MaWWke YoWWr OWWn WW - Game Thread

[Santygrass]

*wills it into existence?*

@Zenge142

*Puppy eyes*

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[samac]

But for now we are masoning

Real masons are better

 

[Santygrass]

Haters gonna hate

 

[Stagg737]

Yes, if only that he did not contribute much to the overall gameplay besides defending himself from your jabs (and jokingly advocating for mayor twice without any true substance). When someone suggested your behavior was typical village, he suggested you as 3P instead. And then said he was "minimally concerned" about you either way. Not enough substance to put him wolfy territory but enough that I'm keeping an eye on it.

There has been substance to my mayor campaign in the first post. I’m the best for mayor, in case it needs to be said again.

This also doesn't make me feel comfy. If someone's town read is consistent (e.g. accurate, reliable) then it holds the same power as someone's consistent wolf read. ID'ing someone as town accurately does not correlate to potentially misreading them as a wolf.

This is statistically incorrect. A false positive town read is far worse than having near perfect sensitivity with good specificity for detecting a wolf. I’m using these terms with their definition in statistics. What you’re saying is the same thing are actually 2 very different concepts.

 

[Santygrass]

Can you remind me why you are the best mayor stagg?

 

[WildZoo]

I think my SDN town trope has been “okay reads but one wrong green” — if I’ve already fulfilled that trope, please point me to my wrong town read. Please and thanks.

Hay that's my thing too. The wolf in the greens, every time.

 

[WildZoo]

We can establish that the mafia are super lame if they immediately kill AM or shorty.

Guess they’ll just have to kill me.

Nah they can kill me

 

[samac]

Wait is mayor vote gonna close while im
At Dave and busters? Gg shorty

 

[supershorty]

Wait is mayor vote gonna close while im
At Dave and busters? Gg shorty

Get spinach artichoke dip

 

[Santygrass]

Move that chaos to the far left and you’re correct for CYO.


Did we also play that game where Sporty and Clem were dual SKs?

I had this quote saved wowee. Yes we did ! I remember I had the goted self confirming role so I was playing in full sass mode

 

[supershorty]

I had this quote saved wowee. Yes we did ! I remember I had the goted self confirming role so I was playing in full sass mode

I like Sassygrass

 

[Santygrass]

Unvote JJJ
Vote supershorty


Mason power yesyes. @Zenge142 pinging for reference

 

[WildZoo]

Wrong! When we are both Villa you always shone in my eyes, SPARKLING AND DAZZLING dubz to the rescue

You're precious

 

[Stagg737]

At first I read this as shouldn’t forget to CRAP

That too. Equally as important or more unless you’ve got an osteotomy bag…

 

[Stagg737]

I'm gonna be honest I gave up around page 22. So here are reads, not ordered within blocks:

Villagey lean: AM, Clem, genny, samac, SAR
Neutral/potential 3p/I'm not sure either way: PSV, Boq, shorty
Sussy lean: dyachei, Dubz, Stagg, JJJ, mkg, mayo
Who are you/I haven't seen enough posts: sheltermed, Veggie, marmot, Dina, Nate

Mostly on vibes. Yeah, I know.


No particular comment, just wanted to highlight this for my reference.

Why are Genny and Clem village leans?

ETA: I should read the next post before I quote asking questions. Will I? Probably not. Please disregard this if you answered. If not: *question intensifies*

 

[samac]

Why are Genny and Clem village leans?

ETA: I should read the next post before I quote asking questions. Will I? Probably not. Please disregard this if you answered. If not: *question intensifies*

Why are those the 2 you asked about?

 

[Zenge142]

Day 0 Electoral Tally:

shorty (10) - shorty, AM, Dubz, Dina, Chic, PSV, shelter, Veggie, Boq, Santy
mkg (1) - mkg
SAR/Penaut (3) - SAR, genny, Samac
Stagg (1) - Stagg
AM (2) - JJJ, Dy
Dubz () -
JJJ () -
Samac () -

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Kinda.

Floaty and present, but not quite doing things.

Would you say that's outside of my village meta?

 

[Santygrass]

Would you say that's outside of my village meta?

Im not JJJ. But I'd say while its not outside of your village meta, its far from the core of your village meta so its something worth to keep in mind

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Would you say that's outside of my village meta?

I don’t feel entirely qualified to speak of your village meta, but I don’t recall seeing it before.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Hello friends. I'm home and settling in by the fireplace with some pizza and a nice hard cider. It's unlikely that I'll read everything that's happened so far, but if there's anything or anyone I should pay special attention to, please let me know.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I originally had the idea to roleplay as a choose your own adventure book, but idk

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello friends. I'm home and settling in by the fireplace with some pizza and a nice hard cider. It's unlikely that I'll read everything that's happened so far, but if there's anything or anyone I should pay special attention to, please let me know.

I'd appreciate your perspective(s) on PSV and/or Dubz. And a slice of pizza.

 

[chicandtoughness]

This is statistically incorrect. A false positive town read is far worse than having near perfect sensitivity with good specificity for detecting a wolf. I’m using these terms with their definition in statistics. What you’re saying is the same thing are actually 2 very different concepts.

Your original post stated it is more important to get a true positive on a wolf read than the possibility of a false positive town read.

shorty was suggesting was that AM has a reliable track record of a true positive town read on her.

My "hmm" was that there was a skip in thought process there where you essentially cautioned against AM making a false positive town read, which is good advice and true, but the point being made at the moment was the chance of true positive town reads.

My statement was if you had a high chance of a true positive town read, that bears equal significance to me as a high chance of a true positive wolf read. Statistically, that may be different; I don't remember enough about probability from my class 12 years ago sob. Strategically for a game of mafia, let's assume you could know with 100% certainty whether someone was village or wolf - those are two equivalently significant indicators in my eyes. That's was the main point I was trying to make.

Now, I do agree with you that a false positive town read is the worst case scenario in any of these.

 

[chicandtoughness]

I'd appreciate your perspective(s) on PSV and/or Dubz. And a slice of pizza.

Why those two, what happened to your sus on me?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why those two, what happened to your sus on me?

Those two plus you were the "orange" names on my list. That's still pretty much the case, though I continue to think over it all without necessarily posting. I've already talked with you and asked people about you, and you've had enough time in this thread hearing how suspicious you are. I'd like for you to be able to play on your own terms without more of that, at least for now. So I asked Nate about the others.

 

[NateTheLesser]

I'd appreciate your perspective(s) on PSV and/or Dubz. And a slice of pizza.

I saw you described PSV as "floaty", what's your concern with Dubz?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I saw you described PSV as "floaty", what's your concern with Dubz?

Mostly the same thing, albeit with a more active flare (and perhaps more concrete meta in Dubz' case that it might be a problem). They're almost the same slot in my head right now.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I don’t feel entirely qualified to speak of your village meta, but I don’t recall seeing it before.

How would you compare it to the beginning of Stardew 2?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How would you compare it to the beginning of Stardew 2?

I don't recall and will need to look. I wasn't paying much attention to nuance in that game, because it was solved when I opened my role PM. 😎

 

[VeggieTrex]

I still exist. Turns out only having 2 doctors on a Sunday is a bad idea, who knew.

I do not have much brain still, and I still have things to do tonight still.

 

[sheltermed]

Hello friends. I'm home and settling in by the fireplace with some pizza and a nice hard cider. It's unlikely that I'll read everything that's happened so far, but if there's anything or anyone I should pay special attention to, please let me know.

Have you ever played with chicandtoughness? If so, would be interested in hearing your thoughts about them. I haven't. I get real wishy washy vibes from them.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How would you compare it to the beginning of Stardew 2?

I just went and looked over it. To be clear I opened your ISO and looked at your posts, so I don't have full context, but I would compare Stardeww 2 PSV to current PSV as follows:

Similarity - both versions of PSV were generally uninvolved with Day 0 game solving. StardeWW 2 was a bit more engaged in this way, but still generally muted.

Difference - StardeWW 2 PSV was quite invested in the mayoral election (you made numerous posts about the merits of possible mayor votes and seemed to dedicate a lot of your energy to finding the best vote), and this version does not seem so. For example:

Elect shorty
why not

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I just went and looked over it. To be clear I opened your ISO and looked at your posts, so I don't have full context, but I would compare Stardeww 2 PSV to current PSV as follows:

Similarity - both versions of PSV were generally uninvolved with Day 0 game solving. StardeWW 2 was a bit more engaged in this way, but still generally muted.

Difference - StardeWW 2 PSV was quite invested in the mayoral election (you made numerous posts about the merits of possible mayor votes and seemed to dedicate a lot of your energy to finding the best vote), and this version does not seem so. For example:

I appreciate you looking at it. I agree with your assessment.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I appreciate you looking at it. I agree with your assessment.

Did this help you evaluate JJJ any?

 

[Stagg737]

Can you remind me why you are the best mayor stagg?

Because I am the best for mayor. Also I’ve never been mayor. But mostly because I’m the best.

Why are those the 2 you asked about?

Because I’m curious how anyone is placing them in the village pile given their limited posts so far.

Your original post stated it is more important to get a true positive on a wolf read than the possibility of a false positive town read.

shorty was suggesting was that AM has a reliable track record of a true positive town read on her.

My "hmm" was that there was a skip in thought process there where you essentially cautioned against AM making a false positive town read, which is good advice and true, but the point being made at the moment was the chance of true positive town reads.

My statement was if you had a high chance of a true positive town read, that bears equal significance to me as a high chance of a true positive wolf read. Statistically, that may be different; I don't remember enough about probability from my class 12 years ago sob. Strategically for a game of mafia, let's assume you could know with 100% certainty whether someone was village or wolf - those are two equivalently significant indicators in my eyes. That's was the main point I was trying to make.

Now, I do agree with you that a false positive town read is the worst case scenario in any of these.

Mostly true, but a 100% true positive town read and a 0% true wolf read are not mutually exclusive. Like you said, a false positive town read is the worst scenario when electing and leaving mayor alive, and a high true positive town read still leaves the worst case scenario as a very possible situation. 100% true positive wolf read doesn’t allow for that scenario.

 

[NateTheLesser]

Have you ever played with chicandtoughness? If so, would be interested in hearing your thoughts about them. I haven't. I get real wishy washy vibes from them.

She was in the Fire Emblem game, but that might be my only game with her. Not sure I have a great handle on her playstyle. What's she being wishy washy about?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Did this help you evaluate JJJ any?

Eh. It's a pretty surface level read I guess but it shows initiative to go check me out and compare. I am interested though in what he makes of the difference in my mayoral engagement.

 

[Stagg737]

Also, I feel better about JJJ for now.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Mostly true, but a 100% true positive town read and a 0% true wolf read are not mutually exclusive. Like you said, a false positive town read is the worst scenario when electing and leaving mayor alive, and a high true positive town read still leaves the worst case scenario as a very possible situation. 100% true positive wolf read doesn’t allow for that scenario.

I'm here to tell you that's incorrect.

Source: I have a 100% true positive wolf read of mkg.

 

[Dinashadow]

Clem feel as if there would be more substance if sus. I guess he's on the lower end of villagey if I had to choose, just more "not sus right now"

Can you explain this more? Have you played with wolf!clem?

You had a separate category in your reads list of people you hadn't heard enough from but clem is green because more substance = sus?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Eh. It's a pretty surface level read I guess but it shows initiative to go check me out and compare. I am interested though in what he makes of the difference in my mayoral engagement.

What's the surface level read? That part's missing from your post.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Eh. It's a pretty surface level read I guess but it shows initiative to go check me out and compare. I am interested though in what he makes of the difference in my mayoral engagement.

It supports the assertion that you are more appropriately described as "not quite doing things" in this game than you were in that game.

I doubt that's something that equates to "PSV is mafia, period, the end". I do suspect though that you're more likely to be this way when you are mafia than when you are town. You're allowed to be kinda gassed out of effort once in a while; you're human. It's just not towny, and I think you've been overtly towny in my other games with you.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

What's the surface level read? That part's missing from your post.

The surface level read is "yep, she was also floaty there"

 

[NateTheLesser]

Mostly the same thing, albeit with a more active flare (and perhaps more concrete meta in Dubz' case that it might be a problem). They're almost the same slot in my head right now.

Expected to find more than 20 posts in PSV's ISO for a "floaty" read, tbh. What's the difference in your mind between floaty and just not very present?

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Expected to find more than 20 posts in PSV's ISO for a "floaty" read, tbh. What's the difference in your mind between floaty and just not very present?

It's a vague word, and you could probably find a better descriptor if you wanted. When I say "floaty" I just mean that I have seen a player around the thread and consider them to be present within it (not necessarily highly active) without significantly impacting its motion. Applying no force. Floating.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also, Stagg has been mayor before so don´t fall for that line.

 

[Animal Midwife]

The surface level read is "yep, she was also floaty there"

No, I mean your read of him.

 

[Stagg737]

I'm here to tell you that's incorrect.

Source: I have a 100% true positive wolf read of mkg.

Which part is incorrect? Because the statistical portion is correct.

If that’s the case, why did you say before that you can read Shorty better than anyone else in this game?

 

[Stagg737]

Also, Stagg has been mayor before so don´t fall for that line.

No I haven’t. What game was I mayor?