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Day 4 Yeet Vote

  • SAR

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • chic

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  • genny

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • vampyrica

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zenge

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • mkg

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Unvote/No Vote

    Votes: 1 11.1%

  • Mods/Tots/Etc click here for fun

    Votes: 7 77.8%
  • Total voters
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Ah... Well. There's an idea. Unless there's a redirector. Hmm
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potentialsheltervet said:
The Hoobastank thing? That's a reference to their song "The Reason". It may be their only song in existence.
Unless it's about the reason being KJQ, in which case I maintain the only logical killer is KJQ. Who else has reason to kill Greedy?
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I got the reference. I just didn't follow you to it being obviously KJQ. You think it's more likely it was the scum kill vs the vig/doctor situation?
 
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potentialsheltervet said:
The Hoobastank thing? That's a reference to their song "The Reason". It may be their only song in existence.
Unless it's about the reason being KJQ, in which case I maintain the only logical killer is KJQ. Who else has reason to kill Greedy?
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hear me out, is it possible that this is just an intricate way to frame KJQ and or confuse the rest of us? given the fact we were going back and forth the last few pages, i can see how it might be:
  • Clem vouches Vampy
  • Clem dies. RR maf
  • Vampy & KJQ go back and forth for a while
  • Vampy continues bringing up GB
  • KJQ makes statements on why to believe GB, why it wouldn't make sense for the both of them to be maf, pointing at vamp
  • Vampy under microscope for poor decision making, pointing at KJQ
  • Remaining maf go "okay conflict surrounding GB, kill GB to confuse them"
  • GB dies
  • Vampy gets pointed at as possible killer
  • KJQ gets pointed at as possible killer
  • Effort is made for one of them to be yeeted, either option gets yeeted, RR town.
( i don't know, i'm trying to be helpful here )
 
I'm at work but sort of trying to keep up. Is it yeet SAR day yet? :heckyeah:

In other news, gonna

Yeet zenge

Because the bad pingy vibes haven't improved and I've decided the vote/no vote on Clem situation isn't enough for me to take him out of the POE until he does some village leg work
 
vampyrica said:
hear me out, is it possible that this is just an intricate way to frame KJQ and or confuse the rest of us? given the fact we were going back and forth the last few pages, i can see how it might be:
  • Clem vouches Vampy
  • Clem dies. RR maf
  • Vampy & KJQ go back and forth for a while
  • Vampy continues bringing up GB
  • KJQ makes statements on why to believe GB, why it wouldn't make sense for the both of them to be maf, pointing at vamp
  • Vampy under microscope for poor decision making, pointing at KJQ
  • Remaining maf go "okay conflict surrounding GB, kill GB to confuse them"
  • GB dies
  • Vampy gets pointed at as possible killer
  • KJQ gets pointed at as possible killer
  • Effort is made for one of them to be yeeted, either option gets yeeted, RR town.
( i don't know, i'm trying to be helpful here )
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Of course it's possible. But I am trying to look for the simplest explanation.
 
It's also mafia, the game of convolution and deception, so sometimes the simplest explanation may be too narrow of a tunnel, alas.

I'm not completely opposed to the path you're going down, vampy. But that begs the question of who thinks you or KJQ are easy frames. I don't think either of y'all have shown that you go down easy.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
At this time I'm operating under the assumption that there's less killing power unless it's confirmed there's more... If that makes sense?
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i agree with this.

also, if it was a vig kill, then wolves already know that. i would love it if the vig claimed it so village wouldn't be operating under false assumptions. if mkg really is a bodyguard, she could save the vig for at least one more night.
 
chicandtoughness said:
It's also mafia, the game of convolution and deception, so sometimes the simplest explanation may be too narrow of a tunnel, alas.

I'm not completely opposed to the path you're going down, vampy. But that begs the question of who thinks you or KJQ are easy frames. I don't think either of y'all have shown that you go down easy.
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well...we were asked if we wanted a chaotic game..
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Ah... Well. There's an idea. Unless there's a redirector. Hmm
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I’ve only ever seen that as a town role which means the redirector chose to redirect anything @ mkg (or got lucky and picked someone randomly that scum also picked) to instead go @ greedy, I don’t see any other way a redirector is responsible. Honestly that would probably be a really good move to make as redirector if they exist but it’s all speculation.

I just find it really weird that mkg is alive. So not only is a good question to ask “why greedy?” but in that same breath I’d say “why not mkg?”
 
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genny said:
i agree with this.

also, if it was a vig kill, then wolves already know that. i would love it if the vig claimed it so village wouldn't be operating under false assumptions. if mkg really is a bodyguard, she could save the vig for at least one more night.
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I think the only way both kills went to greedy is if this redirector role is actually in the game. Vig kills greedy, redirector redirects scum kill to greedy. But that’s a huge if. The other big if is if there’s a doctor that saved mkg. Those, to me, are the only worlds where scum didn’t kill greedy intentionally.
 
Hey everyone, after looking through the game again, I wanted to share some thoughts and updates on where I’m at. I’ve been trying to piece everything together, and there are a few things that stand out to me.

Clem Wagon:

I’ve been revisiting the Clem wagon, and I think there’s an interesting possibility that the pack involved was MKG, SAR, and Clem. There’s a chance that Clem, knowing his playstyle of being inactive and not really pro-village, might’ve asked to be bussed at the end of the day to help save SAR and MKG. I don’t know if that’s something people considered, but it makes sense in the context of how things unfolded. Clem has been pretty low-energy and not giving much in terms of helpful contributions. I could see him realizing that the pack was in a tough spot, especially with the pressure mounting on MKG, and SAR being on the board, suggesting that SAR and MKG bus him to save themselves. It’s hard to say for sure, but that timing is definitely worth noting and something I am considering.

Greedy's Death:
The circumstances surrounding Greedy’s death are definitely something we need to think about. With the lack of any clear information, it’s hard to know exactly what we’re dealing with here. Greedy’s flip could have told us a lot, but now we’re left with nothing but questions.

Players I’m Watching:

KJQ & Vamp:
KJQ’s focus on inconsistencies in Vamp's D1 play feels like a bit of a stretch. It’s good to ask questions, but I’m seeing a lot of focus on minor details and not a lot of substance in KJQ's arguments. It’s almost as though KJQ is trying to build a narrative to fit a specific story. I’ll be watching KJQ closely, but for now, it feels like they’re just trying to force round pegs into square holes. Sure, you can make them fit but that doesn't mean it's correct.

MKG: As mentioned earlier, MKG’s jump onto Clem's wagon at the last minute could be a bus. It’s a little too convenient, especially since it came after her D1 wagon fell apart, and the other options were Clem and SAR.

SAR: I haven’t seen enough from SAR to feel confident either way, but I think it’s possible that SAR is part of the pack with Clem and MKG. If Clem was pushing for a bus at EOD, SAR could easily have been involved in that decision. However, I’m not fully convinced that SAR is the strongest scumread right now, but I’m still watching.

Fruit Salad: I’ve been a little uneasy about Fruit Salad’s passivity in the game. I agree with Chic, they’ve been engaging with what others are saying without offering much in terms of their own analysis or thoughts. It feels like they’re trying to stay in the background and not attract too much attention, which makes me wary. I’ll be looking for more of their interactions going forward.

PSV: PSV’s been pushing the KJQ tunnel a lot, and I think she's been a little overeager in trying to drive the narrative around that. I agree with Chic that PSV has been too focused on a specific line of thinking, and that kind of tunnel vision doesn’t sit well with me. I’ll continue to keep an eye on PSV as the game goes on.

Madrigal: I still haven’t seen enough from Madrigal to make any solid conclusions, but I’m still watching. Their level of engagement has been low from my perspective, and I’m curious to see if that changes.

I'd say Genny and Chic are probably my top town reads at the moment.
 
KayJayQueue said:
I just find it really weird that mkg is alive. So not only is a good question to ask “why greedy?” but in that same breath I’d say “why not mkg?”
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i don't think it's so weird if mkg is village. she'll die at some point protecting someone. and while it might mess with wolfy plans a little, a villager still dies. if she didn't die with her protection, i'd think it would be more of a priority to get her out.
 
Zenge142 said:
Hey everyone, after looking through the game again, I wanted to share some thoughts and updates on where I’m at. I’ve been trying to piece everything together, and there are a few things that stand out to me.

Clem Wagon:

I’ve been revisiting the Clem wagon, and I think there’s an interesting possibility that the pack involved was MKG, SAR, and Clem. There’s a chance that Clem, knowing his playstyle of being inactive and not really pro-village, might’ve asked to be bussed at the end of the day to help save SAR and MKG. I don’t know if that’s something people considered, but it makes sense in the context of how things unfolded. Clem has been pretty low-energy and not giving much in terms of helpful contributions. I could see him realizing that the pack was in a tough spot, especially with the pressure mounting on MKG, and SAR being on the board, suggesting that SAR and MKG bus him to save themselves. It’s hard to say for sure, but that timing is definitely worth noting and something I am considering.

Greedy's Death:
The circumstances surrounding Greedy’s death are definitely something we need to think about. With the lack of any clear information, it’s hard to know exactly what we’re dealing with here. Greedy’s flip could have told us a lot, but now we’re left with nothing but questions.

Players I’m Watching:

KJQ & Vamp:
KJQ’s focus on inconsistencies in Vamp's D1 play feels like a bit of a stretch. It’s good to ask questions, but I’m seeing a lot of focus on minor details and not a lot of substance in KJQ's arguments. It’s almost as though KJQ is trying to build a narrative to fit a specific story. I’ll be watching KJQ closely, but for now, it feels like they’re just trying to force round pegs into square holes. Sure, you can make them fit but that doesn't mean it's correct.

MKG: As mentioned earlier, MKG’s jump onto Clem's wagon at the last minute could be a bus. It’s a little too convenient, especially since it came after her D1 wagon fell apart, and the other options were Clem and SAR.

SAR: I haven’t seen enough from SAR to feel confident either way, but I think it’s possible that SAR is part of the pack with Clem and MKG. If Clem was pushing for a bus at EOD, SAR could easily have been involved in that decision. However, I’m not fully convinced that SAR is the strongest scumread right now, but I’m still watching.

Fruit Salad: I’ve been a little uneasy about Fruit Salad’s passivity in the game. I agree with Chic, they’ve been engaging with what others are saying without offering much in terms of their own analysis or thoughts. It feels like they’re trying to stay in the background and not attract too much attention, which makes me wary. I’ll be looking for more of their interactions going forward.

PSV: PSV’s been pushing the KJQ tunnel a lot, and I think she's been a little overeager in trying to drive the narrative around that. I agree with Chic that PSV has been too focused on a specific line of thinking, and that kind of tunnel vision doesn’t sit well with me. I’ll continue to keep an eye on PSV as the game goes on.

Madrigal: I still haven’t seen enough from Madrigal to make any solid conclusions, but I’m still watching. Their level of engagement has been low from my perspective, and I’m curious to see if that changes.

I'd say Genny and Chic are probably my top town reads at the moment.
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You listed me and vampy together but only talk about me and reasons to watch me. So what exactly is your vampy read?

Yes, I was trying to make sense out of her moves and explanations that didn’t seem to fit together logically and so I tried my best to figure out why. I also went into a long analysis of why she wouldn’t kill greedy but it seems like you didn’t read that far or didn’t want to include that in your opinion.
 
genny said:
i don't think it's so weird if mkg is village. she'll die at some point protecting someone. and while it might mess with wolfy plans a little, a villager still dies. if she didn't die with her protection, i'd think it would be more of a priority to get her out.
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I think I’ll rephrase that to “why greedy over mkg?” I see no reason scum kills greedy instead of a claimed town PR. If they were to kill anyone else, sure maybe we can say they’re leaving mkg for later and trying to get out someone critical to town’s solving. Greedy was helping me solve, sure, but was mostly just supporting my reads so I don’t think he was too threatening to scum unless me/greedy were on the right path and they went for a weird play to break us up. I still don’t know why you chance it when greedy says he had reason to believe there was a vig and then beg that potential vig to kill him. I just don’t understand scum choosing greedy here.
 
here are the flavors of roles which make the most sense to me for this game (roles found here: Mafia (party game) - Wikipedia)

Detective, Tracker, Watcher, Witness, BG (no doctor), Undercover Cop or traitor, Miller, Vig, a role manipulator.
 
KayJayQueue said:
You listed me and vampy together but only talk about me and reasons to watch me. So what exactly is your vampy read?

Yes, I was trying to make sense out of her moves and explanations that didn’t seem to fit together logically and so I tried my best to figure out why. I also went into a long analysis of why she wouldn’t kill greedy but it seems like you didn’t read that far or didn’t want to include that in your opinion.
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I'm slight village leaning Vamp. I think you're putting a lot more emphasis on an early D1 GTH exercise than you probably should in your Vamp analysis and I'm left asking why.

I'm not really going to try and parse out the Greedy situation. We don't know if Greedy was killed by a Villager, Wolves, or 3p. We don't know if Greedy was a villager, wolf, or 3p. For all we know Greedy tried to do a night kill and caught a bullet from a PGO. I don't really want to spend time going down the rabbit hole. I've done it already in my head for hours and at the end of the day anything is possible. Maybe Greedy isn't really dead! Maybe we just think he's dead because he's gone, and then SURPRISE! someone rips off their face mask and they've been Greedy the whole time. It would be very on theme.
 
KayJayQueue said:
I think I’ll rephrase that to “why greedy over mkg?” I see no reason scum kills greedy instead of a claimed town PR. If they were to kill anyone else, sure maybe we can say they’re leaving mkg for later and trying to get out someone critical to town’s solving. Greedy was helping me solve, sure, but was mostly just supporting my reads so I don’t think he was too threatening to scum unless me/greedy were on the right path and they went for a weird play to break us up. I still don’t know why you chance it when greedy says he had reason to believe there was a vig and then beg that potential vig to kill him. I just don’t understand scum choosing greedy here.
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yeah i don't know why greedy specifically, since i was thinking he'd be up for the vote today. it has crossed my mind that you might want him out while he's still townreading you if you're wolfy, but i feel like you would have had better options. idk, night kill analysis is often fruitless imo
 
vampyrica said:
here are the flavors of roles which make the most sense to me for this game (roles found here: Mafia (party game) - Wikipedia)

Detective, Tracker, Watcher, Witness, BG (no doctor), Undercover Cop or traitor, Miller, Vig, a role manipulator.
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Actually you’re right. We wouldn’t have a bodyguard and a doctor. So I’m removing that possibility from my world building.
 
Zenge142 said:
I'm slight village leaning Vamp. I think you're putting a lot more emphasis on an early D1 GTH exercise than you probably should in your Vamp analysis and I'm left asking why.

I'm not really going to try and parse out the Greedy situation. We don't know if Greedy was killed by a Villager, Wolves, or 3p. We don't know if Greedy was a villager, wolf, or 3p. For all we know Greedy tried to do a night kill and caught a bullet from a PGO. I don't really want to spend time going down the rabbit hole. I've done it already in my head for hours and at the end of the day anything is possible. Maybe Greedy isn't really dead! Maybe we just think he's dead because he's gone, and then SURPRISE! someone rips off their face mask and they've been Greedy the whole time. It would be very on theme.
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I mean if you’re saying greedy might have been killed by town or 3p, what happened to the scum kill? These are questions to entertain in order to figure out what’s going on.
 
KayJayQueue said:
I mean if you’re saying greedy might have been killed by town or 3p, what happened to the scum kill? These are questions to entertain in order to figure out what’s going on.
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Literally anything is possible. I'm not going to waste time trying to parse out what happened when it's unknowable without more information, and franking in a way, it feels like you're fishing here for a PR to out themselves and answer the question, and it gives me bad vibes.
 
Zenge142 said:
Literally anything is possible. I'm not going to waste time trying to parse out what happened when it's unknowable without more information, and franking in a way, it feels like you're fishing here for a PR to out themselves and answer the question, and it gives me bad vibes.
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time out for a second so i can understand something,

is a PR considered anything town leaning that isnt vanilla town? (ie BG, Doctor, Inves, Watcher, Tracker etc)?
 
vampyrica said:
time out for a second so i can understand something,

is a PR considered anything town leaning that isnt vanilla town? (ie BG, Doctor, Inves, Watcher, Tracker etc)?
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Technically it's anything that's not vanilla, regardless of affiliation. (Although I'm sure there are exceptions I can't think of at the moment that would be considered both non-vanilla and also not a PR)
 
Zenge142 said:
Literally anything is possible. I'm not going to waste time trying to parse out what happened when it's unknowable without more information, and franking in a way, it feels like you're fishing here for a PR to out themselves and answer the question, and it gives me bad vibes.
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Except I said multiple times for a doctor or vig not to come forward so I think you’re just looking for reasons to sus and that actually looks bad on you because it means you’re not actually reading my posts to see my pov. Just because I’m saying “don’t discount worlds just because there are “too many possibilities” from your pov” doesn’t mean I’m saying “PRs should claim” and I think it’s ridiculous to say that’s what I’m doing.
 
KayJayQueue said:
Why do you think you’re an easy push?
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Firstly, in this game specifically, because I was the counter wagon yesterday to a wolf wagon. I still feel it's likely that my wagon was pure which means that probably at some point everyone is going to talk themselves into needing to flip me to evaluate the wagonomics on day one. I am not a high poster so likely an easier scum push than say you or vampy today.

Secondly, speaking to meta, when I'm village I tend to either be yeeted early for being sketchy or if I manage to survive the first few days I get dragged to the last day or two to be the designated misyeet.
 
vampyrica said:
nothing specific. do you feel like each time you've chimed in has been more neutral or that you've made an effort to demonstrate your towny-ness?
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I feel like each post I've made is village because I am village? I'm not sure I'm understanding what you're looking for here 😂
 
KayJayQueue said:
Except I said multiple times for a doctor or vig not to come forward so I think you’re just looking for reasons to sus and that actually looks bad on you because it means you’re not actually reading my posts to see my pov. Just because I’m saying “don’t discount worlds just because there are “too many possibilities” from your pov” doesn’t mean I’m saying “PRs should claim” and I think it’s ridiculous to say that’s what I’m doing.
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You can simultaneously say the words "PRs shouldn't claim" and then continue tugging at the thread and trying to solve a question that might be solved by PR's coming forward.
KayJayQueue said:
I mean if you’re saying greedy might have been killed by town or 3p, what happened to the scum kill? These are questions to entertain in order to figure out what’s going on.
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Saying "PR's shouldn't claim" doesn't absolve this from feeling like you're really fishing for a PR to claim
 
Zenge142 said:
You can simultaneously say the words "PRs shouldn't claim" and then continue tugging at the thread and trying to solve a question that might be solved by PR's coming forward.

Saying "PR's shouldn't claim" doesn't absolve this from feeling like you're really fishing for a PR to claim
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i like this.
 
KayJayQueue said:
I just find it really weird that mkg is alive. So not only is a good question to ask “why greedy?” but in that same breath I’d say “why not mkg?”
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KayJayQueue said:
Actually you’re right. We wouldn’t have a bodyguard and a doctor. So I’m removing that possibility from my world building.
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I think you're right to think "why not mkg".. and I'm starting to think in that direction as well.

The non-existence of a doctor assumes that mkg is who she says she is.

Bodyguard is a pretty good mafia fakeclaim tbh. You won't die unless someone targets you (mafia obviously won't, and if vigilante believes the claim they won't either). And your protects will always be "successful" because you know who the NK will be. No one else in the game can prove you were doing what you were doing because (to my knowledge), bodyguard actions are not loud.

(The more I'm talking about this, the more wary I'm getting.)

If we don't have a doctor, you believe that Greedy was the scum kill?
 
SARdoghandler said:
Firstly, in this game specifically, because I was the counter wagon yesterday to a wolf wagon. I still feel it's likely that my wagon was pure which means that probably at some point everyone is going to talk themselves into needing to flip me to evaluate the wagonomics on day one. I am not a high poster so likely an easier scum push than say you or vampy today.

Secondly, speaking to meta, when I'm village I tend to either be yeeted early for being sketchy or if I manage to survive the first few days I get dragged to the last day or two to be the designated misyeet.
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Do you think the Clem wagon was also pure? (I forgot if you answered that but I’m thinking you do think it’s pure, correct me if I’m wrong)

So that would then make genny, PSV, mkg, me, mads and you all town. Greedy even though we don’t have a flip, town.

So scum would have to be contained in:
Zenge, chic, vampy, fruitsalad

Can you tell me who you’re looking at from this list? Or put them in order from most likely scum to least from your POV? 3 of these 4 were in my PoE day 1 and vampy went to the bottom of my list overnight so I understand where you’re coming from.

I also clicked on a random game that was showing up as “similar topics” at the bottom of the page to see how night usually goes and saw that day 1 all scum were off wagon and on small vanity wagons which mirrors last game as well. It makes me more wary that that’s a thing that happens here and that looking off wagon is the smart move. (Fun fact: that game I chose to look at to see how night usually goes? Didn’t have the thread open at night so that ended up pointless lol)
 
chicandtoughness said:
I think you're right to think "why not mkg".. and I'm starting to think in that direction as well.

The non-existence of a doctor assumes that mkg is who she says she is.

Bodyguard is a pretty good mafia fakeclaim tbh. You won't die unless someone targets you (mafia obviously won't, and if vigilante believes the claim they won't either). And your protects will always be "successful" because you know who the NK will be. No one else in the game can prove you were doing what you were doing because (to my knowledge), bodyguard actions are not loud.

(The more I'm talking about this, the more wary I'm getting.)

If we don't have a doctor, you believe that Greedy was the scum kill?
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There’s still a possibility that vig also shot greedy but in that world, scum killed greedy as well. So unless that fringe world that includes a redirector exists, which for the record I’m not asking them to claim, I have to believe scum killed greedy, yes.
 
Zenge142 said:
You can simultaneously say the words "PRs shouldn't claim" and then continue tugging at the thread and trying to solve a question that might be solved by PR's coming forward.

Saying "PR's shouldn't claim" doesn't absolve this from feeling like you're really fishing for a PR to claim
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I said we need to entertain these questions not answer them right now. You’re reaching. I’m trying to solve the damn game.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Bodyguard is a pretty good mafia fakeclaim tbh. You won't die unless someone targets you (mafia obviously won't, and if vigilante believes the claim they won't either). And your protects will always be "successful" because you know who the NK will be. No one else in the game can prove you were doing what you were doing because (to my knowledge), bodyguard actions are not loud.
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actually this makes a good bit of sense. to reveal themselves as a PR so early on in the game and with little to no hesitation strikes me as odd. they would be a clear target:

First post: 8:40pm
mkg323 said:
So like yall gonna get your **** together orrrrr do I need to role reveal?
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Second post: 8:56pm
mkg323 said:
Ok fine I am the body guard aka a young hot Jeremy Renner per the theme
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this didn't really seem like anyone was pulling at teeth to get this RR...

i fear i might get my reading card revoked...
 
SAR, given that you're confused no one has tried to push you, what are your reads atm? (Alternate version of this question: who were you expecting to push you)
 
KayJayQueue said:
I said we need to entertain these questions not answer them right now. You’re reaching. I’m trying to solve the damn game.
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Are you?
KayJayQueue said:
There’s still a possibility that vig also shot greedy but in that world, scum killed greedy as well. So unless that fringe world that includes a redirector exists, which for the record I’m not asking them to claim, I have to believe scum killed greedy, yes.
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Because it seems like you’re narrowing down the list of possibilities for how the night cycle played out, without any information that would inform you how to actually narrow down the infinite list of possibilities, and then creating a world view based on that fabricated foundation.
 
chicandtoughness said:
I think you're right to think "why not mkg".. and I'm starting to think in that direction as well.

The non-existence of a doctor assumes that mkg is who she says she is.
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The problem we have here though is that in the world we have a doctor, it means we don’t have a bodyguard. Which means mkg wouldn’t be shot at by scum if they’re lying and scum. Unless they are lying and a 3p. Because any doctor would have been protecting mkg last night, I don’t see why they wouldn’t. So it still doesn’t add up to me to kill greedy unless mkg is specifically scum, which I don’t really see happening. Because who fake claims a role that is confirmable knowing they can’t be confirmed and then BUS their role blocking partner??
 
Zenge142 said:
Are you?

Because it seems like you’re narrowing down the list of possibilities for how the night cycle played out, without any information that would inform you how to actually narrow down the infinite list of possibilities, and then creating a world view based on that fabricated foundation.
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I’m narrowing down the logical possibilities. It’s logical that a doctor and a bodyguard do not exist together.
 
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