Nor'east Ski WWeekend (Basics) - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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Doesn’t make a difference if I die or not, as long as 2 people do, of course I prefer to live, but it is not important. The survivor, if game isn’t over, gets lynched tomorrow,

I'm saying if your name is in the pot twice, you may be the only one to die
We had a similar situation last game - a wolf made a tie between herself and a villager. The mod who was closing the lynch ended up deciding to kill both of them, but Kara (who was the head mod of that game and is also one of the mods this time) said she would have just killed the wolf if RNG had said she died "twice" since her name was in the pot as both tie maker and tied party. So if you make a tie between the three of us, and your name is in the pot twice, there's a chance you could be the only one to die. Clear as mud?

 

[StartingoverVet]

I'm saying if your name is in the pot twice, you may be the only one to die
We had a similar situation last game - a wolf made a tie between herself and a villager. The mod who was closing the lynch ended up deciding to kill both of them, but Kara (who was the head mod of that game and is also one of the mods this time) said she would have just killed the wolf if RNG had said she died "twice" since her name was in the pot as both tie maker and tied party. So if you make a tie between the three of us, and your name is in the pot twice, there's a chance you could be the only one to die. Clear as mud?

Hmmm. Well that complicates matters. I will ask mods for clarification
@PippyPony

 

[PippyPony]

Ties will be handled as follows:
First tie: RNG 2 people between those tied and tiemaker
Second tie onwards: All tied parties die; 50% chance of tiemaker also dying.

So, we will RNG 2 people 😉

 

[WildZoo]

So, we will RNG 2 people 😉

Hey man, I'm just sayin, Kara said the same thing last time

 

[WildZoo]

RNG 2 people between those tied and the tie maker

@PippyPony

 

[PippyPony]

@PippyPony

Well, I'm not Karabeans, and I will choose more death > less death 😉

 

[WildZoo]

Well, I'm not Karabeans, and I will choose more death > less death 😉

Just wanted to make sure 😀

Carry on, sobsob. I don't know what the current tally is.

 

[Dinashadow]

It wasn’t suspicious ..my point was that was your only good vote.

But my early docE vote is sus.? Which is it? You really think DocE would've told me to bus him like I supposedly did and leave the noob wolf in charge of finishing alone?

Because I don't get that feeling from him by how he was talking about me.

 

[WildZoo]

But my early docE vote is sus.? Which is it? You really think DocE would've told me to bus him like I supposedly did and leave the noob wolf in charge of finishing alone?

Because I don't get that feeling from him by how he was talking about me.

I don't think he expected to actually get lynched lol I think if anything he thought you would get lynched, and it would give him some clearance

 

[WildZoo]

Looking at worst case scenario just so I am sure this will work out alright

Day 9 - 5:1 > if two villagers die > 3:1
Night 9 - 3:1 > wolf kills one villager > 2:1
Day 10 - LyLo that hopefully won't involve me

So yeah, I'm cool with it

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I am ok making a 2 way tie even if it includes me.

We have 3 lynch candidates...wz, me, and Dina, I just don’t see anyone else being lynched next 2 cycles. If wolf is one of the other 3 I guess wolves have deservedly won already,

If we lynch one person wrong.
2sketch 3 less sketch left
Then after wolf kill 2 and 2
If we lynch wrong again
1 sketch and 2 good left
After wolf kill wolves win,

If we lynch 2 players wrong...
1 sketch and 3 less sketch left
After wolf kill...1 and 2
We lynch sketch and villagers win.

Obviously anytime we get the right person right,,,we win.
so I will be trying to tie it up with wz and Dina. 2 of us die. 1 lives, we are good.

Interesting thought

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

@Crayola227 can you please come back on earlier than 5 min before Lynch?

 

[Karabiner13]

Day 9 Lynch Tally

dinamite (2) - sov, dubz
sov (2) - skim, dinamite
dubz (1) - zigzag

😏 Tie! 😏

@StartingoverVet and @Dinashadow are in the lead!

5/6
Missing: @Crayola227

Deadline 10pm est (~6.5 hours)

 

[WildZoo]

Day 9 Lynch Tally

dinamite (2) - sov, dubz
sov (2) - skim, dinamite
dubz (1) - zigzag

😏 Tie! 😏

@WildZoo and @Dinashadow are in the lead!

5/6
Missing: @Crayola227

Deadline 10pm est (~6.5 hours)

Zigzag's vote counts twice?? 😱

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Looking back makes me feel very village safe with Sporty.
@ziggyandjazzy who is your second choice?

In my ISO-ing of Dina she said she thought there was a wolf on the cubs/Barks votes from D1 and went back and looked and the only people left who haven’t flipped village are SOV, and Ziggy. So do you think either of these people are Wolfy? @Dinashadow

I feel the reverse of this

Probably either you or cray
Need to go back and look at Dina but she has seemed very village to me

My strongest feels right now are Dina but I don’t want to lynch her when she may not have time to catch up and respond appropriately, and like cray and DocE I feel like haven’t been around enough or it’s just hard to judge from subbing in. And then I just have MSU as ???

Since Mel flipped wolf I'm less inclined to believe SOV is a wolf unless he was recently converted.



See above about SOV

I've had ziggy village all game. Converts make reads a little more complicated though.

I'll be honest I haven't had time to flesh anything out today. I was obviously on the wrong side of the lynch vote yesterday so I wanted to re evaluate but have had no time today.

hm this bothers me...

 

[Karabiner13]

Zigzag's vote counts twice?? 😱

fixed. Your posts about what I would and wouldn't do made you stick out in my mind

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Zigzag's vote counts twice?? 😱

She loves me more

 

[WildZoo]

hm this bothers me...

What about it?

 

[WildZoo]

fixed. Your posts about what I would and wouldn't do made you stick out in my mind

I realized I had gone too long without trying to read the mods' minds

She loves me more

😱 🙁

 

[WildZoo]

What if zig has been a wolf this whole time and that's why Kara loves her more?
It is tradition for me to be fooled by my grandmanatees...

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

What if zig has been a wolf this whole time and that's why Kara loves her more?
It is tradition for me to be fooled by my grandmanatees...

I was thinking about that. I would've ****ing loved being a wolf this game (I actually thought I was a good convert option, but alas) because it would've been super epic lol

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

What about it?

Dunno. Dina's vote bothered me yesterday because DocE didn't necessarily appear wolf-y and I didn't feel like she had super solid rationale. I was going to question her more about it but I guess it's good I didn't because that would've looked really sketch.

Dolph died after saying Dina was sketch. Pretty wifom-y tho

 

[PippyPony]

Day 9 Kara Makes the Prettiest Ombre Lynch Tally

dinamite (2) - sov, dubz
sov (2) - skim, dinamite
dubz (1) - zigzag

😏 Tie! 😏

@StartingoverVet and @Dinashadow are in the lead!

5/6
Missing: @Crayola227

Deadline 10pm est (~5.5 hours)

 

[Dinashadow]

I don't think he expected to actually get lynched lol I think if anything he thought you would get lynched, and it would give him some clearance

It was between you and him yesterday. There was very little chance I would've been lynched with you trying to self-prez

 

[Dinashadow]

Dunno. Dina's vote bothered me yesterday because DocE didn't necessarily appear wolf-y and I didn't feel like she had super solid rationale. I was going to question her more about it but I guess it's good I didn't because that would've looked really sketch.

Dolph died after saying Dina was sketch. Pretty wifom-y tho

He seemed wolfy to me and I posted my reasons why.

 

[Dinashadow]

Sometimes you don't always have clear cut reasons to be suspicious of someone. Sometimes you go with your gut and find evidence from there.

I still don't understand why it would've helped me as a wolf to bus the convert. I could've easily saved him by switching my vote last night

 

[WildZoo]

It was between you and him yesterday. There was very little chance I would've been lynched with you trying to self-prez

I'm talking about the beginning of the day

 

[WildZoo]

My endgame paranoia is starting to kick in early so I'm just gonna go study. Tag me if I'm needed.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Oh hello tunnel

Not necessarily, just wanted to see what would happen

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Why did sporty die last night instead of cray? I don't understand that

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

For the record, I think this game was skewed wolf. A tracker is a lame seer, hard to catch wolves that way or find much info in a low role game, and a jailer is a lame protector as you essentially block the important role you are protecting. Plus the wolves had a lot of abilities...extra kills, lynch avoidance, etc.

Goes back to @LetItSnow ’s ww theory...game is supposed to be harder for wolves. Not easy. They have all the info.
So when villagers follow my tie strategy and possibly win, I think we really deserve credit. And if we lose....the fix was in by the mods,

THE END.

Edit: this all assumes you people are right there is no seer or protector....the people who I have assumed had these roles all along are still alive so I have hope...small, puny, weak hope.

Who did you think had those roles?

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Also I would rather not get on here at 6:45 and have some circle jerk waffle fest because I have a midterm tomorrow and aint nobody got time for that

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm talking about the beginning of the day

But you had to push him to vote for me remember?

 

[Dinashadow]

Also I would rather not get on here at 6:45 and have some circle jerk waffle fest because I have a midterm tomorrow and aint nobody got time for that

I think you mean 9:45

 

[WildZoo]

But you had to push him to vote for me remember?

Indeed

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Maybe when you stop placing easy votes on noobs because they seem a little sketchy.

Lynch DocE

Don't really like your play here and you jumping votes to SOV the other night makes it look like you were trying to save Mel which makes you look even more suspicious

I just find it weird they they were tied when you switched. You said you wanted to make your vote count and that just says to me that you wanted to try to get SOV lynched instead of Mel

Ziggy and I are both noobs and you just clustered us together and said how you couldn't even tell us apart. That's a stupid excuse to try to get the rest of the village on board to vote either zig or I for what I'm assuming is an easy noob lynch in your mind. When it didnt work on me you just switched to zigs.

I'm curious to see if you're going to try to get it to stick again today.

How is that not a read? Does my reasoning not seem valid to you?

Tell me his SOV waffle vote wasnt weird. The voting on Mel and Sov was close and I'd bet there was a wolf vote in there trying to turn the votes away from Mel.

I was busy yesterday and I'm working today too so I'm just starting to catch up from Sunday night.

I dont have time to do reads on everyone until later so don't expect them. I work 12+ hour days.

So if you're saying my previous votes were logic free does that infer that my vote for you today is logical?

I don't see it the way you do. And I've definitely posted more than I have today in previous days. I've basically been under your microscope since you started so it's been more than just today. I'm voting for you because of the reasons I stated before.

He seemed wolfy to me and I posted my reasons why.

So basically, these reasons? You thought he was wolfy for breaking a tie between Mel and SOV. You were also voting for SOV. And you also now think SOV is a wolf. So I am a bit confused.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Hey, I'm going with SOV first! I think he's the more likely wolf here.

I thought you've been thinking he was village most of the game?

 

[StartingoverVet]

Why did sporty die last night instead of cray? I don't understand that

Be careful, This sounds like a wolf complaining about mods messing up their kill? What do you mean?

 

[Skimble]

Why did sporty die last night instead of cray? I don't understand that

Why cray instead of sporty? I’ve had sporty hard village for a while now.

I thought you've been thinking he was village most of the game?

Please look back, I have said I want SOV to be village. And part of me still does, but of those players left, I feel he is the most likely to be wolf, right down to this tie situation he’s proposing (I’m pretty sure he did something similar as a wolf in a different game, but I often jumble games at this point.)

 

[StartingoverVet]

Who did you think had those roles?

Ha ha, well since you asked.....I thought you were the seer and skimble must have been protecting you. Clearly I am wrong since you wouldn’t have asked otherwise. I have come to accept there aren’t any, and I am sad.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Why cray instead of sporty? I’ve had sporty hard village for a while now.

Please look back, I have said I want SOV to be village. And part of me still does, but of those players left, I feel he is the most likely to be wolf, right down to this tie situation he’s proposing (I’m pretty sure he did something similar as a wolf in a different game, but I often jumble games at this point.)

What? This makes me doubt YOU, this tie situation is 100% village strategy. It is the best way to win and you think I am a wolf.


<insert throwing papers in air gif here...for some reason my links don’t work anymore>

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Be careful, This sounds like a wolf complaining about mods messing up their kill? What do you mean?

No, not at all. It just confuses me. Cray's actions yesterday would make her seem 100% village. She was on dubs, who had one more vote, and switched to DocE, lynching a wolf. I am unsure why a wolf would leave that person alive, as I can't figure out any way a wolf would've switched from a villager getting lynched, to a wolf. Maybe they just hoped she wouldn't be active today? Idk

Why cray instead of sporty? I’ve had sporty hard village for a while now.

Please look back, I have said I want SOV to be village. And part of me still does, but of those players left, I feel he is the most likely to be wolf, right down to this tie situation he’s proposing (I’m pretty sure he did something similar as a wolf in a different game, but I often jumble games at this point.)

If the tie thing panned out, it could actually be helpful. but I am not sure I trust everyone to not mess it up last second.

Ha ha, well since you asked.....I thought you were the seer and skimble must have been protecting you. Clearly I am wrong since you wouldn’t have asked otherwise. I have come to accept there aren’t any, and I am sad.

Lol not a seer, I wish.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

I'm subbing out someone literally named killer? Well that's not a bad omen or anything.

Give me time to read.

Save me time. Are there any known wolves? Is coffee someone who resisted lunch before?

Working on reviewing enough of this game thread to be able to be certain but I'm super ****ing suspicious of both Dinah and Ziggy.

I need time to finish reading. I haven't gotten to the part where you all hate Mel yet. I only read the beginning and the end of this game thread haha.

Lynch Dinah

Both have been playing poorly. ziggy more thsn dinah. I know I only saw half the game but it's pretty bad. But their pre emotive votes for Mel worry me. Especially when the obvious vote yesterday was coffee not Mel. Dinah is a bit more suspicious here being on Mel yesterday and today pre emptively.

What's the knock on Mel? I'm not all the way caught up yet. But I'm gonna call out the bad play every time and trust Im gonna have good accuracy with that .

Its why your name isn't up there as the #1. But switching off a no brainier wolf for ANYONE is just bad play. You don't know me very well I would assume but I don't have a lot of sympathy and empathy. You either play the right move (or at least seriously justify you playing your own move) or you are earning negative points in my mind.

You earned this suspicion from the start of the game and yesterday's round

Dina was and she got it right. Which is why a pre-emptive Mel vote makes no sense. It screams wolf to me. She earned her villager cred and can phone it in now. It's just such a reproducable pattern I've seen over and over again

It's feels. But it just plays so wolf to me. The quiet, just place a vote, move on sort of be under the radar sort of move. If she cared about who she was lynching then the moves shes making (who she is prematurely deciding to lynch) make no sense. It just feels like a wolf who doesn't care who she picks as long as she looms like she is taking part in the game.

I guess in the end just call it experience and suspicion. Similar suspicions for somewhat different reasons with ziggy

Day 6 Yes I Know I Need a GIF Lynch Tally

Cheezit (4) - zigjaz, Sporty, Skim, MSU
SAR (1) - SOV
SOV (4) - SAR, WZ, Dina, Mel
Dina (1) - DocE

10/12 voting
A tie?

lynch close at 10pm Eastern (~2.5 hrs)

Cmon guys....let’s get this right. I am departing shortly. I am counting on you all.

If I'm being logically consistent with my thought that mel was the "wrong" one in the coffee/Mel matchup yesterday... then I have to assume saying unlynch Dinah lynch sov is the better of the two likely options

Ughhhh

Unlynch SOV
Lynch SAR

I am going to regret this aren’t I?
If I come back at lynch close and I’m leading, I WILL self-prez vote wherever it is.

So when I sat down to get caught up, I saw that the weather predicts our first snow of the year. Gotta get groceries or be stuck without food for the week.

Will catch up later.

For now

###lynch Mel###

Nothing in particular but right off the bat he went for SOV who had a good point on ziggy I think, way early on. Didn't like it

Unlynch SAR
Lynch SOV

Jesus you just tied it didn’t you..

Also like SOV isn’t self prezzing..so hows everyone feel about that?

He was originally, it appears to be an attempt to offer another alternative to him or Mel.

 

[Crayola227]

OH MY ****ING GOD

OK, questions

who on Earth thought a subbed in DocE was a good convert choice?? or was there some other mechanism that led to conversion besides pack choice? maybe not the most useful question in wolf hunting, but a point of curiosity

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Can you explain more about wolf Mel vs villager Mel. I think Mel has been off all game, but it seems so extreme I doubt myself. I just don’t see why a wolf would so constantly put themselves so weirdly out there.

I only have 5 minutes... not upset if SARS gets lynched. I will try to check back once more. Currently in monks corner SC.

You are making a mistake ...unless you are a wolf...
And I thought you were on the SOV is a villager side, why the switch. Converted to the dark side?

Ok. I am willing to try that. SAR is on my list from other day, and I am still torn on you.

Unlynch Mel
Lynch sarS

Day 6 Yes I Know I Need a GIF Lynch Tally

Cheezit (4) - zigjaz, Sporty, Skim, MSU
SAR (1) - SOV
SOV (4) - SAR, WZ, Dina, Mel
Dina (1) - DocE

10/12 voting
A tie?

lynch close at 10pm Eastern (~2.5 hrs)

Cmon guys....let’s get this right. I am departing shortly. I am counting on you all.

 

[ziggyandjazzy]

Doc went really hard for dina. And Mel went really hard for SOV, Idk when he was converted but that just makes them both read village

 

[PippyPony]

Day 9 Kara Makes the Prettiest Ombre Lynch Tally

dinamite (2) - sov, dubz
sov (2) - skim, dinamite
dubz (1) - zigzag

😏 Tie! 😏

@StartingoverVet and @Dinashadow are in the lead!

5/6
Missing: @Crayola227

Deadline 10pm est (2 hours)

 

[Skimble]

What? This makes me doubt YOU, this tie situation is 100% village strategy. It is the best way to win and you think I am a wolf.


<insert throwing papers in air gif here...for some reason my links don’t work anymore>

Really? I’m pretty sure I’m high on the wolf kill list for tonight. I’m just saying I’m pretty sure I recall you pulling a similar tie tactic as a wolf before.

 

[Crayola227]

Well. That was stressful to read after the fact


I don’t really think this is an appropriate thing to be stating, especially to cray, who tends to be quite a good player. Clearly the end result here proves there’s some utility to putting out a vote even if you haven’t caught up.

😍

Personal playstyle is I try to make it a point to drop a vote every single day, no matter what. People will hate that people do this uninformed, but I find that set as a goal, it forces some degree of effort in participation even if it's on one page, and there are ways to blind vote that can help. Worst case scenario you do a throwaway vote and just explain that is what you did. Even blind throwaway votes can get a rise out of people, and that stirs the data point pot. When you flip assuming you get lynched for this, it's more data points than saying woe is me I'm behind so I can't do anything at all. Wolves that are behind or that don't want to make choices would rather not pull the blind vote manuever. I'm not saying it's never wolfy or harmful to blind vote, just that it's more pro-village to do your best to vote even when it seems futile imho.

The other lesson I would point out from this, is that WZ proved that it's never too late to defend hard, it can make a difference even up to the final minute. Potentially. Depending on who is on and their propensity to waffle or make ties, lol.

 

[Crayola227]

I haven't voted yet because as you can I see I'm doing a PbPa starting from where we left off last night, as I try to parse out who's voting who and why, and where I want to go based on what I can glean.