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JaggedJimmyJay said:
I'm going to leave you alone for the time being. If you're not the answer to this game, then I am at a bit of a loss about how to proceed. So perhaps you can help me (and the rest of us) out. As it happens, you do enjoy one significant advantage. You're the only player in the game that doesn't have to solve sheltermed. Let that give you a new view of this thread and the directions it is going. Any instinct, insight, or hunch you might feel in your bones, please share it and I will listen.
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I agree with this entirely
Shelter, you’ve said you want us to tell you who to shoot.
What’s your read on the game?
What do you think we should do?
 
SARdoghandler said:
Unless they were hoping we were going to take way longer to eliminate the cult leader than we did
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It could go even longer without saying anything at all. I never claimed an attempt on stoat's life, even when she did as much for me, to reduce my spotlight time.
 
WildZoo said:
You came back!
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gonna go to bed
but a strong feeling ive had through a lot of the game is that i have been sold a narrative lie in how to regard the game. Most of the suspects pushed have been people in the general consensus of "who should be pushed". A majority of those flipped town. A minority have flipped 3p and cult.

During D1 and D2 I was told, when hunting, that this is most likely a non-wolf/scum game. Which kinda discouraged me to hunt further. If there are no scum then I have no motivation to solve.

And here I am, and we are all sure that Shelter is scum. I cannot help but feel that something is wrong and that the thread narrative is wonky. I was surprised that peeps like JJJ and someone else I dont remember called Stagg wolf in the midst of me declaring him town. When Stagg's play is stereotypically villager. Perhaps I am weary from being gaslit through the whole D2 for my play, so perhaps I am just seeing ghosts, but I dont really trust what's going on in this game. At the same time I do not have the power or motivation to do a deep dive.

So if Shelter flips wolf/scum. Awesome. Then this is just silliness. If Shelter flips town, I strongly believe that at least 1 of Samac and JJJ is scum. I know I was mocked for this thought process yesterday when I explained why I targeted Dubz, but that only reinforces my belief, and I am rarely wrong on my thread state analysises tbh.

so uh, goodnight tbh, and godspeed tbh
 
Boquise said:
gonna go to bed
but a strong feeling ive had through a lot of the game is that i have been sold a narrative lie in how to regard the game. Most of the suspects pushed have been people in the general consensus of "who should be pushed". A majority of those flipped town. A minority have flipped 3p and cult.

During D1 and D2 I was told, when hunting, that this is most likely a non-wolf/scum game. Which kinda discouraged me to hunt further. If there are no scum then I have no motivation to solve.

And here I am, and we are all sure that Shelter is scum. I cannot help but feel that something is wrong and that the thread narrative is wonky. I was surprised that peeps like JJJ and someone else I dont remember called Stagg wolf in the midst of me declaring him town. When Stagg's play is stereotypically villager. Perhaps I am weary from being gaslit through the whole D2 for my play, so perhaps I am just seeing ghosts, but I dont really trust what's going on in this game. At the same time I do not have the power or motivation to do a deep dive.

So if Shelter flips wolf/scum. Awesome. Then this is just silliness. If Shelter flips town, I strongly believe that at least 1 of Samac and JJJ is scum. I know I was mocked for this thought process yesterday when I explained why I targeted Dubz, but that only reinforces my belief, and I am rarely wrong on my thread state analysises tbh.

so uh, goodnight tbh, and godspeed tbh
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I don’t fault you for any of this, but I want to ensure I am not misunderstood:

My confidence that sheltermed is anti-town is not very high. This game is goofy, and I don’t really know what to do with it.
 
I mean if you wanna kill me go for it. I'm exhausted and I think clem looks worse than shelter tbh

If you read my posts you'll see I claimed village (not town) early into the town v village and have kept all my actions pro village.
 
samac said:
If she is it’s santy lol
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If you actually think me as a wolf would think that forfeiting nk actions would be a good strat as a wolf Im going to be offended smh.

Like n1 mkg and n2 mayo??? And not go for the ol reliable n1 samac that never fails???? Unthinkable you are grasping at straws here Samac
 
He had other reads / pms and was still voting for me with 0 explanation. Die die die.
You need to die for being on my ass on a freebie way. Repent for yours sins
 
Santygrass said:
If you actually think me as a wolf would think that forfeiting nk actions would be a good strat as a wolf Im going to be offended smh.

Like n1 mkg and n2 mayo??? And not go for the ol reliable n1 samac that never fails???? Unthinkable you are grasping at straws here Samac
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Notice the lol and the next post. No fake outrage needed santy.
 
Decie Samac. You either back down your argument or double down. You are doing both there
 
Mechanic wise , I think shelter fits the best as Serial Killer.

Reads wise shelter feel alone. They could be SK? Yeah, if they are playing a very bad game and just let the village ruin it, and if they are they have no hope of winning. We yeet them either today or tomorrow, its the same.

Clem instead was far more sketchy and in my head fits most for a chaos role, so idk. Im going to leave my yeet vote there and we can see later
 
Santygrass said:
Decie Samac. You either back down your argument or double down. You are doing both there
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Santy are you kidding me
I said within like 30 seconds IF she’s paired it’s you
But I don’t think she’s paired. There’s no double down or backing up Jesus Christ
 
Also I share a bit of the bad feeling of boq. Samac seems tunneled, but Jay feels a little using semantica and trying to paint shelter in a bad light / bolstering what samac is misindurstanding , in regards to the whole argument of /shelter explaining why samac outrage/being scared that they will be killed makes no sense/ shelter is being logical about it, and it felt a bit scummy the "aha you are thinking that we are going to yeet you, scummy! "


And I dont care what happened with shorty on HZD or whatever. We still have them on a leash and we dont think they are villa vig 100% , we have them as a tool to clean the other more sus people first. If they arent, we kill them and thats it. Its cleaning the PoE in optimal way
 
samac said:
Santy are you kidding me
I said within like 30 seconds IF she’s paired it’s you
But I don’t think she’s paired. There’s no double down or backing up Jesus Christ
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Saying you were not that serious is you backing down.

Saying it was a fake outrage, implies I am faking out my arguments/how I feel, so thats you doubling down in your dirt throw
 
I’m in a tunnel and santy is in the deepest pocket tbh

God I don’t know the last time I hoped this much I was right.
But I’m there
 
Worst part is that I believe you are neutral and are not scum, you are firmly believing your view and read of shelter.

I disagree in some tonal reads you made (like, opposite in some parts) but from mechanical-wise we CANT let shelter reach endgame. So sooner lr later we have to take care of them .

Personally I think Clem has more merit reads wise to be yeeted than shelter, and there is that. But Im going to double voice the akward feeling of JJJ bolstering you a bit in the wrong direction/piling up on shelter.

But maybe the skill issue is on me!
 
I have no reason to call Clem town. If I pretend mechanics just completely don’t exist, I’d vote for him. Maybe that’s the right approach. It doesn’t seem right, but this game makes no sense.

So. Whatever
 
Santygrass said:
Worst part is that I believe you are neutral and are not scum, you are firmly believing your view and read of shelter.

I disagree in some tonal reads you made (like, opposite in some parts) but from mechanical-wise we CANT let shelter reach endgame. So sooner lr later we have to take care of them .

Personally I think Clem has more merit reads wise to be yeeted than shelter, and there is that. But Im going to double voice the akward feeling of JJJ bolstering you a bit in the wrong direction/piling up on shelter.

But maybe the skill issue is on me!
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I mean you seem to grasp my logic, so what’s the problem?
 
If a set-up is well designed, mech should **** up and punish the players that only rely in them. That is probably the motto of mafialandia/fanficslandia.

Mech is a tool to help you find the scum and not something you can ignore, but the scum reads and feelings are first for me. Specially now that we are in a good position.

We still win if shelter is the only scum left and yeet clem first and viceversa. But I'd feel bettwr if we win by yeeting scum!clem and rewarding shelter for pro-villa play
 
Santygrass said:
If a set-up is well designed, mech should **** up and punish the players that only rely in them. That is probably the motto of mafialandia/fanficslandia.

Mech is a tool to help you find the scum and not something you can ignore, but the scum reads and feelings are first for me. Specially now that we are in a good position.

We still win if shelter is the only scum left and yeet clem first and viceversa. But I'd feel bettwr if we win by yeeting scum!clem and rewarding shelter for pro-villa play
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I agree with all of that. I just feel like we actually are ignoring mechanics lol. Like straight up ignoring them.

Clem is scummy, and I have zero investment in keeping him alive. I just don’t understand the logic.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I agree with all of that. I just feel like we actually are ignoring mechanics lol. Like straight up ignoring them.

Clem is scummy, and I have zero investment in keeping him alive. I just don’t understand the logic.
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I also feel like it’s straight up ignoring mechanics in a slot I read as wolf early game despite the mechanics
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I mean you seem to grasp my logic, so what’s the problem?
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Samac is yelling that shelter is going to kill them as an argument to yeet them today, asap.

Shelter presented an argument which was right that even if they assume for them to be scum the argument makes no sense. Like, showing where the flawed logic is totally fair? Idk.

And like I said, if shelter is a SK they totally are throwing with their nk targets. I think their outburst were somewhat villagey. So even if by mech I think they shouldnt leave the PoE , I wouldnt go there first never.

And mechanically is still better to use the kill of shelter, no matter if they are scum or villa its worth for us.

The only world in where yeeting shelter is +ev for us, is the world in where shelter is the only scum left alive and we win by doing that. Doing a safe move taking into account other worlds I still feel like is better?
 
Santygrass said:
Samac is yelling that shelter is going to kill them as an argument to yeet them today, asap.

Shelter presented an argument which was right that even if they assume for them to be scum the argument makes no sense. Like, showing where the flawed logic is totally fair? Idk.

And like I said, if shelter is a SK they totally are throwing with their nk targets. I think their outburst were somewhat villagey. So even if by mech I think they shouldnt leave the PoE , I wouldnt go there first never.

And mechanically is still better to use the kill of shelter, no matter if they are scum or villa its worth for us.

The only world in where yeeting shelter is +ev for us, is the world in where shelter is the only scum left alive and we win by doing that. Doing a safe move taking into account other worlds I still feel like is better?
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I think the game will end today. I think them killing me is a secondary point.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I agree with all of that. I just feel like we actually are ignoring mechanics lol. Like straight up ignoring them.

Clem is scummy, and I have zero investment in keeping him alive. I just don’t understand the logic.
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It is a game with no nightkill , so having villa be kp heavy is to be expected.

I think it may be possible still that the scum remaining is something evil with no kp . The last can also be phasing wolf or whatever, there are a lot of worlds and y'all are closing only in the. World in where yeeting the leashed scum wins and not others while also ignoring another slot that was more scummy on thread
 
Santygrass said:
Samac is yelling that shelter is going to kill them as an argument to yeet them today, asap.

Shelter presented an argument which was right that even if they assume for them to be scum the argument makes no sense. Like, showing where the flawed logic is totally fair? Idk.

And like I said, if shelter is a SK they totally are throwing with their nk targets. I think their outburst were somewhat villagey. So even if by mech I think they shouldnt leave the PoE , I wouldnt go there first never.

And mechanically is still better to use the kill of shelter, no matter if they are scum or villa its worth for us.

The only world in where yeeting shelter is +ev for us, is the world in where shelter is the only scum left alive and we win by doing that. Doing a safe move taking into account other worlds I still feel like is better?
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Santy, I want the game to end and not leave the SK alive to continue to kill for us.
 
Santygrass said:
Samac is yelling that shelter is going to kill them as an argument to yeet them today, asap.

Shelter presented an argument which was right that even if they assume for them to be scum the argument makes no sense. Like, showing where the flawed logic is totally fair? Idk.

And like I said, if shelter is a SK they totally are throwing with their nk targets. I think their outburst were somewhat villagey. So even if by mech I think they shouldnt leave the PoE , I wouldnt go there first never.

And mechanically is still better to use the kill of shelter, no matter if they are scum or villa its worth for us.

The only world in where yeeting shelter is +ev for us, is the world in where shelter is the only scum left alive and we win by doing that. Doing a safe move taking into account other worlds I still feel like is better?
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I think the red part is where your argument veers from logical to hopeful.

But we're splitting hairs here. If killing either one doesn't end the game they both have to go. Whatever.
 
Santygrass said:
It is a game with no nightkill , so having villa be kp heavy is to be expected.

I think it may be possible still that the scum remaining is something evil with no kp . The last can also be phasing wolf or whatever, there are a lot of worlds and y'all are closing only in the. World in where yeeting the leashed scum wins and not others while also ignoring another slot that was more scummy on thread
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Kill the leashed scum. Put her out of her misery.

I’ll stop engaging with this though because we’re never going to see eye to eye on this. I want the game to end and for village and me and my partner to win. That’s my goal.
 
Santygrass said:
It is a game with no nightkill , so having villa be kp heavy is to be expected.

I think it may be possible still that the scum remaining is something evil with no kp . The last can also be phasing wolf or whatever, there are a lot of worlds and y'all are closing only in the. World in where yeeting the leashed scum wins and not others while also ignoring another slot that was more scummy on thread
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It's possible there are just non-killing evils I have never heard of. That's a big hangup for me, because beyond cults I don't know what that would be. I tend to focus my playing efforts in standard games though, so in the out there realm of creative game/role design, there are probably things I don't know about. I'm not even sure what a phasing wolf is, for example.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I think the red part is where your argument veers from logical to hopeful.

But we're splitting hairs here. If killing either one doesn't end the game they both have to go. Whatever.
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They cant kill a slot that is not PoE for us. If they veer away, instayeet and we win . So unless having 1 more night will allow shelter to win its still logical?
 
Santygrass said:
Me: "I dont care either way"

Also me: *Writes a lot of text*


Man I have no self control
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I'm doing the same thing. It may not matter that much, but we'd be merited to at least argue our cases. There is technically a best practice here, whatever that might be.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
It's possible there are just non-killing evils I have never heard of. That's a big hangup for me, because beyond cults I don't know what that would be. I tend to focus my playing efforts in standard games though, so in the out there realm of creative game/role design, there are probably things I don't know about. I'm not even sure what a phasing wolf is, for example.
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It's something that makes me angery.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
It's possible there are just non-killing evils I have never heard of. That's a big hangup for me, because beyond cults I don't know what that would be. I tend to focus my playing efforts in standard games though, so in the out there realm of creative game/role design, there are probably things I don't know about. I'm not even sure what a phasing wolf is, for example.
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Phasing is f.e. odd phasess you are town, even phases you are wolf.

Crazy stuff like that.

But yeah I feel like we are going in circles a bit and discussing a lot about something that I think will have little impact on the way we do it. Its just more my minmaxing brain trying to play the most optimally possible
 
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