Understandable. To clarify, I’m suspicious of Dina. I’m not suspicious of Bread, and don’t see a decent rationale to explain it. If bread gets yeeted and flips village it’s useless to me AND we’re down a villager. If Dina gets yeeted and flips village, at least I’ll get more information out of that.
Z, what information were you hoping to get from a Dina village flip? I'm not sure we ever got a concrete answer.
I'm sus of Zenge, schools, TE, kras, April, in no order. I don't trust WZ but I am not reading her as much of anything, hence the lack of trust. Questioning mayo read too. Doggo and Barks I was reading village but questioning that too. Not sure where I put alley either.
My list of possible village is a lot shorter than possible wolf. I need to analyze more.
Cray was one of our strongest villagers, and I think she was on track to find 1 or more of the wolves, which I think might have lead to her being killed. But, she voted for SAR before dying (and before she made this post), and SAR isn't listed on this post, so that is odd to me.
It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a wolf lose track of the tally. I don't think she would do it intentionally but I'm not sure it says anything about her affiliation either
Well, if Alley is being honest about not knowing it was going to create a tie, then I think it's NAI because she could be a wolf who genuinely thought she wasn't getting involved in one. She jumped on SDN at the very last minute right when the reads post Coffee made wasn't 100% accurate, so I'm inclined to believe she was being honest about not knowing, but I don't think it gives her any points in either direction.
I've been trying to figure out the timeline of this tie. There were about ten full minutes between coffee's incorrect vote tally and this vote, and i think the incorrect tally had already been edited. But I know alley did spend the day pretty far behind in the thread
This would have been a correct thought however based on the incorrect tally - bread and sar were tied at 3 votes each. I could see this as a mistaken village move, or a wolf concerned that SAR was about to be yeeted and genuinely miscounting
I don't think I have exactly two wagons, because there's more than one wolf, so I could accept wagons on multiple people is suspect to be wolves. I recognize that it will come DOWN to two wagons in the end, but I don't see how me proposing exactly two helps?
I've posted some of my pack suspicions already. the wolfy end of my read list right now, that i am most likely to throw a vote on, is SAR, Kras, Plz, April (though they're not all compatible). the only person who really feels strong village to me (watch me be sad when it's a pocket by my manator) is barks, with WZ and zenge neutral/village lean. Mayo is a mystery to me, might be a fourth wolf. Alley is either a reckless wolf who can't count or an unfortunate (but lucky) villager who can't count
If I was a wolf, I would have safely stayed on my TME vote because why risk dying in a tie when I would know that there would be 1, maybe 2 villagers getting voted out? I was on mobile trying to get caught up again before the yeet deadline, and I do not think all of the posts had loaded. I genuinely thought that it was Bread vs SAR and then I saw 2 Dina votes, so I thought it would be better for Bread (one of my wolf reads) to be voted off instead of SAR and Dina (two ???), since I was the sole vote on TME and obviously she would not be getting yeeted at that point.
Fair point, but it just doesn’t seem worth it to even cast a vote anywhere near a tie at that point - I would think a wolf should want to either ride the majority vote or hide in a smaller wagon, but you’re right that a true miscount would be NAI. I need to revisit those events once I’m home, assuming a majority hasn’t formed by then
TME is right. It was not a smart move in general, but it would have been way dumber for me to do if I was a wolf.
What, I can't try to impress the nooblet?
I have my moments, and had a really amazing run about a year ago. Maybe I shouldn't say bad as much as I should say that it seems to take me a lot more mental effort to get to the same place everyone else seems to be at more naturally. I don't do so much of the subtle nuances and long justified reads as much as
flying by the seat of my feels
Wait, we aren't supposed to base this all off of feels???
I'm pretty reliably sketchy in general (see: signature), I don't need to ask - people will tell me when they're wolf-reading me (see: most reads lists)
But so far nobody seems to feel that I've been sketchtastic enough to be the biggest concern, so not sure where you're spinning this from now.
A hard push without any real evidence is def giving me some wolfy reads on you though.
The main reason I have Kras as a wolf read currently is the fact that she has not been wolf hunting during this game. I just looked back at her posts during the previous WW game, and while she did have a special ability that helped her wolf hunt, she was more involved in actually trying to figure out who the wolves were in that game than she does during this game. However, Kras usually seems to be less involved in wolf hunting in general whenever she is a villager, so the lack of wolf-hunting could be NAI. In fact, she and AM have gotten into fights precisely because she was not wolf hunting and posting reads (and therefore helping the village) as much as AM wanted her to. When I wolfed with Cray, Kras and Bread were pointed out as top contenders for people to leave around because their general sketchiness meta tends to get them misyeeted. So now I am stuck between her just playing her usual meta, or she is a wolf and is just doing the bare minimum of being sketchy but not *too* sketchy and hoping she flies under the radar.
Alley made some posts yesterday that set off my feels a bit (like the one where she just gave wolf points/village points without reason) but then there’s a question if a wolf would make that tie. Part of me says no because it’s risky and we don’t know what the tie mechanics actually are and the other part of me says yes because it got two villagers yeeted. But overall I don’t think she’s my biggest concern today
I semi-addressed this already, but I got pretty far behind on the thread due to life circumstances, so I posted a giant wall of text as I was reading and just commented on posts as I was getting caught up. I put small comments like "village points" because that was what I was thinking as I was reading. Those posts would have been more spread out and I would have had more explanations if I was not 15 pages behind on the thread and reading as fast as I could trying to get caught up.
Noting that in addition to voting SAR, cray had earlier voted april (then moved votes). If we think the SAR vote retaliation was too obvious, this could also have contributed (wanting to get rid of people questioning april).
I had a reason for quoting this in light of bread's village flip but i can't remember what it was. leaving it here anyway in case someone else has a thought about it.
in light of bread's village flip, i can see this as more genuine
I've been trying to figure out the timeline of this tie. There were about ten full minutes between coffee's incorrect vote tally and this vote, and i think the incorrect tally had already been edited. But I know alley did spend the day pretty far behind in the thread
This would have been a correct thought however based on the incorrect tally - bread and sar were tied at 3 votes each. I could see this as a mistaken village move, or a wolf concerned that SAR was about to be yeeted and genuinely miscounting
others have noted this as well, in light of doggo flip. Interesting. makes me think mayo/kras not pack, this would be a risky statement for a packmate to make and then proceed to kill doggo
This is the best time to put a wolf at the top of the list. Gives you retrospective cover without actually yeeting anyone.
idk, no one but me and doggo seems to have made a recent effort at yeeting kras. I could see wolves happily jumping on the "oh yeah kras, so sketch" train for cover and then carefully avoiding actually causing the yeet
I was suspicious of TME for a while now, and I have voted for her. However, her recent posts, particularly the ones today seem much more pro-village, and I agree especially with the thought process behind this post.
If you wanna yeet me, then make a case for it. Despite most folks vaguely yelling "sketch" nobody seems to have come up with any real reasons why I might actually be a wolf or who would be in a pack with me.
But just like with anybody else on the roster right now, you better have some darn good reasons since it's MARVOLO and any misyeet at this point (like this one would be) is gonna make village lose.
Anyone can say that yeeting them would be a misyeet, so that doesn't prove anything to me. See my explanation above (and my read lists yesterday) as to why I suspect you are a wolf. However, I do admit that I am having a hard time figuring out who the heck you could be in a pack with.
I was about to vote for bread and then he went a did a very non-wolf thing, so I wanted to know why.
What was the non-wolf thing that Bread did?
These are my vague notes i made while reviewing the last day or two that are likely full of flaws and clearly not concrete. There's a few people I don't really know what to do with - I could see WZ with almost everyone, so while I read her as village leaning there's definitely a chance she plugs in somewhere random to fill in a gap
Please/kras/mayo/April??
Alley/SAR
April and sar not pack
Zenge and sar not pack
Zenge and please not pack
Alley and please not pack
If barks: April? Zenge?
April, Mayo - NOT SAR
Mayo, kras? But friends irl
SAR questioned my post yesterday a lot, which did kind of frustrate me, and I am not opposed to voting for her today. I am definitely not in a pack with her.
Does anyone have reasons why Enigma, Kras, and Zenge couldn't be in a pack together? +/- Mayo inserting for a third if I take one of the others out
Based on my current POE which is removing April and Barks as my strongest village leans. Then also taking out vetspls, alley, and Dubz as softer village leans. Decided to move Dubz out as her more recent play has felt better to me
Kind of thinking Alley and SAR can't be in a pack together given how much SAR questioned her reads yesterday
Enigma did vote Kras yesterday, and I could argue that might be for village cred/harder to track but given that there were multiple people sussing Kras, I think that would have been a risky place to try pushing. That, and I think Kras has had a number of minor disagreements with Zenge and Zenge has been discussing the possibility of a SAR/Kras pack. So while I can't solidly say they wouldn't be in a pack together, it isn't obviously coherent, but maybe that's what they're going for
I follow April's logic here, and I think she just poked some major holes in why that could not be a cohesive pack. Kras and Z are having some serious back and forth here, and I don't think it is just wolves putting on a show. If they are, job well done because I am convinced they are not both wolves.
Also it's somewhat pointless because ya'll will read into my posts however you want, but I didn't exclude a 4 member pack. I proposed 3 members of a pack, and said that mayo could be subbed in as a 3rd member, not that it could only be a complete pack. I do believe though that we are dealing with a 3 wolf pack and MARVOLO is believable on that based on multiple kill mechanisms that seem to be in play
Don't forget that we lost 4 people on the very first night. 1 kill could be attributed to AM taking out Lainey, but where did those other 3 kills come from? Either there are 2 wolf packs, a 3P with kill power, or 1 or more of the wolves have an extra kill ability. However, we still also have not figured out who killed AM, but I am presuming it was a wolf with a daykill ability. I am thinking that we have 1, maybe 2 more PRs left and a 3P. Definitely Dubz, plus whoever blocked her last night. Since we had 2 kills last night as well, there are some extra abilities/powers that we do not know the full extent of.
I think maybe i just don't fully understand marvolo honestly
Same, I've had to read the definition several times and I am still not sure how many villagers vs 3P vs wolves we might have right now.
Which two would you ideally like to see the vote centered on?
Since it's *olo, exactly two wagons is pretty much the only safe option
SAR, can you elaborate on why exactly only 2 wagons is a good idea for the vote?
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Lawpy: feeling cute, might delete later, I dunno. Dead chat saw it first.
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This reminded me that Lawpy said I get to pick his new avatar in the Cartoons dead chat and I totally forgot about that!!
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