LECOM Bradenton Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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Called today after interviewing on the 9th and I have been accepted!!
 
Hey everyone!
So I just got my MCAT score back yesterday and did much worse than I anticipated: 22R (6 VR, 7 PS, 9 BS).
sGPA: 3.65, oaGPA: 3.77
I was a post-bacc student and went to a top university. I am now in a masters program at USF COM as well. I have tons of shadowing, and use to volunteer helping wounded warriors recover in NC. I am wondering if anyone with stats similar to mine have gotten an interview or acceptance yet? I've always been interested in LECOM, but have never been the best standardized test taker.
Any help is appreciated! Thanks.
 
Hey everyone!
So I just got my MCAT score back yesterday and did much worse than I anticipated: 22R (6 VR, 7 PS, 9 BS).
sGPA: 3.65, oaGPA: 3.77
I was a post-bacc student and went to a top university. I am now in a masters program at USF COM as well. I have tons of shadowing, and use to volunteer helping wounded warriors recover in NC. I am wondering if anyone with stats similar to mine have gotten an interview or acceptance yet? I've always been interested in LECOM, but have never been the best standardized test taker.
Any help is appreciated! Thanks.

Everything looks very good but your MCAT score. Your MCAT is low enough that I don't anticipate you getting an invite from Bradenton. I would sign up for a retake. From what I have seen/heard, people generally score better on the tests early in the year so you might consider a Jan. MCAT.
 
Everything looks very good but your MCAT score. Your MCAT is low enough that I don't anticipate you getting an invite from Bradenton. I would sign up for a retake. From what I have seen/heard, people generally score better on the tests early in the year so you might consider a Jan. MCAT.

I was thinking that, but does LECOM consider Jan test scores? I don't anticipate a spectacular score either way. I studied all summer and was shocked to see an MCAT which looked nothing like any AAMC I had ever seen. I heard LECOM wasn't all about MCAT scores, so I was hoping, but I'm not too sure if it's worth a shot now.
 
Everything looks very good but your MCAT score. Your MCAT is low enough that I don't anticipate you getting an invite from Bradenton. I would sign up for a retake. From what I have seen/heard, people generally score better on the tests early in the year so you might consider a Jan. MCAT.

Also, their web site says average MCAT score is a 24 and average GPA is much lower than mine. Is this outdated then? lol
 
Also, their web site says average MCAT score is a 24 and average GPA is much lower than mine. Is this outdated then? lol

I think it is outdated...how much so I do not know. I would say their current MCAT average is at least a 26. If you look at previous posts on this thread some of the current medical students imply this MCAT increase as well. Your GPA's are very good, but I still think you are going to have to find some way to increase that MCAT, at least for Bradenton. Berkely Review and Exam Krackers worked wonders for me.

Fairly good representation of acceptance stats. However, this is a little outdated as well. http://www.doapplicants.com/Pages/Schools/Schools.aspx?mode=2
 
I think it is outdated...how much so I do not know. I would say their current MCAT average is at least a 26. If you look at previous posts on this thread some of the current medical students imply this MCAT increase as well. Your GPA's are very good, but I still think you are going to have to find some way to increase that MCAT, at least for Bradenton. Berkely Review and Exam Krackers worked wonders for me.

Fairly good representation of acceptance stats. However, this is a little outdated as well. http://www.doapplicants.com/Pages/Schools/Schools.aspx?mode=2

Yeah I did TPR, but now I'm working on my Masters so I do not have as much time to dedicate to the MCAT as I did this past summer. So frustrating. I obviously understand the science courses required for the MCAT, or else my GPA would be significantly lower. lol. Maybe it was a fluke MCAT, who knows. I am wondering if LECOM accepts Jan MCATs though. Do you know?
 
Yeah I did TPR, but now I'm working on my Masters so I do not have as much time to dedicate to the MCAT as I did this past summer. So frustrating. I obviously understand the science courses required for the MCAT, or else my GPA would be significantly lower. lol. Maybe it was a fluke MCAT, who knows. I am wondering if LECOM accepts Jan MCATs though. Do you know?

Yes, they do
 
Yes, they do

Thanks. I'm going to call the admissions office tomorrow and let them know I plan on a retake so they don't automatically reject me. I'm hoping they go for this. But Jan scores wont be back until Feb, so that's getting late in the cycle! Oh what a mess lol
 
Thanks. I'm going to call the admissions office tomorrow and let them know I plan on a retake so they don't automatically reject me. I'm hoping they go for this. But Jan scores wont be back until Feb, so that's getting late in the cycle! Oh what a mess lol

Yeah it is late but I would just focus on getting your score up. Best of luck!
 
Thanks. I'm going to call the admissions office tomorrow and let them know I plan on a retake so they don't automatically reject me. I'm hoping they go for this. But Jan scores wont be back until Feb, so that's getting late in the cycle! Oh what a mess lol

My opinion is that the website is out of date. I do not know this for sure, though. It's said the same thing since before I applied...I think my class' average MCAT was closer to a 27-28 although I have no evidence of that other than the handful of scores that I know...

Late isn't always bad. It's worse than early, true...but I have a classmate who applied on the VERY last day apps were open with a 26 MCAT, and got in at the last minute. So, it's possible...not sure about with a 22 though...

I do think it's true that LECOM-B cares somewhat less about scores than about who will be a good fit for PBL, but I don't think that means they don't care. A pretty low MCAT indicates, as you've said, a poor standardized test taker...and that could be a problem at LECOM-B since pretty much all we do is standardized tests.
 
My opinion is that the website is out of date. I do not know this for sure, though. It's said the same thing since before I applied...I think my class' average MCAT was closer to a 27-28 although I have no evidence of that other than the handful of scores that I know...

Late isn't always bad. It's worse than early, true...but I have a classmate who applied on the VERY last day apps were open with a 26 MCAT, and got in at the last minute. So, it's possible...not sure about with a 22 though...

I do think it's true that LECOM-B cares somewhat less about scores than about who will be a good fit for PBL, but I don't think that means they don't care. A pretty low MCAT indicates, as you've said, a poor standardized test taker...and that could be a problem at LECOM-B since pretty much all we do is standardized tests.

I called the admissions office this morning. They informed me that the MCAT cutoff for consideration is a 22 and that they do accept students with 22's - of course I am assuming that this is because these students have spectacular EC's - And I know that mine are certainly not bad, so I am crossing my fingers that my GPA, EC's, and work history is on my side :xf:
Having said that, she informed me that I should indicate on my application that I plan on taking the Jan MCAT, however, they will automatically place me on hold until they receive these scores. So right now I am wondering if I should not indicate it, see what happens, and if they seem like they're going to reject me, then indicate it so then at least I was considered prior to my MCAT. Thoughts?
 
I called the admissions office this morning. They informed me that the MCAT cutoff for consideration is a 22 and that they do accept students with 22's - of course I am assuming that this is because these students have spectacular EC's - And I know that mine are certainly not bad, so I am crossing my fingers that my GPA, EC's, and work history is on my side :xf:
Having said that, she informed me that I should indicate on my application that I plan on taking the Jan MCAT, however, they will automatically place me on hold until they receive these scores. So right now I am wondering if I should not indicate it, see what happens, and if they seem like they're going to reject me, then indicate it so then at least I was considered prior to my MCAT. Thoughts?

I can almost guarantee you will be rejected. Don't roll the dice. just tell them you are taking the Jan test and do a lot better. There are plenty of people in my class that got in after the new year so don't worry about that as long as you can get the score up. I mentioned it a little earlier, but I think i remember ron shively telling us at orientation our avg MCAT was like a 28-29.
 
My status on Portal's been "Your application has been processed and will be sent to the Admissions Committee for further review. You will be notified as soon as a decision has been made." for 2-3 weeks now.

Was really hoping to be able to attend both Nova and Bradenton at the same time (save money on flights) but my Nova interview is coming up 10/4 so I don't think I'll have that opportunity to save some money 😀
 
I think it is outdated...how much so I do not know. I would say their current MCAT average is at least a 26.

I saw a copy of the 2011 US News & World Report "Insider's Guide to Med School" (or whatever) in a bookstore a couple of months ago and looked up LECOM out of curiosity. They don't split up the LECOM branch campuses for their numbers, so there was no separate listing for Bradenton; but they listed LECOM's MCAT averages as 8.9 composite, 8.9 verbal, 8.4 PS, 9.4 BS, O Written. (Does anybody pay attention to the written anymore? Come to think of it, did anyone EVER pay attention to it?) Given that for all the LECOM's, gatorfann's mention of a 28-29 average for Bradenton sounds about right. Average GPA was 3.45, and the overall acceptance rate was 10.3%.

Also, applicants might be interested to hear that (apparently) 3 people from the c/o 2013 failed COMLEX Level 1 as of now, so the 100% 1st-time pass thing didn't happen this year. 152/155 is a 98%-ish 1st time pass rate (assuming everyone else passed), which would still probably put LECOM-B at #1 or #2 in the county, for what that's worth. Before the failing scores came in, the average was ~560 on a test with a national mean of 500 and a std. dev of 50. I'm not sure what it would be now that more scores are in, but last year's average was also 560, and that put Bradenton at #1 in the country by average score. (The number of fails is from rumor and hearsay; the averages come from a Dr. Krueger admin hour powerpoint.)

I'm not trying to convince anyone that PBL is the greatest thing ever, or that LECOM is the best place to go, because PBL is certainly not for everyone. But, to the students who choose to come here, and grind through the first 2 years, it seems to work. Good luck everybody.
 
I called the admissions office this morning. They informed me that the MCAT cutoff for consideration is a 22 and that they do accept students with 22's - of course I am assuming that this is because these students have spectacular EC's - And I know that mine are certainly not bad, so I am crossing my fingers that my GPA, EC's, and work history is on my side :xf:
Having said that, she informed me that I should indicate on my application that I plan on taking the Jan MCAT, however, they will automatically place me on hold until they receive these scores. So right now I am wondering if I should not indicate it, see what happens, and if they seem like they're going to reject me, then indicate it so then at least I was considered prior to my MCAT. Thoughts?

I had a 22 and was basically told not to bother (I applied like day 1) then raised my score to a 25 and still haven't seen much love, although I'm told I'm still being considered. (MCAT is the big weak point in my app) so I would definitely suggest taking the MCAT in Jan to increase your chances. Good luck!
 
I can almost guarantee you will be rejected. Don't roll the dice. just tell them you are taking the Jan test and do a lot better. There are plenty of people in my class that got in after the new year so don't worry about that as long as you can get the score up. I mentioned it a little earlier, but I think i remember ron shively telling us at orientation our avg MCAT was like a 28-29.

I'm going to have to continue to disagree with you unfortunately. Nobody here can guarantee or not guarantee you an interview. I personally know people that had a 24 or less MCAT score and still received an invitation for an interview. What matters about this process is how you feel when you're applying. The average MCAT score may be a 28, but that means people with a 22 are offest by people with a 34 (and yes, there are people with those scores at LECOM).

You have a lot of good ECs, a very nice GPA, and good potential. If you feel that you will do better on your January MCAT, then you are encouraged to take it again. You've already started on the most important track so far: communication. If you do decide to retake it (which it seems you have), I would personally let them know. Continue with the communication, showing them you're interested. Ask them if there is anything else you can do to boost your application.

The last, and also important, note is to remain positive. This process is grueling. Keep your spirits up as best as possible and keep a clear head. Good luck on your interviews and have a wonderful day.
 
I really like LECOM - Bradenton and I've been accepted. I am still interviewing at other schools and trying to decide which one is best for me. The tuition at LECOM is great as is the location, and the PBL curriculum is a plus.

My concern about LECOM is the pace of reading. I think I am somewhat of a slow reader, as I like to sit back and reflect on what I read, take breaks, etc. To a current student, on average how many chapters do you read a day? How many chapters are you responsible for in a given time period?
 
I really like LECOM - Bradenton and I've been accepted. I am still interviewing at other schools and trying to decide which one is best for me. The tuition at LECOM is great as is the location, and the PBL curriculum is a plus.

My concern about LECOM is the pace of reading. I think I am somewhat of a slow reader, as I like to sit back and reflect on what I read, take breaks, etc. To a current student, on average how many chapters do you read a day? How many chapters are you responsible for in a given time period?

It can vary even between students in the same class how much you are tested on. but the norm that people keep telling us is like 20ish chapters per pbl test. That seems like a lot, until you start school and then nothing really seems like a lot. its more than you have ever done no matter where you go. The reading loads seems like a lot compared to other schools until you realize you have 6 hours of pbl per week and only about 2 more for omm (there is also random stuff at random times). The rest is yours to read and learn instead of sitting in a lecture hall.
 
I really like LECOM - Bradenton and I've been accepted. I am still interviewing at other schools and trying to decide which one is best for me. The tuition at LECOM is great as is the location, and the PBL curriculum is a plus.

My concern about LECOM is the pace of reading. I think I am somewhat of a slow reader, as I like to sit back and reflect on what I read, take breaks, etc. To a current student, on average how many chapters do you read a day? How many chapters are you responsible for in a given time period?

PBL definitely seems daunting, but it ramps up (somewhat) gradually. You first semester will end with you doing about twenty chapters per exam. It may sound like a lot, but you pick chapters to read before each new PBL session. You have about 5-7 days between the final PBL session of a block and the exam, which gives you plenty of time to re-read your twenty chapters.

After the first semester, the ramp up begins. By the time your last semester has arrived (the end of your second year), you will be tested on approximately 50-60 chapters per exam, depending on how motivated your group is. My groups tended to be those with the higher number of chapters on their test. The reason behind this is because if your group does not select a chapter, then it is your personal responsibility to read it at least once at some point during your education. We felt that by choosing a chapter it would force us to focus on it more diligently and thereby help our COMLEX I scores. Oh, and yes, we had a 100% pass rate.

I will stress to you again that PBL is not for everyone. I know my share of people in my class that struggled with it mightily, especially in the early goings. It takes tremendous time management and self-control. Sure you can go to the beach and read! Sounds wonderful. However, you need to read what you planned to read. Maybe you decide not to this one time. Okay, that's fine. Just don't make it a habit where you go to the beach with the intent to read every single day and end up goofing off.

I guess I sounded like a father just then, but it's the best advice I have. Trust me, there is plenty of time to have fun, take a weekend trip to Disney, and sleep late. Just do not forget to get your studying done in a timely fashion.
 
BCL is right. I'd only add that some people are very slow readers, but are able to only read the material once and learn it well. Others are faster and have to read it 3 times. Others are fast and read it once (I hate these people...grrr).

Your rate of memorization matters more than your rate of reading.
 
PBL definitely seems daunting, but it ramps up (somewhat) gradually. You first semester will end with you doing about twenty chapters per exam. It may sound like a lot, but you pick chapters to read before each new PBL session. You have about 5-7 days between the final PBL session of a block and the exam, which gives you plenty of time to re-read your twenty chapters.

After the first semester, the ramp up begins. By the time your last semester has arrived (the end of your second year), you will be tested on approximately 50-60 chapters per exam, depending on how motivated your group is. My groups tended to be those with the higher number of chapters on their test. The reason behind this is because if your group does not select a chapter, then it is your personal responsibility to read it at least once at some point during your education. We felt that by choosing a chapter it would force us to focus on it more diligently and thereby help our COMLEX I scores. Oh, and yes, we had a 100% pass rate.

I will stress to you again that PBL is not for everyone. I know my share of people in my class that struggled with it mightily, especially in the early goings. It takes tremendous time management and self-control. Sure you can go to the beach and read! Sounds wonderful. However, you need to read what you planned to read. Maybe you decide not to this one time. Okay, that's fine. Just don't make it a habit where you go to the beach with the intent to read every single day and end up goofing off.

I guess I sounded like a father just then, but it's the best advice I have. Trust me, there is plenty of time to have fun, take a weekend trip to Disney, and sleep late. Just do not forget to get your studying done in a timely fashion.

Holy crap, people have been giving us first years a load of BS when it comes to the workload then!
 
I'm going to have to continue to disagree with you unfortunately. Nobody here can guarantee or not guarantee you an interview. I personally know people that had a 24 or less MCAT score and still received an invitation for an interview. What matters about this process is how you feel when you're applying. The average MCAT score may be a 28, but that means people with a 22 are offest by people with a 34 (and yes, there are people with those scores at LECOM).

You have a lot of good ECs, a very nice GPA, and good potential. If you feel that you will do better on your January MCAT, then you are encouraged to take it again. You've already started on the most important track so far: communication. If you do decide to retake it (which it seems you have), I would personally let them know. Continue with the communication, showing them you're interested. Ask them if there is anything else you can do to boost your application.

The last, and also important, note is to remain positive. This process is grueling. Keep your spirits up as best as possible and keep a clear head. Good luck on your interviews and have a wonderful day.

Maybe i should have rephrased. I personally know someone with a 24ish score that is in my class, but the question was whether to wait or push on now. and i think that trying with a 22 is pretty stupid if you feel you can raise it by studying for a few more months. The odds will be abysmal if you apply now with a 22 compared to january with a 26+.
 
Maybe i should have rephrased. I personally know someone with a 24ish score that is in my class, but the question was whether to wait or push on now. and i think that trying with a 22 is pretty stupid if you feel you can raise it by studying for a few more months. The odds will be abysmal if you apply now with a 22 compared to january with a 26+.

Agreed ^_^
 
Holy crap, people have been giving us first years a load of BS when it comes to the workload then!

Keep in mind that of those 50 chapters, you've been tested on many of them before. It's not uncommon during 2nd year to pick ALL of the cardiac phys chapters, and theres a bunch of them, for a cardiac case. If you have a heart case, a GI case, and an endocrine case, you could EASILY wind up with 20-30 physiology chapters you've read 3 or 4 times before. There is a good amount of repetition. I think I was tested on HTN drugs about 20 times, hahaha.
 
Honestly, I think I fall on the slow reader side of the curve and I did just fine. I certainly wasn't able to get through everything several times, but a good read through the first time and then going back at least once to review it is enough if you can synthesize material that way.

I knew some who could get through each chapter multiple times but that definitely wasn't me. Biggest thing is just staying accountable and not getting behind. It is a ton of material but you also have a LOT of free study time so if you can budget your time well you shouldn't have a problem.

Having a few close friends who you can study with and keep you accountable also helps.
 
BCL is right. I'd only add that some people are very slow readers, but are able to only read the material once and learn it well. Others are faster and have to read it 3 times. Others are fast and read it once (I hate these people...grrr).

Your rate of memorization matters more than your rate of reading.

So are the chapters you will be tested on clearly stated? Are there guidelines as to what material you should know for the test? From what I understand about PBL, the chapters tested on are relevant to the cases presented and dependent on which chapters each group chooses.

One reason I am strongly considering LECOM is that for the MCAT I had to teach myself all the basic sciences, as I was not prepared at all by my professors. I read all 120 chapters worth of basic science textbooks for that exam. No prep course. But what I did know was what would be on the MCAT. I knew the chapters to learn and what concepts to make sure I took away.
 
So are the chapters you will be tested on clearly stated? Are there guidelines as to what material you should know for the test? From what I understand about PBL, the chapters tested on are relevant to the cases presented and dependent on which chapters each group chooses.

One reason I am strongly considering LECOM is that for the MCAT I had to teach myself all the basic sciences, as I was not prepared at all by my professors. I read all 120 chapters worth of basic science textbooks for that exam. No prep course. But what I did know was what would be on the MCAT. I knew the chapters to learn and what concepts to make sure I took away.

The chapters are 100% clearly known because YOU pick them. That's right. Each group has their own test made up of the chapters that they choose. There are often assigned chapters that are usually sent out in an email at the start of the semester for a given block as well. The best example would be the following:

  • Group A and B start the first case of the block. The case deals with a female with a pulmonary embolism.
  • Group A decides to read two chapters of pulmonary physiology, one chapter of pulmonary pathology, and one chapter of lung histology.
  • Group B decides to read four chapters of pulmonary physiology, one chapter of thorax anatomy, and one chapter on the pharmacology of thrombolytics.
  • Groups A and B both decide to add all read chapters to their tests.
The thing is, just because you pick it as a reading/learning issue does not mean your group will choose it as a test topic. An example of this would be the following:

  • Group A and B start the first case of the block. The case deals with a female with a pulmonary embolism.
  • Group A decides to read two chapters of pulmonary physiology, one chapter of pulmonary pathology, and one chapter of lung histology.
  • Group B decides to read four chapters of pulmonary physiology, one chapter of thorax anatomy, and one chapter on the pharmacology of thrombolytics.
  • Group A decides to add all read chapters to their test.
  • Group B decides to add two chapters of pulmonary physiology and one chapter on the pharmacology of thrombolytics to their test.
The two physiology chapters that Group A picked may or may not be the same as Group B. Each case has chapters that are recommended being picked, but are never explicitly stated by the faculty. You will find out from your classmates what chapters they are choosing and might possibly encourage your group to also consider those in your reading. Or not. You will have to see.
 
I do want to add that sometimes "phantom chapters" appear on your test, particularly near the end of your second year. Should this happen, simply bring this up to the PBL coordinator/director and ask for some clarity into the issue. Most often it was an accident that occurred in the process of making twenty individual tests.

Does this answer your question?
 
Just curious--is anyone interviewing here this coming Friday (09/23)? I'm staying until Saturday (noon-ish) so if anyone wanted to grab dinner after the interview or go frolic at the beach (if the thunderstorms don't end up happening), some company would be nice!
 
I think I may drive from Fayetteville, Ar. Twenty hours!! lol
 
Interview invite today! I'll be there Oct. 3rd... if I don't have to reschedule.

Problem: I don't have a DO letter yet. :smack: I really don't know how I'll be able to get one between now and October 3rd. Did everyone get letters from people they shadowed or worked with? I have a friend of the family who is a DO. Would it be in bad taste to ask them for the letter, and submit that letter? (Sorry if this question has been asked before)

Has anyone interviewed before they had the letter in?
 
Interview invite today! I'll be there Oct. 3rd... if I don't have to reschedule.

Problem: I don't have a DO letter yet. :smack: I really don't know how I'll be able to get one between now and October 3rd. Did everyone get letters from people they shadowed or worked with? I have a friend of the family who is a DO. Would it be in bad taste to ask them for the letter, and submit that letter? (Sorry if this question has been asked before)

Has anyone interviewed before they had the letter in?
I interviewed at Bradenton without a DO letter. Talk to Annette about finding you one of their DO faculty that you can sit down with after your interview. The faculty have a special form that they fill out after talking with you, and they will accept that as a DO letter. There were three people in my interview group that did this.
 
I interviewed at Bradenton without a DO letter. Talk to Annette about finding you one of their DO faculty that you can sit down with after your interview. The faculty have a special form that they fill out after talking with you, and they will accept that as a DO letter. There were three people in my interview group that did this.

Great, thanks! 🙂

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Interview invite today! I'll be there Oct. 3rd... if I don't have to reschedule.

Problem: I don't have a DO letter yet. :smack: I really don't know how I'll be able to get one between now and October 3rd. Did everyone get letters from people they shadowed or worked with? I have a friend of the family who is a DO. Would it be in bad taste to ask them for the letter, and submit that letter? (Sorry if this question has been asked before)

Has anyone interviewed before they had the letter in?

See ya October 3rd! Where are you staying?
 
Just got my interview invite today (this is my second interview). The interview is scheduled for 11/07/2011. Very excited to see the school!
 
Hi all, just got an interview invite for November. I had a question regarding letters though. My school has already compiled a Committee Letter/Packet and I already have a DO letter, but LECOM seems to want specific things addressed in the LORs. Have you all/will you all get these letters rewritten specific to LECOM?

Thanks!
 
Econo lodge, haha...cheapest I could find since my flight was almost 400 and renting a car is gonna be a small fortune too

The Econo Lodge isn't actually that bad, for an Econo Lodge. I've stayed there before (the night before school started, because my house wasn't ready until the next day).

I stayed at the Hampton Inn (in Ellenton) for my own interview and it worked out fine, although it's a bit farther away.

I'd recommend checking the Wingate on SR-70 right next to I-75. Probably the best combination of location and price. Very, very close to school, and no chance of traffic interfering with your travel to the interview.
 
Econo lodge, haha...cheapest I could find since my flight was almost 400 and renting a car is gonna be a small fortune too


Econolodge was awesome. Older, but clean and family owned.
 
Hi all, just got an interview invite for November. I had a question regarding letters though. My school has already compiled a Committee Letter/Packet and I already have a DO letter, but LECOM seems to want specific things addressed in the LORs. Have you all/will you all get these letters rewritten specific to LECOM?

Thanks!

I am not sure my LORs specifically addressed everything in their request list. However, I do know I got an interview. Subsequently, I got an acceptance. Which leads me to my other comment.

I just declined my acceptance to LECOM Bradenton so there is a spot open. Good luck everyone!
 
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