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[Lupin21]

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A thought crossed my mind so I thought I would share. This is the rant thread. Everyone is entitled to have a rant that reflects how they are feeling at that moment. Agreed that defending one's rant should not happen often, but a rant wishing for a large group of people to express happiness when that isn't what they are feeling is a bit funny when you take step back and look at it from the outside and apply it to the same rant. 🙈

 

[LetItSnow]

Seriously, they have been like this since September...Please don't kill my dreams and tell me that the euphoria is there only during the letter of acceptance...Because I might just withdraw my applications and move to Romania...

Don't worry. The euphoria comes back for a short period before you start clinics. Until those beat you down. Then it comes back again at graduation for a short while. 😉

I (sorta) kid. Vet school is tough. It's the rare student that can keep smiling the ENTIRE time.

 

[twelvetigers]

You don't know pass/fail until you are at the student mailboxes getting out your final exam and grade for a class you knew was close and feel a little poo come out when you see that 69.99 final grade.

Whatever stresses you have had, this one will be new and terrible in ways that you had not yet imagined.

But, by and large, most folks make it through - grey hairs and anal leakage notwithstanding.

 

[orca2011]

Sick and getting belittled for a mistake, which I did make (not a life threatening mistake...just entered the wrong information/study in the computer) but there was a source of confusion. However I was told the source of misinformation was non-existent but higher ups when it's there in plain writing. Trying to brush it off, but I don't need this kind of crap on top of everything else.

 

[dyachei]

I'm sorry but I have to respond. I don't know any of you. But you don't know me either. Just because I said that first year students should be more excited, you assume that I know nothing about vet school. That I think my life will be less stressful in vet school I'd frowned upon. You don't know my life. We might be similar in ways, but way different in others. For me juggling absolutely unrelated things which are not good for anything in the end is stressful. I made a mistake of generalizing that to other people. I know vet school is hard. Heck life is even harder. But i choose to have positive attitude. I struggle with depression and anxiety. I am always preparing ahead, to make sure I will handle it. I did my research, I work at the vet school, I know vet students, veterinarians and professors. I never said vet school is easy. I just want to stay happy no matter what life throws at me. THAT was my point.

I don't need to know you. Nor did I imply that I did. I commented on your comment about just having to worry about pass/fail. That's it. MANY pre-vets come in with the same thoughts. MANY pre-vets are shocked at how different it is. It's friendly advice. Just because you know vets, students, and profs doesn't mean JACK about how YOU will tolerate it. Please, stay happy. I wish the very best for you. But like I tell most pre-vets here...assume positive intent. We're not insulting you or your intelligence. Just sharing our experiences.

 

[LetItSnow]

Ahaha, you think the first years look depressed, you should see the third and fourth years.

When first years go around as a group to the teaching hospital, they look so young and happy. Then as a fourth year, you look around at your rotation mates and realize how old and tired you all look. Like you age so much over the 4 years, it's crazy.

Oh crap. I was already old when I started. I wonder what I look like NOW.

 

[Lupin21]

Oh crap. I was already old when I started. I wonder what I look like NOW.

 

[LetItSnow]

I know every school is different, but how many students do you think leave year to year because they cant handle it?

Heh. I like how you put it as "leave" rather than "kicked out."

The class above us "donated" a couple people to us. (Total class size at umn is 100-105 or so). My class didn't lose anyone for academic reasons other than someone who came from the class ahead of us and continued to struggle. We did lose a couple people over the four years for medical and non-academic reasons. Both excellent students otherwise - just life circumstances.

The bottom line is this: (With places like Ross being the exception,) the vast, overwhelming majority of people who enter will finish. Be reasonably disciplined about studying and you (general you, not YOU) will pass. Same thig for NAVLE - no matter how much y stress about it - and I sure as hell stressed about it - the vast majority pass. We had 2 students who didn't. That's a 98% pass rate after the FALL test, not fall/spring combined.

The level of anxiety that most of us have js vastly disproportionate to the actual risk of failure. Incredibly so.

 

[deleted498041]

I don't need to know you. Nor did I imply that I did. I commented on your comment about just having to worry about pass/fail. That's it. MANY pre-vets come in with the same thoughts. MANY pre-vets are shocked at how different it is. It's friendly advice. Just because you know vets, students, and profs doesn't mean JACK about how YOU will tolerate it. Please, stay happy. I wish the very best for you. But like I tell most pre-vets here...assume positive intent. We're not insulting you or your intelligence. Just sharing our experiences.

The pass/fail thing keeps getting brought up and I feel like that's not the case... For a lot of us, just passing a class is not acceptable. Sweet Jesus, if I "just" had to pass everything, I would breath such a sigh of relief. Unfortunately, for those of us pursuing match that's not really an option. For the discipline I want to go into, I need to maintain at least a 3.5 GPA and stay within the top 25% of my class to even be considered for a residency. So for those pre-vets saying that they will be so relieved when they get to vet school because they "just" have to pass, keep in mind that isn't the case for everyone and sometimes "just" passing is difficult enough on its own.

 

[dyachei]

Heh. I like how you put it as "leave" rather than "kicked out."

The class above us "donated" a couple people to us. (Total class size at umn is 100-105 or so). My class didn't lose anyone for academic reasons other than someone who came from the class ahead of us and continued to struggle. We did lose a couple people over the four years for medical and non-academic reasons. Both excellent students otherwise - just life circumstances.

The bottom line is this: (With places like Ross being the exception,) the vast, overwhelming majority of people who enter will finish. Be reasonably disciplined about studying and you (general you, not YOU) will pass. Same thig for NAVLE - no matter how much y stress about it - and I sure as hell stressed about it - the vast majority pass. We had 2 students who didn't. That's a 98% pass rate after the FALL test, not fall/spring combined.

The level of anxiety that most of us have js vastly disproportionate to the actual risk of failure. Incredibly so.

we lost about 2-4 a year. We also picked up a few throughout. Anatomy 1st year lost us 4

 

[dyachei]

The pass/fail thing keeps getting brought up and I feel like that's not the case... For a lot of us, just passing a class is not acceptable. Sweet Jesus, if I "just" had to pass everything, I would breath such a sigh of relief. Unfortunately, for those of us pursuing match that's not really an option. For the discipline I want to go into, I need to maintain at least a 3.5 GPA and stay within the top 25% of my class to even be considered for a residency. So for those pre-vets saying that they will be so relieved when they get to vet school because they "just" have to pass, keep in mind that isn't the case for everyone and sometimes "just" passing is difficult enough on its own.

exactly. that's why people are responding.

 

[LetItSnow]

Wooaah! I never intended to imply that vet school is not hard or that undergrad compare. I did not mean to imply that by taking 20 credits I know what I am going into, just that even if vet school is 20x harder than taking 20 credits and having fill time job, it should be less stressful because you are trying to just pass or fail...

Noone is trying to say you are not doing enough. My intention for this whole chain was to bitch about vet students expressions, and the wish they would be happier. Hence my dosing them with sugar 😉. Love people, be nice.

It's ok. You didn't go after anyone specifically and it's a pretty legit rant. It sucks when you want something so bad and it seems like the people who have it aren't loving up on it.

Vet school just beats you down. I'm still glad I did it. I was commenting to Dyachei a day or two ago about how damn lucky I feel. Doing what I want (for now), making WAY WAY more than what the reported average new grad salaries are, and - while details can't be public yet - it looks like some changes coming down the road that will make my job even better. Very little to complain about here.

There are positive sides to this. We're all just a grumpy cynical lot by default.

 

[dyachei]

Vet school just beats you down. I'm still glad I did it. I was commenting to Dyachei a day or two ago about how damn lucky I feel. Doing what I want (for now), making WAY WAY more than what the reported average new grad salaries are, and - while details can't be public yet - it looks like some changes coming down the road that will make my job even better. Very little to complain about here.

This. So much this. I'm very happy with my position as practice owner - I get to do what I love the way I want. But vet school was a depressing time in my life. I don't think I felt relief until the end of 3rd year. For like a week.

 

[LetItSnow]

So does it mean something when the vet students and recent grads I know have spent the last couple years asking how I pull off my schedule and stress load? 😉

Not really. It probably just means they are being nice and that they understand that where YOU'RE at that IS a lot for you. It doesn't mean you're carrying the equivalent stress of vet school.

Thing about academic stress is that it's always the hardest where you're at. In high school it's the most you've handled, so it's stressful. In college - oh no, I'm taking 20 credits AND working a job, I'm so stressed! Vet school is worse. From what I hear, residency is tougher.

But you adapt at each step and learn to manage more. So your cup is full at every step even though they are progressively harder.

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm sorry but I have to respond. I don't know any of you. But you don't know me either. Just because I said that first year students should be more excited, you assume that I know nothing about vet school. That I think my life will be less stressful in vet school I'd frowned upon. You don't know my life. We might be similar in ways, but way different in others. For me juggling absolutely unrelated things which are not good for anything in the end is stressful. I made a mistake of generalizing that to other people. I know vet school is hard. Heck life is even harder. But i choose to have positive attitude. I struggle with depression and anxiety. I am always preparing ahead, to make sure I will handle it. I did my research, I work at the vet school, I know vet students, veterinarians and professors. I never said vet school is easy. I just want to stay happy no matter what life throws at me. THAT was my point.

That's a great attitude for you to have if it helps you manage things but don't thrust it upon others. I think the annoyance factor was raised when you said how vet students SHOULD feel.

You don't have the right to tell anyone how they should feel except you.

I think it's great that you have a plan for you to manage the stress.

 

[LetItSnow]

we lost about 2-4 a year. We also picked up a few throughout. Anatomy 1st year lost us 4

Yeah, but where is your school in the US News rankings? I mean, c'mon....

 

[Rewaska]

That's a great attitude for you to have if it helps you manage things but don't thrust it upon others. I think the annoyance factor was raised when you said how vet students SHOULD feel.

You don't have the right to tell anyone how they should feel except you.

I think it's great that you have a plan for you to manage the stress.

Thank you, I did admit I made a mistake of generalizing😉 but again, I just wanted to vent, not start this discussion. That is why i said it here on forum and did not start screaming at everyone yesterday at work to stop being miserable🙂 it was a 'rant', it was not philosophical or judgemental.

Ups I said I was done responding. ..

 

[dyachei]

You have to understand that those of us that are on this site hear a lot of it, so we tend to be a little blunt when we hear it again.

 

[pp9]

I know every school is different, but how many students do you think leave year to year because they cant handle it?

Our dean told us that a general number for most schools is that about 5-6% out of every class will leave the program (voluntarily or not). My class lost two before we even took our first exam. One told people is was because she couldn't afford it, I'm not sure about the other.

 

[pp9]

Gotta admit, I am TERRIFIED of what I am about to take on next year as a vet student.... Even as someone with decent stats going in, I question myself pretty regularly if I will be smart enough or capable of tackling this monster. This thread is definitely confirming the validity of my fears.

I definitely didn't feel smart enough during the lecture quarter. Now that we're on rotations, I feel like I'm on solid ground again. I'm definitely not trying to insinuate that I'm some kind of genius in either setting, but a lot of questions that our faculty shoot at us I can already answer based on experience (I just can't always extrapolate it to the complex physiology involved or whatever). I'm with classmates that did well academically, but didn't know what a California mastitis test was because they've never been around dairy cattle. I was able to teach them about it and share something I knew (and I had to ask for help during the lecture quarter). Everyone has their strengths, and there's nothing wrong with having to work harder on something and be more confident in something else.

 

[pp9]

Wooaah! I never intended to imply that vet school is not hard or that undergrad compare. I did not mean to imply that by taking 20 credits I know what I am going into, just that even if vet school is 20x harder than taking 20 credits and having fill time job, it should be less stressful because you are trying to just pass or fail...

Noone is trying to say you are not doing enough. My intention for this whole chain was to bitch about vet students expressions, and the wish they would be happier. Hence my dosing them with sugar 😉. Love people, be nice.

Not everyone is just trying to aim for a C! Everyone on here has already tried to knock some sense into me about this, but I am trying to aim for the best grades I can get (which may still have been a C, but we won't talk about that....) because I am shooting for a residency down the road. Plus, in order to have my best chances at internships in Michigan (so I can finally be with my boyfriend and we get get things going in that regard), I need to be as competitive as possible.

Edit: Sorry for the three posts in a row...I don't know why I didn't just make one long one.

 

[Minnerbelle]

Oh crap. I was already old when I started. I wonder what I look like NOW.

Get ready for your diaper. It's coming soon.

 

[twelvetigers]

Here's a thread from 2008:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/please-help-me-to-keep-from-vomiting.532050/

And this one:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/vet-student-turned-vet-student.868739/

I had to plod through a lot of my own fluff-butt posts from before vet school days to find those, too.

 

[Minnerbelle]

I know a class that lost like 10% of the first year class, and more as they moved up... Stateside, not any of the new schools.

 

[pp9]

I know a class that lost like 10% of the first year class, and more as they moved up... Stateside, not any of the new schools.

I don't know a number, but one school in particular was having a bit of trouble with attrition until they changed up their admissions process (again).

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

Not really. It probably just means they are being nice and that they understand that where YOU'RE at that IS a lot for you. It doesn't mean you're carrying the equivalent stress of vet school.

Thing about academic stress is that it's always the hardest where you're at. In high school it's the most you've handled, so it's stressful. In college - oh no, I'm taking 20 credits AND working a job, I'm so stressed! Vet school is worse. From what I hear, residency is tougher.

But you adapt at each step and learn to manage more. So your cup is full at every step even though they are progressively harder.

LIS where I've been is not something that even pretends to compare to vet school. That's the joke.

I run a family, a farm and a job and school. But when the vet students in my life comment about how they couldn't handle my stress level, it is not because of silly things like schedules.

I don't care how rough vet school is. If it is more stressful than sitting next to your infant's bedside while you wait for heart surgery on a hole that by all rights should have killed her or left her on respirators, and the repair requires a rapid pressure change that may send her into cardiovascular and pulmonary failure if she doesn't adjust quickly... you are doing it wrong.
If it even pretends to compare to sleeping only 2-3 hours a night for months on end because your kids sleep apnea has gotten so bad you fear for her life and having to handle a lab work heavy grad program while pregnant and doing everything that makes a farm and family run, I can see it, but you really ought to work on your stress levels.... crap like life and death situations for extended periods will wreck you. Get some perspective, if it's that bad, don't do it

Just saying, there are more stressful things than vet school and yes, some people do experience them. I'm okay with you assuming my friends were patronizing me, but you cannot actually say that they were without knowing diddly squat about my life. Yes, we all stare out at the road ahead and hope we are at a peak only to realize it's a foothill. Your advice does work for most traditional students, but I promise you I have earned the title of "the friend you go to when things get bad because she has experienced worse while juggling more."

(That and Super Mom. Just thought I should clarify because I realized this post sounds a bit like I'm trying to compare my "stress dick size." I'm not. 'Cause that was just the tip! 😉)

 

[missdarjeeling]

I don't think you understand how stressful trying to "just pass" is, considering you may face dismissal if you don't achieve it. It's not the same as trying to get an A in undergrad and that is what people are saying. Don't get an A? Oh well. Don't pass? Goodbye vet school.

That's what's terrifying about it. The stakes are so much higher. If you don't get As in undergrad and then don't get into vet school, it's disappointing, but you can move on to plan B without too much of a hassle. You're still young and still have considerable flexibility, and you've only invested 4 years, studying courses that are applicable to other fields. The thought of failing out of vet school and having to start over again with a small mountain of debt is much more terrifying. One of the doctors I work with was telling me about one of her classmates the other day. This person was on probation and was allowed back, but she flunked out during her fourth year. So all that hard work and effort led to tens of thousands of dollars in debt, no degree, and basically no chance of ever finishing that degree. What school would take someone who flunked out during fourth year? And what job are you going to get when you've got a 75% complete veterinary education and likely little experience in other fields? That is so much more stressful and scary than getting a B- in organic chemistry or not getting into school in the first place.

I apologize for even bringing this up, I guess I am not allowed to voice my opinion about how people seem miserable and how is making me depressed.

It sucks being around people who are miserable and unhappy, but you have to realize that other people don't have an obligation to hide their true feelings for your sake and that they don't hold any responsibility for your own feelings. They have a right to feel the way they feel. If it bothers you, then that's honestly your issue to sort out. Telling people who are stressed and under pressure to golly gosh darn I wish you would just cheer up already!! is insulting. I've been on the receiving end of that, even when I was actually depressed and under the spell of impostor syndrome, and all it did was piss me off and make me feel even worse. What those students are feeling is perfectly normal and expected, and it's not right to make them feel guilty about it with a starving-kids-in-Africa attitude. Please try to be a bit more understanding and empathetic.

 

[pp9]

LIS where I've been is not something that even pretends to compare to vet school. That's the joke.

I run a family, a farm and a job and school. But when the vet students in my life comment about how they couldn't handle my stress level, it is not because of silly things like schedules.

I don't care how rough vet school is. If it is more stressful than sitting next to your infant's bedside while you wait for heart surgery on a hole that by all rights should have killed her or left her on respirators, and the repair requires a rapid pressure change that may send her into cardiovascular and pulmonary failure if she doesn't adjust quickly... you are doing it wrong.
If it even pretends to compare to sleeping only 2-3 hours a night for months on end because your kids sleep apnea has gotten so bad you fear for her life and having to handle a lab work heavy grad program while pregnant and doing everything that makes a farm and family run, I can see it, but you really ought to work on your stress levels.... crap like life and death situations for extended periods will wreck you. Get some perspective, if it's that bad, don't do it

Just saying, there are more stressful things than vet school and yes, some people do experience them. I'm okay with you assuming my friends were patronizing me, but you cannot actually say that they were without knowing diddly squat about my life. Yes, we all stare out at the road ahead and hope we are at a peak only to realize it's a foothill. Your advice does work for most traditional students, but I promise you I have earned the title of "the friend you go to when things get bad because she has experienced worse while juggling more."

(That and Super Mom. Just thought I should clarify because I realized this post sounds a bit like I'm trying to compare my "stress dick size." I'm not. 'Cause that was just the tip! 😉)

No one has ever said that veterinary school is more stressful than a sick child, and it's rather ridiculous comparison to make if you ask me. It's not fair that you mock someone else's stress level because you happened to be dealt a crappy hand. I'm sure a lot of us have dealt with unique situations that we found to be more stressful than veterinary school as well.

Also, life events such as the ones you are listed are why veterinary schools work with students to help them be successful in spite of such stressful things.

 

[LetItSnow]

Thank you, I did admit I made a mistake of generalizing😉 but again, I just wanted to vent, not start this discussion. That is why i said it here on forum and did not start screaming at everyone yesterday at work to stop being miserable🙂 it was a 'rant', it was not philosophical or judgemental.

Ups I said I was done responding. ..

Is ok. I think we all get it.

 

[Rewaska]

No one has ever said that veterinary school is more stressful than a sick child, and it's rather ridiculous comparison to make if you ask me. It's not fair that you mock someone else's stress level because you happened to be dealt a crappy hand. I'm sure a lot of us have dealt with unique situations that we found to be more stressful than veterinary school as well.

Also, life events such as the ones you are listed are why veterinary schools work with students to help them be successful in spite of such stressful things.

She is not comparing it, but someone said that her experiences don't compare to vet school before. I second that, get some perspective people. Don't judge others and please just be nice.

 

[LetItSnow]

LIS where I've been is not something that even pretends to compare to vet school. That's the joke.

I run a family, a farm and a job and school. But when the vet students in my life comment about how they couldn't handle my stress level, it is not because of silly things like schedules.

I don't care how rough vet school is. If it is more stressful than sitting next to your infant's bedside while you wait for heart surgery on a hole that by all rights should have killed her or left her on respirators, and the repair requires a rapid pressure change that may send her into cardiovascular and pulmonary failure if she doesn't adjust quickly... you are doing it wrong.
If it even pretends to compare to sleeping only 2-3 hours a night for months on end because your kids sleep apnea has gotten so bad you fear for her life and having to handle a lab work heavy grad program while pregnant and doing everything that makes a farm and family run, I can see it, but you really ought to work on your stress levels.... crap like life and death situations for extended periods will wreck you. Get some perspective, if it's that bad, don't do it

Just saying, there are more stressful things than vet school and yes, some people do experience them. I'm okay with you assuming my friends were patronizing me, but you cannot actually say that they were without knowing diddly squat about my life. Yes, we all stare out at the road ahead and hope we are at a peak only to realize it's a foothill. Your advice does work for most traditional students, but I promise you I have earned the title of "the friend you go to when things get bad because she has experienced worse while juggling more."

(That and Super Mom. Just thought I should clarify because I realized this post sounds a bit like I'm trying to compare my "stress dick size." I'm not. 'Cause that was just the tip! 😉)

No offense - seriously - but I stand by my comment.

And you certainly aren't the first person to have to manage tragic and difficult circumstances. Playing that card ... ok, I'm sorry you've had to deal with that stuff. But it's not a game of one-upmanship, and you certainly aren't the first or the last.

Am I supposed to be impressed by all the cardiovascular and pulmonary and respirator talk? Are you certain I haven't been there or somewhere similar?

And yes, your post comes off as 'stress dick size' comparing. Sorry, but it just does.

 

[LetItSnow]

Get ready for your diaper. It's coming soon.

So THAT'S why the techs keep throwing blue pads at me.

 

[dyachei]

something else to consider about vet school...big life events WILL likely happen. it's 4 years of your life. When I was in vet school I gained a family member (nephew) but couldn't be there, my childhood pet, had family members get sick, had my gallbladder removed during finals, etc etc etc. it doesn't matter. Life happens while you're at vet school. And very often, there's too much to be done, so you have to keep going.

 

[pp9]

She is not comparing it, but someone said that her experiences don't compare to vet school before. I second that, get some perspective people. Don't judge others and please just be nice.

Trying to out-stress someone is a road you just don't go down. You have no idea what they're dealing with or have been through. She literally compared someone's academic stress to her sick child, then said we were wrong for being so stressed because she has experienced something worse. That, my friend, is being judgmental. I could have said "Well my friend's parents lost their child, so you shouldn't be so worried." Now why would I say that? Why try to one up the tragedy someone has experienced with your own?

Heads up, clients will dump their crap on you daily. You may have just experienced something devastating. Do you one up them? No.

 

[LetItSnow]

ANYWAY, point being is that stress is a relative thing.

The most stress someone has been under is the most stress they can handle at that point in their life. Comparing it to someone else's stress is one of the dumber things on the planet.

It's why a 16-year-old facing a whole 45-minute algebra or calculus final or whatever the hell they study at 16 nowadays can be oh-so-dramatically under a ton of stress that looks laughable from 4 years down the road ... and why an undergrad can be dying under the weight of 4 lousy classes and 16 credits - which looks laughable down the road .... and why a vet student can languish - which looks just plain silly from a resident's perspective (probably) ....

Comparing stress is dumb. Organisms undergo stress and they adapt to manage more stress as required by their circumstances. It's not even a uniquely human thing.

Trying to 'compare' one person's level to another utterly misses the point.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

No one has ever said that veterinary school is more stressful than a sick child, and it's rather ridiculous comparison to make if you ask me. It's not fair that you mock someone else's stress level because you happened to be dealt a crappy hand. I'm sure a lot of us have dealt with unique situations that we found to be more stressful than veterinary school as well.

Also, life events such as the ones you are listed are why veterinary schools work with students to help them be successful in spite of such stressful things.

I didn't think I mocked anyone's stress level but my own?
I said it wasn't fair that LIS not only assumed that vet students were patronizing me, but also posted it as a statement. I then offered a snippet of the stress in my life to show my veracity.

School is stressful. Learning in medicine is stressful because there are lives that matter. I wrote what I did because the thread was starting to sound like a bunch of vet students and grads shouting "woe is me!" and "Vet school will eat your soul, spit it out and crush you into a fate worse than death with stress. Run whole you can." I get it. It is tough. It is stressful. I am not in your shoes and cannot feel your feels.

But you also cannot tell me that I won't know real stress until I'm in vet school. Academically, I understand the challenge. I've been in the field and part of academia for too long not to. I am not worried by it because I have experienced worse and I say that with full knowledge of the schedule, the learning involved, the debt, all of it. And the next person to try to tell me otherwise will be shipped my mother. (Careful, she's evil.)

And seriously, if vet school is so horrible that you think there is no stress in the world that could beat it, please find some happy. Take a vacation even if it's a kid's movie. If your stress really compares to the worst ever, you need to go talk to the counselors or find your friend who has seen worse and go cry on their shoulder. It should not be that bad. Heck, one of my friends graduated and moved away. I have an empty spot to listen. Nobody should feel that lost, stressed and broken. (I say that in my Momma Bear voice.) Nobody ever again.

 

[LetItSnow]

I didn't think I mocked anyone's stress level but my own?
I said it wasn't fair that LIS not only assumed that vet students were patronizing me, but also posted it as a statement.

You're overstating what I said to inherently frame my comment negatively. I said "probably". I left room for an unspoken "but I don't really know."

But hey - if you want to make the assumptions that you're accusing me of ..... by all means. I won't stress out over it.

 

[dyachei]

I won't stress out over it.

 

[Rewaska]

You are all comparing and trying to win this argument. I understand why she wrote that, it was a response to a condescending comment.

Noone is going to win this, because we are handle and see things differently and what is important/stressful/hard for you, is not the same for others.

If you are working in Veterinary setting, you should know this well.

 

[hazelmoo]

I am just going to leave this here so we can all be thankful we *hopefully* aren't as weird as any of these people...

I almost died at the cat hair one.

http://offbeat.topix.com/slideshow/...-offbeat&utm_campaign=16177&utm_term=74195010

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

You're overstating what I said to inherently frame my comment negatively. I said "probably". I left room for an unspoken "but I don't really know."

But hey - if you want to make the assumptions that you're accusing me of ..... by all means. I won't stress out over it.

Not really. It probably just means they are being nice and that they understand that where YOU'RE at that IS a lot for you. It doesn't mean you're carrying the equivalent stress of vet school.

I misread it? It doesn't assume that their load is heavier and they are patting me on the head and saying "There, there?" Nor does it imply that I don't understand the "equivalent stress of vet school?"

My bad.

Am I supposed to be impressed by all the cardiovascular and pulmonary and respirator talk? Are you certain I haven't been there or somewhere similar

Definitely not trying to impress. My phone auto correct didn't want to type out the right words so I dumbed it down. I did add descriptors because I was trying to explain how hopeless that situation feels. And no, I don't know if you've been there, I also was not the one that implied you hadn't.

Geez. Point is: Life sucks, then you die. In the mean time, let's live well. Fight the suckiness.
I don't tend to assume that where I'm at is the worst, but I also look at each stressor as a problem to fix. I will just keep adding to my list until I can't anymore. I don't want anyone to feel like they are so buried that there is no way it could get worse. I don't want anyone to feel like vet school, this step stone, is the worst thing they will face. If they do, I want them to recognize it and talk to someone.

Yes, it is reasonable for the students to not be happy around mid terms. Yes, it is reasonable to be upset about mopey students making your job less happy, especially when your job includes euthanasia and HBCs and lots of sad cases. Yes, it is even reasonable to rant about it. It is totally fair to tell pre-vets that they have a mountain of stress coming their way and someday they will not smile too. It is not fair to assume that someone doesn't understand stress, even of the vet school level. It is also not healthy to see that vet school stress as the worst thing ever. I help people when they feel that way. I failed at that here. But those are my points made bluntly and with no humor so they are not misconstrued.

 

[LetItSnow]

I misread it? It doesn't assume that their load is heavier and they are patting me on the head and saying "There, there?" Nor does it imply that I don't understand the "equivalent stress of vet school?"

You're still missing the point. And no, you aren't carrying the equivalent stress of vet school and no, you don't understand it no matter how much you THINK you do. Go back and ready Dyachei's post - she stated it better than I can.

Definitely not trying to impress. My phone auto correct didn't want to type out the right words so I dumbed it down. I did add descriptors because I was trying to explain how hopeless that situation feels. And no, I don't know if you've been there, I also was not the one that implied you hadn't.

Well. You kinda did imply it. I mean, anytime someone says (basically) "Oh YEAH? Well here's all MY stresses" it's pretty much whipping out the stress dick size card that you claimed not to be playing and implying that you suspect it's bigger than the next person's.

Geez. Point is: Life sucks, then you die. In the mean time, let's live well. Fight the suckiness.

Hell's yeah. I agree.

I don't tend to assume that where I'm at is the worst, but I also look at each stressor as a problem to fix.

I applaud that.

Yes, it is reasonable to be upset about mopey students making your job less happy, especially when your job includes euthanasia and HBCs and lots of sad cases.

Yeah. I dunno. There are definitely sad cases, obviously, but I feel like it's not the cases themselves that really stress vets out. It's the circumstances around them - the crappy owners, the crappy boss, the crappy pay, whatever. I mean, I've lost cases that really wrecked my day, but at the end of the day those are SAD cases not STRESSFUL cases. I'm not sure that's a distinction that I know how to articulate well, so it probably doesn't make sense. I like my job.

I help people when they feel that way.

I think you will be a good classmate to have.

 

[Pugsforlove2014]

It's ok. You didn't go after anyone specifically and it's a pretty legit rant. It sucks when you want something so bad and it seems like the people who have it aren't loving up on it.

Vet school just beats you down. I'm still glad I did it. I was commenting to Dyachei a day or two ago about how damn lucky I feel. Doing what I want (for now), making WAY WAY more than what the reported average new grad salaries are, and - while details can't be public yet - it looks like some changes coming down the road that will make my job even better. Very little to complain about here.

There are positive sides to this. We're all just a grumpy cynical lot by default.

It makes me feel so much better when I see posts like this. It means that there's an actual outside world where veterinarians make a bit of money.
On the switch side I think someone mentioned having an SO as being a thing you have to juggle. On the contrary, having hubby there besides me honestly helps me, but I know everyone doesn't have it that easy of course.

 

[LetItSnow]

On a lighter and hopefully less acrimonious level of ranting ....

.... I'm getting really tired of logging into Netflix and finding five bajillion cartoons in the 'Continue Watching for [LIS]' list.

(Yeah, I know, nowadays you can have different users under the same account ... back when we started, it wasn't available ... and when it became available I was too lazy to set it up ... and now I'm paying the price.)

'Top Picks for LIS' should not include Dinosquad, Slug Terra Return of the Elementals, Amazon Jack, Power Rangers, and Bionicle.

 

[alohacat319]

'Top Picks for LIS' should not include Dinosquad, Slug Terra Return of the Elementals, Amazon Jack, Power Rangers, and Bionicle.

The fact that you can name all of those is hilarious to me. I've never heard of half of those, and I'm probably one of the younger people on here. 🤣

 

[twelvetigers]

Only one is familiar to me. The best one.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Only one is familiar to me. The best one.

We weren't allowed to watch this. My childhood was sad.

 

[alohacat319]

We weren't allowed to watch this. My childhood was sad.

WE WEREN'T EITHER. Oh my gosh! Everyone always said my parents were so mean. We weren't allowed to watch this or rugrats. I've never met anyone else who wasn't allowed to watch it.

 

[hazelmoo]

WE WEREN'T EITHER. Oh my gosh! Everyone always said my parents were so mean. We weren't allowed to watch this or rugrats. I've never met anyone else who wasn't allowed to watch it.

Omg rugrats was my favorite! I also loved courage the cowardly dog.. That's so sad!! My parents didn't let us watch any "adult" cartoons like the Simpsons, and I never understood why until I got older...

 

[Coquette22]

Mom fussed about The Simpsons, but never actually turned it off. She also thought Power Rangers was too violent, but never stopped me from watching it. I fluctuated between wanting to be the Pink Ranger or Sailor Mars. (Okay, I still want to be the Pink Ranger or Sailor Mars...)