WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[potentialsheltervet]

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Why?

Wanted to give Nate/Santy the benefit of the doubt. Wasn't a fan of Khepri's True/fluff push and decided to go there.

 

[Lawpy]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Switching formats for speed...

Nate 4 (Clem, mkg, Lawpy, fluff)

fluff 3 (AM, Santy, Nate)

Khepri 3 (genny, Zenges, PSV)

Truey 1 (Khepri)

11/12
Winning: @NateTheLesser
Missing: Truey

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~8 minutes)

Oho! A table votecount!

 

[NateTheLesser]

Vote Spreadsheet​

For your wagonomics pleasure. I'll probably just keep editing this post to update it (as long as I'm alive), so bookmark it for later.
- All the day's votes are listed in chronological order, and on the right side is a running vote count that shows what the vote count was after each vote.

Day 1 Votes

Day 2 Votes

2

Day 3 Votes

All Votes By Player

EOD Wagons

 

[Lawpy]

God I feel crap about this, I've been looking forward to her playing again

yeet @justafluff

Explain warmly

 

[Lawpy]

@NateTheLesser vote for True

I tr true lol

That's not what I asked

Well this is weird from Sevens

 

[Lawpy]

And also from Nanooks

 

[Lawpy]

@Clem J vote for True.

This is the initial tag.

 

[Lawpy]

Sevens’s response to Nanooks isn’t making sense to me

But Nanooks rationale to switch to fluffy isn’t really inconsistent?

 

[Lawpy]

@Truenamer walk me through your reads pls.

 

[Lawpy]

I tr both Nate and Khepri, so fluff yeet is what Im feeling the most rn

What caused the shift in reads to Sevens?

 

[Lawpy]

Unvote: True
Vote: Fluff

To consolidate.

Eh…

Don’t know how to feel about this given the repeated insistence on voting for Truey

 

[Lawpy]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (3) - Zenges, genny, PSV
Zenges ()
Santy ()
mkg ()
fluff (6) - AM, Nate, Santy, Clem, Khepri, True
Clem ()
Nate (3) - Lawpy, fluff, mkg
Truey ()

12/12
Winning: @justafluff

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~1 minutes)

Although prior to Sevens vote, fluffy was leading by a margin of 1.

 

[Lawpy]

alkdj;afkdskf I feel like crap, didn't catch up fast enough, why did I yeet my buddy who I've missed

this game is frustrating sometimes

this sounds like you expect fluff to flip village.

yeah agreed with genny here

 

[Lawpy]

VCA unpairing thought for later is that I don't think True/Zenge are w/w. I wouldn't expect True's vote to have been that static if they were partners. (It's probably also unpairing to a lesser extent with True/Fluff).

Could you elaborate on this a bit in terms of staticness?

True's vote was just sitting on Santy for most of the phase while Zenge was a pretty significant wagon. I'd expect a partner to try to get counterwagons going or push back against the Zenge wagon etc. True didn't seem that concerned about Zenge's wagon, so that makes me think they're not paired.

Could you explain for about the fluff anti-pairing too?

He also didn't move his vote when I tied Fluff/Zenge. But that's a weaker unpairing since he was also busy at the point that I tied those wagons.

I was under the impression that Truey’s static vote was due to not being caught up though?

 

[Clem J]

Why pls

He was poe and I tr the other two options at the time

 

[Lawpy]

So three things I don’t understand now

1. Truey’s thoughts and viewpoints. Truey seemed to be really against Sevens’s SRing him and yet voted for fluffy? Truey expressed a lot of realtime reservations and regret voting for fluffy so the whole thing is weird.

2. Sevens insistence on Nanooks to vote for Truey even with accounting for Nanooks’s TR of Truey doesn’t sit well with me

3. I don’t know what caused Santy to shift from SRing Sevens to TRing Sevens strongly.

 

[Santygrass]

Because you think his solving vibes look good?

Its a combination of not really agreeing with the reasons presented to sus them + feeling intent / liking some of their reads + Realization that even if we have some differents reads or positioning in some slots we reached a similar PoE and like, I feel we are aligned. I will work on casing Nate after sleeping, I put an alarm to not oversleep pls

What caused this change?

The way they pushed True. I saw it with conviction and I saw the sus and vibed with it.
At the time it was like 'oh wow, they might be villa because as a wolf they dont have any need to do this', and now that sinked in and I am sussing the same slot and vibing with their worldview? So yeah Lock it for me.

Vote Spreadsheet​

For your wagonomics pleasure. I'll probably just keep editing this post to update it (as long as I'm alive), so bookmark it for later.
- All the day's votes are listed in chronological order, and on the right side is a running vote count that shows what the vote count was after each vote.

Day 1 Votes

All Votes By Player

@potentialsheltervet This is why we dont yeet Nate (???)

 

[NateTheLesser]

I was under the impression that Truey’s static vote was due to not being caught up though?

If he's town, sure. If he's a wolf, to me it just means he didn't need to care about the wagons. Hence unpaired.

 

[Santygrass]

2. Sevens insistence on Nanooks to vote for Truey even with accounting for Nanooks’s TR of Truey doesn’t sit well with me

Why not? Its pushing to try to get your scumread yeeted. I'ts something I've done tbh.
And it also serves as a test of how firm is the tr on the slot you are asking too. Its good in my book.

What do you think would be the wolfy agenda for W!Khepri insistence here ?

 

[Lawpy]

If he's town, sure. If he's a wolf, to me it just means he didn't need to care about the wagons. Hence unpaired.

What if wolf!Truey was anticipating a wolf!Zenges wagon would dissipate even within an hour before yeet close given that other people were being actively discussed as well? And trying to intervene earlier would make the movements look more obvious?

 

[Lawpy]

Its a combination of not really agreeing with the reasons presented to sus them + feeling intent / liking some of their reads + Realization that even if we have some differents reads or positioning in some slots we reached a similar PoE and like, I feel we are aligned. I will work on casing Nate after sleeping, I put an alarm to not oversleep pls

Regarding the bold, the concern was pertaining to laying low during the earlier dominant Zenges discussion on top of following the fluffy votes.

 

[Lawpy]

Why not? Its pushing to try to get your scumread yeeted. I'ts something I've done tbh.
And it also serves as a test of how firm is the tr on the slot you are asking too. Its good in my book.

What do you think would be the wolfy agenda for W!Khepri insistence here ?

Ok that is a good point.

 

[Truenamer]

Explain warmly

I was flustered and felt like I needed to choose one of the three wagons to put my vote on. Felt very weak to spend all that time catching up and not make an impactful vote, but when push came to shove I didn't have a clear wolf-read.

Of the folks up for debate, I felt like fluff had the most clear moments that felt like Wolf!Fluff. I also feel like I have a bias problem against the new folks, and I was trying to compensate for that. Once the vote went through, buyer's remorse kicked in, and fluff's immediate reaction felt like misyeeted fluff, not caught-wolf fluff.

@Truenamer walk me through your reads pls.

Falling asleep so I will give more in the morning:

Never played with you as a wolf (aside from your valiant attempt to sub into a game last minute), but I appreciate the way you've been playing in the active solving attempts you've been making. Need more time to get a feel for you.

Khepri is very confusing to me. I feel like they're neutral right now, but it's a "has a bunch of village points and Wolf points" kind of neutral, not "floating in the Beige Zone" kind.

Santy's doing a decent JJJ impression, I do think I can say at this point that he feels different from last game. Enough that I want to village read him despite my fear of being gotten by the same person twice in a row.

PSV is very likely village.

Zenge feels good.

AM is AM, recalibrating my reads on her from last game. Hoping we can solve her with voting analysis.

Clem is in a similar confusion wagon with Khepri where I feel like he's got moments I really like and moment that feel very sketchy or "wolf trying to slide by"

MKG feels less wolfy than usual? Like, not very wolfy. She feels like a normal participatory villager.

Uh

I'm missing people. If I'm missing you, I apologize, half asleep, will do everyone proper in the morning.

 

[Truenamer]

What if wolf!Truey was anticipating a wolf!Zenges wagon would dissipate even within an hour before yeet close given that other people were being actively discussed as well? And trying to intervene earlier would make the movements look more obvious?

Bad news @Zenge142, they're onto us and our precognitive powers

 

[Zenge142]

@genny I'm curious to hear your read on AM

 

[Zenge142]

@genny I'm curious to hear your read on AM

@Animal Biggleswife Idk why that's funny?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@genny I'm curious to hear your read on AM

why are you asking genny

 

[Zenge142]

why are you asking genny

Because my fingers typed the letters g-e-n-n-y

 

[NateTheLesser]

What if wolf!Truey was anticipating a wolf!Zenges wagon would dissipate even within an hour before yeet close given that other people were being actively discussed as well? And trying to intervene earlier would make the movements look more obvious?

I don't recall True saying much about the Zenge wagon either, but I'd want to read again to check. Letting your only partner be a punching bag all day doesn't seem like a great strategy.

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenpocrit I'm looking at True, genny, mkg, and Clem.

Do you see all of these as compatible with one another, or are there pairings you feel are incompatible?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Do you see all of these as compatible with one another, or are there pairings you feel are incompatible?

I don't see any as incompatible.

 

[Zenge142]

I don't see any as incompatible.

How are you reading Lawpy?

 

[Animal Midwife]

How are you reading Lawpy?

Still neutral for some reason. Hoping to get a better grasp on him soon.

 

[Khepri]

Hold on wait, we can still talk?

 

[Santygrass]

Loool yes, nights are open here haha

 

[genny]

@genny I'm curious to hear your read on AM

Me too. It’s probably not worth the paper it’s printed on though.

 

[Santygrass]

I am currently gathering quotes to talk about Nate, I am going against the clock cuz its only less than one hour remaining of the night, Skill Issue 🙁

 

[Khepri]

Lol wowz

Um well, hello

 

[Santygrass]

So the above here, to me, feels distinctly different from what is going on this game. He *does* have questions in there too, but you can see there's quite a bit of additional content with offering his own thoughts, a reads list, etc.
@Santygrass

For reference.

"Here's the thing with Nate so far. It feels like he's asking other people's opinions/probing for reads without offering many of his own, and that makes it seem somewhat like he's fishing for the easiest place to put pressure. It feels wolfy. I'm still moderately irked with Clem thus far but being that Nate feels more overtly wolfy..."

I have kind of a mess with quotes so I wanted to put this first. Other than the readlists post? What you describe here applies to Nate the previous game super well, even where their votes went . (Tha AM was a super weak OMGus with no push or tooth at all)

Now, to the quotes

Spoiler: Nate ISO

What's your take on the other votes for you?

This is Nate asking questions , yes. But it was a good question? Like its not a *try to shade him*/find a reason to vote , its them looking to figure out stuff about the slot.

Explain Zenge to me, when you have a moment.

Again another question related to Zenge, they are giving attention to things related to Zenge. Still dont feel like any of the questions was with the intent of putting pressure.

Morning, I'm giving the thread a re-read.

@Truenamer - Why's your vote still on Santy?

This and the AM vote one I can understand why you could describe it as weak/bad ones. But I am keeping this one specifically cause it was the one who clearly showed after to have an *intent* and develop a read.

Yeah I think it's the vote that's been the most "static" (I say as someone who hasn't voted yet). And it seems like Santy's push on Zenge has given enough to be readable one way or the other (at least for a day one opinion). I have thoughts on Santy but I want to hear what True's read is first.

Yeah I'm asking why he's still there and what his current thoughts are. Voting there initially seemed pretty obviously like a salt vote for getting wolfed last game.

This is the 'giving stuff of his own thoughts' that you say its missing here @potentialsheltervet . And its a thought that goes along with thei questioning of first votes + early focus in Zenge + Read on me .

Yeet Fluff

Let's see where this goes.

This os them being proactive tbh? Like , if you think 'They are doing questions to prod/put pressure/whatev' , them putting the vote on fluff doesnt add up with that perspective

I also keep mulling on this post. At this point Zenge was the only real wagon with 4 votes, and Fluff was clearly aware of the state of things. Does w!Fluff push back against the lead wagon if it's a townie? Is this a w/w perspective, or just t!Fluff worried about a misyeet?

And this is just a villagery post. This isnt a hedgy vote, more like a nuance and shows that they are keeping track of stuff. This is a good post, even better now that we know that fluff was V.

You don't fully agree with AM's Fluff push. Do you think Fluff is town?

This question to Zenge GOAT too. Like its them figuring stuff related to the stuff they want to figure out atm? Idk how to describe it, but I can see the *intent* of solve in the questions?

You're not caught up but you saw the "slip"?

Attention to detail, prob Unpaired with True (?)

For the reasoning I said in what you quoted, it didn't seem (to me) like how I would expect a w!Fluff to comment on a t!Zenge wagon. Saying they didn't like the wagon and following that up with basically a neutral Zenge read doesn't really buy them anything.

More explanation and 'Own Thought' irt to Fluff/Zenge stuff that I think shows the nuance there is legit.

I was curious to tie it up and see if anyone took the opportunity to push the Fluff or Zenge wagon into the lead, but the vote moves after that were a couple votes leaving the Zenge wagon (Genny unvoting, and Santy moving to Khepri), which didn't ping me as pushing any particular agenda.

And this explanation of how was he analyzing and their intent with the Fluff vote is LockVilla. I just love it. Its something I do too and seeing that Nate was keeping track of that and is trying to form reads from that stuff is just super villagery in my eyes.

I tend to spend more time prodding at other people's worldviews in the early going.

As of right now I think You, PSV, Genny, and AM are town (not in any sort of order).

I read Zenge's early posts the same way you did, and I townread your stubbornness there despite a decent amount of pushback. I find that wolves will soften their stance more quickly if they start feeling like a push could backfire.

PSV tone-wise seems the same as last game, and they've been putting in effort to dig up meta from prior games. I've gotten a solving mindset from that.

Genny has hit a couple town points for me. One was underlining True's little jailer soft. Wolves tend to put that in a back pocket rather than drawing attention to it. Also thought p#152 from her showed depth of thought, pointing out an inconsistency in True's response to a question he asked AM.

AM I'm townreading for a possibly dumb reason but I'm going with it for now.

I've liked the work Khepri's putting in, but he also feels different here than the town games I spectated. Less... "floaty"? Not sure how to describe it, and there's also the grain of salt that it's a new community he hasn't played in before.

I townread their reason to Tr AM, even if they even dint say it. Doesnt feel wolfy lol

And I'd say I town lean Lawpy/MKG/Clem.

That just leaves True/Khepri/Fluff/Zenge as shades of POE.

And like, they reach almost my PoE with different reads in their Townleans/Strong Villas? Like wowee this is something that makes me feel good. Cause they didnt align themselves with me, cause they had different reads, but just feeling that we are in a similar view of the game makes me feel confident in th being Villa too.

VCA unpairing thought for later is that I don't think True/Zenge are w/w. I wouldn't expect True's vote to have been that static if they were partners. (It's probably also unpairing to a lesser extent with True/Fluff).

True's vote was just sitting on Santy for most of the phase while Zenge was a pretty significant wagon. I'd expect a partner to try to get counterwagons going or push back against the Zenge wagon etc. True didn't seem that concerned about Zenge's wagon, so that makes me think they're not paired.

Another example of Nate keeping track of the votes, and pushing reads in that way, going along with the read they had on True initial vote and the initial Zenge Focus.... Like omg the approach is so consistent and the solving just clicks. This is Villa pls

@potentialsheltervet read pls.
@Khepri If you have doubts on Nate I recommend reading too, and maybe comparing to the previous game of Nate here , cuz I feel like they were sussed D1 for NAI things and were really villagery Yesterday

 

[Santygrass]

Less detailed thoughts about PSV and Khepri:

Psv: Their approach and just the straight solving energy with checking stuff, asking slots and trying to figure stuff out and being so proactive, makes me feel like psv is Villa. Them stepping down on Nate's wagon yesterday was also Villa.
Maybe trust SDN regulars if they start to sus her, otherwise not. When psv wolfed against me one of the main thing that made me catch her was the lack of /strength/ or /belief/ in their pushes, that dindt felt like scumhunting energy y'know.

Khepri: Maybe you read one lf their posts without context or see that they dont fit in what has been talked about last page and sus them, but that is a bad idea. Trust Clem read too. I think their solving post has been good, and if you read their ISO and see the train of thought of them (Even if they hop between susses, while their approach is consistent is good) that is a clear Villa sign. Their confidence was something that them as a wolf wouldnt do unprompted, and I think they really believe True is a wolf. If they are right, they lock Villa. If they are wrong, I'd say they are villa regardless /shrug. Otherwise that push near EoD with that intent/confidence is just not good as wolf? And like, I can see the world in where they are solving so I am more than inclined to believe is genuine

 

[Santygrass]

 

[WildZoo]

Night closed, results pending​

 

[WildZoo]

Night 1

Many of the animals went to sleep weeping for the loss of their small furry friend, some with only grief to bear, some with guilt on top of it. Others of course would spend the night awake, as their circadian rhythms demanded, exhausted by their participation in the day’s events but unable to rest. A lynx curled up in her den and put her head on her paws, listening to the sounds of the night. This was usually her prowling time, but tonight she lay quiet, thinking. A rustling outside the entrance to her den disrupted her thoughts and she rose to look out. The moon was hidden behind thick clouds and the darkness would have been complete if not for her well-developed night vision. Still, she didn’t see anything of concern. She went back to thinking, though of what only she could say.

When the animals gathered in the morning, a trail of tiny bodies lay across the well-worn paths they had made between the trees and the entrances to their underground home. The little farmers had been kicked and trampled, the leaves they had carried scattered among them. When the animals went to look for survivors in the tunnel system, they found that had been destroyed as well.

Spoiler: Dead is...

@Animal Midwife , who was a Leafcutter ant, and the village jailer.

The term "leafcutter ant" actually encompasses 47 distinct species of leaf-chewing ants belonging to the genera Atta and Acromyrmex. These ants live on a diet of fungus that they grow themselves, and they use their leaf cuttings to feed their crops. They are basically tiny farmers! They cut the leaves into manageable pieces with their specialized jaws, and even then they can still carry up to 50 times their own weight in their mouths. Their colonies are massive, housing up to 10 million ants, and each individual has a role to play. Working together, these amazing creatures can strip a tree of its foliage in less than 24 hours.

10 players remain

1. @Clem J
2. @potentialsheltervet
3. @mkg323
5. @genny
6. @Khepri
7. @Zenge142
8. @Truenamer
9. @NateTheLesser
11. @Santygrass
uts. @Lawpy
etc.

Dead:
4. @justafluff - Eastern cottontail, vanillager
10. @Animal Midwife - Leafcutter ant - village jailer

It is now Day 2. Vote closes at 10pm EDT TOMORROW, 10/10.
​

 

[Zenge142]

As for Lawpy, I don't think he's game solving. He's throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He's posting a fair amount but a lot of it is throwing sus like a monkey throwing turds.

Another thing is that AM historically has a 100% correct read rate on Lawpy.

Still neutral for some reason. Hoping to get a better grasp on him soon.

This feels like it AM wasn’t been able to get a good handle on Lawpy yet. That’s concerning.

 

[Zenge142]

As for Lawpy, I don't think he's game solving. He's throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He's posting a fair amount but a lot of it is throwing sus like a monkey throwing turds.

Another thing is that AM historically has a 100% correct read rate on Lawpy.

This feels like it AM wasn’t been able to get a good handle on Lawpy yet. That’s concerning.

Especially in light of the NK choice.

 

[WildZoo]

~Table Of Contents~
Day 1 -Final Tally - Writeup
Night 1

TOC Updated 🙂

 

[Khepri]

...then why were you pushing so hard for True/fluff?

I wasn't?

 

[Santygrass]

You were Villa leaning Lawpy, what happened to make you reeval?

Why is AM not having a concrete read there concerning? They also read Lawpy D1 confidently for it to be concerning?

Also, AM being the Jailer could mean that they softed it somewhere and the mafia did a correct PR hunt. Also a slot not sussed by anyone I think. So im not too sold on their kill pointing at anyone tbh

 

[Zenge142]

Also, AM being the Jailer could mean that they softed it somewhere and the mafia did a correct PR hunt.

First of all AM didn’t soft. She never softs. She hates any and all role reveals short of Innocent child.

So let’s dispel with that theory from the outset.

 

[Lawpy]

As for Lawpy, I don't think he's game solving. He's throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. He's posting a fair amount but a lot of it is throwing sus like a monkey throwing turds.

Another thing is that AM historically has a 100% correct read rate on Lawpy.

This feels like it AM wasn’t been able to get a good handle on Lawpy yet. That’s concerning.

That isn’t anywhere true what. I had my thought process in D1 and my votes and reasoning weren’t random nor unjustified.

And why are you expecting AM to have a complete decisive read on me on D1?