WildZoo's WWild ZZoo Part 2 - Game Thread

[Khepri]

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AM

I don't think she's made any alignment-indicative posts yet. I think the closest are these:

I think this comment is actually unpairing.

Ah okay. I wonder why Nate didn't ask about this vote.

The first is the same thought I had so like-minds etc. The second seems like a nuanced thought but eh, oh second thought I think it's easily a wolfable thought to present. Light town read overall from the first post.

@Animal Midwife why the vote on me in particular? Or would any vote have met the requirements for lighting a match?

Genny

Are you really going to claim that this early?

Taking the claim at face value is an odd reaction, but I think town indicative as scum tend to keep their PR speculation in private.

How was it helpful if you're now pondering its meaning? If your question/AM's response was helpful in figuring out her alignment, wouldn't you have some interpretation rather than just more pondering? I feel like you're trying to look busy.

I also think this post is great.

PSV

I haven't leaned one way or the other on any of her posts so far. Actually, perhaps a slight scum lean on her reaction to Santy's Zenge vote page 1. The asking him to explain it even though he already had.

 

[Zenge142]

@Animal Midwife I'm curious to hear about your current thoughts on Khepri since you opened with voting there, and they've posted a decent amount since then

 

[Lawpy]

Explain Zenge to me, when you have a moment.

What are your thoughts so far?

 

[Lawpy]

This is just my personal take but Zenge always comes off a bit cryptic to me. Like he’s said things that have felt like pocketing, or he’s made bold claims (once he hard claimed seer on his entrance post). He can be jokey but also analytical and loves to bluff or test reactions. He tends to also defend players he feels he can read well. In all these cases he was village; the one time I played with wolf!Zenge I was a nooby noob and did not pick up on it at all.

I’m not saying he’s lock village here, but his first few posts feel like typical Zenge vibe to me.

Also last time I played, a similar “mostly joke” wagon was started on D1 and he ended up being misyoten.

Same question pls. Thoughts so far?

 

[Khepri]

mkg

how convenient that the RNG picked two people that are always thought to be sus

I mean probably yes, but also STOP UNDERMINING THE LITTLE VILLAGE CRED I HAVE RN

to be faiiiiirrr theyre different jokes. so like we arent all sheeping one silly with malicious intent (or at least im not, sheesh)
we have a lot of time left in the cycle, and we're only 3 pages in, so for me at least the votes on zenge are not that serious of an issue rn

I think all of these are towny. The middle one especially reads pure. Just pure all around.

justafluff

Hey y’all! I’m having a migraine and forgot the game had started!
I also don’t particularly like the votes on Zenge but I can see how some of his posts would be sus to ppl who haven’t played much with him. I personally haven’t gotten any red flags from his posts.
ClemJ’s jokiness about being a wolf and jumping on Zenge’s vote, I feel less good about.

Why did you ask AM specifically? Is she giving you any wolf vibes here?

I assume that Genny’s vote is a joke, but I don’t understand mkg’s vote. Could it be a pressure vote just to check reactions? I’m not sure if mkg plays that way..

It’s just hard for me to believe that you can pile up as the 4th vote on someone based on a joke. Randomly voting someone without any votes yes. But she’s actively expanding a wagon here

Yeah there’s still a lot of time. So what you ‘re saying is your vote is not malicious (you re not wolf reading him) but either way you think he ll be fine so you re staying there?

All of this feels like fake wolf content. The questions read more as busy work than inquiries that will help them solve or move the game forward.

Nate
Nothing of note.

Santy
I'm going to skip for now because from the posts that I've seen, he's kind of obvtown. He's expressed thoughts a couple of times that come straight out of my mind. Like-minds etc. I'll circle back around to an iso tomorrow.

 

[Khepri]

So my two scumreads are justafluff and PSV, the former being a hard read, the other a lean.

Vote: justafluff

 

[Zenge142]

So my two scumreads are justafluff and PSV, the former being a hard read, the other a lean.

Vote: justafluff

Interesting take. Not sure what to think about that.

Would you see them as potentially partnered?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@genny @mkg323 I would like your input on Zenge, and what do you think about my posts/the reasons I am voting Zenge too.

Also, @Animal Midwife is your vote right now in the slot you sus the most right now? If the answer is negative, I would like fot you to switch it. I am asking you specifically cause that is the impression I had reading some of your posts.
This also applies to anyone not named AM. While I like for Zenge to be lead wagon, I dont think its paricularly good for Zenge to be the only focus, even if I think they are a wolf.

No, I'm most suspicious of fluff.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Okay but seriously what are YOU doing to change that?

and again and more importantly, WHY DO YOU NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH CLEM SHEEPING YOU AND PROVIDING LITERALLY NOTHING OF VALUE?

I've tried to have discussions with multiple people but your endless non sense tunnel has dominated the thread. Maybe I should just shut the F up and sheep you like clem instead of actually trying to solve the game

Are your bones rattled? 😱

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am not being in any sense overbearing or shutting down any other lines of discussion, and in the post you quoted I repeat I was even pinging AM to switch votes cause I felt like they werent doing so.
I am not stopping anyone to scumhunt in any other way, its D1 even and my only vote should'nt be like the whole village or the sole responsability that there arent other lines of pressure.
If you are Villa, you are part of it too, and should also have a view of who do you think is skating low by and maybe call them out too. Usually, being the main sus when you are villa gives you an unique position to solve stuff. Seize that unique worldview instead of thinking I am impeding you to solve in other ways when I am clearly not doing that.

Me being focused =/= Me impeding or discouraging solving in other slots or ways.

Now, I will go to sleep (I hope). Trying to gather my thoughts instead of spewing them like I always do feels very weird also I am not so sure if I like it but I'll try to stick to it because it does a good job in my not flooding thread so much, which for the early phases is something I want to avoid, at least.
Good night nya

For future reference, I can't be shamed into switching my vote before I'm ready. I might be ready to move now anyway though.

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM

I don't think she's made any alignment-indicative posts yet. I think the closest are these:





The first is the same thought I had so like-minds etc. The second seems like a nuanced thought but eh, oh second thought I think it's easily a wolfable thought to present. Light town read overall from the first post.

@Animal Midwife why the vote on me in particular? Or would any vote have met the requirements for lighting a match?

Same reason as posted intially, but I appreciate the content you're posting so would like to see where that goes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife I'm curious to hear about your current thoughts on Khepri since you opened with voting there, and they've posted a decent amount since then

Slight village.

 

[Lawpy]

Ehh, if you want meta content to not b pinged by that, in semifinal 3 from Champs, Clem (Nanook there) was town and opened with presenting another player as mayor and to sheep them. Thats why I think its not Alignment indicative cause it can come from any alignment from him.

Also I am talking too much and I didnt want that. So I'm going to shut up a little while claming that I have Skill Issue

looking into SF3 now and I think I see your point.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unyeet Khepri
Yeet fluff

 

[Zenge142]

Nate
Nothing of note.

Curious if you have about thoughts about his posts not being noteworthy.

I am concerned about wolves fading into to the background and skating by. I think Nate’s fitting that description.

 

[justafluff]

mkg







I think all of these are towny. The middle one especially reads pure. Just pure all around.

justafluff











All of this feels like fake wolf content. The questions read more as busy work than inquiries that will help them solve or move the game forward.

Nate
Nothing of note.

Santy
I'm going to skip for now because from the posts that I've seen, he's kind of obvtown. He's expressed thoughts a couple of times that come straight out of my mind. Like-minds etc. I'll circle back around to an iso tomorrow.

You haven’t played with me before but I tend to defend players I don’t find wolfy and I tend to sound concerned.

 

[justafluff]

And in any case, I personally feel most concerned about wagons although I do expect things to move around by EOD. It’s the main solid data point for analysis we have.

 

[Animal Midwife]

And in any case, I personally feel most concerned about wagons although I do expect things to move around by EOD. It’s the main solid data point for analysis we have.

Do you have any thoughts on who you'd like to see wagoned?

 

[justafluff]

Do you have any thoughts on who you'd like to see wagoned?

My highest wolf pings have been from Clem but I haven’t been paying close attention to the thread since this afternoon. I’ll re evaluate tomorrow.

 

[kaydubs]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri ()
Zenges (4) - genny, Santy, Clem, mkg
Santy (1) - True
mkg (1) - Lawpy
fluff (2) - Khepri, AM

8/12

Missing: @potentialsheltervet @NateTheLesser @Zenge142 @justafluff

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~15.5 hours)

 

[Clem J]

So do you have any other thoughts about the game, and it’s players? Is your only read that Santy is town, and you’re not even considering my or any other slots with your own thoughts or analysis?

I'm sure I will at some point, but this is not that point

 

[Clem J]

Clem


I don't disbelieve this.


I like the vibes of this post though. @Clem J are you Nanook or was that just some inside joke I'm not privy to?

Someone mentioned that Clem stating he is a wolf is just a joke about his animal. I like that idea. I think I lean town here despite the lack of content to go off of. I'm trying to get in the mindset of Clem having wolf flavor + randing wolf vs having wolf flavor + randing town. I think he would probably have a similar first post either way but would probably lean into it more with his subsequent posts and be quick to explain the joke. I know this is probably a weird read but it's just a feeling.

Yeah I'm nanook on most sites

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I haven't leaned one way or the other on any of her posts so far. Actually, perhaps a slight scum lean on her reaction to Santy's Zenge vote page 1. The asking him to explain it even though he already had.

If I ask someone to explain something they've already touched on, it's because I want more from their explanation. And now I've gotten a lot more.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@Animal Midwife Can you explain your SR of fluff some? I feel like her playstyle focuses a lot on emotions (not a bad thing!) and comes off as wolfy even when she isn't. Grappling with whether she's actually wolfy here or fluff-wolfy.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Extending that, do you agree with what Khepri said above or do you have other concerns?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Okay found the quotes I was looking for from WWatch.

Outside the champs environment (he played very pro-town as mafia there, but that's a different context and he had different goals), not seeming to care is a Nanook tell more than an alignment tell in my experience. He isn't one to project a great deal of care into any game, even when he actually cares.

I was misremembering this quote as not caring IS an alignment tell for Clem. I was going to say "meh he seems pretty indifferent about this game, sus" but he also seemed indifferent last game and was town, so.

For @Truenamer and anyone else confused about Clem:

I get it. Clem can have that effect. For whatever it's worth, his approach to this game has been pretty much standard Clem. This is how he plays the game. I haven't actually seen him in the mafia alignment much (if at all, seriously can't remember a game even if it seems likely there's been one), but I've seen him town often.

The thing that most moved me was the way he responded to nearly being eliminated on Day 1. "Fine, whatever, not a big deal to chop me, my role is bad for town. Just make sure you don't fall for Jay's cute eyes" -- I've seen that before in the very recent past from town Clem, and I tend to doubt he was putting on a show for my sake. I also think he has handled the Nate-related mechanics of today in a way that is prototypical Clem.

I am not super confident, but I feel decent about it by the standards of this game (where I don't feel decent about much else -- if everyone seems town, then by definition everyone also seems mafia. Eek!).

This is the main quote I was looking for. Dropping it here for comparison.

 

[Khepri]

Interesting take. Not sure what to think about that.

Would you see them as potentially partnered?

I didn't see anything to exclude the possibility, though I didn't see anything necessarily partner indicative either. That being said, I change my mind after thinking through Santy's case some more and the response to my reads. I think Santy is probably correct and you're a hit, and that PSV is probably town. Your response to my vote feels panicky and deflecty (e.g. focusing on the fluff/PSV as a team rather than the individual reads, and the push toward Nate). PSV's response seems relaxed, however.

Curious if you have about thoughts about his posts not being noteworthy.

I am concerned about wolves fading into to the background and skating by. I think Nate’s fitting that description.

Nate is certainly a possibility but I would go fluff > you first.

You haven’t played with me before but I tend to defend players I don’t find wolfy and I tend to sound concerned.

I'm not scumreading you because you are defending Zenge. In fact, I didn't mention that at all. I think the questions you've asked aren't questions that come from a solving mindset, but rather a looking-like-im-solving mindset. Your focus was also on whether or not genny/mkg were joke voting for too long. Lastly, it was strange that you discounted the votes on Zenge as people not being familiar with Zenge when they were in fact from people familiar with Zenge.

 

[Zenge142]

I'm sure I will at some point, but this is not that point

I can’t possibly see how this is a pro-village response.

Yeet Clem

 

[Zenge142]

Your response to my vote feels panicky and deflecty (e.g. focusing on the fluff/PSV as a team rather than the individual reads, and the push toward Nate). PSV's response seems relaxed, however.

You said Fluff and PSV were your top wolf reads in

So my two scumreads are justafluff and PSV, the former being a hard read, the other a lean.

Vote: justafluff

I was asking you to expand on that as to whether you saw them as paired or not.

I feel like you’re twisting the meaning of my question pretty dramatically.

I wasn’t “focusing on” anything I was literally asking you a question to expand my understanding of your thoughts.

And I stand by the issue I’ve raised with Nate’s slot. I do feel like he’s skating by in the background.

 

[Zenge142]

and the push toward Nate

Your soft defense of Nate is noted, by the way.

 

[Truenamer]

Watch out for that. Truenamer is a great pocketeer with jokes. 😡

🥰🥰🥰

This means a lot to me, thank you.

Also, ya boy just finished another 5K! Someone protect me from @bluestoat, she's already talking about the next one

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri ()
Zenges (4) - genny, Santy, Clem, mkg
Santy (1) - True
mkg (1) - Lawpy
fluff (2) - Khepri, AM
Clem (1) - Zenges

9/12

Missing: @potentialsheltervet @NateTheLesser@justafluff

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~10.7 hours)

 

[potentialsheltervet]

 

[Zenge142]

I change my mind after thinking through Santy's case some more

I’d like to to explain, in your own words, what Santy’s case is. I’ll wait.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yeet Clem

 

[WildZoo]

Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri ()
Zenges (4) - genny, Santy, Clem, mkg
Santy (1) - True
mkg (1) - Lawpy
fluff (2) - Khepri, AM
Clem (2) - Zenges, PSV

10/12

Missing: @NateTheLesser@justafluff

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TODAY (~10.7 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife Can you explain your SR of fluff some? I feel like her playstyle focuses a lot on emotions (not a bad thing!) and comes off as wolfy even when she isn't. Grappling with whether she's actually wolfy here or fluff-wolfy.

I already explained it.

 

[Clem J]

I can’t possibly see how this is a pro-village response.

Yeet Clem

I'm not gonna make up reads i don't have lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Spoiler: Clem ISO

I pulled every Clem post to analyze here (he only has 12 so not too difficult).

Hi guys I'm a wolf lol

What an opening

I'm gonna sheep santy cause I soul townread him slash have tmi on his alignment cause I'm a wolf teehee

vote: zenge

STILL weird. I really can't get behind village-reading someone so much that you sheep their vote after A SINGLE POST.

It won't be that hard to remember awoo

Still leaning into the wolf thing.

Don't bwe a big ol mweanie uwu

Clearly this isn't a substantive post

You've never had the Full Nanook Experience then smh

Still just joking

Voting a mafia probably

Re: what he was doing voting Zenge.

OMG WHY WOULD YOU BLOW UP MY SPOT LIKE THAT SAD UWU

In response to Santy saying he was just claiming his flavor being a wolf

I think santy is town and I feel like seeing where it goes

At this point I feel like we're kinda past the "see where it goes" stage with voting Zenge. And I still don't firmly TR Santy.

I peered into his soul

In response to me asking how he could be TRing Santy at this point.

I'm sure I will at some point, but this is not that point

Just openly admitting he isn't going to be re-evaluating Zenge.

Yeah I'm nanook on most sites

Ok

So at this point I really don't think any of his contributions have been pro-village. I suppose there could be an argument for his responses all being NAI, and maybe that's true for him, but the refusal to reconsider is grating. Consider my vote... either a kick in the butt for a recalcitrant villager or a bonk on the head of a wolf.

 

[Zenge142]

I'm not gonna make up reads i don't have lol

My issue isn’t just that you have no reads, it’s that you refuse to make any sort of effort at generating reads or game solving.

The only content you’ve provided is immediately calling Santy town, and sheeping his incorrect vote

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I'm not gonna make up reads i don't have lol

So at this point your only reads are: VRing Santy and by extension SRing Zenge?
Have you considered:
a) Santy might not be town,
b) Santy might be town but be tunneling a villager?

Like... Zenge could be a wolf, but at best I feel like this would fall into "right wolf wrong reason"?

 

[Clem J]

My issue isn’t just that you have no reads, it’s that you refuse to make any sort of effort at generating reads or game solving.

The only content you’ve provided is immediately calling Santy town, and sheeping his incorrect vote

Yeah I haven't really started trying yet, I will at some point just been super busy

 

[Clem J]

So at this point your only reads are: VRing Santy and by extension SRing Zenge?
Have you considered:
a) Santy might not be town,
b) Santy might be town but be tunneling a villager?

Like... Zenge could be a wolf, but at best I feel like this would fall into "right wolf wrong reason"?

Wow, no, I literally never considered that, this is only my second game after all uwu

 

[Lawpy]

And we’re back

Going to try something out

Unyeet MKG
Yeet Nates

 

[Clem J]

I see your eyeroll, if you ask a silly question you're gonna get an uwu answer 😛

 

[Lawpy]

I think Sevens raises a good point that fluffy’s posts come across as posting to look busy without clear attempts of solving. Fluffy’s response about being emotional and defending people she doesn’t think are wolfy misunderstands the point that Sevens was making.

Fluffy wolfreading Clems/Nanooks is interesting though but would be curious to know why.

 

[justafluff]

I didn't see anything to exclude the possibility, though I didn't see anything necessarily partner indicative either. That being said, I change my mind after thinking through Santy's case some more and the response to my reads. I think Santy is probably correct and you're a hit, and that PSV is probably town. Your response to my vote feels panicky and deflecty (e.g. focusing on the fluff/PSV as a team rather than the individual reads, and the push toward Nate). PSV's response seems relaxed, however.


Nate is certainly a possibility but I would go fluff > you first.


I'm not scumreading you because you are defending Zenge. In fact, I didn't mention that at all. I think the questions you've asked aren't questions that come from a solving mindset, but rather a looking-like-im-solving mindset. Your focus was also on whether or not genny/mkg were joke voting for too long. Lastly, it was strange that you discounted the votes on Zenge as people not being familiar with Zenge when they were in fact from people familiar with Zenge.

No you re right I wasn’t putting in a great game solving effort yesterday but was just skimming through and noting things that stood out. I thought Clem and Santy were new as I’ve never played with them before and they seemed to have joined sdn recently. I understand now that a lot of you are from MU but I had no idea. In any case, wolf reading someone who’s objectively pretty hard to read off a couple of first posts doesn’t seem that great for game solving to me.

 

[Lawpy]

No you re right I wasn’t putting in a great game solving effort yesterday but was just skimming through and noting things that stood out. I thought Clem and Santy were new as I’ve never played with them before and they seemed to have joined sdn recently. I understand now that a lot of you are from MU but I had no idea. In any case, wolf reading someone who’s objectively pretty hard to read off a couple of first posts doesn’t seem that great for game solving either to me.

Explain freshly your Clems read pls

 

[justafluff]

Explain freshly your Clems read pls

I was mainly annoyed that he called Santy town super easily and proceeded to sheep their vote. That pinged me.
Thinking about it im not sure why a wolf would do that; that is ballsy careless play for a wolf that has drawn a lot of attention on D1 and annoyed both Zenge PSV and me. He seems to be an experienced player and I hadn’t taken that into account. I don’t know. I need to re read the thread.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I see your eyeroll, if you ask a silly question you're gonna get an uwu answer 😛

Then give a better answer.