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Zenge142 said:
Not sure if you saw my response to Santy about this but basically, Lawpy specifically said MK was on his "dart board". From experience with Lawpy, his dart board usually includes a couple names, and since he only voted for MK, without mentioning the other names, I was curious to see who else was on his "dart board" who he wasn't voting for.
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Ah, is the dartboard thing typical for him? I went back to BoWWling because I didn't remember whether he typically does that (and the only other game I can think of that I played with him is Okami, and... Well.).
 
Day 1: Life Finds A Way Vote Tally

Khepri (1) - AM
Zenges (4) - genny, Santy, Clem, mkg
Santy (1) - True
mkg (1) - Lawpy

7/12

Missing: @Khepri @potentialsheltervet @NateTheLesser @Zenge142 @justafluff

Vote closes at 10pm EDT TOMORROW (~24.5 hours)

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Khepri said:
Zenge

p#6 is NAI, knowing that it is a joke. I like that Santy found it suspicious though as it's the same sort of thing I look for.
p#9 is town indicative I think. I think a wolf here with this kind of post would angle it more toward the fact that no one else was posting (I've seen wolves open in such a way a few times), but the center of gravity in Zenge's post is on himself. Like it doesn't have that forced pro-towny tone wolves have.
p#26 p#29 and p#31 do have an off vibe, but I'm not sure if they are off because of Zenge or Clem. But Zenge's tone here is different than his tone in his posts addressed toward others so far. I could see this interaction as either w/w or t who has more insight on Clem than me from previous meta, and thus genuinely finds Clem's opening suspicious. I will circle back to which way I lean after I read through Clem's posts.
p#61 this is another notable interaction. Lawpy is the first player Zenge has asked a question of. Why is Zenge interested in Lawpy's reads in particular at this time? @Zenge
p#75 Zenge asks AM about Lawpy. Is Zenge gearing up to push Lawpy. Let us see.
p#116 I find to be very town indicative. It makes a clarification that does not necessarily benefit wolf Zenge. Santy (I think) said that this could be wolf Zenge trying to tie himself to a towny, but I don't think so. It moreso looks unpairing in Zenge flipped wolf so I don't think w!Zenge makes that post in v!mkg world. Further, I don't think w!Zenge would feel the need to dismantle Santy's post unpairing he and his partner, so I don't think it's w!Zenge in a w!mkg world either. Hence, I think the post just comes from town.

I'm stopping the ISO here. I will do Clem and Lawpy next.
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Interesting ISO. I’m interested to see your thoughts on Santy too
 
Khepri said:
p#9 is town indicative I think. I think a wolf here with this kind of post would angle it more toward the fact that no one else was posting (I've seen wolves open in such a way a few times), but the center of gravity in Zenge's post is on himself. Like it doesn't have that forced pro-towny tone wolves have.
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I think I see what you’re getting at but it feels like a stretch to view it as town aligning. Zenges lurking is a bit of a WW meme here which is why that post in itself looks NAI to me.
 
Santygrass said:
Mkg and Zenge prob unpaired based on Mkg's vote too.
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Zenge142 said:
Nah. I bet Wolf MK would joke vote me D1 if we were packmates
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@Santygrass @Khepri i agree with the assessment that Zenges is unpaired with MKG especially with the above Zenges post. So we can rule out W/W

But help me understand how this post is AI? Because I don’t understand how this post helps Zenges regardless of his affiliation?
 
Lawpy said:
I think I see what you’re getting at but it feels like a stretch to view it as town aligning. Zenges lurking is a bit of a WW meme here which is why that post in itself looks NAI to me.
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Ah, fair enough.
Lawpy said:
@Santygrass @Khepri i agree with the assessment that Zenges is unpaired with MKG especially with the above Zenges post. So we can rule out W/W

But help me understand how this post is AI? Because I don’t understand how this post helps Zenges regardless of his affiliation?
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On the premise that the post truly indicates that Zenges is unpaired with MKG, my assumption is that w!Zenge would be aware enough to know that. Therefore, it would be against his interest to make that post as it narrows down the pool of possible teams. As town, however, he's just being honest. And I think the latter is more likely than the former.
 
Clem

Clem J said:
Hi guys I'm a wolf lol
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I don't disbelieve this.

Clem J said:
I think santy is town and I feel like seeing where it goes
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I like the vibes of this post though. @Clem J are you Nanook or was that just some inside joke I'm not privy to?

Someone mentioned that Clem stating he is a wolf is just a joke about his animal. I like that idea. I think I lean town here despite the lack of content to go off of. I'm trying to get in the mindset of Clem having wolf flavor + randing wolf vs having wolf flavor + randing town. I think he would probably have a similar first post either way but would probably lean into it more with his subsequent posts and be quick to explain the joke. I know this is probably a weird read but it's just a feeling.
 
Santygrass said:
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Mkg and Zenge prob unpaired based on Mkg's vote too
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Here I cite the VOTECOUNT , not mkg jokevote to make this read.
Zenge142 said:
Nah. I bet Wolf MK would joke vote me D1 if we were packmates

Agreed
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Zenge jumps up with this post, dismissing with the joke part, after True asks me for more insight on the read. So, here Zenge is jumping to a conclussion and already dismissing it for people to not discard a W!Zenge / W!MKG world.
I think V!Zenge gains nothing from it, and has little motivation to jump to dismiss that read. Cause V!Zenge would know its right, and can call it bull**** to me and try to correct me, or can do the same as they are doing irt to Clem and wait for me to reply to True question about my read... But nah, the way they jump to dismiss it gives an energy of 'Me and MKG can still be partners!' that indicates wolfy to me.
Santygrass said:
The vote without context? Yeah super easy to fake.
Putting your partner at 4 votes? Zenge knowing how stubborn I was on Cray's ass D1? I dont think so much. It obviously depends on how theh fluctuate a little, but Im pretty sure that its unpairing.
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That was me answering True. It happened later and idk why I quoted it. Maybe to more insight for lawpy in regards to the zenge/mkg unpairing


Khepri said:
On the premise that the post truly indicates that Zenges is unpaired with MKG, my assumption is that w!Zenge would be aware enough to know that. Therefore, it would be against his interest to make that post as it narrows down the pool of possible teams. As town, however, he's just being honest. And I think the latter is more likely than the former.
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@Khepri I disagree. Just because the unapiring between MKG and Zenge was already being done by me. And the DIRECT intent of that post was to dismiss that. As a wolf that line of thought its unlikely?

Like, you are presenting it like this:

"Oh they are unpairing me and MKG" > "If I post something dismissing it they would think that its true" .
When in that scenario, if they dont post something the read is going to stay either way?
Like, I think the line lf thought in where W!Zenge makes that post to put in doubt that read is just much more likely? Specially cuz they are pseudo-sheeping true read too?. Its also the direct intention of the post, so i dont think that townreading Zenge for it is.... A good idea tbh
 
Zenge142 said:
@Truenamer

I'd be interested in hearing more about your reasoning for the Santy vote
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Absolutely. It's mostly a salt yeet to get things started, because one thing I disliked about my play last game was how long I sat on all of my votes. Trying to be intentional about overcoming that habit.

Why Santy? He wrecked me last game and I have an even harder time reading him than AM. Figured it's smart to at least try and focus on him a bit.

potentialsheltervet said:
I haven't asked specifically but I've been treating it as a salt vote.
Although I guess that begs the question @Truenamer why Santy over AM, if it's a salt vote?
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See above. Both were options, but I know Santy a bit less well.
 
Khepri said:
Clem


I don't disbelieve this.


I like the vibes of this post though. @Clem J are you Nanook or was that just some inside joke I'm not privy to?

Someone mentioned that Clem stating he is a wolf is just a joke about his animal. I like that idea. I think I lean town here despite the lack of content to go off of. I'm trying to get in the mindset of Clem having wolf flavor + randing wolf vs having wolf flavor + randing town. I think he would probably have a similar first post either way but would probably lean into it more with his subsequent posts and be quick to explain the joke. I know this is probably a weird read but it's just a feeling.
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That is Nanook. Are you saying you're leaning into him being a wolf or village here?
 
Zenge142 said:
Very amused. Normally I like lurking around.

But since I’m just here with midwife I feel like I have to talk. Nothing but a sea of angry reacts though. Smh.
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Khepri said:
p#9 is town indicative I think. I think a wolf here with this kind of post would angle it more toward the fact that no one else was posting (I've seen wolves open in such a way a few times), but the center of gravity in Zenge's post is on himself. Like it doesn't have that forced pro-towny tone wolves have.
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I think I disagree with this tbh? It feels *forced* as to *I want to post something* and just spewing something. And I know this at this point its something that can be read as gut and with little weight, but wanted to mark my disagreement regardless.
Khepri said:
p#26 p#29 and p#31 do have an off vibe, but I'm not sure if they are off because of Zenge or Clem. But Zenge's tone here is different than his tone in his posts addressed toward others so far. I could see this interaction as either w/w or t who has more insight on Clem than me from previous meta, and thus genuinely finds Clem's opening suspicious. I will circle back to which way I lean after I read through Clem's posts.
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Interested for when you read my ISO and see what you think about the Zenge/Clem interaction too
potentialsheltervet said:
Ah, is the dartboard thing typical for him? I went back to BoWWling because I didn't remember whether he typically does that (and the only other game I can think of that I played with him is Okami, and... Well.).
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Also, I need someone from SDN to check how often PSV goes to other games to check this sort of stuff? Cause I feel like they are pocketing me with this intent and WIM of just looking at stuff ad trying to solve that just strike me as super villa and dont remember from their wolf game.

In another note, I felt Nate's few posts with *intent* too, which was something I felt like they lacked in their past game at the start at least. So I am pleased with them too
 
Santygrass said:
Also, I need someone from SDN to check how often PSV goes to other games to check this sort of stuff? Cause I feel like they are pocketing me with this intent and WIM of just looking at stuff ad trying to solve that just strike me as super villa and dont remember from their wolf game.
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I don't recall if it's ever been replacated in wolf games, but she has done definitely looked at past games as village before.
 
Santygrass said:
"Oh they are unpairing me and MKG" > "If I post something dismissing it they would think that its true" .
When in that scenario, if they dont post something the read is going to stay either way?
Like, I think the line lf thought in where W!Zenge makes that post to put in doubt that read is just much more likely? Specially cuz they are pseudo-sheeping true read too?. Its also the direct intention of the post, so i dont think that townreading Zenge for it is.... A good idea tbh
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I think it's a matter of whether you think he made a level 0 or level 1 post.

For reference,

Level 0: the perspective of their own alignment
Level 1: the hypothetical perspective of being townie
Level 2: the perspective of someone else as a scum player from the hypothetical perspective of being a townie

Examples:

Lv 0: I know x is town.
Lv 1: I don't know X is town; therefore, Y.
Lv 2: If X is scum, they would(n't) think Y; therefore, Z.

Applied to this situation,

Lv 0: I am a wolf. MKG is town. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should disuade that.
Lv 1: I am a wolf. MKG is a wolf. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should reinforce that by saying we actually could still be paired.

I think experienced scum players are more likely to react to posts from a lvl 1 perspective rather than a lvl 0. Zenge, I presume, is an experienced scum player. Therefore, I think if he is a wolf, he made that post from a lvl 1 perspective. However, due to the phrasing/tone (the "nah" especially), I don't think he and MKG are aligned. Therefore, I don't think he is a wolf.
 
Khepri said:
I think it's a matter of whether you think he made a level 0 or level 1 post.

For reference,

Level 0: the perspective of their own alignment
Level 1: the hypothetical perspective of being townie
Level 2: the perspective of someone else as a scum player from the hypothetical perspective of being a townie

Examples:

Lv 0: I know x is town.
Lv 1: I don't know X is town; therefore, Y.
Lv 2: If X is scum, they would(n't) think Y; therefore, Z.

Applied to this situation,

Lv 0: I am a wolf. MKG is town. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should disuade that.
Lv 1: I am a wolf. MKG is a wolf. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should reinforce that by saying we actually could still be paired.

I think experienced scum players are more likely to react to posts from a lvl 1 perspective rather than a lvl 0. Zenge, I presume, is an experienced scum player. Therefore, I think if he is a wolf, he made that post from a lvl 1 perspective. However, due to the phrasing/tone (the "nah" especially), I don't think he and MKG are aligned. Therefore, I don't think he is a wolf.
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I'm not sure I follow your circular reasoning here. It all feels strongly WIFOM to me.
 
Khepri said:
It's not circular, but I did think someone would think so. It's more like sudoku. It's just hard to explain the tone part of the read.
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I mean, I get tone reads are hard to explain. It's when you start talking tiers and such that you lose me.
But a tl;dr would be you are village reading Zenge because while scum might say the things he's said, they would say so differently?
 
Lawpy

Lawpy said:
Really? That looks NAI to me
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This is town indicative to me. The tone of it. Although Lumi just made a post like this as mafia at the beginning of the Champs finale so maybe I shouldn't be reading into it. Actually, the context is somewhat different. The Zenge post really is quite NAI so this reaction feels real to me.

Lawpy said:
I think I see what you’re getting at but it feels like a stretch to view it as town aligning. Zenges lurking is a bit of a WW meme here which is why that post in itself looks NAI to me.
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Lawpy seems to be keen on in dismantling town reads of Zenge

Lawpy said:
@Santygrass @Khepri i agree with the assessment that Zenges is unpaired with MKG especially with the above Zenges post. So we can rule out W/W

But help me understand how this post is AI? Because I don’t understand how this post helps Zenges regardless of his affiliation?
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@Lawpy why the preoccupation with Zenge reads?
 
Khepri said:
Lawpy


This is town indicative to me. The tone of it. Although Lumi just made a post like this as mafia at the beginning of the Champs finale so maybe I shouldn't be reading into it. Actually, the context is somewhat different. The Zenge post really is quite NAI so this reaction feels real to me.


Lawpy seems to be keen on in dismantling town reads of Zenge



@Lawpy why the preoccupation with Zenge reads?
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Zenges appears to be the main discussion today and I don’t lean him either way right now. I wouldn’t say I’m dismantling anyone’s reads of him but rather asking for clarification because I want to understand how the posts that I’m viewing as NAI is AI to others, whether town or scum indicative.
 
Khepri said:
I think it's a matter of whether you think he made a level 0 or level 1 post.

For reference,

Level 0: the perspective of their own alignment
Level 1: the hypothetical perspective of being townie
Level 2: the perspective of someone else as a scum player from the hypothetical perspective of being a townie

Examples:

Lv 0: I know x is town.
Lv 1: I don't know X is town; therefore, Y.
Lv 2: If X is scum, they would(n't) think Y; therefore, Z.

Applied to this situation,

Lv 0: I am a wolf. MKG is town. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should disuade that.
Lv 1: I am a wolf. MKG is a wolf. Santy doesn't think we are paired. I should reinforce that by saying we actually could still be paired.

I think experienced scum players are more likely to react to posts from a lvl 1 perspective rather than a lvl 0. Zenge, I presume, is an experienced scum player. Therefore, I think if he is a wolf, he made that post from a lvl 1 perspective. However, due to the phrasing/tone (the "nah" especially), I don't think he and MKG are aligned. Therefore, I don't think he is a wolf.
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Yes, I follow your reasoning here. But I still think you are assuming a less likely line of thought to apply a townread. Like, I am not disregarding Zenge's level of play, but it was a read in realtime and I just think that it just is more natural for them to have done so. Just because someone is experienced dismissing like, the level 0 approach which is the direct one is just... Wrong?
As a wolf it means that if you have more knowledge you are totally capable of doing more level reads and posts and stuff, but Occam's still is there for something and the level 0 stuff still applies ?

Thats where I go at least.

And If I flip and take it as Zenge Villa , the scenarios go like this

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I'll take it. (Doesnt happen here)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with the logic of it so I am going to question santy (Doesnt happen)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with that logic, so I am going to dismiss it and brush that solving path aside. (This is what happens, and its like the least pro-Villa of the three imo)

Edit: Fixed some typos to hopefully make it easier to read
 
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Santygrass said:
Yes, I follow your reasoning here. But I still think you are assuming a less likely line of thought to apply a townread. Like, I am not disregarding Zenge's level lf play, but it was a read in realtime and I just think that it just is more natural for them to have done so. Just because someone is experienced dismissing like, the level 0 approach which is the direct one is just... Wrong?
As a wolf it means that if you have more knowledge youbare totally capable of doing more level reads and stuff, but Occam's still is there for something and the level 0 stuff still applies ?

Thats where I go at least.

And If I flip and take it as Zenge Villa , the scenarios go like this

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I'll take it. (Doesnt happen here)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with the logic of it so I am going to question santy (Doesnt happen)

*Santy is doing an unpairing read which is correct. > I dont agree with that logic, so I am going to dismiss it and brush that solving path aside. (This is what happens, and its like the least pro-Villa of the three imo)
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Ok, I'm coming around to your point, like always.
 
Truenamer

Truenamer said:
I like this reaction from Zenge more than I like the votes on him.
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I decided to do Truenamer next because this post pinged me as it did Lawpy.

Truenamer said:
I'm sure wolf Zenge would say something similar, but I like the crispness. It's a very teensy tiny data point towards V!Zenge.


Just don't love that he's got three votes on him before everyone's even entered the thread. Not even necessarily any wolves on him, just don't like it.

EDIT- Four votes, now. Zenge apparently wore his wolf-scented cologne.
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But I actually think the explanation here is fine. That it was the crispness of it rather than the content itself (which as I stated before, I think is strikingly NAI).

Truenamer said:
But you can't be jailer this game, there's only one
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I also like the ease of this joke.

Truenamer said:
Khepri is the fractal-clad hero and goddess who got Everyone to Work Together. Easy to remember 😍
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Locked town. Also, you're very funny.
 
@genny @mkg323 I would like your input on Zenge, and what do you think about my posts/the reasons I am voting Zenge too.

Also, @Animal Midwife is your vote right now in the slot you sus the most right now? If the answer is negative, I would like fot you to switch it. I am asking you specifically cause that is the impression I had reading some of your posts.
This also applies to anyone not named AM. While I like for Zenge to be lead wagon, I dont think its paricularly good for Zenge to be the only focus, even if I think they are a wolf.
 
Santygrass said:
While I like for Zenge to be lead wagon, I dont think its paricularly good for Zenge to be the only focus, even if I think they are a wolf.
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Okay but seriously what are YOU doing to change that?

and again and more importantly, WHY DO YOU NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH CLEM SHEEPING YOU AND PROVIDING LITERALLY NOTHING OF VALUE?

I've tried to have discussions with multiple people but your endless non sense tunnel has dominated the thread. Maybe I should just shut the F up and sheep you like clem instead of actually trying to solve the game
 
Zenge just feels... frustrated, to me. Although I don't know if I've ever played with scum!Zenge under fire D1 too compare. I think he got early sus in BoWWling but I can't remember for sure.
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay but seriously what are YOU doing to change that?

and again and more importantly, WHY DO YOU NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH CLEM SHEEPING YOU AND PROVIDING LITERALLY NOTHING OF VALUE?

I've tried to have discussions with multiple people but your endless non sense tunnel has dominated the thread. Maybe I should just shut the F up and sheep you like clem instead of actually trying to solve the game
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Wowee this might be the most intense Zenge-angery that I have seen to date.
 
JJJ gave some insight on Clem's meta last game that hopefully will be helpful here since they were v/v. Think I'll revisit that in the morning and see if I can glean anything because right now I don't know what to make of him.
 
potentialsheltervet said:
Wowee this might be the most intense Zenge-angery that I have seen to date.
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Am I wrong though? Like I don't see how blindly sheeping Santy's incorrect read and literally providing no content gets a pass for Clem.

I am finding it hard to solve the game when the conversation on thread is dominated by a discussion I know is an incorrect solve.
 
Zenge142 said:
Am I wrong though? Like I don't see how blindly sheeping Santy's incorrect read and literally providing no content gets a pass for Clem.
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Yeah I agree. I want to see what JJJ said about it because I think I remember him mentioning Clem often sheeping people he found village but I also don't remember if he claimed that was AI.
Even so, it's fair to question and I'd still like a better explanation than just he's TRing Santy.
 
And I still don't fully get why he's TRing Santy in the first place since iirc he made that decision after Santy made one post.
 
Zenge142 said:
Okay but seriously what are YOU doing to change that?

and again and more importantly, WHY DO YOU NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH CLEM SHEEPING YOU AND PROVIDING LITERALLY NOTHING OF VALUE?

I've tried to have discussions with multiple people but your endless non sense tunnel has dominated the thread. Maybe I should just shut the F up and sheep you like clem instead of actually trying to solve the game
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You have the answer to that in the same post you are quoting.
Also, if you think this is me tunneling... You don't want to see me tunnel then. I am pursuing the first sus I got and acting accordingly. I said that I was going to take a more laid back approach to not be flooding much the thread and be overbearing .

Now, do you think that my suspicions on you are the thing that doesnt let you interact with other people and solve them? Have you seen me shut up someone cuz I sussed you ? I think not
 
Zenge142 said:
How are you reading True this game?
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Neutral currently. Haven't seen enough to lean him any which way. The comment about me having a crisis of faith about him felt somewhat pockety but maybe he's always going to look fuzzy after *that*
 
Santygrass said:
Now, do you think that my suspicions on you are the thing that doesnt let you interact with other people and solve them? Have you seen me shut up someone cuz I sussed you ? I think not
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I think there's literally nothing else being discussed on thread because of this discussion which I know is incorrect.

DO you see a lot of other conversation? Because the wolves are skating by on low posting because of your tunnel
 
Santygrass said:
first sus I got and acting accordingly.
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Do you mean not re-evaluating and discussing other possibilities?

I mean by all means leave your vote on me but I don't see you discussing literally anything else.
 
I am not being in any sense overbearing or shutting down any other lines of discussion, and in the post you quoted I repeat I was even pinging AM to switch votes cause I felt like they werent doing so.
I am not stopping anyone to scumhunt in any other way, its D1 even and my only vote should'nt be like the whole village or the sole responsability that there arent other lines of pressure.
If you are Villa, you are part of it too, and should also have a view of who do you think is skating low by and maybe call them out too. Usually, being the main sus when you are villa gives you an unique position to solve stuff. Seize that unique worldview instead of thinking I am impeding you to solve in other ways when I am clearly not doing that.

Me being focused =/= Me impeding or discouraging solving in other slots or ways.

Now, I will go to sleep (I hope). Trying to gather my thoughts instead of spewing them like I always do feels very weird also I am not so sure if I like it but I'll try to stick to it because it does a good job in my not flooding thread so much, which for the early phases is something I want to avoid, at least.
Good night nya
 
Zenge142 said:
Do you mean not re-evaluating and discussing other possibilities?

I mean by all means leave your vote on me but I don't see you discussing literally anything else.
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>I literally just engaged with Seven to discuss their reads regarding you too.
>I have expressed an early townread on psv / agreed with true seeing that
>Given insight/knowledge of Clem's approach t the game and why them sheeping early is NAI and something I saw them do as town
And in my last post you have
>Me signaling again my reading of V!PSV asking for opinions of how accurate was my method of V reading them
>Opinion on Nate compared to last game
>Pinging AM for a possible vote switch, while incentivizing slots overall to switch votes and shake things up


Like, if you think that I am tunneling you and keeping all the focus on you and the culprit of you not being able to solve, I am sorry you feel that way cause it sucks and its not my intention, but I feel its not accurate and that even then if you are Villa you can seize the opportunity that being in the lead gives you and do some hunting regardless . Now ye ok bye
 
Khepri said:
@Zenge142 what are your thoughts on Truenamer?
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So I generally find him sort of wolfy, and have historically misread him as a wolf when he's been village. So I'm trying to get better at evaluating his wolfy aura as more village!True indicative.

This game however he's been coming across as pretty village in some of his posts and I'm wondering if I should follow the logic of how I usually read him: Seems Wolfy = Village, Seems Village = Wolfy.

He's also been trying to change his meta and not be quite so wolfy so I have to factor that in.

Neutral for now. Ignoring meta, I've felt okay about his contributions and would lean slight village.

At the very least he wouldn't currently be my choice for a D1 yeet. I'd have to see something more concerning or a very compelling case to vote True today.
 
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