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[Crayola227]

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I'm just playing with you.

Anyway, we all know the reason for my lynch was as weak as it gets, so it's not like the credit really means much.

Here's a fun fact. When LIS plays for reals, isn't too busy with IRL, he plays with razor sharp villager logic. He always gets on my case for most of my posts talking about myself... yet this game, he's talked more about himself than I've ever seen before.

Many of the posts scream, "I'm a villager!"

He says he got lucky with the fingering of YK... or did he? Also he's voted for other noobs and gone after them. That's classic LIS when he's not otherwise using razor sharp villager logic, but that habit of his and his occasional propensity to tunnel also make good wolf camo for him.

 

[Crayola227]

I am properly chastised. After the practical tomorrow, I can be more active and actually go back and see why Youngkal flipping wolf puts Allie in the hot seat.

Exactly. Why did it?

 

[Crayola227]

So I iso’d Allie and Kal’s posts together to get a good timeline of who voted for whom, when. All times are in MST because I can’t be bothered to switch right now.

Kal was the first of the two of them to place a lynch vote at 6:58pm, a little more than an hour before lynch close. She voted to lynch Pippy due to her thinking Pippy’s claim to only half-commit was a wolf cover-up. Three minutes later, Allie votes to lynch LIS; one of her reasons is that she doesn’t like his vote against Kal. Six minutes later, Kal replies to Allie and says:

Could be going along with a fellow wolf, like you said.

At 7:54pm, six minutes to lynch close, Kal unlynches Pippy but she doesn’t lynch LIS until a full five minutes later, one minute to close.

Also, Pippy accused Allie and Kal of cross-liking, to which Allie basically responded with a ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So I’m gonna
contingency lynch Allie
…and it’s not based (solely) on likes.

Good summary from Capri on why Allie came up on the radar in relation to YK. Unless of course Capri is a wolf setting her up. I dunno. Trust no one.

 

[Crayola227]

why are you singling out genny and allieh? or did I miss that they are the only ones who haven't checked in yet? Aren't there others? So, why?

Youngkal liked this post of mine. I wasn't trying to defend them, I was mostly challenging Pippy. However, I wouldn't put it past a noob wolf to like a post that seems to take some heat off their buddies.

Just food for thought. I know people say not to look at likes, but in my experience, from the right liker under the right conditions, they can be unintentional clues.

More food for thought. It would be a helluva a coincidence that Pippy called out two wolves in her post that she said was based on a prior Lounge game, and that prompted YK's like. I don't think as a wolf she would single out not one but two wolves in one post like that. I think he liked it for me questioning the call out of genny. I'm leaning village on both Pippy and Allie for all the quotes so far given. LIS is starting to bug me. I need to look at all the others on the board.

 

[Crayola227]

Like anything in WW it isn't foolproof. But it really can work sometimes. However, I would caution that often if you suspect 2 players based on likes, it's not unusual that one is a villager. I will spare you all my advanced theory on this.

I was interested in allie given YK's likes. Everyone said likes were bunk, but from noob wolf YK I think we can see the wolfy intent on his like of my post questioning Pippy calling out genny. So fair to say noob wolfness was informing his likes.

As I said, often in the case where I suspect 2 players on the basis of cross-liking posts, only one is villager. YK was wolf. Allie is smart. Therefore, I don't know that she would have liked posts that would link her to YK.

 

[Crayola227]

I maaaaaybe fed LIS a little BS in PM yesterday; I would likely be dead this morning if he was not village.

(If he saw it, that is. 😉 )

Or he could tell that is what you were doing, and left you alive so you could read that as village and give him even more village cred. He might even be smart enough to read that you were offering him wolf-bait.

 

[Crayola227]

Except I can prove it: I was all confused about day/night. 🙂

I'm not "playing dumb" as in gosh, I'm an idiot.

I'm just saying that some of you people have time to look at timestamps and remember every last little detail ... and I don't. I surf the game and trust my gut. So it's pretty commonplace for me to do something like vote for a dead person, or forget that it's night when it's day or vice versa.

So when I get called out for something typical like that, it raises my eyebrow because it doesn't make sense to call me out for what is super typical gameplay for me.

In particular, allieh is coming at me a bit unjustifiably hard this game. Can't tell if she's just being pissy about my vote on her, or if she's overreacting because she's wolfy, or ... *shrug*

Maybe she's coming at you so hard because you're a wolf. Just saying.

Hm. Interesting, but for reasons that I shouldn't put in thread.

BTW, Pippy and I are totally in cahoots.

Just that we're in cahoots for Team Village.

More hey look I'm village.

Thumbs up to all of those.

This was a thumbs up to a proposed lynch of Ny, Stella, and some other quiet noob I think. I find you tend to go for those sort of lynches as a villager, but it does give you a +1 sketch factor. This is your signature move that makes so much sense when you're villager, but also gives you wolf camo.

LIS, I know you aren't an idiot. And that's not what I was implying by my "playing dumb" comment. I just mean that it seems more often than not, when you're called out for things and you come back with the argument that whatever you're being called out for is due to confusion, it's just kind of dropped because "Oh that's just LIS being LIS" and I think sometimes it's a good cover when you're wolfy. What I'm trying to say in not so many words is, I just don't like that argument anymore when people think you're sketchy. The game is about picking up on subtleties and weird behavior. I thought what you did was weird and that's that...I stand by it whether you were confused about the cycle or not.

I'm not pissy about your vote on me, and I'm not a wolf. You're probably just not used to me talking this much, especially this early on and about you in particular. This is just typical me making myself look sketch on D1. You'll realize I haven't voted to lynch you, and won't be today. It's not personal, just voicing frustrations over something I feel happens time and time again.

Allie's point was real, and it almost seems LIS was making more of it than he should.

Listen, I'm not trying to sell us that he's wolf. I am trying to review what's going on and why.

Probably nyanko and genny.
Ny for just popping in to say "hi friends" and genny for voting to lynch her for "never seeing her be so friendly before". Then unlynching ny and switching to snowy because she didn't realize she was playing? Just felt like a cop out vote to me but it was D1.
Also I don't think I've played with WeimMama so would like to hear more from her, but I def want to hear more from Nyanko first.

This level of analysis on a fellow wolf's voting behavior? Could be. Allie is playing one helluva wolf in sheep's clothing going by what I'm seeing, if she is wolf.

Don't know what to read of genny on ny, what it means for ny.

To elaborate on why I'm asking... your reads were dead on during the baking game. I'm pretty sure you called out every wolf accurately at least once throughout the course of the game, and were the most consistent villager in terms of voting for wolves. So I would prefer not to lose that if possible.

Edit: ninja'd, thanks

Follow up: is there a reason why you're holding back from voting in any of these directions? That's what has stood out to me as the biggest difference in your play this game vs. the last 2 games I saw you in.

Good points.

 

[kaydubs]

When Crayola talks to herself for an entire page of the thread...

 

[Crayola227]

I'm kind of running under the assumption that a wolf probably joined in on the kal vote, I don't think it was LIS or Pippy at the moment.

lynch capri

Yes... but why not LIS?

 

[Crayola227]

also, I had a PM item night 1 and didn't use it because I don't trust any of you and didn't feel the need to talk to anyone. come at me

Curious about your thought process for this switch. I don't recall you giving thoughts on kal before switching.

I'm not sure it's super necessary to be so vague/subtle about items in the first place. The good thing about items is that they are easier and less dangerous to track than ability use. Right now I'm not even sure if we have two or three different PM items. Jumping forward to today, I kind of think the whole monetary value of the item thing is silly...

WZ questioning Pip's move from Allie to YK. Not even sure why she had voted Allie at that point anyway.

Well if you insist

Unlynch allie
Lynch nyanko

You checked in to know that you got a PM item but didn't bother to cast a lynch vote.

I agreed with this point, which was made before I went at it with Ny. But as I said that day, my vote was with Coop as she had been on my list from the start.

get your eyes checked friendo. my first post today was a lynch vote.

Yes, but I thought you said you got the item N1?

We started on a night cycle. You did not vote on D1.

and i didn't say i had an item until today. i forgot to vote yesterday. oops.

ok can you check your timelines here then please? Because I don't think I'm going crazy...But obviously could be, because vet school.

Last night was N2

You did not vote D1, which was after N1 when you say you saw this item
You did vote D2 (today)

1)checked in
2) saw PMs
3) responded saying lol i'm not using this item night 1 thanks
4) posted hello in the thread
5) f'd off to play videogames

today i actually posted real things. my b

*shrug*

I know being absent is not unusual for you; being selectively absent is a tad bit more concerning in my mind. And I still feel like that timeline doesn't entirely check out.

if i had used it people would probably think it was suspicious anyhow because i am pretty well known for not really talking in PMs, especially early on.

to people who may not know me: i'm an easy target for wolves to put suspicion on too, so don't forget who's pushing this if i go down

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are you soft clearing allie here

lol, so me agreeing that your behavior is not village friendly is soft clearing someone else? nice way to spin the criticism of you to cast shade on the person criticizing you

tone policing, trying to "teach" noobs game mechanics, word vomit. unlynch lawper and lynch crayola

silent player that you can't read, usually ghosts, and we've typically lost to because we didn't want to lynch her for silence, who's also basically just done what they always do as defense, "I don't care about village, I'll play/not play however I want,"

unlynch coopah

lynch nyanko

since everyone today thinks it's better to police through lynch votes than just words

you're already setting yourself up for when i flip village with this "there are reasons for voting for villagers" thing too. nice

this is your second comment (that I've noticed) that is "you'll regret it when i flip village" kinda junk and it really rubs me the wrong way

you already were setting up everyone who was "driving your lynch" - ie anyone criticizing you

Sorry, but on review, I find all this wolfy af.

Rather than a blanket statement that anyone driving your lynch is a wolf, since villagers can drive/get on those lynches, just call out who you think is wolfy. Because vague statements like yours are used by wolves to get everyone to back off. They don't care that when they die everyone knows it's a lie. And if you are a villager and you pull that statement, you can just needlessly take down some misguided villagers with you.

Basically, it just increases paranoia and discourages discussion.

i'm not saying anyone will regret losing me as a villager, clearly you won't. but i'm going to point out things that i think are sketchy before i die.

and i think it's sketchy to go full tilt at someone but cushion it in statements about how that person may or may not be wolfy, or that there are valid reasons for lynching villagers

Ny claims she didn't PM because that would make her look wolfy since that's not in her villager meta... um, yes, that could be a villager trying to avoid unwarranted suspicion. That could also be a wolf. Just because Ny doesn't usually PM, and then didn't choose to PM here where it might have made sense, doesn't make it less of a potentially wolfy move. I see why people say it's not wolfy for Ny not to PM. In this instance, she could just be trying to avoid looking wolfy. Which wolves do.

I'm not trying to push her as wolf, but I stand by the fact that I voted for her and did not like her play was justified, and not baseless wolfiness at all on my part.

 

[Crayola227]

Are you actually going to do anything useful in the game, or are you just going to show up and attack me for not being useful when you yourself haven't done anything?

Screw it:

unlynch whomever (allieh?)
lynch Stella Mudd

The idiocy level is just too high with this one.

This looks a bit like lazy voting overall. Ditzy wolf LIS would be more likely not to remember his previous bandwagon vote in his switch to a noob. Villager LIS seems more invested in his lynch votes.

You should currently not suspect me, because I'm village.

You should suspect me around 80% of the way through the game when the wolves convert me against my will. Unless kaydubs gives me an option to "convert or die."

Another post from LIS screaming "I'm villager." Where's the razor sharp logic this game?

Wording here kinnnnnnda smacks of "right wolf, wrong reason" frustration.

The comment "you should suspect me when" LIS' point that sounded like this very thing, ironically.

Hmm... Chances capri is a noob wolf and lynched wolf YK to put her in the lead yesterday with only a half hour before lynch is probably low.

Lynch WZ

Yeah, besides hiding that intel on Ny in a spoiler tag, which in my view doesn't clear EITHER of them, I'm not getting the wolf suspicion on Capri. These could be really noob wolf moves

 

[Crayola227]

For the record, here’s what I got from it: “You get warm, safe feelings thinking about him. Definitely someone you would want to spend time around later.”

Ecstasy.

 

[Crayola227]

need to hear more from

@Coopah
@SnowshoeDog143
@nyanko
@WeimMama
@WildZoo

There's probably others but I haven't looked at the roster again.

 

[Crayola227]

Tbf the results were also late, so I’m willing to believe RM is just having an off week. 😉

Are the PM items not drugs? I was sure at least one of them was a blunt.

What made you so sure of this?

 

[Crayola227]

I cant speak for capri, but I didn't start with drugs. I was offered them a few hours into the N1.

Makes me think it was from MJ. Incidentally a nickname for mary jane.

 

[SkiOtter]

He says he got lucky with the fingering of YK...

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[Mad Jack]

I'm seriously wondering what this means, especially since I think it was implied that MJ gives out drugs. What does the last sentence mean???

It means I can favor wolves or villagers, but for now I'm remaining an unbiased arbiter of destruction and fun.

 

[Mad Jack]

Makes me think it was from MJ. Incidentally a nickname for mary jane.

I only deal in specific drugs. Whether that is one of mine, well... That I won't tell. I like the ones that make my shareholders happy, generally.

 

[Crayola227]

Follow up:

How do you feel about capri's item claim?

It is believable. Especially if anyone was jailed last night.

Why does the concept of jailing make the timeline of getting drugs later into the cycle more likely?

 

[kaydubs]

Night closed, writeup and sults pending.

***grumpy, don't mind me....****

 

[Crayola227]

I'm only on page 14 of the epic re-read... I stayed up all night for the super blue blood moon, so that probably explains all the "looney" posting... I wanted to get all the annoying things I have to say out before I have a chance to be nightkilled for being annoying...

 

[kaydubs]

“After an incredibly exciting night filled with a missing person being found and a gang member behind bars, there is no news to report."

*rage-quits*

It is now Day 5. Lynch will close at 9 pm Central/10 pm Eastern/7 pm Pacific.

There are 11 players remaining.

Roster:
1. @Crayola227
3. @Lawper
4. @allieh8607
5. @WildZoo
8. @LetItSnow
9. @WeimMama
10. @PippyPony
12. @SnowshoeDog143
13. @nyanko
14. @capri1722
15. @Coopah

NPC: @Mad Jack

Dead: @Animal Midwife (Vanillager)
Dead: @youngkal (Wolf)
Dead: @MixedAnimals77 (Vanillager)
Dead: @Stella Mudd (Vanillager)
Dead in 20 years: @genny (Wolf)

 

[Crayola227]

Nope, don't think you're being dumb. This is a legit concern of mine as well; she is now on my general list of people who should be lynched before end game.

Just am not ready to move there yet, I don't think.

Hey, at least 3 games where I made it to end game we won.... probably won more games where I lived than when I died. Granted, once was village, another wolf shut out, and another chaos... all tough wins.

Not so sure anyone on my team, should want me dead. I am not a damn nut to crack!!

 

[JustPaws]

Dead in 20 years: @genny (Wolf)

*****
Damn, fast trial
******

 

[kaydubs]

*****
Damn, fast trial
******

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Judge, jury, and executioner.
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[Crayola227]

I get outrage, and I get that she made you feel guilty, I'm just wondering why that made you think she was a wolf? Because this isn't about lynching people who bug you, it's about winning as a team. Rage can definitely blindside you to some people, I'm asking that we take a step back emotionally and consider the facts. Capri, whom I have my doubts about but that is an aside, told us she had mod info that Ny was good, and you choose to still keep your vote there. Why? Was it to save your friend? I'm seriously wondering at your logic here. Was it because she made you mad? It's not only you, I'm looking hard at the other people on her lynch. You just seem like the only person whom I can interrogate because I know something of their reasoning behind the vote. I'm not saying you're wolfy... yet, I just want to know your thought process here.

More on that. I was actually quite calm initially when I was saying I didn't like the behavior about the PM item. At the time, and upon reflection, it seemed like she really wanted a fight. Allie was sorta in that too. If a wolf wants to look like some villager on villager and a distraction, I think I make an appealing target. In any case, the posts before the vote were not rage. When she voted me, and partly because I didn't like how LIS was talking to my friend, and other stuff where I think she's saying "frak your play and die" more than "hey you're a wolf," the post that placed a vote for her, was rage, and also justified that like LIS, I think Ny needs to go at some point in any game. The posts after, I cooled quite a bit. Partly cuz the guilting post she made. Then the whole thing felt like manipulation. When I feel someone's posts are meant to manipulate me and aren't genuine, I'm not voting off someone. And then add the fact I was trying to preservate Stella.

 

[WeimMama]

“After an incredibly exciting night filled with a missing person being found and a gang member behind bars, there is no news to report."

So now the question is who was blocked last night

 

[Crayola227]

Also my two cents,

I have seen that it's a WW mechanic to have various types of seers, like an insane one, one that only gets back villager results, wrong results, RNG results, opposite results... if we think the drugs have a seering effect, we ight have to face up to the idea that maybe since they are drugs, that we can't trust anything they tell us. Especially since he seems MJ passes them out.

 

[Crayola227]

But y tho

Cray has been more off the wall and internally inconsistent than usual in my mind. I just get this feeling she's not actually playing for the village this time. She was pushing ny's lynch for reasons that to me seemed very hypocritical as well.

Dude, why is hypocrisy a reason to vote me? and it's hardly hypocritical

My point is this dudes: I've been told OVER and OVER how wolfy/sketchy and crappy my village play is. So how is it LESS wolfy coming from a player dude we expect not to play that way? That's why I don't like it, dude. If you're a crazy dude, cool. If not, don't do it, dude.

 

[Crayola227]

So now the question is who was blocked last night

Dude, couldn't it be drugs doing the "blocking?"

Dude, I wonder if the drugs are making the wolves too wasted to kill.

 

[WildZoo]

need to hear more from

@Coopah
@SnowshoeDog143
@nyanko
@WeimMama
@WildZoo

There's probably others but I haven't looked at the roster again.

Lol you need to hear more from me? Pretty sure besides pip I've posted more than anyone else here.

 

[WildZoo]

Reread this thinking about whether or not WZ or LIS is a wolf, and tell me which way you take it.

I'm leaning towards neither 😉

 

[Crayola227]

I'd be more interested in whether someone would fess up to blocking or jailing someone else.

So now the question is who was blocked last night

Dude, irony. I mean, part of how we caught genny was what seemed like power role hunting.

 

[Crayola227]

There could, but a small game with (apparently) limited PRs? If it were a block, I'd expect the blocker to be blunt about pushing the lynch of the person they blocked.

And since that isn't happening, conversion stands as most likely option.

I can understand why you would want someone to fess up if there is a village blocker or jailer who could have stopped a wolf, but if there's a wolf blocker they're not going to say anything anyways, and it wouldn't have stopped a kill in the first place.

And if it was a village jailer, it also could have been the protection aspect that stopped the kill, soooo why would you want that on the thread

I’m especially interested to hear if anyone blocked. Since besides conversion that’s the most likely reason for a no kill night.

Ah you’re right. Blocking was just the next thing to come to mind.

And I should qualify my previous request with: only if it was an item and not a PR. That’s important.

Dude, we caught onto genny partly cuz PR hunting... yet seem to gloss over what could be LIS' more subtle attempt here. And dude, note that Capri makes it soooo clear that she isn't trying to PR sniff. Could be villager, dude, but...

 

[Crayola227]

Lol you need to hear more from me? Pretty sure besides pip I've posted more than anyone else here.

Dude, I feel like we need more analysis. Pip was right to call you out earlier for making mechanics posts, and obvs I think your vote for me is weak sauce, dude. You're just a dude I want to hear more from despite post count.

 

[youngkal]

I was interested in allie given YK's likes. Everyone said likes were bunk, but from noob wolf YK I think we can see the wolfy intent on his like of my post questioning Pippy calling out genny. So fair to say noob wolfness was informing his likes.

As I said, often in the case where I suspect 2 players on the basis of cross-liking posts, only one is villager. YK was wolf. Allie is smart. Therefore, I don't know that she would have liked posts that would link her to YK.

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[Crayola227]

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Sorry dudette. I mean, I remembered in some of my posts, dude.
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[Crayola227]

Dude, I forgot to tag @Lawper as another we need to hear more from.

 

[PippyPony]

Lynch allie

Not a guarantee but also not just feels

 

[PippyPony]

So now the question is who was blocked last night

Wait, how do you know someone was blocked vs protected? Or some other mechanic?

Tempted to swap my vote to you for this because of genny's comments about blocking

 

[WeimMama]

Wait, how do you know someone was blocked?

Tempted to swap my vote to you for this because of genny's comments about blocking

Le sigh. The mod post clearly stated “a gang member behind bars” aka in jail and if the wolves are gang members, and a gang member was in jail and no one was killed last night that all seems to go in line with a wolf being blocked...

 

[PippyPony]

Le sigh. The mod post clearly stated “a gang member behind bars” aka in jail and if the wolves are gang members, and a gang member was in jail and no one was killed last night that all seems to go in line with a wolf being blocked...

I thought that could also mean genny? She was put in jail last night as per the details of her arrest in the lynch write up.

 

[PippyPony]

MJ were you trying to party with me last night?

 

[PippyPony]

MJ were you trying to party with me last night?

Whoops should probably tag him for attention

@Mad Jack

 

[allieh8607]

Goodness, I’ve never gotten so much attention from a fellow player before, cray 😍

 

[Crayola227]

Goodness, I’ve never gotten so much attention from a fellow player before, cray 😍

Lol, love right back at you, dude. And mostly positive attention no less! Dude, I think one day soon you'll be able to speak freely as a villager and not get lynched D3!

 

[WeimMama]

I thought that could also mean genny? She was put in jail last night as per the details of her arrest in the lynch write up.

I mean that’s possible but my instinct reading it coupled with no kill just immediately made me think blocking.

 

[PippyPony]

I mean that’s possible but my instinct reading it coupled with no kill just immediately made me think blocking.

Ok but it also could be that you have the same information that genny had, and just slipped up.

 

[WeimMama]

Ok but it also could be that you have the same information that genny had, and just slipped up.

No it couldn’t be that

 

[PippyPony]

No it couldn’t be that

Why couldn't it be that?