PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

[Santygrass]

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Dina is already winning anyways so I'll just test it

Unyeet Dinashadow
Yeet Sporty

 

[Santygrass]

@SportPonies where are thou

 

[Viscernable]

Tbh I think I am a but too lenient with the noobs because I am going by the bigger game.

Even if I think a noob did something very wolfy, I am tending more to highlight what makes me raise and eyebrow without being too opposed to them if it makes sense?

So I think the read of me being somewhat soft on Veggie tonally is true but I think I kinda treated Matt/Mighty somewhat similarly .

Anyways I think I had something from Mighty quoted but I think If Dina is not here idk if that applies to them as well wowee

On ISOing your posts I kind of agree with your assessment of how you’ve handled the new players. Mostly applying to matt, also to Wonda. Overall though you haven’t really been hard on anyone, and by that I don’t mean you haven’t pushed anyone, but it’s definitely been a very free-flowing tone where you seem open to hearing from anyone you’re voting/suspecting instead of playing at all aggressive. I think that’s probably NAI for you since you kinda change your style a bit game to game and I don’t recall there being consistency in tone/amount of aggression/tunnelling between your scum games here. If anything I’d say you’ve been hardest on mighty, though.

Also there was a thing when early on D2 you said you didn’t want to keep a vote on Sporty because it was applying unproductive pressure that just made her unmotivated to catch up and you wanted to wait until tomorrow to figure out what to do with her. Then late on D2 you decided it was a bad idea to give more time a slot that had lots of suspicion from page 1. What changed?

 

[Santygrass]

Also there was a thing when early on D2 you said you didn’t want to keep a vote on Sporty because it was applying unproductive pressure that just made her unmotivated to catch up and you wanted to wait until tomorrow to figure out what to do with her. Then late on D2 you decided it was a bad idea to give more time a slot that had lots of suspicion from page 1. What changed?

I thought the pressure there was not productive. It didnt meant I wanted them to live another day. Idk if I am making sense with semantics here.

But its more like , even if I intended to yeet Sporty at the end, getting my vote there for a whole day wasnt going to change anything or force Sporty to post more. So I gave them room and tried pressuring another slot. If by day close Sporty did something Villagey , I wasnt going to vote back there. I thought that was unlikely but didnt said it and wanted to see how it played out.

At the end , Sporty didn't do much so I just went back as how I intended .

 

[Viscernable]

Eh I still don't think Miranda is a wolf here fwiw

For same reasons as earlier, with the tone/approach shift to being much more confident and willing to stand out? Are there other reasons as well?

 

[Santygrass]

For same reasons as earlier, with the tone/approach shift to being much more confident and willing to stand out? Are there other reasons as well?

Those reasons + I think they also had earlier post calling out somewhat at Veggie (Not a big plus, but at least not a bad look) + Their vote and unvote to Mighty I think comes more often from a villagey mindset than a wolfy one

 

[Wondalfy]

if anyone wants insight into my mind, here is a message I debated sending for like 10 minutes:

also, I think there's a pretty good chance I'll die tonight, if for no other reason than I am simply on too many people's village leans now. which is why I announced my next votes early depending how dina flips lol. so there's that. but now by saying I'll die, will the wolves think village will protect me and decide to kill someone else instead? or will village now not protect me because they think wolves would not kill me because I brought up someone protecting me? or maybe there is no protection role?

or maybe I'll be killed because my susses are right, or maybe I won't be killed because they're completely wrong. or maybe my susses are right and killing me would make it too obvious that they were right? or maybe my susses are wrong and killing me would make it seem like the people I sussed are wolves when they're not?

oh, it's an endless cycle of mind games

I hope everyone knows this is what is going through my mind constantly lmao

 

[Viscernable]

I mean she was the first one on your vote yesterday

She brought attention to you, obviously.

It is interesting to me that miranda and Dina were the ones to point out SAR’s death possibly being to protect Wonda, without (as far as I’ve seen) having noted it could have been to protect Veggie. Obviously that was a valid interpretation at the time so I’m not saying it’s incompatible with village, but that interpretation still shields Veggie from sus based on SAR’s death, so some wolf points.

Overall from ISOing miranda I haven’t been able to move her out of neutral. There’s a huge shift in approach from last game, but it’s such a exagerrated tunnel that I question if it’s done as a deliberate “sound as little like my last wolf game, which is fresh in everyone’s mind, as possible” strategy

 

[mightyrunner7]

Those reasons + I think they also had earlier post calling out somewhat at Veggie (Not a big plus, but at least not a bad look) + Their vote and unvote to Mighty I think comes more often from a villagey mindset than a wolfy one

I have a few more replies to make, but since I just caught up on thread, I wanted to weigh in here. I think there are two ways to read the Miranda waffle on me:
1. Village doing their best to make a read and then make it off when it didn't look right
2. Wolf who had their pack mention that my vote against veggie would be hard to explain away

I personally think that a natural villager would have found a different target before moving their vote, while a wolf would have immediately backed down due to pressure from the pack

 

[Animal Midwife]

if anyone wants insight into my mind, here is a message I debated sending for like 10 minutes:

also, I think there's a pretty good chance I'll die tonight, if for no other reason than I am simply on too many people's village leans now. which is why I announced my next votes early depending how dina flips lol. so there's that. but now by saying I'll die, will the wolves think village will protect me and decide to kill someone else instead? or will village now not protect me because they think wolves would not kill me because I brought up someone protecting me? or maybe there is no protection role?

or maybe I'll be killed because my susses are right, or maybe I won't be killed because they're completely wrong. or maybe my susses are right and killing me would make it too obvious that they were right? or maybe my susses are wrong and killing me would make it seem like the people I sussed are wolves when they're not?

oh, it's an endless cycle of mind games

I hope everyone knows this is what is going through my mind constantly lmao

A little WIFOM is healthy for everyone. In all honesty though, there's nothing harmful about sharing reads.

 

[Viscernable]

Don't think I really changed. I opened with that I am cautious of mighty because my previous experience, that still stands. I just don't think there is enough sus to warrant a vote at this time.

Did you ever elaborate on what specifically was sus about mighty? I haven’t been able to find an explanation from you

 

[miranda920]

1. Village doing their best to make a read and then make it off when it didn't look right

It's this one, I run on like 4 hours of sleep so my brain doesn't always work properly at this time in the day lol

 

[genny]

ok so i reread D1.

Not extensive and all irl. So I'm still learning forum and all-written play.

It really was the first thing that came to mind for sure a quick selfvote/unvote. It doesn't seem like a thing a wolf would do to put a target on their back so quickly. Also seems like a weird village thing to do for similar reasons, and as an entrance no less. 3P may feel more free to do something like that though.

i feel like veggie + matt got into a lil trouble at the start with the self-vote and 3P thing, so i imagine them in wolf chat together thinking that they're both going down. so they decide that veggie has to bus matt/sporty to survive. seems to be going OK. matt has 4 votes, veggie has 2, lots of people haven't voted yet, but they seem to be doing some good distancing. and then things start to cool off a little for matt/sporty, the village starts bringing up other names. so maybe matt wouldn't be in danger if veggie wasn't voting there.

I feel a little bad piling on Wonda but they are pinging on the sketchy meter. I don't think they're in a pack with Matt rn, but I won't close that door. I do think Wonda is a good player though.

I think Miranda's questioning has been pretty good on them so far. Leaning more village on her rn.

idk if veggie was white knighting miranda or what. but she walks back the wolf read a lil on matt/sporty and starts with the sus on wonda.

I'm thinking Wonda is the most wolf. Mighty may also be wolf. I don't think Wonda and Matt are in a pack together, which is why I don't necessarily think Matt is a wolf. I don't want to reboil old water on Matt, but Matt is sus to me as well.

and then this is when veggie finally does switch off matt/sporty, and it's just about the hedgiest thing i've ever read. if matt's village, why switch at all?

 

[genny]

unyeet miranda
yeet sporty

 

[miranda920]

Did you ever elaborate on what specifically was sus about mighty? I haven’t been able to find an explanation from you

I think I had mentioned early on that it was more a bias, which is not a fair read on my part. In our noob game I sussed mighty from the get-go and got myself killed for it. In my opinion, my tone in that game (although only for a day) is pretty similar to my tone here. I was the innocent child there.

In that game mighty while not wolf from the start, was converted to wolf and they won that game.

Again, it was mostly based on bias which is not great sleuthing on my part.

 

[supershorty]

The Battle of Spaghettisburg - Day 3 Tagliatally

Dina (4) - AM, Sporty, Wondalfy, miranda
miranda ()
Vis ()
genny (2) - mighty, samac
mighty ()
Sporty (2) - Santy, genny

@Dinashadow, you are in the lead!

8/11 voting
Missing: @Dinashadow, @mkg323, @Viscernable

Vote closes tonight, 2/11, at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm FST (~1.5 hours).

 

[mightyrunner7]

ok so i reread D1.

i feel like veggie + matt got into a lil trouble at the start with the self-vote and 3P thing, so i imagine them in wolf chat together thinking that they're both going down. so they decide that veggie has to bus matt/sporty to survive. seems to be going OK. matt has 4 votes, veggie has 2, lots of people haven't voted yet, but they seem to be doing some good distancing. and then things start to cool off a little for matt/sporty, the village starts bringing up other names. so maybe matt wouldn't be in danger if veggie wasn't voting there.

idk if veggie was white knighting miranda or what. but she walks back the wolf read a lil on matt/sporty and starts with the sus on wonda.

and then this is when veggie finally does switch off matt/sporty, and it's just about the hedgiest thing i've ever read. if matt's village, why switch at all?

Genny, this is pretty great investigate work and a solid theory. I've been working on my explanation for why I find you the most sus, but posts like this don't make it easy

Of course, is sporty does end up village, this would be read differently, but I'm liking a sporty vote more and more at the moment

 

[Wondalfy]

I think I had mentioned early on that it was more a bias, which is not a fair read on my part. In our noob game I sussed mighty from the get-go and got myself killed for it. In my opinion, my tone in that game (although only for a day) is pretty similar to my tone here. I was the innocent child there.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

what do you find different in your tone between the first game and last game then?

 

[Viscernable]

I did admittedly bus chaos during the black goo debacle but that was the only time

This is probably true, but haven’t you also said you have no problem with bussing?

 

[Viscernable]

And Tbh, I might walk back and just yeet Sporty. Idk, this sorta feels a little too much DADV .

Dina didnt do much today (kinda explained why) but thread got super stale with her as wagon and that gives me the heebie jeebies

Heebie jeebies about Dina or about Dina’s wagon?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Heebie jeebies about Dina or about Dina’s wagon?

It'd have to be Dina's wagon since he mentioned DADV.

 

[miranda920]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

what do you find different in your tone between the first game and last game then?

well similar to the first game and this one, I am not a wolf, so therefore I'm not as worried about being sussed out. I'm just enjoying my time. I think I had a full back and forth with mighty about a star wars conspiracy theory? It was kind of absurd haha

Last game I was traveling so that made keeping up difficult, but I was intentionally trying to lay low and not bring any unnecessary attention to myself.

I can only speak on how I view myself, obviously, other people can have their own opinions

 

[Viscernable]

I think they also had earlier post calling out somewhat at Veggie (Not a big plus, but at least not a bad look)

Which post?

 

[Santygrass]

Heebie jeebies about Dina or about Dina’s wagon?

Moreso threadstate indicating that Dina may be village.

I dont think its a particular bad feeling about the wagon itself? Because wolves could just easily take one step back and just let the wagon ket loose without instigating it much?

But also Sporty is in the wagon hmmyes

 

[miranda920]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

what do you find different in your tone between the first game and last game then?

Also, I'm a TERRIBLE liar. That's why when you outed me last game, it was over for me right then and there.

 

[Santygrass]

Which post?

I remember one in specific in where they were calling Veggie logic to not be right?

But Im looking in the ISO and not finding it wowee istg that was someone else that'll be one good skill issue

 

[mightyrunner7]

This post doesn't sit well with me for some reason. You're doing the same thing as Veggie is doing - overly explaining why you don't want to take a stance one way or another. Yes, it's the first day, but everyone should be able to defend why they are voting why they are voting, even if that defense is, "idk they don't sound the same as last game" or "I voted to get a response from them" or "I agree with player X and will follow their guidance".

Confidence of accuracy can be low, yes, but everyone should be able to justify to some extend why they are voting why they are voting.

There are plenty of role possibilities that have knowledge besides the wolves. (see: mothy and Kat in the noob game).

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@VeggieTrex I want to know who you're reading wolf right now.

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Here's my read list:

Sus because of content of posts: Veggie (I explained why previously), mightyrunner (see above), matt (ditto what everyone's been saying)

Sus because vibez feel different than previous games: AM, miranda, Wonda (not because of matt defense, I want to point out)

Idk because not enough posts: mkg

Idk because you're hard to read: Dubz, Clem, samac

Village lean: genny, Dina, SAR, Santy, Vis

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I'm also strangely sus of anyone who finds me villagey on D1 lmao.

Is it possible Chica died due to this early read list?

The veggie info was already known, and I am going to take tbe liberty and assert that the wolves didn't kill her because she was sus early on me (again, veggie vote)

That leave Matt/sporty, AM, Miranda, and Wonda. Again, most of us have made a village read of Wonda, but I find interesting the the other 3 are all sus or low neutral for me.

I could be reading too much into early Chica analysis, but I found this worth sharing, since I'm not sure there has been much other discussion on why Chica was chosen

 

[Animal Midwife]

Is it possible Chica died due to this early read list?

The veggie info was already known, and I am going to take tbe liberty and assert that the wolves didn't kill her because she was sus early on me (again, veggie vote)

That leave Matt/sporty, AM, Miranda, and Wonda. Again, most of us have made a village read of Wonda, but I find interesting the the other 3 are all sus or low neutral for me.

I could be reading too much into early Chica analysis, but I found this worth sharing, since I'm not sure there has been much other discussion on why Chica was chosen

She was killed N2 not N1.

 

[Santygrass]

Ironically, these reads seem like a jump to me. It was sus and unusual to self-vote, but it was also obviously a joke. For the second part, I don’t see what “it wouldn’t be weird to me for a friend to joke around with me putting a snap joke vote on me” has to do with “I trust my friends aren’t wolves”?

Aight, I found the post I was thinking of.

It wasn't from miranda huh....



This is peak villager gameplay

 

[Viscernable]

I think AM, Dubz, and SAR have been providing some good thoughts and questions.

Miranda made a pretty late entrance and has a good cover, but I'd still like to see some more from her.

Clem has been quite but that seems normal, still not sure what to do there.

I feel like chic is always a good player even though she's got a vote on me rn.

Rule of threes giving a wolf point on AM and maybe on miranda or chic

 

[Santygrass]

*Quietly Moves Vis up in readlist*

 

[Viscernable]

Wait not chic

 

[Santygrass]

Rule of threes giving a wolf point on AM and maybe on miranda or chic

Chic is for sure a wolf

 

[Santygrass]

We are pretty far, but I can hear chic's howls from here pretty clear

 

[WildZoo]

see I ordered mine opposite so my name was at the bottom. what does that say psychologically about me? 🤔

YES WOLVES AT THE TOP

Wonda is a good egg, making lists the correct direction

 

[Animal Midwife]

Rule of threes giving a wolf point on AM and maybe on miranda or chic

Or maybe this entire list was villagers.

 

[genny]

YES WOLVES AT THE TOP

Wonda is a good egg, making lists the correct direction

scum floats

 

[Viscernable]

ok so i reread D1.

i feel like veggie + matt got into a lil trouble at the start with the self-vote and 3P thing, so i imagine them in wolf chat together thinking that they're both going down. so they decide that veggie has to bus matt/sporty to survive. seems to be going OK. matt has 4 votes, veggie has 2, lots of people haven't voted yet, but they seem to be doing some good distancing. and then things start to cool off a little for matt/sporty, the village starts bringing up other names. so maybe matt wouldn't be in danger if veggie wasn't voting there.

idk if veggie was white knighting miranda or what. but she walks back the wolf read a lil on matt/sporty and starts with the sus on wonda.

and then this is when veggie finally does switch off matt/sporty, and it's just about the hedgiest thing i've ever read. if matt's village, why switch at all?

Okay after rereading Veggie’s ISO I agree. I really like this theory.

Vote Sporty

 

[Animal Midwife]

Rule of 3s is used to refer to a suspicion post as well.

 

[miranda920]

I remember one in specific in where they were calling Veggie logic to not be right?

But Im looking in the ISO and not finding it wowee istg that was someone else that'll be one good skill issue

Here ya go, I think these were what you were thinking about

Spoiler: early slight sus of veggie

As a noob wolf in the previous game, this tracks. Ultimately my sussing of Fluff for being 3p eventually led me to get outed as a wolf. Chic pretty much nails it in this summary. So this definitely makes me a little more concerned about Veggie, but again more of a yellow/orange flag rather than an immediate red.

Maybe veggie and matt are in a pack together? 👀

 

[samac]

if anyone wants insight into my mind, here is a message I debated sending for like 10 minutes:

also, I think there's a pretty good chance I'll die tonight, if for no other reason than I am simply on too many people's village leans now. which is why I announced my next votes early depending how dina flips lol. so there's that. but now by saying I'll die, will the wolves think village will protect me and decide to kill someone else instead? or will village now not protect me because they think wolves would not kill me because I brought up someone protecting me? or maybe there is no protection role?

or maybe I'll be killed because my susses are right, or maybe I won't be killed because they're completely wrong. or maybe my susses are right and killing me would make it too obvious that they were right? or maybe my susses are wrong and killing me would make it seem like the people I sussed are wolves when they're not?

oh, it's an endless cycle of mind games

I hope everyone knows this is what is going through my mind constantly lmao

There’s a pretty good chance I die tonight too. I’m going to try and get some legacy reads on thread but also keep up with threads while managing some aggressive patients, I advise you to do the same on the legacy reads aspect.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Finally getting around to this. Obviously my list is a little diff now so here we go.

Sus because of content: Veggie (the 3p discussion from yesterday), Wonda (poor defenses, she has been consistently leaning on the "wolves wouldn't do XYZ because it's too obvious" logic, offered up jailor/roleblock mechanic pretty quickly, finds me not-so-sus lol), matt/Sporty

Still sus because vibes lol: AM

Neutral: samac, Dubz, runner (hasn't posted a lot which is very different than noob game vibes where they were first an important village role then a converted wolf - I would expect they would be more vocal if they were wolfy), mkg (need more posts!)

Village leans: genny (solely on vibes + similar tone from last game), Dina (), miranda (very different vibes than her previous wolf game), Santy (ditto, also just vibes), Vis (also ditto, has overall felt helpful/wolf-hunting aligned)

Previous village lean that ended up being true: SAR


Aroooooooo~

I just haven't been posting much this game. I've leaned towards posting general strategy posts early (general discussion of how 3p is not beneficial to talk about, etc.) And of the things I have posted, I made a pretty poor claim ("samac is hard to read because did she hasn't given many opinions"), leading to AM, Dubz, and samac herself pointing out I was stretching. (In reality, I skimmed her ISO + she is just hard to read because my vibes-dar isn't working on her, but I felt some pressure to justify why I couldn't read her so I did stretch my excuse).

In short, sucky gameplay lol.

Waiting for all you WIFOMers to come in and be like "idk why would a wolf purposefully say they would find themselves wolfy?!?!"

As AM pointed out, Chica was killed on N2, and here is her 2nd read list. This again has both sporty and AM, which gives them a few more sus points in my book

 

[Viscernable]

I think I had mentioned early on that it was more a bias, which is not a fair read on my part. In our noob game I sussed mighty from the get-go and got myself killed for it. In my opinion, my tone in that game (although only for a day) is pretty similar to my tone here. I was the innocent child there.

In that game mighty while not wolf from the start, was converted to wolf and they won that game.

Again, it was mostly based on bias which is not great sleuthing on my part.

But a bias isn’t a reasoning to be suspicious of someone. It’s an underlying factor making you suspicious of someone. “I’m suspicious of x because I’m biased to be suspicious of them” doesn’t make sense. “I’m suspicious of x because of y, but also I’m biased to be suspicious of them so take that with a grain of salt”, or “I was suspicious of x, but in hindsight my reasoning was bogus and it’s just because of my bias but I didn’t realize it at the time”, or “I’m biased to be suspicious of x so I’m making a note to only wolfread them if I have really good reason to” all make sense, but that does not. What was your reasoning, not the underlying cause?

 

[Santygrass]

Here ya go, I think these were what you were thinking about

Yeh, I saw those in the ISO I did of you, but that wasnt the one I was thinking about, it was the one it ended up being Vis. Like, I thought you called out some veggie logic being wrong so that was a good enough mark for me.

Now I revoke that point ig because that is not much of a sus moreso than could be a wolf blending so its pretty much moot.



First I call you amanda and now this tbh.

At this point I am not surprised . At some point I just have to embrace my skill issue

 

[Viscernable]

It'd have to be Dina's wagon since he mentioned DADV.

Oh I thought that was a game reference. What’s DADV?

 

[Santygrass]

Oh I thought that was a game reference. What’s DADV?

Dead Air , Dead Village

 

[Animal Midwife]

Oh I thought that was a game reference. What’s DADV?

Dead Air, Dead Villager

Essentially if no one cares about the leading wagon, then it's a misyeet. Obviously this isn't a hard and fast rule, but it can be helpful if you have a solid grasp on the gamestate.

 

[Santygrass]

Like, when you feel like there is much chaos with the wagons, you say that is an indicator of a wolf being in contention there and the pack was throwing chaos or whatever.

Dadv is the opposite read of that

 

[supershorty]

The Battle of Spaghettisburg - Day 3 Tagliatally

Dina (4) - AM, Sporty, Wondalfy, miranda
miranda ()
Vis ()
genny (2) - mighty, samac
mighty ()
Sporty (3) - Santy, genny, Vis

@Dinashadow, you are in the lead!

9/11 voting
Missing: @Dinashadow, @mkg323

Vote closes tonight, 2/11, at 10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm FST (~55 minutes).

 

[Viscernable]

well similar to the first game and this one, I am not a wolf, so therefore I'm not as worried about being sussed out. I'm just enjoying my time. I think I had a full back and forth with mighty about a star wars conspiracy theory? It was kind of absurd haha

Last game I was traveling so that made keeping up difficult, but I was intentionally trying to lay low and not bring any unnecessary attention to myself.

I can only speak on how I view myself, obviously, other people can have their own opinions

Well this all definitely does not assuage my concerns that miranda’s shift in approach is deliberate