Official 2015-2016 Help Me Rank Megathread

[mrheisenberg]

Thanks again, man! Your input is really a life saver! One quick extra question, would you still keep 1 and 2 in that order if I planned to do fellowship right away? Any extra help/comments from hem/onc people or anybody in general are much appreciated.

Between CCF and Dartmouth, clinical training apart, CCF is a research powerhouse, they have some big names in the field and it's the major Heme/Onc referral center in the region.. Dartmouth seems like a good place to train, but I imagine it's probably hard to have Dana-Faber, other Harvard hospitals, Tufts, BMC as neighbors just 100 miles away getting most of the referrals in the region..

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[ranboot]

Hi Guys, I have interviewed for Internal medicine at following programs:
University of Toledo
Cook County (Stroger)
MacNeal Medical center
Hurley medical center

I would highly appreciate if you could guide me in ranking these programs. I think following programs pros and cons (I could be wrong).

University of Toledo: 12 residency positions
Pros: University program, in-house research opportunities and fellowship opportunities, residents are protected and given study hours plus research.
Cons: Located in Toledo. My wife is in Software and would be very hard for her to find the job here.

Cook County (Stroger): I believe it has more than 30 positions
Pros: Renowned community hospital, similar fellowship opportunities like Toledo,
Cons: No in-house research, has a reputation of malignant and work load is heavy on residents.

MacNeal Medical center: Its a small program (private) with around 12 residents. however, I liked the work environment there. residents don't seem to be heavily work loaded here. Moreover, located in Chicago
Hurley medical center: its located at a bad location (Flint).
I have ranked Macneal above Hurley based on some information. I am mainly confused between UToledo, Cook County and Macneal. Also, I would rank Cook County above MacNeal.
I want to know which program will give me an edge over securing fellowship (mid-tier) in-house or elsewhere. Does the Toledo and Cook County offer equal fellowship opportunities. Cook county has huge no/. of residents while Toledo have fewer while they both offer same in-house fellowships. Regarding location, we are willing to go to Toledo even at my wife's career expense. She is ready to take a bit of hit in her career as she wants me to take a lead in terms of career. Which program has a good reputation of being resident of. If I rank Cook County as #1, does UToledo comes #2 or #3 after Macneal.
Really appreciate your help.

 

[californiaappli1]

Interested in cards or pulm/CC. Programs are listed in the order I like them, but it keeps changing. I would appreciate any advice on ranking these or opinions from people who interviewed at these programs.

1. USC: Gut feeling here.
2. Loyola: Gut feeling. Love the PD. Like that it’s 4+1. Don’t like the weather
3. Wake Forest: Good impression of the program but no gut feeling. Considering making it #2 because I don’t like Chicago weather.
4. Baylor: I tried to like it but I didn’t. My impression is that it’s one of the stronger programs on my list so I can’t justify moving it lower than this.
5. Mayo Jacksonville
6. USF
7. UT Houston
8. Cedars-Sinai
9. Houston Methodist
10. UF: Like the program. Don’t want to live in Gainesville.
11. RWJ
12. LSU

If you are interested in cards I would suggest against USC as your number 1 . Baylor will probably be your best for cards. I would consider that an wake forest as your top two if looking purely at ranking and chance for cards.

 

[californiaappli1]

Anyone have an opinion between Harbor-UCLA Versus Cedars Versus UCI?

Currently:
1. Harbor-UCLA
2. UCI
3. Cedars-Sinai
4. Montefiore
5. Olive View

I personally like Harbor > UCI > Cedars as well. I feel like Harbor gives the best clinical training. Faculty and residents at Cedars didn't really wow me.

 

[Yipyip]

Ditch the Miracle Whip and rank the rest however you liked them.

I wonder why mayo always gets such a bad rep (besides it being in Rochester)? I found it to be on par or better than the schools listed.

Maybe I'm just weird and really fell for the program.

 

[ranboot]

Please help me ranking following Internal Medicine programs:
University of Toledo
Cook County (Stroger)
MacNeal Medical center
Hurley medical center

I am mainly confused between UToledo and Cook County.

 

[hitachi47]

Having a hard time ranking UC Irvine or OHSU as my number one.

I had a good gut feeling about both. I'm from Oregon originally, but that's not a huge factor in my decision. Wondering on which program you all think is overall the better program. I'm also planning on doing a cardiology fellowship if that changes anything.

 

[PatNanym]

Hi Guys, I have interviewed for Internal medicine at following programs:
University of Toledo
Cook County (Stroger)
MacNeal Medical center
Hurley medical center

I would highly appreciate if you could guide me in ranking these programs. I think following programs pros and cons (I could be wrong).

University of Toledo: 12 residency positions
Pros: University program, in-house research opportunities and fellowship opportunities, residents are protected and given study hours plus research.
Cons: Located in Toledo. My wife is in Software and would be very hard for her to find the job here.

Cook County (Stroger): I believe it has more than 30 positions
Pros: Renowned community hospital, similar fellowship opportunities like Toledo,
Cons: No in-house research, has a reputation of malignant and work load is heavy on residents.

MacNeal Medical center: Its a small program (private) with around 12 residents. however, I liked the work environment there. residents don't seem to be heavily work loaded here. Moreover, located in Chicago
Hurley medical center: its located at a bad location (Flint).
I have ranked Macneal above Hurley based on some information. I am mainly confused between UToledo, Cook County and Macneal. Also, I would rank Cook County above MacNeal.
I want to know which program will give me an edge over securing fellowship (mid-tier) in-house or elsewhere. Does the Toledo and Cook County offer equal fellowship opportunities. Cook county has huge no/. of residents while Toledo have fewer while they both offer same in-house fellowships. Regarding location, we are willing to go to Toledo even at my wife's career expense. She is ready to take a bit of hit in her career as she wants me to take a lead in terms of career. Which program has a good reputation of being resident of. If I rank Cook County as #1, does UToledo comes #2 or #3 after Macneal.
Really appreciate your help.

Ranjit,

I think it depends on where you want to be and what you want to do. From what you said, Cook County as #1 seems fine. #2 depends on whether you want to do fellowships. If so, doing it in a program that has a better fellowship match rate would be better, and as an IMG, having in-house fellowship helps.

 

[whatup2016]

I'd appreciate some feedback. These are all IM program. Current aspirations Heme/Onc. I'm Canadian, so I'll have a break between residency and fellowship and so obviously a place that will give me the most exposure or research opportunities would be best.

My list is nothing like the lists I've seen above... Lol


Current ranking:

SUNY upstate
Maimonides medical center
St. Marys hospital, CT
Jewish hospital Cincinnati, OH
St. Barnabas hospital, NJ
Uni Alabama Montgomery
St. Elizabeth Youngstown
Redmond regional mc, Rome
Mercy Catholic Medical Center, Darby, PA
Mercy St. Vincent Toledo

Feedback is very much appreciated!!

 

[hopefulmed89]

Trying to figure out my top 5 aside from my #1. Interested in cards but keeping an open mind.

Cornell, northwestern, wash U, mount sinai... clearly a big city preference but I loved Wash U... the people, the PD, the research opportunities, everything except the city .

I understand that my training at any of these institutions will be great so I'm hoping to figure out where I'll get a well rounded experience among relatable and chill (enough) colleagues. I know this is medicine, so the experience probably won't be bad anywhere... but when you're stuck on call you at least want to not be surrounding by not-so-pleasant people. I also don't know what to take from interview days since residents were all so happy everywhere, everyone has autonomy, and "no one really ever breaks duty hours."

Cornell vs. mount sinai: I struggle to figure out whether its worth it living in NYC for multiple reasons: busier because of frequent admissions, high cost of living, programs have a rep for being more unfriendly. On the other hand, I absolutely love NYC and I have a lot of family and friends in the east coast. Sinai residents seem to have a better work/life balance and definitely better subsidized housing options. But I think Cornell had a stronger PD and may have a slightly better rep, two things that could help during fellowship training.

NW: loved the PD, loved the residents I met, had a great turnout on the pre-interview dinner which makes me think they have a good work/life balance. But rep for having less than diverse patient population (I don't think I got this sense during the tour) anyone have better insight? Either way I think my training there would be thorough.

 

[PatNanym]

Please help me rank these programs:
IMG on J1 Visa planning on going into Cardio or GI. This is my tentative rank order list:

1. Baystate Medical Center, Springfield MA
2. Mount Auburn Hospital, Cambridge MA
3. Steward St. Elizabeth Medical Center, Boston MA
4. University of Arizona South Campus, Tucson AZ
5. St. Vincent Hospital, Worcester MA
6. University of Miami Palm Beach Regional/JFK Medical Center, West Palm Beach FL
7. University of Miami Holy Cross Hospital, Fort Lauderdale FL
8. Unity Hospital/Rochester Regional Health, Rochester NY
9. Crozer Medical Center, Philadelphia PA

Thanks.

Any thoughts, people?

 

[tryptophan321]

Having a hard time ranking UC Irvine or OHSU as my number one.

I had a good gut feeling about both. I'm from Oregon originally, but that's not a huge factor in my decision. Wondering on which program you all think is overall the better program. I'm also planning on doing a cardiology fellowship if that changes anything.

OHSU is way way way way better than UCI.

 

[mrheisenberg]

Please help me rank these programs:
IMG on J1 Visa planning on going into Cardio or GI. This is my tentative rank order list:

1. Baystate Medical Center, Springfield MA
2. Mount Auburn Hospital, Cambridge MA
3. Steward St. Elizabeth Medical Center, Boston MA
4. University of Arizona South Campus, Tucson AZ
5. St. Vincent Hospital, Worcester MA
6. University of Miami Palm Beach Regional/JFK Medical Center, West Palm Beach FL
7. University of Miami Holy Cross Hospital, Fort Lauderdale FL
8. Unity Hospital/Rochester Regional Health, Rochester NY
9. Crozer Medical Center, Philadelphia PA

Thanks.

Mount Auburn is Harvard affiliated so they have a bunch of transitional/prelim HMS students.. Otherwise, I don't know any of these programs, these are all small community programs and it's tough to land in a Cards or GI fellowship coming from any of these places.. I would rather take a closer look at these programs to see if there's any one that offer in-house fellowships and go from there..

 

[EMorIM]

I wonder why mayo always gets such a bad rep (besides it being in Rochester)? I found it to be on par or better than the schools listed.

Maybe I'm just weird and really fell for the program.

"Miracle whip" refers to the Arizona and Florida branches of mayo (AKA "fake mayo"... Get it?)

 

[THH]

Trying to figure out the top of my list. Ideal location is Kentucky, but the program really doesn't get much discussion on SDN and just curious how significantly it could affect my fellowship options to rank it above the others. Interested in cards. Thanks.

Minnasota
Iowa
Indiana
Cleveland Clinic
Cincinnati
Kentucky
Georgetown
UT-Houston

 

[GOLDMARK]

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[235009]

Also, any thoughts on BU and Emory? Planning on ranking them low since they both seemed malignant and the residents seemed unhappy but I only have a one-day picture.

Wondering why you thought that about BU because it is far from true.
It's also a great option for primary care but that depends on what kind of primary care you're interested in (worried well, affluent population, good health literacy vs. underserved, homeless, poor access to care, immigrants)

 

[GOLDMARK]

Wondering why you thought that about BU because it is far from true.
It's also a great option for primary care but that depends on what kind of primary care you're interested in (worried well, affluent population, good health literacy vs. underserved, homeless, poor access to care, immigrants)

Impression was based mostly on interaction with residents. Turnout at pre-interview dinner was low, residents were cliquey and didn't seem particularly interested in interacting with students. The lack of enthusiasm and turnout was concerning during lunch as well.

 

[fasteddie911]

I'm having trouble ranking Yale, WashU, Mt. Sinai, and Mayo. Not planning on sub-specializing (likely primary care or hospitalist), no location preference. They all seemed comparable to me so I'm having a hard time ranking them one way or another. Also, any thoughts on BU and Emory? Planning on ranking them low since they both seemed malignant and the residents seemed unhappy but I only have a one-day picture.

If you're not planning on specializing then I would just rank them on your personal feel as they will all give you the training to be a solid PCP or hospitalist. Which program did you feel like you would click best with as far as culture, personality or vibe? In defense of BU and Emory, residency and work in general is tiring, sometimes you just don't want to make small talk and want to catch up with co-workers you haven't seen in awhile.

Trying to figure out my top 5 aside from my #1. Interested in cards but keeping an open mind.

Cornell, northwestern, wash U, mount sinai... clearly a big city preference but I loved Wash U... the people, the PD, the research opportunities, everything except the city .

I understand that my training at any of these institutions will be great so I'm hoping to figure out where I'll get a well rounded experience among relatable and chill (enough) colleagues. I know this is medicine, so the experience probably won't be bad anywhere... but when you're stuck on call you at least want to not be surrounding by not-so-pleasant people. I also don't know what to take from interview days since residents were all so happy everywhere, everyone has autonomy, and "no one really ever breaks duty hours."

Cornell vs. mount sinai: I struggle to figure out whether its worth it living in NYC for multiple reasons: busier because of frequent admissions, high cost of living, programs have a rep for being more unfriendly. On the other hand, I absolutely love NYC and I have a lot of family and friends in the east coast. Sinai residents seem to have a better work/life balance and definitely better subsidized housing options. But I think Cornell had a stronger PD and may have a slightly better rep, two things that could help during fellowship training.

NW: loved the PD, loved the residents I met, had a great turnout on the pre-interview dinner which makes me think they have a good work/life balance. But rep for having less than diverse patient population (I don't think I got this sense during the tour) anyone have better insight? Either way I think my training there would be thorough.

All those programs are more or less the same, but if you think you may want to stay in NYC for fellowship, maybe lean towards the NYC programs. However, if you're thinking of doing fellowship elsewhere, I would lean towards the non-NYC programs. As far as workplace environment and location, that's all subjective and up to how you felt on the interview day.

 

[jdh71]

Having a hard time ranking UC Irvine or OHSU as my number one.

I had a good gut feeling about both. I'm from Oregon originally, but that's not a huge factor in my decision. Wondering on which program you all think is overall the better program. I'm also planning on doing a cardiology fellowship if that changes anything.

OHSU by a mile

 

[glialman]

I'm having trouble ranking Yale, WashU, Mt. Sinai, and Mayo. Not planning on sub-specializing (likely primary care or hospitalist), no location preference. They all seemed comparable to me so I'm having a hard time ranking them one way or another. Also, any thoughts on BU and Emory? Planning on ranking them low since they both seemed malignant and the residents seemed unhappy but I only have a one-day picture.

I never got that impression at BU but there was low resident turnout at the social but probably because they work till 7 most days. I didn't think the residents I met at the lunch were unhappy at all and the match list was actually really good.

I interviewed at most of the schools you speak about and if location and specialty is not important than I would probably rank Wash U, mayo (so much outpatient time which is great for primary care and seemed to be the least demanding of all the schools you listed), sinai, and yale. However, rochester Mn was pretty boring and the yale PC program I hear is really good (maybe even stronger than sinai's PC program). Not sure if you applied to those specific tracks though.

 

[glialman]

Trying to figure out my top 5 aside from my #1. Interested in cards but keeping an open mind.

Cornell, northwestern, wash U, mount sinai... clearly a big city preference but I loved Wash U... the people, the PD, the research opportunities, everything except the city .

I understand that my training at any of these institutions will be great so I'm hoping to figure out where I'll get a well rounded experience among relatable and chill (enough) colleagues. I know this is medicine, so the experience probably won't be bad anywhere... but when you're stuck on call you at least want to not be surrounding by not-so-pleasant people. I also don't know what to take from interview days since residents were all so happy everywhere, everyone has autonomy, and "no one really ever breaks duty hours."

Cornell vs. mount sinai: I struggle to figure out whether its worth it living in NYC for multiple reasons: busier because of frequent admissions, high cost of living, programs have a rep for being more unfriendly. On the other hand, I absolutely love NYC and I have a lot of family and friends in the east coast. Sinai residents seem to have a better work/life balance and definitely better subsidized housing options. But I think Cornell had a stronger PD and may have a slightly better rep, two things that could help during fellowship training.

NW: loved the PD, loved the residents I met, had a great turnout on the pre-interview dinner which makes me think they have a good work/life balance. But rep for having less than diverse patient population (I don't think I got this sense during the tour) anyone have better insight? Either way I think my training there would be thorough.

It seems liked you enjoyed Wash U the most. I don't think St. Louis is really a bad city at all. Not as much as in Chicago or new york to do but overall I think is a great mid tier city. As far as the rest, if you are positive about fellowship in New York and wanna do GI would probably lean Sinai, heme/onc Cornell, but if you wanna do fellowship elsewhere then I think Cornell carries a stronger national name otherwise I think the other specialties in New York would be equivalent opportunities from either of those schools. I also think Cornell housing is better than sinai housing but not sure about if the costs are significantly different among the two.

I feel like you would see diversity at northwestern based on what I've heard from people currently there and from it being in a large city. And I don't think it would be a problem coming back east for fellowship but of course tends to be easier if you're in the same region for residency. NW is also far more Cush in relation to the nyc programs as well you listed but you will still come out just as well trained (your residency just won't be as busy).

Probably would end up, for you, Wash U > NW > Cornell/Sinai. It really depends on if you wanna be in New York for residency though right. From what I've heard, you have to really wanna live in New York because the programs tend to be more busy and far more demanding.

 

[235009]

Impression was based mostly on interaction with residents. Turnout at pre-interview dinner was low, residents were cliquey and didn't seem particularly interested in interacting with students. The lack of enthusiasm and turnout was concerning during lunch as well.

I'm sorry you felt that way. I can assure you that characterization of the resident is far from true. Toward the end of the interview season some fatigue tends to set in with interview socials and so turnout does dip a little in late Dec and Jan. In general the events are capped at a dozen residents though so as not to overcrowd the venue. That being said I would still encourage you to go with your gut when ranking. Good luck!

 

[PatNanym]

Mount Auburn is Harvard affiliated so they have a bunch of transitional/prelim HMS students.. Otherwise, I don't know any of these programs, these are all small community programs and it's tough to land in a Cards or GI fellowship coming from any of these places.. I would rather take a closer look at these programs to see if there's any one that offer in-house fellowships and go from there..

Thank you!

 

[Resin7]

Hey everyone. Thank you all for the great insights so far, always fun to read. If anyone could comment on my list. Thanks in advance!

1-2. MGH vs JHH

Don’t care about the city so much. Both are excellent programs. JHH has better fellowship opportunities for me. MGH has better research opportunities, more flexibility to create your own curriculum.

3. Yale

Just loved the the program/ residents. Great research opportunities, but likely less reputable than some of my 4-7 options. Didn’t dislike New Haven. Any specific reasons to think that ranking Yale so high would backfire?

4-7. Wash U vs UTSW vs Vanderbilt vs BIDMC

Struggling with the order. Loved Wash U and UTSW the most out of this pack. Mostly based on teaching didactics and respective PDs. New Parkland hospital is a spaceship. Like the research opportunities at Wash U, Vandy and BIDMC.

8. Mayo

Loved it, but can’t easily see myself in Rochester. Relatively benign schedule.

9. UPMC

Great program, happy residents, but didn’t fall in love.

 

[ranboot]

Ranjit,

I think it depends on where you want to be and what you want to do. From what you said, Cook County as #1 seems fine. #2 depends on whether you want to do fellowships. If so, doing it in a program that has a better fellowship match rate would be better, and as an IMG, having in-house fellowship helps.

thanks!
I am seeing that Toledo has in-house fellowships (same no. as cook county) and their in-house fellowships to residents ratio is about 4 times than cook county's. Moreover, in Toledo significant number of in-house fellowships are given to the residents while at Cook County in-house fellowships given to residents are low. However, overall from online forums and droximity site, it seems that cook county residents percentage match to fellowships is little higher than Toledo. DOes this means cook county residents have more chances than toledo residens to match in outside fellowships. and does it implies residents from Cook County have an extra edge.

 

[Aequanimitatis]

Like you Resin7, I also interviewed widely and ranked Yale above many traditional powerhouses and, halfway through my internship here, am very happy with my decision.

Education quality is top notch with a heavy clinical volume and a good amount of autonomy. The program is a family like atmosphere and out of all northeast programs this was the best place to continue to learn and grow.

The PD/his leadership team is absolutely top notch and inspiring to work with and for. There are many unique aspects to the program that I found comparing it nationally across all programs (with the exception of MGH where I did not interview). I chose to come here above places like Stanford/UW/JHH (all phenomenal programs and a fantastic set of programs on your list) because I believed Yale was a place of brilliant, humble minds and would give me one of the most well rounded training experiences in the country.

So in summary, Yale IM is a great #3 on your list and just as worthy as any of your 4-7.

By the way, congrats to everyone on this thread, in 5 months you will all be MDs starting out your most formative training years...what a privilege!

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1-2. MGH vs JHH

Don’t care about the city so much. Both are excellent programs. JHH has better fellowship opportunities for me. MGH has better research opportunities, more flexibility to create your own curriculum.

3. Yale

Just loved the the program/ residents. Great research opportunities, but likely less reputable than some of my 4-7 options. Didn’t dislike New Haven. Any specific reasons to think that ranking Yale so high would backfire?

4-7. Wash U vs UTSW vs Vanderbilt vs BIDMC

Struggling with the order. Loved Wash U and UTSW the most out of this pack. Mostly based on teaching didactics and respective PDs. New Parkland hospital is a spaceship. Like the research opportunities at Wash U, Vandy and BIDMC..

 

[Resin7]

Like you Resin7, I also interviewed widely and ranked Yale above many traditional powerhouses and, halfway through my internship here, am very happy with my decision.

Education quality is top notch with a heavy clinical volume and a good amount of autonomy. The program is a family like atmosphere and out of all northeast programs this was the best place to continue to learn and grow.

The PD/his leadership team is absolutely top notch and inspiring to work with and for. There are many unique aspects to the program that I found comparing it nationally across all programs (with the exception of MGH where I did not interview). I chose to come here above places like Stanford/UW/JHH (all phenomenal programs and a fantastic set of programs on your list) because I believed Yale was a place of brilliant, humble minds and would give me one of the most well rounded training experiences in the country.

So in summary, Yale IM is a great #3 on your list and just as worthy as any of your 4-7.

By the way, congrats to everyone on this thread, in 5 months you will all be MDs starting out your most formative training years...what a privilege!

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, Aequanimitatis! I got the same positive impression of the PD. Among all program leadership, I think Yale is right up there with Wash U, UTSW and MGH. All these program seem to advocate a lot for their residents. I thought Yale strikes a perfect balance of autonomy/ supervision. I was most impressed by the the way residents interacted with each other, which is very important to me. No snobbery anywhere in New Haven. Only negative is iCompare in the ICU, unnecessary pain in my opinion. I hope this changes before match day.

 

[PatNanym]

thanks!
I am seeing that Toledo has in-house fellowships (same no. as cook county) and their in-house fellowships to residents ratio is about 4 times than cook county's. Moreover, in Toledo significant number of in-house fellowships are given to the residents while at Cook County in-house fellowships given to residents are low. However, overall from online forums and droximity site, it seems that cook county residents percentage match to fellowships is little higher than Toledo. DOes this means cook county residents have more chances than toledo residens to match in outside fellowships. and does it implies residents from Cook County have an extra edge.

Being an IMG, if you're looking for competitive fellowships, going into a program that takes in more of its residents into its own fellowships would be a better option. But then you have to factor in other things like your wife's job. Sorry, I haven't interviewed at either of these places so I'm not the best person to advise you on this. The best thing would be to ask the residents at these places. Ultimately it's your decision. Good luck!

 

[gutonc]

I wonder why mayo always gets such a bad rep (besides it being in Rochester)? I found it to be on par or better than the schools listed.

Maybe I'm just weird and really fell for the program.

Did you hear the Whooshing sound? That was the joke going over your head.

 

[wanna_be_happy_doc]

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[buttles123]

From Northern California, interested in Cards/GI. Would love to be close to home but want to maximize my fellowship chances. Any advice?

UCSD
UC Davis
USC
Cedars-Sinai
UCI
Loma Linda
UCLA Olive View
UCSF Fresno
Kaiser Oakland

 

[gutonc]

From Northern California, interested in Cards/GI. Would love to be close to home but want to maximize my fellowship chances. Any advice?

UCSD
UC Davis
USC
Cedars-Sinai
UCI
Loma Linda
UCLA Olive View
UCSF Fresno
Kaiser Oakland

Just like that.

 

[californiaappli1]

From Northern California, interested in Cards/GI. Would love to be close to home but want to maximize my fellowship chances. Any advice?

UCSD
UC Davis
USC
Cedars-Sinai
UCI
Loma Linda
UCLA Olive View
UCSF Fresno
Kaiser Oakland

I think that is a good order . Maybe put davis above ucsd if you want to be closer to home . I would put UCI above USC also.

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

How would you rank the following to match into GI. Also in general are all of these places in the same tier?

Dartmouth, BU, Jefferson, Case, Baylor, Iowa, Utah

I think Utah and Iowa are the strongest places on that list. Then maybe Baylor/Case. Mind you I only interviewed at a few of those places on your list and that was a few years ago so things might be different now.

 

[jdh71]

I would put UCI above USC also.

groce

 

[sixtyminutes]

Am I wrong to assume that someone is better trained coming out of a NYU, BU, Baylor than an Iowa, Wisconsin, OSU, Colorado? While the city schools get overshadowed by other major programs in the area, they have better fellowship match lists than these state schools. So what is the difference in caliber between these types of institutions? Are the residents at the latter just smarter and more academic, while the former are workhorses. And if so, how does that translate to a fellowship PD's point of view.

 

[retro]

Hello, I'm a middle of the road DO student participating in the NRMP match. It's a little awkward posting my ROL amongst all the amazing programs that people put up, but I don't have too many people to give me advice. Any help would be appreciated. My list is as follows.

Lenox Hill, St. Elizabeth's (Boston), LIJ-Forest Hills, Sinai (Baltimore), NYU Lutheran, Seton Hall-Trinitas, Flushing Hospital

Would this be an accurate order? Currently, I don't have specific interest in fellowships, but it'd be nice to end up at a place with fellowship opportunities in case I change my mind in the future.

 

[Rider Kick]

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[235009]

Am I wrong to assume that someone is better trained coming out of a NYU, BU, Baylor than an Iowa, Wisconsin, OSU, Colorado? While the city schools get overshadowed by other major programs in the area, they have better fellowship match lists than these state schools. So what is the difference in caliber between these types of institutions? Are the residents at the latter just smarter and more academic, while the former are workhorses. And if so, how does that translate to a fellowship PD's point of view.

I'm confused by your comment since the fellowships at the large academic institutions tend to be research oriented so they would not be looking for workhorses but "smarter and more academic" residents.

 

[whatup2016]

Can someone please provide input on the following ROL:

Eventually want heme/onc fellowship.

SUNY upstate
Maimonides medical center
Jewish hospital Cincinnati
St. Marys hospital, CT
St. Barnabas hospital, NJ
UAB Montgomery
St. Elizabeth Youngstown

 

[sixtyminutes]

I'm confused by your comment since the fellowships at the large academic institutions tend to be research oriented so they would not be looking for workhorses but "smarter and more academic" residents.

Looking at past rank threads, many have put places like NYU, BU, Baylor below state schools. The clinical training that the grads of these schools is excellent, the research opportunities are great, and the fellowship match lists are great as well. If all of these are the case, why are the state schools being said to be "better" programs for residency? Why wouldn't the PD pick the guy/gal from the graduate of the city school who they know had to face a higher workload than a program which was more resident friendly. Not knocking any of these places, but I am curious how a more grueling place to do residency doesn't translate to a better applicant down the road.

 

[IMreshopeful]

Hey guys, only have 1 interview left and have started thinking about ROL more. Any thoughts on this? Interested in cards.

1) Emory
2) RWJ
3) Maryland
4) NJMS Newark
5) Stony Brook
6) Temple
7) Winthrop
8) St. Lukes Roosevelt (NYC)
9) Penn State
10) VCU
11) Lenox Hill
12) SUNY Downstate

Good list. Would personally move VCU and Temple up under Maryland, RWJ under Maryland and leave Emory at the top. You will be in excellent hands with that grouping.

 

[235009]

Looking at past rank threads, many have put places like NYU, BU, Baylor below state schools. The clinical training that the grads of these schools is excellent, the research opportunities are great, and the fellowship match lists are great as well. If all of these are the case, why are the state schools being said to be "better" programs for residency? Why wouldn't the PD pick the guy/gal from the graduate of the city school who they know had to face a higher workload than a program which was more resident friendly. Not knocking any of these places, but I am curious how a more grueling place to do residency doesn't translate to a better applicant down the road.

I'm still really confused by the point you are trying to make and why you are lumping together IM programs affiliated with state schools as if they are a homogeneous group. UCSF, UWisconsin, and SUNY downstate are in 3 different tiers for instance.

 

[IMreshopeful]

I'm still really confused by the point you are trying to make and why you are lumping together IM programs affiliated with state schools as if they are a homogeneous group. UCSF, UWisconsin, and SUNY downstate are in 3 different tiers for instance.

Agree - UCSF blows the others out of the water in terms of prestige in any case. It's frequently referred to as being in the top 5.

 

[sixtyminutes]

I'm still really confused by the point you are trying to make and why you are lumping together IM programs affiliated with state schools as if they are a homogeneous group. UCSF, UWisconsin, and SUNY downstate are in 3 different tiers for instance.

Sorry, it was just the ones I listed earlier: those similar to Iowa, Colorado, Wisconsin (i.e. mid tiers). Not UCSF or Suny-DS types.

 

[235009]

Agree - UCSF blows the others out of the water in terms of prestige in any case. It's frequently referred to as being in the top 5.

Obviously. You should retire the term "state school" from your vocabulary after you graduate college as it no longer has relevance or meaning.

 

[madcowz]

Are UAB and Wake Forest equivalent programs in terms of reputation and training? For reference, I'm looking at hem/onc or ID as fellowship options.

 

[Resin7]

Are UAB and Wake Forest equivalent programs in terms of reputation and training? For reference, I'm looking at hem/onc or ID as fellowship options.

Most people would probably put UAB over Wake. But no deeper insight into these programs.

 

[maderidiculouslysimple]

I'm having difficulty with how to rank my top three: Stanford (Global Health Track), Hopkins, and U Washington. Hope to go into academic ID or global health with a focus on translational research, and I have a preference to eventually end up on the west coast. Thanks!