SDN Pre-Vet WW 10th Anniversary Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

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I think you know.

I think I do, too.

 

[SportPonies]

Honestly, I might hop on my “anything 3P needs to die” train today.

I’m fairly convinced MJ is not a wolf BUT I absolutely see him pulling nonsense like his posts above to get people off his case.

Worst case, he’s another neutral but I’m apprehensive that he’s something that shouldn’t stay alive.

 

[SportPonies]

Yeet Daddy

 

[alleycat03]

Did you get it?

No I didn’t get anything yestereday

 

[SportPonies]

The part I assume would affect N2. Also had a component of lols

I don’t know how to explain lol

Can you quote parts of the write up, or?


@potentialsheltervet you’re welcome. How do you feel about samac? How do you feel about the current cubs situation?

*presses tally button harder*

 

[SportPonies]

Oho shorty is dead so now there’ll be less to read!

 

[SportPonies]

Honestly, I might hop on my “anything 3P needs to die” train today.

I’m fairly convinced MJ is not a wolf BUT I absolutely see him pulling nonsense like his posts above to get people off his case.

Worst case, he’s another neutral but I’m apprehensive that he’s something that shouldn’t stay alive.

I will also say that he probably won’t mind dying because of how lengthy this game has been lol

 

[SportPonies]

@supershorty rood. You have to keep using sporty avatars until the game is over!!!

This is a self-imposed rule now

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@potentialsheltervet you’re welcome. How do you feel about samac? How do you feel about the current cubs situation?

I feel fine about samac currently. I might feel better after the next cycle just to see how things go down. I'm honestly surprised she hasn't been NK'd yet given she's apparently had village guns a-blazin'. Given shorty's neutral flip plus what MJ said about the cult and such, if that can be trusted, I'm hesitating to call anyone village but I do not think she is wolf.
Cubs, no clue. He seems to be doing whatever for the shiggles. I'm not going to believe the stars thing until I see his name italicized in a tally. Noting that he's now claimed to be the stump necromancer, cult leader, and alpha wolf, so hard to know what he is other than not village.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@supershorty rood. You have to keep using sporty avatars until the game is over!!!

Well, technically... since you are using her avatar, did the avatar not become a sporty avatar? And by using it now, is she not using a sporty avatar?

 

[cubsrule4e]

I feel fine about samac currently. I might feel better after the next cycle just to see how things go down. I'm honestly surprised she hasn't been NK'd yet given she's apparently had village guns a-blazin'. Given shorty's neutral flip plus what MJ said about the cult and such, if that can be trusted, I'm hesitating to call anyone village but I do not think she is wolf.
Cubs, no clue. He seems to be doing whatever for the shiggles. I'm not going to believe the stars thing until I see his name italicized in a tally. Noting that he's now claimed to be the stump necromancer, cult leader, and alpha wolf, so hard to know what he is other than not village.

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Please provide quotes of where I claimed such things.

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[potentialsheltervet]

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Please provide quotes of where I claimed such things.

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Okay. And yes, I DID feel the need to do this before going to sleep.

Shhhh!!!! Fluff! Dont give away any cult secrets. Willing to chalk this up to noob-stump status. Dont do it again.

Ummm no. Mine are! Bwahahaha

Again, I am not, however; with all this talk of wolves and village working together to get rid of the other “scum” as you call us, I have developed a game winning plan.

If any of you wolves or other existing 3Ps have PM powers please get with me for a proposition on how to take this village down. I can offer inclusive win-cons.

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YES, THE ONCE STUMPER IS NOW A STUMPEE. AND IM BETTING TRUEY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. REVENGE FOR MY AtE??? YOU DIDNT EVEN END UP GETTING WHIPPED!

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[Crayola227]

@Barkley13

If you feel comfortable answering
Do you know about Cubs shenanigans or are you guessing about Cubs shenanigans?
And if yes
Are Cubs shenanigans good?

How could they be good???

 

[Zenge142]

Well, technically... since you are using her avatar, did the avatar not become a sporty avatar? And by using it now, is she not using a sporty avatar?

Spoiler

 

[Zenge142]

How could they be good???

Yeah I really didn’t follow that conversation at all

 

[Crayola227]

NO
YOU DONT GET TO DO THAT
Shorty may have been neutral, but like me when I was a neutral in bioshock she played it village.

How do you actually know this, though? Have the mods specified?

Because technically in WW, neutral can just mean a 3P. It DOES NOT have to mean inclusive. We have had informal discussions outside games where I said that we really should invent a term for the sort of benign 3P that has no kill powers that can win with either side, but I don't actually know if Dubz or KD has officially or formally adopted this lingo for our forum, or it they are using it this game.

It's also is not terribly reassuring that 2 things happened in the write up, 1 is that it was NOT given that she can win with either side or only with village, that her win is NOT exclusive of village's win, and 2 is that she can still achieve her wincon, which we do NOT know can include us.

Just as with the "stumps," I think Shorty needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I was worried about this but no one wanted to listen to me. People want to yeet me over it, and yet now I see people finally saying the things I was saying this whole time. Better late than never, I guess.

In any case, I felt that I needed to point out that we cannot assume Shorty is a "neutral" like you were in Bioshock.

It's very clear to me this game has some elements that are throwbacks to this site's history. Neutral, chaos, 3P, has historically meant a lot of things, the only constant in such roles is that they are neither wolf nor village, but the wincon can be extremely variable.

 

[justafluff]

*****
When someone should be village but they're acting weird and there's conversion in the game...

🤔
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*****
I wanna jump in again, re: Ivy. This is like her 3rd game, and I get not being comfortable about ppl spelling out her role. I think @potentialsheltervet was trying to tell her that it's okay that people know, not control her. If she was converted or so, why deny being her previous role? Also at the time, she made those posts she hadn't caught up.
I'm catching up now btw, I was 15 pages behind and just skimmed to see vote results.
*****

 

[Crayola227]

Shorty "playing it village" could have been a ruse. I've seen 3P that played extremely village in every way, ruthlessly hunting down wolves, because they were able to do and the wolves not being happy about it didn't threaten their wincon or they were just willing to chance that, all while working to an exclusive wincon. This was my master in Age of the Gods.

Many exclusive 3P will play very village sided if they can get away with it because that is the majority of players, and staying on village's good side is a good way to hide from village and wolves.

Sorry, not trying to cause problems or obsess about 3P, but until I know what the MODS mean by "neutral" or I know Shorty's wincon, I am not going to be jumping up and down about how "village" she was.

Ffs people, even when the mods come out and SAY someone is NOT village, you still aren't going to catch on that they're scum? And I'm the one that isn't scum hunting? I just can't even any more

 

[Crayola227]

Eh
But like
She was inclusive. She wasn’t working against village, she was definitely working with us.

Where did it say that her wincon was inclusive? Because I didn't see that anywhere in the write up.

 

[Crayola227]

Uh, I absolutely do.
Last game I played with her (LiterWWary), she pulled that card every single time I thought she might be sus (wrongly, but that's not the point).
She pulled that card yet again this game.
So, yeah, I absolutely will be doing that, thank you very much.

Which card did she pull? I'm reading pages backwards.

 

[Crayola227]

Yes
That tends to be the way the game is played.


I also wanna say, I stand by my village read of shorty. She was playing in her village meta and helping the village wincon. People can argue that all they want to, and it may be a waste of time, but she gets a spot in the blocc.

So are you totally unwilling to consider my explanation about how "neutral" can be applied, and that she can still achieve a wincon that hasn't been specified? Does that really not worry you in the slightest?

I need to retire. Been saying the same shyte for years. Had this issue with Coffee, and the argument was the same.

You CANNOT trust a player with an unknown wincon, period.

This feels like a repeat of HZD. How many times did I ask if we could be sure about Shorty? That game and this game.

 

[Crayola227]

I actually feel bad about this because cray has made me the center of her village blocc
But I don’t think cray has ever village read me and it feels so so weird
On top of just feeling wrong imma start with a
Yeet cray

Yeah it's not helping at ALL that while I am still reeling from the Shorty betrayal just after I put her in my blocc, that you are gleefully declaring a revealed 3P with a mystery wincon to still be village-sided....

I think I should have stuck with my worries that Shorty and Samac were 3P.

Samac, it was hinted by Shorty, did Shorty know about the mkg plot? I'm wondering if she had a hand in Mel's death.

 

[Crayola227]

Well, if MJ is telling the truth cubs actually WAS cult leader

I missed this claim

 

[Viscernable]

What part of my post was this reaction to?

Finding out why I’m gleaner lmao

 

[Doctor-S]

* About MJ …

[NOTE: I needed to type, cut-and-paste my posts from separate Word doc – and that takes me a while. I’m trying to separate the posts, and make them shorter. Hope these are easy to read. Thanks.]

Here are some more thoughts and reasons why I contingency yeeted MJ, and after sporty did the same thing yesterday. You’re welcome to reach your own conclusions. I have already posted my earlier thoughts/reasons about MJ, and you can find them on the thread. So, I’m not going to repeat them here.

MJ has a tendency to claim too "many new pages to read" as an excuse. He claimed this excuse before he switched his yeet to Paws. It sounds plausible at first, but then again ... we're playing in a game that requires A LOT of reading.

Here is an example:

Is there stuff I'm missing about paws? There are way too many new pages for me to read

violet referred MJ to page 101.

It's all on page 101, but Paws lied about blocking alley.

BUT ... it seems reasonable to believe MJ had already read page 101 ... because he had taken the time to respond to samac’s post (on page 100) in which he was named in samac’s post. So there was only a handful of pages to read (6 pages), and not 20 pages. The same excuse occurred later when MJ was called out by other player.

He also seems to respond to posts, when he is mentioned in posts, or pinged in a post, at least that is what it seems like to me.

For example:

I literally was right. I'm very frustrated by the inability of the village to understand game theory and prisoner's dilemmas. I'm also frustrated by the fact I've clearly explained my point but you don't understand it. Game theory and the behavior of individuals in gamified and game-like scenarios is *actually something I've spent years with a focus on, both personally and a as a clinician.* To me it is obvious that the wolves were going to burn us, because you're asking them to give during a low-stakes prisoner's dilemma in which they also have an information advantage, it was a bad decision and it adds evidence to my concerns about you that it was pushed so hard.

Sporty is my other player of most concern, to the point you two being on the same vote put me off of it.

This means the villagers are doing the BUSY work and looking for woof/scum ... while he seems to coast along - not making effort to find woofs, or scum, until he is called out. Several players have called him out, too (sporty, me, etc.).

 

[Doctor-S]

Concerning MJ (continued) …

When called out, he often becomes reactive all over again, or starts talking about stuff that has nothing to do with hunting woofs in THIS game. It doesn’t feel like he wants to hunt for woofs in THIS game.

We’ve seen a small collection of distracting posts or whatever posts, sprinkled with a few potentially plausible posts. Then, there is a side order of antagonistic posts, or feigned ignorance (“is there stuff I’m missing about paws?” – especially given PAWS flipped WOOF on D5).

Noting MJ changed his yeet to paws on D5 even though he insisted he was keeping his yeet on visc, without reasons ("naught list"), and he had already been ranting about others who were already yeeting paws. There was already a long wagon on paws because paws had been caught in a lie.

Given that two of those on my naught list are going for paws, I've gotta go with a yeet visc

Oh that's pretty obvious. Thanks for saving me the trouble of flipping through 20 pages

unyeet visc, yeet paws

 

[Doctor-S]

Concerning MJ (continued) …

When MJ talks about knowing stuff about theories/game play ... it sounds as if he is trying to convince everyone that he is “experienced” in game play theory/analysis, and dare not be questioned by anyone, or asked for his reasoning.

But, in this game, his boasting posts don’t seem to back-up those claims – especially when he’s called out on the thread by players who ARE hunting woofs.

Despite claiming to be an experienced game play theoretician, he seems to go back to claiming more excuses about his “reads aren’t very good, or not understanding meta, too busy, bad at the game,” whatever.

As usual, I'm going to go down mid-game because my reads aren't very good. I honestly don't know any of you, so it's been a challenge to play, as I'm misreading a lot of the hardheadedness as wolfy, as hardheaded and pushy was typically how wolves would play back in the day. I swear I'm not a wolf, and I would recommend seering me before yeeting me, as that will make things much clearer. If you look through all of my history, I have never lied upon swearing about something, I'm literally religious about it. You would be losing a very important role because I happen to not be the best player, and I'm sorry for that, but you really don't want to yeet me

Most of the "MJ is a wolf" nonsense is due to me being unable to read people and not being actively participating in the thread enough. They're related to my being busy and sick and to not understanding the current players or meta more than anything, which I agree, none of which is indicative of affiliation but that goes both ways- it's not village or wolf indicative, I'm just bad at understanding the meta and busy

As I've said I really am not good at this because I don't know any of you, at all, aside from sporty. Cray I know but can never read. I'm literally the worst wolf catcher in the history of WW, I can count on one hand the number I've figured out without using abilities over the course of over 25 games

 

[Doctor-S]

Concerning MJ (continued) …

When players call him out on thread, his tone often changes, and he becomes less antagonistic, or more subdued, or comes up with another plausible excuse. At least that’s what it seems like to me. Woof behavior, 3p, woofy-aff, wincom, or whatever.

FWIW … I’m basing this type of distracting, and non-committal game play on a talking point, from LiS that I shared in one of my earlier posting on the thread. You can find it, if you want to read it – so I won’t re-post it here.

 

[kaydubs]

*presses tally button*

You rang?

 

[kaydubs]

Day 6: What’s a Cat in a Hat Tally

MJ (3) - DrS, Cyndia, Sporty
Barks ()
Cray (1) - samac
cubs (2) - violet, alley

6/19

Missing: too many

Vote closes at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT/8pm MDT/7pm Fantasyland, TOMORROW, 6/1/22 (~2,355 MINUTES)

Spoiler

D6 Silent Auction ~ closes at 10am EDT 6/1/22 (~27.25 hours)

 

[Doctor-S]

Concerning MJ (continued) …

Only after MJ was called out, many times, did he finally start saying anything.

But, now it's hard to know what could be "true info or false info" in MJ's posts, because now, I am doubting his credibility, based mainly on his previous behavior in THIS game. That's my feeling: what is the truth? What is not truthful?

This has nothing to with MJ's real life.

He can be VERY truthful in his real life.

BUT ... not be truthful in a WW game.

It's a WW game, after all.

In an exchange with shorty:

Look, I know you're busy with stuff IRL, but it's now N5, and the only people you've said you were wolf leaning were samac previously and Sporty, and with no justifications beyond "policy yeet unseerable," and "idk she just feels off." Your interactions with Paws look quite bad for you, as they look very staged, and you getting on the Vis vote with her was not a good look.

Time for some real reads, please.

No, I'll lay into you for not making any goddamn effort to help the village if you're a villager.

You never even answered the question I asked you about Sporty. Do you think she would bus that early and that hard?

In response to violet:

I'm not a member of any faction opposed to the village, nor am I a member of cubs' little cult, nor am I a wolf, but I may not be allowed to say what I am, though I was never told I could not say what I am not. So I'm skirting around rules. I'm not your enemy.

In response to alley:

Well I can tell you there are at least 4 other factions I can provide some elaboration upon, and having them all opposed to the village wouldn't make sense. Certain things are here for balance reasons. Hoping I don't get slapped with a silence for revealing too much, but I think you have uncovered enough that I can clarify some things for you. The sociopath (dead), the cult, the wolves, and the ??? (Not me, this last one, but until you discover it I can't discuss). There have been hints in writeups about the last one. I can reveal more as you learn more, but I've been holding things close to my chest to let the mods have fun with expose and to not get silenced

In response to violet:

Yes. And I was honestly trying to steer the village in the right direction based upon what I know.

In response to psv:

The mods have put a great number of block and protect actions in the game which are obfuscating things, but yeah, I think the 3Ps are going to start killing each other by chance soon. The village killed one of the 3Ps already and they know of one of the two others and are not attacking because it is to their advantage to not do so. So there is only one 3P unaccounted for that I know of. The stumps and the necromancer have nothing to do with me but... They may have something to do with the remaining faction.

In response to alley:

The total starting number of other faction members is balanced, that is all I can say. The game is balanced. Based on my analysis there is a net plus one nonvillager over expected but the assumption was made that at some point the hostile 3Ps would take each other down by chance

All of these things may very well be indicative of his woof/scum/woof-aff behavior; and that is why I contingency yeeted MJ.

[edited to add the letter "I" to the capital It's]

 

[samac]

Are there any further PMs going around in this game?

Asking for reasons.

👀

Did anyone bid on the banana phone? Pondering something.

👀

How do you actually know this, though? Have the mods specified?

Because technically in WW, neutral can just mean a 3P. It DOES NOT have to mean inclusive. We have had informal discussions outside games where I said that we really should invent a term for the sort of benign 3P that has no kill powers that can win with either side, but I don't actually know if Dubz or KD has officially or formally adopted this lingo for our forum, or it they are using it this game.

It's also is not terribly reassuring that 2 things happened in the write up, 1 is that it was NOT given that she can win with either side or only with village, that her win is NOT exclusive of village's win, and 2 is that she can still achieve her wincon, which we do NOT know can include us.

Just as with the "stumps," I think Shorty needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I was worried about this but no one wanted to listen to me. People want to yeet me over it, and yet now I see people finally saying the things I was saying this whole time. Better late than never, I guess.

In any case, I felt that I needed to point out that we cannot assume Shorty is a "neutral" like you were in Bioshock.

It's very clear to me this game has some elements that are throwbacks to this site's history. Neutral, chaos, 3P, has historically meant a lot of things, the only constant in such roles is that they are neither wolf nor village, but the wincon can be extremely variable.

For the love of all that is holy this is the same god damn mod team that did Bioshock. We went in circles about this in that game.
NEUTRAL MEANS ****ING NEUTRAL. THEIR WINCON IS INCLUSIVE, NOT EXCLUSIVE.
We’re not going in the same circles we went in bioshock cray and the fact you’re doing this makes me feel all the better about voting you.

Yeah it's not helping at ALL that while I am still reeling from the Shorty betrayal just after I put her in my blocc, that you are gleefully declaring a revealed 3P with a mystery wincon to still be village-sided....

I think I should have stuck with my worries that Shorty and Samac were 3P.

Samac, it was hinted by Shorty, did Shorty know about the mkg plot? I'm wondering if she had a hand in Mel's death.

Shorty did within minutes.
She doesn’t have a night action that can redirect someone. She flipped with her night actions, jailing and seering appear to be it.

 

[kaydubs]

I’ll be gone for a long time. sayonara

 

[samac]

Day 6: What’s a Cat in a Hat Tally

MJ (3) - DrS, Cyndia, Sporty
Barks ()
cubs (2) - violet, alley

5/19

Missing: too many

Vote closes at 10pm EDT/9pm CDT/8pm MDT/7pm Fantasyland, TOMORROW, 6/1/22 (~2,355 MINUTES)

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D6 Silent Auction ~ closes at 10am EDT 6/1/22 (~27.25 hours)

I’m on cray.

 

[Doctor-S]

About the presence or absence of punctuation symbols in Mod Write-Ups (use of questions mark ? and hyphen - symbols in game) ...

Here is my chronological list so far, and you are welcome to compare it with your own list to make sure it matches the mod write-ups. Please feel free to check it and lety me know if there are any problems with it - thanks.

D1 through D3:

Mel was alive.

Noting there is NO question mark ? symbol next to Mel’s name in mod write-up (D1-D3).

On N3:

Mel was killed (DEAD “even night domesticator and odd night Priest,protecting a player from the forces of evil during the next day).

Noting there is NO question mark ? next to Mel's name (N3).

Genny was also killed (DEAD JOAT).

On D4:

NO ONE DIED (D4) even though 20 players tried to bandwagon cubs (D4).

Noting there ais NO question mark ? next to Mel’s name (D4).

BUT .. wait it gets interesting ... so please read on.

 

[AceHydro]

Noting that the Cubs tally isn’t in italics.

 

[Doctor-S]

About the punctuation symbols in Mod Write-Ups (continued) ….

Now, here is where the mod-write-ups seem to become INTRIGUING.

On N4:

Mkg is killed (DEAD village PMer).

Noting there are FIVE ????? located next to Mel’s name (N4).

Do you see that in the mod write-up (N4)?

Before N4 ... there were NO question marks ? next to Mel’s name.

 

[Doctor-S]

About the punctuation symbols in Mod Write-Ups (continued) ….

On D5:

Paws was yeeted (DEAD odd night blocker/even night killer LOST WOLF - - -˃ odd might blocker, FOUND WOLF.

Noting there are THREE HYPHENS for the arrow - - -˃

Do you see the THREE hyphens in the arrow in the mod write-up (D5)?

Noting there are still FIVE ????? located next to Mel’s name (N4), too.

 

[Doctor-S]

About the punctuation symbols in Mod Write-Ups (continued) ….

On N5:

Shorty was killed (DEAD Neutral, odd night affiliation seer and even night jailer, as her wincom can still be met, it will not be revealed at this time).

[Hmmm ... wincom may be village/aff because sporty was leaning village. Maybe ... or maybe not?]

Noting PAWS was briefly revived and then dead yet again, who was Zenge, - -˃ lost found wolf.

Noting there are now only TWO hyphens in the arrow in the mod write-up (N5).

Noting there are still FIVE ????? located next to Mel’s name (D5).

 

[Doctor-S]

About the punctuation symbols in Mod Write-Ups (continued) ….

I don't believe the use of different question mark ? symbols and hyphen – symbols in the mod write-ups are purely coincidental.

Am I the only one who is noticing this?

Instead, it appears there may BE a specific reason for showing the question ? marks and hyphen - symbols in the mod write-ups.

If so ... what is the reason?

The use and placement of these punctuation symbols appears to be “intentional” ... and they don't seem to be random, or merely coincidental.

For instance:

At times, a single question ? mark will move next to the names of different players (as seen on the voting tallies).

So ... I'm wondering about them.

The punctuation marks (? marks and the hyphen - in the arrow symbol) may be "gameplay clues" ... and they might be clues to help us find woof, scum or woof-aff players in game.

That is one of the main reasons I’ve been watching the punctuation symbols in the tallies and mod write-ups.

So ...

Now I'm wondering if we need to do anything about Mel rn?

Or anyone else for that matter (alive or allegedly not alive)?

It is possible Mel is doing things (or performing good/evil actions) that DO/DO NOT help village, woof, scum, neutral … right?

Or ... is it possible that someone else is doing things (woof, scum, conversion, necromancer, group, 3Ps, cult, etc.)?

Does anyone have any thoughts about these PUNCTUATION things in the voting tallies and the mod write-ups?

I'm concerned about these punctuation symbols .. and they make me feel uneasy ... because it feels like they ARE in this game, and for a specific reason.

 

[WildZoo]

Day 6: What’s In a Cat's Hat Tally

MJ (3) - DrS, Cyndia, Sporty
Barks ()
cubs (3) - cubs, violet, alley
Cray (1) - samac

7/19

Missing: too many
A tie!!

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[Aprilthearab]

How could they be good???

Like, if someone/something actually did something to him that made him less powerful like he claims, vs him doing this 100% for the lols

 

[samac]

Like, if someone/something actually did something to him that made him less powerful like he claims, vs him doing this 100% for the lols

Huh.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Huh.

I think barks knows more than threadstate and probably more than I do but I can't tell because woof or because village

 

[Aprilthearab]

The only thing I am tentatively concluding is that I don't think barks and cubs are in a pack or 3p group together unless something really weird is going on

 

[WildZoo]

Tally has been edited!

 

[Truenamer]

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To my best understanding, both MJ and Cubs are essentially confirmed non-village.

From my understanding, Cub probably just had a 1x death avoidance, he's actively open scumming by posting in stars (but can be voted on normally unlike the real stumps), and for some reason the wolves refused to go after him.

And on the other hand, MJ had a series of... interesting posts where he pretty earnestly insists that he's not hostile to the village, but he hasn't been doing much in the way of clear contribution.

Between those two individuals, it's feeling to me like the wolves aren't taking care of Cubs for a reason. That reason might be that he's an alpha, or that he is a normal wolf with 1x death avoidance that's now used up, or he's a 3P that does not interfere with the wolves (or they think he'll disrupt us more than them).

I am very anxious about wasting another full cycle, but given all of that information it feels like Cubs is a very reasonable place to park a vote.

*****

 

[SportPonies]

Depending on the remainder of the game state, I guess I would not be surprised if we had a convert wolf and this supposed alpha left. That seems to check out as far as numbers go if MJ is ACTUALLY a 3P.

 

[samac]

Depending on the remainder of the game state, I guess I would not be surprised if we had a convert wolf and this supposed alpha left. That seems to check out as far as numbers go if MJ is ACTUALLY a 3P.

Let’s yeet cray.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Ffs people, even when the mods come out and SAY someone is NOT village, you still aren't going to catch on that they're scum? And I'm the one that isn't scum hunting? I just can't even any more

Neutral isn't scum. They can play scum-sided, but they're... neutral. And shorty was playing village-sided by hunting down wolves with us and going after cubs. Still neutral? Yes. But village-sided? Absolutely.

Yeah it's not helping at ALL that while I am still reeling from the Shorty betrayal just after I put her in my blocc, that you are gleefully declaring a revealed 3P with a mystery wincon to still be village-sided....

Betrayal is a pretty strong word to use here. It's not like she was a lone wolf or cult leader. She was neutral.

sporty was leaning village

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