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[WildZoo]

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I meant accidentally not submitting kills.

I can't even imagine that being a thing really. Maybe if we only have one wolf and they forgot they were playing but I don't think there's been anyone who hasn't checked in for an extended period of time.

 

[PippyPony]

I can't even imagine that being a thing really. Maybe if we only have one wolf and they forgot they were playing but I don't think there's been anyone who hasn't checked in for an extended period of time.

Or if there's like, a really noobish noob wolf who is on their own and also has only been around ~once per day?

 

[PippyPony]

I actually really wish you were doing this to screw with me. Using my own idea against me to mess me up...that would be pretty fun.

I don't think you are. But maybe someday, for the lulz.

🤣

 

[WildZoo]

Or if there's like, a really noobish noob wolf who is on their own and also has only been around ~once per day?

Mods would 100% be bugging him to submit.

 

[WildZoo]

I actually really wish you were doing this to screw with me. Using my own idea against me to mess me up...that would be pretty fun.

I don't think you are. But maybe someday, for the lulz.

🤣

Hmmm. Might actually be something to do in the future, I don't know that I've strategically decided not to kill before 😛

 

[WildZoo]

I also am still looking for item updates. Did all the items disappear?

 

[PippyPony]

No cray she WANTS to die. I know the feeling, she has a test coming up and it would be convenient to die.

Again pretty sure pip just wants to die because of IRL commitment to that vortex that is vet school lol.

It is 100% this. Normally I wouldn't do this but my upcoming anatomy exam is one that is notorious for causing actual breakdowns.

It's also one of the reasons I've been so flagrant with role sharing in PM and on the thread.

And is also why I turned down what I thought was conversion.

Basically, am not good at self control so if I'm dead I have to study. Haha

But obviously will keep playing until then.

 

[PippyPony]

I also am still looking for item updates. Did all the items disappear?

I was wondering that too.

Haven't heard anything about the other phones since a couple days ago; pretty much no indication of other drugs.


Have a feeling today is going to be a boring day because no night kill and am guessing it was a quiet night...sooooo if there was anyone who didn't have a quiet night, please entertain us 🙂

 

[PippyPony]

Hmmm. Might actually be something to do in the future, I don't know that I've strategically decided not to kill before 😛

Just thought of a cool mechanic related to that -- it would be interesting to let wolves have an option to hoard kills by foregoing them on prior nights, then have a burst effect with multiple kill attempts in one night. Anyone done something like that before?

 

[LetItSnow]

“Good morning Tri-state Metro!

Bad weather is expected today with temperatures below zero and wind chills exceeding -20 degrees. All schools and most businesses are closed with the exception of veterinary school. Those students are still expected to attend their 8 am lectures."

Clearly this game isn't set in MN, since nothing closes just because of temps like that.

 

[LetItSnow]

What if no kills is due to someone not submitting kills

Way I see it:

1) Continued conversion attempt; i.e. mods are letting people refuse, but are letting wolf/wolves continue until they get one;

2) Some sort of blocking/jailing/whatever failed kill; or

3) Wolves are dead, it's just some green neutral character left now with a win condition;

I sorta feel like if it were (2) we'd hear more, though.

 

[LetItSnow]

Mods would 100% be bugging him to submit.

Screw that. If there were one last wolf forgetting to submit moves, I'd just mod kill them and declare the village win.

That's not what's happening. I'd be amazed. Kaydubs wouldn't stand for it.

 

[WildZoo]

Just thought of a cool mechanic related to that -- it would be interesting to let wolves have an option to hoard kills by foregoing them on prior nights, then have a burst effect with multiple kill attempts in one night. Anyone done something like that before?

Not that i recall. Would be interesting for sure.

 

[WildZoo]

Screw that. If there were one last wolf forgetting to submit moves, I'd just mod kill them and declare the village win.

That's not what's happening. I'd be amazed. Kaydubs wouldn't stand for it.

Well i meant if it were a noob and it happened once. If it happened again, yeah. I imagine kaydubs would get stabby. So if kills aren't being submitted it is for strategic reasons.

 

[LetItSnow]

Just thought of a cool mechanic related to that -- it would be interesting to let wolves have an option to hoard kills by foregoing them on prior nights, then have a burst effect with multiple kill attempts in one night. Anyone done something like that before?

Not that I recall. I debated it once. I decided I wasn't sure how to balance it - my suspicion is that it is much stronger wolf-favoring than most people would suspect, since:

1) Villagers lose the once/night "villager clear" of a villager being killed;
2) No info to be gleaned from who is killed (not just that they are a villager);
3) Loss of tracking information - can't catch a wolf killing if they aren't doing it.

Flip side, village PRs live longer. But.... I think that's a weaker point than it really seems. (For instance, village tracking is less useful - it can clear people but not catch a wolf.)

All in all I think if someone does it, they're going to underestimate how much it favors the wolves and it won't be balanced well.

Maybe if it was little doses - like letting them skip 1 night and stockpile 1 kill or something.

 

[PippyPony]

3) Wolves are dead, it's just some green neutral character left now with a win condition;

There was something in the write up yesterday...? about people "still thinking there were gang members out there".

Could be that there is only a 3rd party left.

Can we lynch MJ? Lol

 

[WildZoo]

I could see third party but it should not be MJ. Unless mods are telling us lies.

 

[PippyPony]

All in all I think if someone does it, they're going to underestimate how much it favors the wolves and it won't be balanced well.

Noted. I didn't think about loss of tracking; that's a good point. I think I could come up with some compensatory measures, though. Hrm, hrm.

 

[PippyPony]

I could see third party but it should not be MJ. Unless mods are telling us lies.

(I was kidding)

 

[WildZoo]

D2

LIS (3) – allie, WZ, kal
Mixed Animals (2) – Crayola, Coopah
YoungKal (4) - LIS, Pippy, capri, Mixy
Stellamud (1) - Weimmama
SnowshoeDog (1) - Genny
capri (1) - Lawpy

12/15

D3
Alli (1) - Capri
Nyanko (3) - Alli, Cray, Stella
capri (3) - WZ, Pippy, genny
Stella (5) - LIS, Coop, Weim, ny, Lawpy
WZ (1) - Snowy

13/13 voting


D4
Cray (2) - WZ, nyan
Lawpy (3) - Weim, Snowy, genny
genny (6) - LIS, allie, Coop, capri, Cray, lawp
Capri (1) - Pippy

12/12

D5
allie (6) - Weim, WZ, LIS, ny, Coop, Pippy
Pippy (1) - allie
ny (1) - Cray
Weim (2) - capri, Snowy
Cray () -

10/11

 

[WildZoo]

I may reread genny's posts even though I really shouldn't

 

[LetItSnow]

Noted. I didn't think about loss of tracking; that's a good point. I think I could come up with some compensatory measures, though. Hrm, hrm.

For sure. I don't think it can't be balanced, and I think it could be interesting. I just think it would be super easy to underestimate the impact.

One of the biggest and most common mistakes mods make is just plain underestimating the confusion factor. Village relies on a lot of baseline assumptions (no kill = conversion or block usually) - as soon as you do something to undermine those assumptions it can really hurt the village. You can't expect village to land on the 'right' mechanic when you do something weird because hey, we're all creative people, we could sit and come up with 500 'out there' mechanics to explain just about anything.

 

[PippyPony]

D2

LIS (3) – allie, WZ, kal
Mixed Animals (2) – Crayola, Coopah
YoungKal (4) - LIS, Pippy, capri, Mixy
Stellamud (1) - Weimmama
SnowshoeDog (1) - Genny
capri (1) - Lawpy

12/15

D3
Alli (1) - Capri
Nyanko (3) - Alli, Cray, Stella
capri (3) - WZ, Pippy, genny
Stella (5) - LIS, Coop, Weim, ny, Lawpy
WZ (1) - Snowy

13/13 voting


D4
Cray (2) - WZ, nyan
Lawpy (3) - Weim, Snowy, genny
genny (6) - LIS, allie, Coop, capri, Cray, lawp
Capri (1) - Pippy

12/12

D5
allie (6) - Weim, WZ, LIS, ny, Coop, Pippy
Pippy (1) - allie
ny (1) - Cray
Weim (2) - capri, Snowy
Cray () -

10/11

Blue color is gonna mess me up

But, this makes me feel better about Coop and Capri (although slightly less so for her)

Neutral on cray and nyanko because of a mix of wolfy votes & villagey votes

Feel worse about weim & lawper.

Others either totally neutral or in line with what I would expect from village

 

[SportPonies]

*****
Kill everyone. That'll work.
*****

 

[WildZoo]

We haven't had any dea

Blue color is gonna mess me up

But, this makes me feel better about Coop and less so Capri.

Neutral on cray and nyanko because of a mix of wolfy votes & villagey votes

Feel worse about weim & lawper.

Others either totally neutral or in line with what I would expect from village

I used it to match the mods' color coding

Neither genny or kal had abilities, right?

 

[capri1722]

We haven't had any dea

I used it to match the mods' color coding

Neither genny or kal had abilities, right?

Correct, or at least the write ups didn’t specify any abilities.

Edit: Also I think the mods used a darker blue 😉

 

[WildZoo]

Whoops, that first part was me confirming we haven't had any deaths at night since Genny was lynched, but then I remembered that was correct so meant to delete it.

 

[PippyPony]

We haven't had any dea

This a comment on DEA presence? 😉 (kidding, I know it is typo)

Neither genny or kal had abilities, right?

Not that I recall.

I'm assuming there is one wolf with abilities because of what I know about village. Plus, someone restrained LIS, right?

 

[WildZoo]

I'd be kind of surprised at only two original wolves with no abilities... So I'm leaning towards a third original. That plus lynch tallies brings me back to capri.

 

[WeimMama]

... Night cancel?

See now when I made assumptions people thought it was wolfy 😛

for now i'm gonna

lynch cray

pretty dang tempted to take her own advice and lynch pippy though.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm assuming there is one wolf with abilities because of what I know about village. Plus, someone restrained LIS, right?

Yup

 

[PippyPony]

See now when I made assumptions people thought it was wolfy 😛

for now i'm gonna

lynch cray

pretty dang tempted to take her own advice and lynch pippy though.

I thought yours was wolfy because I knew wolves knew I could jail.

Pretty sure wolves aren't responsible for weather-driven night cancel

 

[WildZoo]

I actually didn't read it as night cancel but I have no way to confirm that. I'd lean towards not if nobody claims it.

 

[PippyPony]

pretty dang tempted to take her own advice and lynch pippy though.

Be my guest 😛

 

[PippyPony]

I actually didn't read it as night cancel but I have no way to confirm that. I'd lean towards not if nobody claims it.

For noobs: if you cancelled night, please claim it

 

[WildZoo]

I could still go back to cray. But. Early reads are best reads?

Lynch Capri

 

[PippyPony]

I could still go back to cray. But. Early reads are best reads?

Lynch Capri

Can you walk me through why you think she is wolfy, particularly the vote pattern?

I read the votes slightly differently so I am curious as to your thoughts

 

[WildZoo]

Can you walk me through why you think she is wolfy, particularly the vote pattern?

I read the votes slightly differently so I am curious as to your thoughts

I'm making a few assumptions that turn out to back up my ~feels~

Starting with three originals gets me back to the idea that a wolf probably jumped on the Kal lynch. I'm also thinking Genny probably voted for a fellow wolf at some point, maybe. I need to go look at the timing of it but Capri fits that too.

Haven't decided yet what I think about Genny voting for lawper on the day she went down though. Too much WIFOM.

 

[nyanko]

lynch cray i'm back on my bs

 

[nyanko]

i could probably be swayed towards weim or lawper. and the paranoia is starting to set in about pippy and WZ of course.

 

[ResoluteMike]

It is 100% this. Normally I wouldn't do this but my upcoming anatomy exam is one that is notorious for causing actual breakdowns.

Basically, am not good at self control so if I'm dead I have to study. Haha

****
On a side note, I feel your pain! Phys and Neuro next week.

****

 

[Crayola227]

This a comment on DEA presence? 😉 (kidding, I know it is typo)


Not that I recall.

I'm assuming there is one wolf with abilities because of what I know about village. Plus, someone restrained LIS, right?

Unless tinfoil that he is is the wolf or 3rd party... if he was 3rd party it would have been harder but not impossible for him to have caught YK N1

if you're the village jailer

 

[Crayola227]

If we can explain the other no-kill nights, I forgot if one we had chalked up to Pippy, might help us lean towards conversion here

LIS with the early wolf take down might have been a good conversion target

being chemically restrained doesn't sound like police business, could have been thugs
or rehab, since that's an actual thing

 

[Crayola227]

if we really think 3rd party here, I'm even more worried that trying to get lynched is the mechanism of win

just because if all the wolves are dead, why would the game continue like this? because they have to be the last to survive? with no night kills, that condemns village to a LOT of mislynches of villagers... sort of cruel for mod not to call it, unless the condition is to get lynched

 

[Crayola227]

not trying to cast aspersions, genuinely just brainstorming for village

it seems like sometimes when villagers put stuff out there to consider, and then die, we forget all about the points they made
points that may be wrong, but at least you know were made in earnest

please don't forget me when I'm gone

 

[Crayola227]

is there a player who lives where the snow would take down their ability to submit a nightkill, which is why it wouldn't get a modkill? that sort of assumes one wolf I guess

 

[WildZoo]

I really don't think we're down to just a third party when we've only caught two wolves

 

[PippyPony]

If we can explain the other no-kill nights, I forgot if one we had chalked up to Pippy, might help us lean towards conversion here

So, with Allie flipping village, I am not responsible for any of the no kill nights.

Fun fact I did try to jail YoungKal on N1 but was politely prompted to actually read my role description where it said "even night" haha

 

[PippyPony]

I really don't think we're down to just a third party when we've only caught two wolves

What are your thoughts on the "chemical restraint"?

Also, @LetItSnow could you post your results for that night? I would like some more info on that.

 

[PippyPony]

please don't forget me when I'm gone

Here lies cray
She just wanted to play