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Hmmm.. That's what I was thinking. Leaning towards genny suspicions.



Also, role fishing noob?



I mean you would do that, but not getting that feel from you rn

I didn't think Capri was role fishing, because since I recognized what Pippy was alluding to, I could see how she was in the dark. But you could be right.

I got a sense of ny and WZ doing that to me in pressing me for "how I know" Allie is a villager (which I don't). Yes, wolves know who is who, so they could be villagers just trying to test me. But wolves are also very interested in villagers that seem really sure of anything - PR sniffing.

Like I said, I think ny is just being a bit... willful, which itself isn't very helpful but isn't exactly wolfy. WZ I already stated pinged my wolfdar for other reasons. Same with genny.
 
and i think it's sketchy to go full tilt at someone but cushion it in statements about how that person may or may not be wolfy, or that there are valid reasons for lynching villagers
 
this is your second comment (that I've noticed) that is "you'll regret it when i flip village" kinda junk and it really rubs me the wrong way

I feel it was an overreaction to the suggestion that a few (just me and allie) people don't really appreciate someone getting an item for communication and not using it.
 
Uh. Well. I feel I owe LIS an apology lol

Also too bad AM is dead, she would have had feels about another drunk wolf.

LIS would totally bus a noob wolf D1 though...

So I iso’d Allie and Kal’s posts together to get a good timeline of who voted for whom, when. All times are in MST because I can’t be bothered to switch right now.

Kal was the first of the two of them to place a lynch vote at 6:58pm, a little more than an hour before lynch close. She voted to lynch Pippy due to her thinking Pippy’s claim to only half-commit was a wolf cover-up. Three minutes later, Allie votes to lynch LIS; one of her reasons is that she doesn’t like his vote against Kal. Six minutes later, Kal replies to Allie and says:

Could be going along with a fellow wolf, like you said.

At 7:54pm, six minutes to lynch close, Kal unlynches Pippy but she doesn’t lynch LIS until a full five minutes later, one minute to close.

Also, Pippy accused Allie and Kal of cross-liking, to which Allie basically responded with a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So I’m gonna
contingency lynch Allie
…and it’s not based (solely) on likes.

This is pretty weak imo. And it seems like your reasoning is jumping off of other's reasoning for voting allie. I could see it as a wolf trying to rack up the bandwagon before any other wolves come under suspicion.

Mixalot's reactions yesterday did not strike me as wolfy. I've now seen her as village and as a converted wolf, and I feel like she is leaning village.
I can have blind spots for new players, particularly ones who i have mentored, so take that for what you will.

Incidently I have you leaning village as well, based on you revising your reads and also youngkal's comments to you on N1.

Yeah I just don't see the mixy suspicions. They seem to be playing similar to last game where they were village - and mixy had good reads last game so I'd rather keep him/her alive then lynching off weird tunneling theories.
 
and i think it's sketchy to go full tilt at someone but cushion it in statements about how that person may or may not be wolfy, or that there are valid reasons for lynching villagers

I meant that because there are valid reasons for lynching villagers, your vote for me I didn't read as inherently wolfy, basically I didn't really think we were voting each other out of really thinking we were wolves. Maybe you think that. I assumed it was because you didn't like my play, maybe you believe in your super smart heart of hearts that what you faulted in my play was evidence of my "wolfiness." If anything, it's a sort of defense of your choice to lynch me, and mine to lynch you.

You're actually the one who went full tilt at me for agreeing with Allie that I don't like your game choice not to use the item, not to PM, and that you don't care what she thinks. It's fine, we don't always like one another's game choices. Let's be friends.
 
Yeah, I was too busy typing other novels in the thread, but this is wolfy af and I should have called it out.

Lawp, Pippy is always an easy vote. Your suspicion should be high of her, but doing so for no good reason should raise suspicion on anyone doing that voting.

Faulting her for signing up for half commitment? 1) Pippy is so active that her half commitment is still worth like 2 other regular players. 2) Plenty of others do this and with worse results to the village, why not call them out? What makes this wolfy from Pippy and not from others?

The logic is crap. Wolf logic is often insincere or flawed. Not always.

Calling out Stella & Snowy was also furthering the wolfy feel. Basically, background suspicion is always high on these 3 players. So in the absence of any actual reasons to call them out, it just reads as more empty reasoning and attempt to flash the light on the "usual suspects."

A villager could have made this exact post in a flail to add to the game, but since it doesn't really add or ring sincere/true, it flails and is wolfy.

Wait are you trying to take credit for the YK lynch? Did you even vote her?

Probably nyanko and genny.
Ny for just popping in to say "hi friends" and genny for voting to lynch her for "never seeing her be so friendly before". Then unlynching ny and switching to snowy because she didn't realize she was playing? Just felt like a cop out vote to me but it was D1.
Also I don't think I've played with WeimMama so would like to hear more from her, but I def want to hear more from Nyanko first.

Oh I am not surprised genny voted for me. Not a cop out, more a joke vote and probably a bit real vote to actually get me talking...
 
I tend to not react well to super snarky/aggressive posts pointed in my general direction so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about the usefulness of PM items in this game. To each their own.
 
Capri gives me angry feelings, not sure why - too smart for a noob? but I can't say it's wolfy at the moment.
Can I take that as a compliment? 😀
Also, role fishing noob?
No, I really do suck at picking up on subtlety and sometimes sarcasm too. Plus from what has so far been revealed about items and roles I’m inclined to believe this may be another item-heavy game like WWhisk.
This is pretty weak imo. And it seems like your reasoning is jumping off of other's reasoning for voting allie. I could see it as a wolf trying to rack up the bandwagon before any other wolves come under suspicion.
Tbh yeah I do tend to piggyback off of others’ suspicions but I’m always trying not to because I know it looks wolfy and it’s also lazy. That’s why I went back to find quotes to support, and incidentally found the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ thing I mentioned. I didn’t think it was sketchy when I first read it, but became sketchier when I was iso-ing their posts. Plus I haven’t seen anything since then to make me change my mind, nor anyone who I think is sketchier to change my vote to.
Yeah I just don't see the mixy suspicions. They seem to be playing similar to last game where they were village - and mixy had good reads last game so I'd rather keep him/her alive then lynching off weird tunneling theories.
Lil late there lol
 
Wait are you trying to take credit for the YK lynch? Did you even vote her?



Oh I am not surprised genny voted for me. Not a cop out, more a joke vote and probably a bit real vote to actually get me talking...

Nope, no credit whatsoever am I trying to get for YK. I was trying to answer Lawper's question as to how LIS could have called it after so few posts. LIS gave his own answer (so I wasn't trying to commit the sin of answering for someone else), and I gave mine. I also broke down YK's post about Pippy, you, and Stella, to explain why I was leaning village on you guys. Post smacked of noob wolf, and they are typically afraid to finger fellow wolves in their posts, and they like to go for easy lynches. Of course a master veteran wolf could use our expectations of noob wolf behavior against us, but for now, I'm leaning village on the 3 she was trying to raise suspicion about.
 
LIS, it was this stuff. I didn't read much into Pippy's comment the first time, but on a thread re-read one of WZ's posts gut-punched me for what Pip had pointed out, and it was then that I saw what she was saying, and then after it was all very wolf pingy. Now I can't remember which specific comment set me off that first time. I may never find it again or I might have to re-read all her posts to pinpoint it.

I get those gut-punch moments and they're not always right, MA gave me that, but she defended well and then read villager. Coop pinged me too, and I'm still worried. Genny too.

It's unfair though because of the people who haven't said much.

Hmm these three are also at the top of my list: WZ, coop, and genny (plus capri). Kinda leaning cray village for this thought process. I almost never agree with her (or could be wolf and I just never agree with her reads when she's village.. wifom)

Moving this to its own post so it doesn't get lost when people's eyes glaze over reading my response to dubz:

If nyanko is also claiming an item N1, then afaik there are 3 PM items now in circulation.

Repeat of mostly vanillager game with lots of items?

I'm kind of running under the assumption that a wolf probably joined in on the kal vote, I don't think it was LIS or Pippy at the moment.

lynch capri

hmmm well now I have one of my top suspicions voting for my other top suspicion 😕 I don't know how I feel about this.
 
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Unofficial AM Knows Your Sins Day 2 Lynch Tally

Alli (1) - Capri
Nyanko (3) - Alli, Pippi, Cray
Lawper () -
Coopah () -
capri (1) - WZ
Stella (1) - LIS
Cray (1) - ny

7/13 voting
lynch close in 6 hours
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if by "be friends" you mean "nyanko keeps her lynch vote where it is unless some other really compelling evidence comes up or she needs to change it for self-preservation later" then yes, we can be friends.

If you really think I'm the wolfiest player on the board, or the most harmful villager to village, you keep it right there.
 
Meh, I typically don't feel the need to talk to people in PM unless I have a power role or something and I'm able to clear someone before talking to them. But in a game where it's clear that we can't openly PM people without the use of an item, I think it's more wise to go ahead and use it. Even if you don't trust the person. I think there's something to be said for how people react to being PMed. Did they respond? Did they ghost? Did they act weird?

I don't think I'm moving my vote.

Okay so one game that I got tricked by ny when she was a wolf and I was a brand new noob(don't even remember what game that was - early last year probably) I opened a pm with her and she talked to me until she was lynched. But normally she doesn't like to pm at all. So the fact she didn't open a pm makes me think of her more village then wolf actually.

Wolf pack could make use of this 'typical' brain-dead tendency. Whether you are wolf now or in future, this isn't great help wolf hunting.

Haha Don't worry LIS is actually a pretty good player - wolf or village.

if i had used it people would probably think it was suspicious anyhow because i am pretty well known for not really talking in PMs, especially early on.

Yup

Got 5 minutes for lunch. Saw that someone brought up my votes for ny then Snowy. Ny wasn’t a serious vote, and I’m probably not going there today. Snowy was half serious, in that I tend to get Snowy lynched and find this amusing, but also Snowy is smart enough to pick AM for a N1 kill to implicate people who played the lounge game. I would like to hear more from Snowy.

Also Pippy, remember how I mentioned notifications from the mods seeming to be more than expected? Totally true for last night. 😉

Did not know anything about the lounge game/who was playing except that it was happening.

tone policing, trying to "teach" noobs game mechanics, word vomit. unlynch lawper and lynch crayola

If you are talking about her comments to stella, that is because cray is friends with Mudd and trying to teach her to be a more active wolf hunter.
 
WW Jesus, you know that is where you and I disagree. You adapted that from MJ and like it as reasoning.

I didn't adapt it; I outright stole it. It was perceptive of him, and I've paid attention to it, and it's turned out to have (some) merit.

I don't, because I think many villagers get just as upset when they feel they are being lynched/targeted for bullshyte reasons.

Oh, for sure. But I think there's some subtle differences between villager frustration and wolf angst.
 
and i think it's sketchy to go full tilt at someone but cushion it in statements about how that person may or may not be wolfy, or that there are valid reasons for lynching villagers

Well. There aren't (many) valid reasons for lynching villagers, but there are plenty of valid reasons for lynching someone that you think might turn out to be a villager.

Those are different things.
 
Hmm... Chances capri is a noob wolf and lynched wolf YK to put her in the lead yesterday with only a half hour before lynch is probably low.

Lynch WZ

That's my take on the Capri vote, too. Just seems ... like a bolder move for a n00b wolf than I'd expect. Possible, but not likely.
 
Cray: In general you seem tamer than normal. Except in your interaction with Ny, but that actually makes you a little more sketch in my book. Will get to that in a sec.
Lawper: You’re quieter than I expected you to be. You’re always so talkative in dead chat, but you’ve hardly posted at all this game. Only three posts yesterday (only one of substance) and none today. Little sketch.
Allie: Sketchy for reasons I already explained.
DubZ: As I mentioned in WWhisk, I feel like it’s extremely difficult to read people I haven’t played with (WWhisk doesn’t count because you were an NPC). Not even going to try here until I have more info.
Genny: Same.
WM: Same.
Coop: Same.
LIS: Seems like typical LeTitsNow. No red flags so far.
Pips: Had you as village-leaning in WWhisk and it bit me in the butt. But so far haven’t seen anything to make me suspect you.
Snowy: So far leaning village. Just Feelz™ though.
Ny: Really don’t like your posting style—the absenteeism, the “I do what I want” attitude, etc. But I had an item yesterday that led me to believe you are village. I am also aware that there is precedent in other games for mod info not being totally accurate, but it’s my strongest lead so far.
Stella: Not enough posts to make a good read, but that’s kind of becoming her play style. Leaning village.
 
@Animal Midwife what's the lynch count? 🙂
It hasn’t changed except for Snowy voting against WZ, which you even replied to. :laugh:
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Unofficial AM Knows Your Sins Day 2 Lynch Tally

Alli (1) - Capri
Nyanko (3) - Alli, Pippi, Cray
Lawper () -
Coopah () -
capri (1) - WZ
Stella (1) - LIS
Cray (1) - ny
WZ (1) - Snowy

7/13 voting
lynch close in 6 hours
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Unofficial AM Knows Your Sins Day 2 Lynch Tally

Alli (1) - Capri
Nyanko (3) - Alli, Pippi, Cray
Lawper () -
Coopah () -
capri (1) - WZ
Stella (1) - LIS
Cray (1) - ny
WZ (1) - Snowy

8/13 voting
lynch close in 5.5 hours
@LetItSnow
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That's my take on the Capri vote, too. Just seems ... like a bolder move for a n00b wolf than I'd expect. Possible, but not likely.
She bussed other wolves HEAVILY in the noob game.

Like, led the lynch on one of them. Without us coaching her to do so. And bussed at least one other wolf in that same game.

Don't discount it as a possibility.
 
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That's my take on the Capri vote, too. Just seems ... like a bolder move for a n00b wolf than I'd expect. Possible, but not likely.
Idk, you forget capri had pip, karabou, jayna, and finn as noob wolf mentors. Bussing and when it is useful to do it were definitely things they discussed, and I believe Capri actually did it of of her own accord in the noob game too.

Kal was not doing much (or anything) in terms of defense, I think this particular noob is just as capable of bussing in that situation as anyone else.

I'd need to look back at the exact circumstances of the vote since I was looking just at the final tally before.
 
Nope, no credit whatsoever am I trying to get for YK. I was trying to answer Lawper's question as to how LIS could have called it after so few posts. LIS gave his own answer (so I wasn't trying to commit the sin of answering for someone else), and I gave mine. I also broke down YK's post about Pippy, you, and Stella, to explain why I was leaning village on you guys. Post smacked of noob wolf, and they are typically afraid to finger fellow wolves in their posts, and they like to go for easy lynches. Of course a master veteran wolf could use our expectations of noob wolf behavior against us, but for now, I'm leaning village on the 3 she was trying to raise suspicion about.
Tbf you did this breakdown after the lynch went down. Other people (*ahem*) pushed that lynch, you just kinda recapped.
 
Hm I don't like a lot of what'd going in. Basically my summary of events thus far. Cray is being cray and grump in at ny for being ny despite usually being angry that cray is usually lynched for being cray. For what it's worth ny is actually a really good player and just because you don't understand her post style cray (or agree with it) doesn't mean she's not valuable as a villager. I'm torn what to think of this entire interaction tbh. They both seem to be acting themselves but I keep getting pings that I think may be wolfy. I will think on this. I'm aware that sounded wishy-washy as hell but eh.
Stella Mudd is acting weird n00b like normal and pissing off LIS (grumpy old man). To be honest I kinda agree with him.
Dubz seems to only offer defense for other players and offer barely any opinions of her own beside that the tiebreaker on the wolf vote was a wolf 😕
Weimmama seems to be flying under the radar
Snowy said some things I didn't agree with but I can't remember them right now, but I'll be looking here closely.
All in all I'd like some actual analysis from Stella so for pressure I'm going to

*********Lynch Stella *********
 
Ny: Really don’t like your posting style—the absenteeism, the “I do what I want” attitude, etc. But I had an item yesterday that led me to believe you are village. I am also aware that there is precedent in other games for mod info not being totally accurate, but it’s my strongest lead so far.

Were you going to tell us about this ever, orrrr? Considering ny currently has the most votes and you seemingly had an item that soft clears her...kind of side eyeing you. If you did mention it already and I missed it, can you point it out please?
 
Cray: In general you seem tamer than normal. Except in your interaction with Ny, but that actually makes you a little more sketch in my book. Will get to that in a sec.
Lawper: You’re quieter than I expected you to be. You’re always so talkative in dead chat, but you’ve hardly posted at all this game. Only three posts yesterday (only one of substance) and none today. Little sketch.
Allie: Sketchy for reasons I already explained.
DubZ: As I mentioned in WWhisk, I feel like it’s extremely difficult to read people I haven’t played with (WWhisk doesn’t count because you were an NPC). Not even going to try here until I have more info.
Genny: Same.
WM: Same.
Coop: Same.
LIS: Seems like typical LeTitsNow. No red flags so far.
Pips: Had you as village-leaning in WWhisk and it bit me in the butt. But so far haven’t seen anything to make me suspect you.
Snowy: So far leaning village. Just Feelz™ though.
Ny: Really don’t like your posting style—the absenteeism, the “I do what I want” attitude, etc. But I had an item yesterday that led me to believe you are village. I am also aware that there is precedent in other games for mod info not being totally accurate, but it’s my strongest lead so far.
Stella: Not enough posts to make a good read, but that’s kind of becoming her play style. Leaning village.
Wait seriously? You have mod info and not only did you wait on it, you put it in a giant list of reads under a spoiler tag???? WHY?
 
To clarify something because I saw it come up a whoooole bunch in the posts that happened while I was in lab:

I am not lynching nyanko solely because she chose not to PM with someone. It is 100% in her meta to:
1) post minimally until she has some actual lynch attention
2) not vote/not be that present during early game
3) not PM with people

What I am mostly concerned about here is that rather than ghosting entirely, she took the time to read her PM, respond to the mods, check the thread and post something, but did not bother to vote. And then had a convoluted timeline for when those things would have happened. That is why I wanted to hear more from her. The apparent inconsistencies. Not the quietness.

Also, new folks -- don't be fooled by her saying she is an easy lynch. Early game she is NOT an easy lynch. She is very smart, is very good at this game, and can argue her way out of a lot.

Late game lynch...sure, ok. That is probably easier because of inherent sketch factor + the whole deal of being difficult to read.

All in all, not a bad idea to get her attention early on imo, so I'm not too broken up about sitting here on this vote for a little bit today.
 
Were you going to tell us about this ever, orrrr? Considering ny currently has the most votes and you seemingly had an item that soft clears her...kind of side eyeing you. If you did mention it already and I missed it, can you point it out please?
You’re right I did not mention it before the post you quoted, but I also didn’t read/participate much today until after the three votes on Ny had already accumulated. The fact that she is in the lead is the whole reason I mentioned it. I didn’t want to wait until closer to lynch close because in past games very few people switch if that kind of info is revealed so late. I was going to bring it up again later (like in an hour or two) if no one said anything about it though.
 
Cray: In general you seem tamer than normal. Except in your interaction with Ny, but that actually makes you a little more sketch in my book. Will get to that in a sec.
Were you intending to expand on your read of cray here? Or was this line referring to something else?
 
She bussed other wolves HEAVILY in the noob game.

Like, led the lynch on one of them. Without us coaching her to do so. And bussed at least one other wolf in that same game.

Don't discount it as a possibility.

Just to make sure this didn't get missed...

...given this particular nooblet, chances are actually decently high imo.
I had to go back and reread the noob game a bit to see what you were talking about because this is the second time you brought this up (last time in WWhisk) and I couldn’t remember leading any lynches that game.

Are you talking about Staff? I wouldn’t say I led that lynch. Staff had a ton of suspicion on him the day before and there was tons of waffling between Gryff and Staff and I didn’t vote for either one. I then contingency voted for Staff so as to lessen the sketch on me for not voting, intending to change it later, but then the wolfators (ETA: yourself included) advised me it would look more sketchy to switch when he started accumulating lots of votes.
 
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Were you intending to expand on your read of cray here? Or was this line referring to something else?
I meant that about the item that implied Ny was village. I realize it’s not strong reasoning to say “you’re aggressive toward this person who I know is village -> you are wolfy” but then I never said it was a strong feeling.
 
i'm not saying anyone will regret losing me as a villager, clearly you won't. but i'm going to point out things that i think are sketchy before i die.
I'm pretty sure we would, actually, if you are in fact a villager who is now paying attention

to people who may not know me: i'm an easy target for wolves to put suspicion on too, so don't forget who's pushing this if i go down
Heavy eye roll at this. Yeah, you are just such a picnic to go after 😉

Got 5 minutes for lunch. Saw that someone brought up my votes for ny then Snowy. Ny wasn’t a serious vote, and I’m probably not going there today. Snowy was half serious, in that I tend to get Snowy lynched and find this amusing, but also Snowy is smart enough to pick AM for a N1 kill to implicate people who played the lounge game. I would like to hear more from Snowy.
There is literally nothing sketchy about all of those catch up posts Snowy just made.

Try again
 
She bussed other wolves HEAVILY in the noob game.

Like, led the lynch on one of them. Without us coaching her to do so.

Don't discount it as a possibility.

Lol I won't. Wasn't that Staffy, though? Lol, no offense to him, he was so creative, but even I would have led the lynch on him because he was... so creative.
 
You’re right I did not mention it before the post you quoted, but I also didn’t read/participate much today until after the three votes on Ny had already accumulated. The fact that she is in the lead is the whole reason I mentioned it. I didn’t want to wait until closer to lynch close because in past games very few people switch if that kind of info is revealed so late. I was going to bring it up again later (like in an hour or two) if no one said anything about it though.

This makes rational sense, yet still has me going, WHAAAT??? Not sure which to trust, head or gut on whether this defense holds.
 
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