***Official 2018 Orthodontic Interviews/Match/Non-Match Results

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Did anyone get an interview to USC yet? They sent an email last week that they will hold interviews in early November and will send out interview invites soon.....
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Dentist1122 said:
Did anyone get an interview to USC yet? They sent an email last week that they will hold interviews in early November and will send out interview invites soon.....
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Yea Invites went out
 
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Has anyone heard back from Roseman about acceptance?
 
Has anyone heard from Roseman yet? The wait is killing me....
 
Does that mean Roseman is letting people know today or not? Anxiety has taken an all time high.
 
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I agree. I don't know if I haven't been accepted or if they just haven't sent them out yet? I've called Ms. Bickford several times and have not yet been able to get through.
 
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T1985T said:
I agree. I don't know if I haven't been accepted or if they just haven't sent them out yet? I've called Ms. Bickford several times and have not yet been able to get through.
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The administration is meeting today and this week Roseman is undergoing a transition period and recruiting for a new program director acceptances will most likely go out Monday !
 
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Y'all are smart, maybe you can help me with this:

I went to two interviews, and know from a very reliable source that they both ranked me. I have no idea where I am in the rank order, but I do know that Program A ranked me a little bit higher than Program B. I'd be happy at either program, but I liked B a little bit more. If I put B in front of A, am I screwing up my chances of matching? Or does it not matter? I know I'm supposed to put my favorite program in the #1 spot, but should I be practical and rank Program A as #1 since I know for a fact that I'm a little higher on their rank order?

Good luck to everyone, and thanks!!
 
Annie1230 said:
Y'all are smart, maybe you can help me with this:

I went to two interviews, and know from a very reliable source that they both ranked me. I have no idea where I am in the rank order, but I do know that Program A ranked me a little bit higher than Program B. I'd be happy at either program, but I liked B a little bit more. If I put B in front of A, am I screwing up my chances of matching? Or does it not matter? I know I'm supposed to put my favorite program in the #1 spot, but should I be practical and rank Program A as #1 since I know for a fact that I'm a little higher on their rank order?

Good luck to everyone, and thanks!!
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This is not how match works. Your rank list should be done based solely on your preference. So in your case, B, then A. If you don't match into B, the computer is now going to attempt to match you into A. The trick to successfully matching somewhere, anywhere, is to be ranked high enough on the program's top spots. So if there are 5 positions and you are in somewhere in spots 1 - 5 on their list, you are going to get an acceptance as long as you put that program somewhere on your list. Which leads to the next point - RANK ALL OF YOUR INTERVIEWS. ALL OF THEM.

10 years later and people still don't understand how match works. Apparently all that increased tuition is not going toward post-grad application help. Send me a message if you don't get it. This is a serious topic.
 
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Does anyone have any advice about 2 vs 3 year programs? Is it worth an extra year of experience to justify a delay in starting a career? How important is it to complete boards cases during residency?
 
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sierra128 said:
Does anyone have any advice about 2 vs 3 year programs? Is it worth an extra year of experience to justify a delay in starting a career? How important is it to complete boards cases during residency?
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You can complete boards cases during a two year reaidency. You just need to hit the ground running.

The only reason to choose a three year program is if it is your only choice. You’ll be ready to really learn in practice after year two.
 
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So how does match work exactly -- why does it take that much time between submission and release of match results?
Do they do several iterations to get the best "fit"/quality control?
 
anyone knows if non-match results usually only come out after the match day?
 
DentalOrthoBR said:
anyone knows if non-match results usually only come out after the match day?
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They usually come out before the match and non-match programs require you to drop out of the match ! but some people don't actually drop out of the match and end up giving up there non match position after they match so spots may open up good luck !
 
Orthoman23 said:
They usually come out before the match and non-match programs require you to drop out of the match ! but some people don't actually drop out of the match and end up giving up there non match position after they match so spots may open up good luck !
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Thank you very much! Good luck too :)
 
When do the emails go out tomorrow? Match says 12pm but I've heard different times from previous years
 
Warren E. Namel said:
When do the emails go out tomorrow? Match says 12pm but I've heard different times from previous years
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I've heard 7am CST (according to a friend who matched last year) and 7:30am CST (according to someone who matched the year before)
 
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Just to clarify - will PASS/Match post the non-MATCH tomorrow ?
 
Congrats to all who matched!
Which Ortho programs have unmatched positions?
 
Does certain school makes you more competitive when you apply ortho? I am looking into applying ortho in the future and are wondering if you guys know which dental schools that will make your applications stronger
 
Anyone interested in doing this stats thing from the past few years? I guess I'll start!

Name of Ortho Program: Boston school
Dental School Attended: Pennsylvania school
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2018
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): no
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/not sure yet- just took it last week
ADAT Score: 710 overall, 99% percentile
GRE Score: 159v, 156qr, 4.0wr
Class Rank: 1st (4.0 GPA)
Match/Non-Match: Match only
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Chemistry research in undergrad, some ortho research in dental school. Several presentations, nothing published
Extracurriculars: Multiple clubs, volunteering, mission trips,, some leadership positions, part time work
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 16/8/8/8

I was pretty confident going into it, but the process really wears you down. There are no guarantees for anyone. I got rejected from half the schools I applied to, and I didn't match at my top choice. In the end, I feel lucky to have gotten a position. Stay positive everyone!
 
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Name of Ortho Program: in Texas
Dental School Attended: Dental school in Europe
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2016
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: None
International Student (yes/no): yes
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/ NA
ADAT Score: N/A
GRE Score: 161v, 165qr, 4.0wr (For the fellow international students : TOEFL Score : 108)
Class Rank: Top 25% (Excellent GPA in my country but didn’t look good as a US equivalent)
Match/Non-Match: Only in 3 year programs
Externship(s)/where: Nothing significant. Observation externships in several hospitals (mostly in orthognathic surgery). Clinical experience as a dentist and orthodontic assistant in private practice
Research: some minor ortho research in dental school. several presentations, award winning project in national dental congress (not ortho), no publications
Extracurriculars: volunteering, software development
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 11/4/4/accepted non-match offer


The overall process of applying as an international student was much harder than I thought. Please feel free to pm me for more details!
I did not expect to have any interview invites… or a non-match offer from my first choice.
This forum helped me a lot!
Thanks!
 
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Name of Ortho Program: Southern School
Dental School Attended: Southern School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2018
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: No
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/Pass
ADAT Score:
GRE Score: 158q, 158v, 4w
Class Rank: 1/91
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad and Dental School research, presentations and 2 publications
Extracurriculars: Clubs, volunteering
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 13/9/7/7 (two conflicts)

Thanks SDN, hope this helps someone in the future
 
Name of Ortho Program: Northeast School
Dental School Attended: Southern School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2018
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: No
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/Pass
ADAT Score:
GRE Score: 162q, 164v, 4w
Class Rank: 1/65 (4.0 GPA)
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: 2 California schools
Research: Undergrad and dental school research, presentations and no publications
Extracurriculars: Lots of clubs, volunteering, and organized dentistry involvement
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 10/9/6/6
 
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Warran E. Namel said:
Anyone interested in doing this stats thing from the past few years? I guess I'll start!
ADAT Score: 710 overall, 99% percentile
GRE Score: 159v, 156qr, 4.0wr
Class Rank: 1st (4.0 GPA)
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 16/8/8/8
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Goes to show how crazy competitive ortho is. Rank 1, 99 percentile ADAT,. decent GRE... still only received interview invites from half the programs. No research I guess? Tough stuff!

Congrats to those that matched! And to those that didn't - know the application process is crappy and random sometimes... but instead of feeling down, focus on building your assets and looking inward to see what even more you can bring to the table this next cycle.
 

Do a GPR and then apply for a hospital based residency. Your chances of acceptance are much higher especially if you are a relatively competitive applicant who just happened to not match. If you aren't competitive at all, do the internship. It's not guaranteed but you will likely be accepted to the program you intern at as long as you aren't completely weird. Another option is to just work, make money and then reapply however this route is only recommended for competitive applicants since programs do not value clinical private practice experience as much as they should. Good luck

Also if you are super desperate - make sure you apply to the new georgia school. It's 18 residents and about 300k+ in tuition. I don't recommend this route but if you want to be an orthodontist and you can't get in, this is always an option.
 
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Steins;Gate said:
Did you interview at either of the 2 schools? Did you find the externship improved your candidacy as your stats were already pretty much at the very top?
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I ended up not applying to either of the schools. The externships were only brought up in one interview, so no I don't think they improved my candidacy. I did them to see if I'd like the programs or if I could see myself doing residency at either of them. I ended up liking other programs a lot more. I'm sure they look great if you end up applying to the programs though.
 
smellycarabelli69 said:
Do a GPR and then apply for a hospital based residency. Your chances of acceptance are much higher especially if you are a relatively competitive applicant who just happened to not match. If you aren't competitive at all, do the internship. It's not guaranteed but you will likely be accepted to the program you intern at as long as you aren't completely weird. Another option is to just work, make money and then reapply however this route is only recommended for competitive applicants since programs do not value clinical private practice experience as much as they should. Good luck

Also if you are super desperate - make sure you apply to the new georgia school. It's 18 residents and about 300k+ in tuition. I don't recommend this route but if you want to be an orthodontist and you can't get in, this is always an option.
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Isn’t NYU Ortho also 300k+ in tuition and accepts 11 applicants? How about Penn? Does the cost of a program truly correlate to desperation or make someone “super desperate”? Don’t see much of a difference if the end result is the same. So if someone went to NYU or Penn for dental school that makes them desperate because they went to expensive schools? I don’t think so, man... With ortho being one of the most competitive if not the most competitive specialty... I wouldn’t say desperate is the correct word. Perhaps your chances are better in the more expensive/larger programs... doesn’t mean these programs have their red carpet rolled out for you. Take what you get and stay humble. Becoming a dentist and or specialist is an achievement not everyone can attain. Let’s not have a big head... If you want to be an orthodontist, work hard and do what’s right for you. Attending a low cost tuition program doesn’t make you any better of an orthodontist. Go down the route that suits you best. Best of luck to all!
 
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Isn’t NYU Ortho also 300k+ in tuition and accepts 11 applicants? How about Penn? Does the cost of a program truly correlate to desperation or make someone “super desperate”? Don’t see much of a difference if the end result is the same. So if someone went to NYU or Penn for dental school that makes them desperate because they went to expensive schools? I don’t think so, man... With ortho being one of the most competitive if not the most competitive specialty... I wouldn’t say desperate is the correct word. Perhaps your chances are better in the more expensive/larger programs... doesn’t mean these programs have their red carpet rolled out for you. Take what you get and stay humble. Becoming a dentist and or specialist is an achievement not everyone can attain. Let’s not have a big head... If you want to be an orthodontist, work hard and do what’s right for you. Attending a low cost tuition program doesn’t make you any better of an orthodontist. Go down the route that suits you best. Best of luck to all!
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Tuition doesn’t always correlate with desperation. The key difference is these other programs you mention are well established and qualify for federal student loans. Unless something has changed Georgia school of ortho does not. 300k+ at 11% interest private bank loan and no federal loan forgiveness is desperation. This combined with a likely nonexistent education makes it not worth it in my opinion. It’s definitely a route to getting a certificate though and if somebody can pay for it then sure why not.

Admissions | Georgia School of Orthodontics Refer to section 5.
 
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Choosing which residency to attend is multifactorial and in the end it comes down to what you want. The value of those factors like the Cost of a program, hospital based vs university based, MS vs Certificate and program length are weighted differently for each individual. I had several options and I matched at my first choice and although I would of been happy at any program I was fortunate enough to be able to choose the one which suited me and the needs of my family the best.
 
I am a student from a northeast dental school that matched to another ortho school in the northeast. I just went through Match and I will tell you this much as an applicant who matched. This is what I learned from this long and stressful process.

PSA to anyone applying for next year: Every school is extremely insecure about you wanting to go there. They want sure bets to go to their school so they get their "top picks". Convince every school you interview at with extreme passion that they are the best school in the world and you could only see yourself there. Do this or you will end up screwed. I met #1s on the trail who did not match the previous year for this very reason, if you think it wont happen to you because you have the best scores in the world and you can just sit back and let schools fight over you, you are wrong and will be in for a rude awakening come match day.
 
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ToothDude said:
I am a student from a northeast dental school that matched to another ortho school in the northeast. I just went through Match and I will tell you this much as an applicant who matched. This is what I learned from this long and stressful process.

PSA to anyone applying for next year: Every school is extremely insecure about you wanting to go there. They want sure bets to go to their school so they get their "top picks". Convince every school you interview at with extreme passion that they are the best school in the world and you could only see yourself there. Do this or you will end up screwed. I met #1s on the trail who did not match the previous year for this very reason, if you think it wont happen to you because you have the best scores in the world and you can just sit back and let schools fight over you, you are wrong and will be in for a rude awakening come match day.
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This is true. Schools have pride and want to get the people they rank highly. They don't like to drop down on their lists.
 
Hi everyone

Congratulations on the results! How is it all going?

I am preparing to apply this coming cycle and was hoping for some advice on the GRE? How long/what materials would you suggest using for preparation to achieve a competitive score?
 
AP1111 said:
Hi everyone

Congratulations on the results! How is it all going?

I am preparing to apply this coming cycle and was hoping for some advice on the GRE? How long/what materials would you suggest using for preparation to achieve a competitive score?
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I used Manhattan Prep, and I was very pleased with my results. My actual exam was much easier than their practice exams and the material I had studied, so I felt over prepared and less stressed during my exam. It took me about 3 weeks (of studying every day) to get through all of their books and to take 2 practice exams.
 
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AP1111 said:
Hi everyone

Congratulations on the results! How is it all going?

I am preparing to apply this coming cycle and was hoping for some advice on the GRE? How long/what materials would you suggest using for preparation to achieve a competitive score?
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I used Magoosh, it was an excellent resource. I studied for 2 weeks and I did very well. I took a practice exam from Manhattan Prep and it was harder than the actual thing but made me feel prepared. I did not practice the writing section at all, just focused on math and reading.
 
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Name of Ortho Program: CA School
Dental School Attended: East Coast School
Year Earned DMD/DDS: 2018
AEGD/GPR/Fellowship/Residency: No
International Student (yes/no): No
NBDE Part I/II scores: Pass/Pass
ADAT Score: Didn't take
GRE Score: 158q, 156v, 4.5w
Class Rank: No Rankings
Match/Non-Match: Match
Externship(s)/where: None
Research: Undergrad and dental school research 7yrs total, Multiple presentations and publications. Journal Editor.
Extracurriculars: Multiple club positions, Lots of extracurriculars and volunteering. Multiple scholarships, research awards.
Programs Applied to/Interview Invites/Interviews Attended/Programs Ranked: 18/12/8/7
 
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