PokeWWon: A Wild Kanto Adventure - Champs Season 12 Practice Game Thread

[samac]

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Yeet mad

 

[Animal Midwife]

okay so I had a dream Zenge did that little exhale thing he does

I just didn't want this to be forgotten in case there's a deeper meaning

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet mad

Oho?

 

[madrigal01]

Yeet mad

Heyo??

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I feel like moon has more scum equity than mad

 

[samac]

I feel like moon has more scum equity than mad

I did not like how she reacted to me mentioning her at all last night and when she voted genny the vote was tied 2/2/2 with genny and mayo on the board.
She does not get to coast on her vote today.
She must do more than coast on that vote today.

 

[supershorty]

okay so I had a dream Zenge did that little exhale thing he does

I just didn't want this to be forgotten in case there's a deeper meaning

The 2 people who laugh reacted this before me have no idea what you're talking about because they've never been in VC with us, and still laugh reacted it

 

[Animal Midwife]

Obligatory I appreciate y'all for going beyond just the post minimum so I have plenty to analyze and interact with.

 

[SARdoghandler]

A transformer just exploded and my entire peninsula lost power so that's... Fun.

Anyway, I now have no Internet and 5% battery on my phone so I'll be back tomorrow once the power is (hopefully) restored

I want to go back and iso moon tomorrow because I remember something she said sounded weird to me later on D1 (I think I mentioned it earlier?) but now I can't remember what it was but worth revisiting. That will be on my to-do once I am capable

(Spoiler: still ill also. Hopefully that, too, will be resolved tomorrow)

 

[moonstermash]

D3 Running Vote Tally

Spoiler

D3 Waterfall - Alive players

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D3 Waterfall - Ded players

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D3 Piles

Spoiler

 

[SARdoghandler]

Live footage of SAR's mermaid rock:

 

[KayJayQueue]

To those with meta - does Clem actually solve in mafia? Does he do anything AI? I’m not understanding what he’s doing this game. It’s like his entire ISO is antispew. Help me understand this please.

 

[Animal Midwife]

To those with meta - does Clem actually solve in mafia? Does he do anything AI? I’m not understanding what he’s doing this game. It’s like his entire ISO is antispew. Help me understand this please.

Very rarely but it is in his capabilities. I saw him do it on SDN and get N1'd. He also did it on MU to pull out the right moves and hammer the last wolf.

 

[Clem J]

I like this game

 

[madrigal01]

I mean, alright, we can talk about this!

I did not like how she reacted to me mentioning her at all last night and when she voted genny the vote was tied 2/2/2 with genny and mayo on the board.
She does not get to coast on her vote today.
She must do more than coast on that vote today.

1. I saw you mentioned me and wanted to ask you about it, that's about all that happened. Like you said, been kinda coasting (I guess noob status helps a little there), so was excited to maybe be iso'd or be part of any other discussion.
2. I don't think that's true? There are s o m a n y posts here and I was getting ready to go to class but I'm pretty sure I voted genny when she was majority or was talked up to be. No matter what, if I was a wolf and had the opportunity to sway the vote away from genny or mayo that first night, why wouldn't I take that option/vote for whoever the third person was?
3. Let me know what I can do to sway your opinion, as I offered last night (or overreacted as you claim). Finally starting to get my bearings game-wise and while I'm pretty far from creating spreadsheets I'm happy to help!

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To those with meta - does Clem actually solve in mafia? Does he do anything AI? I’m not understanding what he’s doing this game. It’s like his entire ISO is antispew. Help me understand this please.

Clem solves in both alignments. He doesn't do it the way that you or I might, but he solves. He has solved in this game too. He hails from a community that was so deeply meta-driven that players really didn't explain their reads very often. It wasn't necessary. People dropped in, gave off-the-cuff takes, and a trusted "town advisor" type would indicate who is or is not wolfy. Then the team voted accordingly via POE process.

Clem brings that mindset to any game, including this one. It looks like "not solving" and "being exclusively a goofball" to the untrained eye, but he really does Do Things. You just have to try to see the process that he isn't explicitly typing for you.

In this game, I have not really seen an enduring process from him that makes me trust him.

 

[moonstermash]

D1 Running Tally
D2 Running Tally
D3 Vote Sheets

Just to make things more convenient for y'all.

 

[Clem J]

I will not be tryharding until the point I start tinfoiling Jay

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@madrigal01 could you please indicate how you feel about samac? Do you trust her? Distrust her? Something in between? I'd appreciate if you could explain your viewpoint to whatever extent you're able.

 

[Clem J]

Clem solves in both alignments. He doesn't do it the way that you or I might, but he solves. He has solved in this game too. He hails from a community that was so deeply meta-driven that players really didn't explain their reads very often. It wasn't necessary. People dropped in, gave off-the-cuff takes, and a trusted "town advisor" type would indicate who is or is not wolfy. Then the team voted accordingly via POE process.

Clem brings that mindset to any game, including this one. It looks like "not solving" and "being exclusively a goofball" to the untrained eye, but he really does Do Things. You just have to try to see the process that he isn't explicitly typing for you.

In this game, I have not really seen an enduring process from him that makes me trust him.

I would say I'm usually more "visibly solvy" as mafia but I play sporadically these days I'm not sure even my self meta is accurate anymore

 

[Clem J]

*play so sporadically

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would say I'm usually more "visibly solvy" as mafia but I play sporadically these days I'm not sure even my self meta is accurate anymore

I think what I haven't really seen from you this time is a POE, though I could be mistaken. I don't remember one off-hand.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If mayo is mafia

Dina
KJQ
samac
AM
madrigal

moonster
SAR
Clem
PSV

This is where my work from Day 3 left me. I think it's fair for samac to reconsider madrigal, so I'll let that play out. Otherwise I am pretty comfortable with this for the moment. I will continue to dig though, especially in my green names, and try to be vigilant.

As of right now, we have four opportunities to kill the last mafia. I think it's reasonably safe to say we've avoided the mafia vigilante, so they won't be able to steal a day from us.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Clem solves in both alignments. He doesn't do it the way that you or I might, but he solves. He has solved in this game too. He hails from a community that was so deeply meta-driven that players really didn't explain their reads very often. It wasn't necessary. People dropped in, gave off-the-cuff takes, and a trusted "town advisor" type would indicate who is or is not wolfy. Then the team voted accordingly via POE process.

Clem brings that mindset to any game, including this one. It looks like "not solving" and "being exclusively a goofball" to the untrained eye, but he really does Do Things. You just have to try to see the process that he isn't explicitly typing for you.

In this game, I have not really seen an enduring process from him that makes me trust him.

All he’s (seemingly) done is vote me for my Day 1 posts and then when pressed on it… eventually unvoted and votes mayo. He also voted vamp for a bit D2 while she was lining him up as her biggest sus before she was killed. If he’s done anything else noteworthy, it wasn’t memorable to me in any way, so maybe someone can correct me.

This does nothing to tell me he’s town. So is there a reason I shouldn’t think he’s scum?

Does anyone have a read on Clem one way or another?

 

[Clem J]

I think what I haven't really seen from you this time is a POE, though I could be mistaken. I don't remember one off-hand.

I've had more of a loose towncore than a proper poe

I haven't really needed one tbh this game has been smooth

 

[Clem J]

All he’s (seemingly) done is vote me for my Day 1 posts and then when pressed on it… eventually unvoted and votes mayo. He also voted vamp for a bit D2 while she was lining him up as her biggest sus before she was killed. If he’s done anything else noteworthy, it wasn’t memorable to me in any way, so maybe someone can correct me.

This does nothing to tell me he’s town. So is there a reason I shouldn’t think he’s scum?

Does anyone have a read on Clem one way or another?

I'll take the credit but I don't think I voted mayo d1

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

D1 Running Tally
D2 Running Tally
D3 Vote Sheets

Just to make things more convenient for y'all.

I appreciate the efforts. You didn't say as much on Day 3 in the way of reads development, so could you give a quick summary of how you feel about things?

 

[Animal Midwife]

I like this game

What about it do you like?

 

[Clem J]

What about it do you like?

We've killed two mafia and the mech has been mostly easy

 

[Clem J]

What isn't to like lol

 

[moonstermash]

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - SAR, genny
Zenge (2) - moon, mayo
samac (2) - PSV, vampyrica
Santy (1) - Zenge
KayJayQueue (2) - Clem, AM
genny (2) - JJJ, Santy
Vampyrica (1) - samac

Not voting: @Dinashadow @madrigal01 @KayJayQueue
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 62 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
- We are not going to include post counts here because we know we won't keep up with them, but DubZ did add the information about how to find your own post count to the FAQ section of the opening post

- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

Unvote vamp

If she’s a brick wall tomorrow I’m not letting up.

I have class in 5 minutes, so I have to get going. I have little suspicion, but like y'all said it's mostly been based on meta of which I have none being noob. Not proud of bandwagoning, but I quite literally have nothing to go off of so 🤷‍♀️

#### yeet Genny ####

Madrigal voted genny up and out of a 5-way tie that also included mayo. I can see why this alone isn't clearing, tbh, especially given genny's meta of being bussed. However, I do still think the post with the vote isn't wolfy, and I don't remember madrigal making any attempts to be cleared off the vote, which is what I typically expect a bussing wolf to do. (Insert disclaimer about newbies here.)

I agree the bar for towniness should continue to be raised today, though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

What isn't to like lol

idk I guess I hoping it was just something specific to your perspective so I could read into it.

 

[KayJayQueue]

I'll take the credit but I don't think I voted mayo d1

I said you were voting me (all 3 days) with the reasoning given D3 as “her day 1 posts” and yesterday you were voting me and then unvoted me and voted mayo. That was D3.

 

[Clem J]

idk I guess I hoping it was just something specific to your perspective so I could read into it.

Sorry lol

I mean I'm happy I haven't had to really do heavy lifting if that helps

 

[Clem J]

I said you were voting me (all 3 days) with the reasoning given D3 as “her day 1 posts” and yesterday you were voting me and then unvoted me and voted mayo. That was D3.

Ah ok, I gotcha. If it helps I'm probably gonna look at associatives today

Maybe

TBD

 

[samac]

I mean, alright, we can talk about this!


1. I saw you mentioned me and wanted to ask you about it, that's about all that happened. Like you said, been kinda coasting (I guess noob status helps a little there), so was excited to maybe be iso'd or be part of any other discussion.
2. I don't think that's true? There are s o m a n y posts here and I was getting ready to go to class but I'm pretty sure I voted genny when she was majority or was talked up to be. No matter what, if I was a wolf and had the opportunity to sway the vote away from genny or mayo that first night, why wouldn't I take that option/vote for whoever the third person was?
3. Let me know what I can do to sway your opinion, as I offered last night (or overreacted as you claim). Finally starting to get my bearings game-wise and while I'm pretty far from creating spreadsheets I'm happy to help!

No I went back and looked. You voted genny when zenge, genny, and mayo (any maybe me?) were all tied with about a hour to go.
I don’t like it
But I’m not going to dwell on that.
I want to know who you trust, who you don’t trust, and who you think is wolfy. And why. Pls.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

All he’s (seemingly) done is vote me for my Day 1 posts and then when pressed on it… eventually unvoted and votes mayo. He also voted vamp for a bit D2 while she was lining him up as her biggest sus before she was killed. If he’s done anything else noteworthy, it wasn’t memorable to me in any way, so maybe someone can correct me.

This does nothing to tell me he’s town. So is there a reason I shouldn’t think he’s scum?

Does anyone have a read on Clem one way or another?

Memorable is in the eye of the beholder. He has given reads, contributed to dialogues, and discussed mechanics. In that sense, he has been a part of the solving process.

I have Clem in my POE. I don't have a good reason to call him town. I will also acknowledge, however, that I rarely do in any game. I would suggest trying to read Clem with methods other than do his posts look classically "solvy" in the ways that would make me feel better, because that's not happening regardless of his alignment.

On occasion in other games I have town read him for having reasonably similar views of the game as I do, or for having a contrarian view that reveals in his favor -- even if I don't know why he has those reads. I haven't felt that way in this game. I've had a less clear impression of his views than usual.

 

[moonstermash]

I think I'm roughly here?

Towny:
JJJ
AM/samac

Less towny:
madrigal
PSV
SAR

Not towny enough:
KJQ
Clem J

However, I could easily see KJQ/Clem both being town, and scum lurking in my middle tier, or worse, my top tier. On the plus side, I'll probably be dead before I have to worry about it too much! Lol

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I'm roughly here?

Towny:
JJJ
AM/samac

Less towny:
madrigal
PSV
SAR

Not towny enough:
KJQ
Clem J

However, I could easily see KJQ/Clem both being town, and scum lurking in my middle tier, or worse, my top tier. On the plus side, I'll probably be dead before I have to worry about it too much! Lol

That KJQ read ought to be a major priority for you to expand on today.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Ah ok, I gotcha. If it helps I'm probably gonna look at associatives today

Maybe

TBD

Sounds good

 

[moonstermash]

That KJQ read ought to be a major priority for you to expand on today.

o7

 

[samac]

Madrigal voted genny up and out of a 5-way tie that also included mayo. I can see why this alone isn't clearing, tbh, especially given genny's meta of being bussed. However, I do still think the post with the vote isn't wolfy, and I don't remember madrigal making any attempts to be cleared off the vote, which is what I typically expect a bussing wolf to do. (Insert disclaimer about newbies here.)

I agree the bar for towniness should continue to be raised today, though.

Eh, I think everyone has cleared her for her so she hasn’t had to make attempts to clear herself.

I’d also like to note around this vote mayo had had more (me and AM) and we had moved around I think after genny was gone so that vote may have had to stick.

The only caveat I’ll give if you gotta bus your vig shot or bus your strong arm I’m likely going strong arm. Unless they didn’t think genny could make it to N2.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i like what santy, jjj, SAR, and Clem have done so far.

so far he's a shining beacon of village unification. enough that i'm not interested in voting there, and may opt to sheep depending on how the rest of the day goes.

i'm sorry but this jj feels nothing like the jj that duped lawpy. that's my yardstick.

Stating the obvious, JJJ is clearly and aggressively town
Santy and SAR appear both have been active and Santy is trying to solve

AM voting on me early because she is frustrated I'm not playing the way she wants me to is very on brand for D1 village AM. I don't think she would try that play as a wolf since she knows I'll call her on it.

PSV and Moon are both village leans right now

Of the votes on me genny feels the most disingenuous. Path of least resistance without having to justify it later. I expect more from Genny

Samac said scum on the list above, but it's more that she feels off. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is distracted by her monopoly tournament, but she's not her normal aggressive villager yet.

Zenge - the JJJ Zenge interactions actually remind me of how Zenge usually catches an early game wolf by noticing something none of the rest of us have.


The three noobs - Need to see more
Dina - need to see more
Clem - Has never been village to my knowledge. Also need to see more.

No, I want to, but she's obviously village

Both of these wolves were completely unwilling to even try to poke the bear (AM or I).

 

[Animal Midwife]

Eh, I think everyone has cleared her for her so she hasn’t had to make attempts to clear herself.

I’d also like to note around this vote mayo had had more (me and AM) and we had moved around I think after genny was gone so that vote may have had to stick.

The only caveat I’ll give if you gotta bus your vig shot or bus your strong arm I’m likely going strong arm. Unless they didn’t think genny could make it to N2.

Still wild in retrospect that genny died for her literal only vote being on a wolf.

 

[samac]

There’s just a weird feeling in the pit of my gut that makes me nervous about the game.
I don’t have a good reason why, we’ve only had one misyeet, likely got the vig (or N2 heal was successful, either way shot gone), still have a doc who can act tonight. We’re in relatively good shape.
But something is nagging me. And I can’t even put a finger on it. Bleh.

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Stating the obvious, JJJ is clearly and aggressively town
Santy and SAR appear both have been active and Santy is trying to solve

AM voting on me early because she is frustrated I'm not playing the way she wants me to is very on brand for D1 village AM. I don't think she would try that play as a wolf since she knows I'll call her on it.

PSV and Moon are both village leans right now

Having a dumb moment of wondering why PSV and moon are white-bold text instead of green if they're village leans.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Memorable is in the eye of the beholder. He has given reads, contributed to dialogues, and discussed mechanics. In that sense, he has been a part of the solving process.

What reads? What dialogues?

I think I'm roughly here?

Towny:
JJJ
AM/samac

Less towny:
madrigal
PSV
SAR

Not towny enough:
KJQ
Clem J

However, I could easily see KJQ/Clem both being town, and scum lurking in my middle tier, or worse, my top tier. On the plus side, I'll probably be dead before I have to worry about it too much! Lol

What else can I possibly do? To be in the same position as Clem on your list honestly feels insulting.

 

[samac]

Still wild in retrospect that genny died for her literal only vote being on a wolf.

Theme can be the breaks of a bus and leave I guess

 

[madrigal01]

@madrigal01 could you please indicate how you feel about samac? Do you trust her? Distrust her? Something in between? I'd appreciate if you could explain your viewpoint to whatever extent you're able.

____________________________________(so full disclaimer who knows if I'm iso'ing correctly but here's my attempt?)______________________________________

HI

YEET MAYO

Right off the bat yeeting mayo, strategy? meta? who knows, not i

lone wolfing to victory

oh okay she's good, be scared

don’t open my role pm until the game starts

oh okay she's good, be scared

You pull mayo off that list right now

immediately hops off the mayo suspicion (while not unyeeting them)? before said mayo ever posted? again no clue what's meta and what's strategy here but okay

Cool. I’m here now.


Village
Village
Wolf
Village
Wolf

Village
Village
Wolf- me
Wolf- vampyrica
Village

Wolf
Village
Wolf
Village
Village

Goes directly for the noobs. hm.

Wheeeee imma get eaten for that less go

Also

Unvote mayo

Oh there we go, tries to dispel suspicion odd but okay. tmi influence?

Are you calling the noob wolfy too sir

Makes fun of someone else doing it when she also did. I am looking.

Mayos village.
It’s not just this poem but that’s just the final nail in the village coffin.

Well that aged like milk

I just think dina is the wolfier of the 2.

Well that aged like milk.

If mayo is wolf scrutinize mad tomorrow pls

Really no clue where this came from and then jumped down my throat when I dared ask. Not a fan.

Conclusion: Super spicy villager or wolf? The world may never know

 

[samac]

Theme can be the breaks of a bus and leave I guess

(It did work in her favor. I was village reading mayo. Good thing zenges was the tracker cause I wouldn’t have followed his ass.)