WWhat a Normal, Boring, Everyday Vet Clinic - Game Thread

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LetItSnow said:
Agreed on both accounts (except maybe for hypercalcemia .... sure, there are all the HOGS IN YARD rule/outs, but let's face it, next to renal failure, cancer is the biggie ... everyone will say "a-ha! hyperparathyroidism!" but gimme a break - how many hypercalcemic patients are hyperparathyroid compared to how many are cancer?).
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Trilt said:
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Recently went to CE for one of our local specialty hospitals, and I don't know where they're citing this from or just in their experience, but he claimed in the absence of renal disease, 2/3rds of feline hypercalcemia patients are hyperC of malignancy, and 2/3rds of those are lymphoma.
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DVMDream said:
Weird I thought for cats after renal, idiopathic hypercalcemia was more common than neoplasia.
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Not game related, but I have a cat with idiopathic hypercalcemia. Diagnosed at least 5 years ago, controlled by giving him psyllium husk in his food.
 
hazelmoo said:
I'm home!!!!! :biglove:

PBC, you've GOT to be kidding me (won't let me quote your post from my phone right now). I didn't want to be the first to vote for coop because she voted for me, and it would have been seen as "retaliation" if all I had were feels. I still think that my vote for coop is what got the ball rolling on her lynch, and I'm annoyed that you are so set on me being a wolf when I think it's so obvious I'm not (would she really have been sneaky enough to vote for a fellow wolf, no).

The more I read, the more I could go for an AM lynch... but I don't really want to switch my lynch from gwen since she's barely checked in or defended even though she knows she's in the lead :thinking:
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I'm not *set* on you being a wolf. If I was, why wasn't I lynching you today? Your response is overblown.

In response to the bolded - you want to give automatic villager status to everyone Coop voted for? Because of a highly WIFOM assumption? Come on.
 
hazelmoo said:
Probably nothing, yet. The first couple of lynches are usually based off of people's posts and voting patterns (aka, feels)
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I'm trying not to tunnel on hazel, but jeez, come on. People's posts and voting patterns aren't what we're talking about when we talk about "feels." Posts and voting patterns are what the game is about - analysis.
 
WildZoo said:
I'm trying not to tunnel on hazel, but jeez, come on. People's posts and voting patterns aren't what we're talking about when we talk about "feels." Posts and voting patterns are what the game is about - analysis.
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It might be worth tunneling on her.

- claimed she was suspicious of Coop before anyone else but couldn't vote because we'd think her vote was just retaliation

- weird comment in response to AM

- hyperbolic response to my post, and she thinks anyone Coop voted for = village because Coop wouldn't be clever enough to vote for a wolf

It's stacking up.
 
PrincessButterCup said:
It might be worth tunneling on her.

- claimed she was suspicious of Coop before anyone else but couldn't vote because we'd think her vote was just retaliation

- weird comment in response to AM

- hyperbolic response to my post, and she thinks anyone Coop voted for = village because Coop wouldn't be clever enough to vote for a wolf

It's stacking up.
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I'm feeling the same it's just whenever I get this way about someone I tend to be wrong 😛
 
WildZoo said:
I'm trying not to tunnel on hazel, but jeez, come on. People's posts and voting patterns aren't what we're talking about when we talk about "feels." Posts and voting patterns are what the game is about - analysis.
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.... then what are feels? Is it not based on the way people act on the thread?
PrincessButterCup said:
It might be worth tunneling on her.

- claimed she was suspicious of Coop before anyone else but couldn't vote because we'd think her vote was just retaliation

- weird comment in response to AM

- hyperbolic response to my post, and she thinks anyone Coop voted for = village because Coop wouldn't be clever enough to vote for a wolf

It's stacking up.
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No, I'm just annoyed because I clearly stated that I would be MIA for the first couple of days, I'm always tunneled on and it's never valid. Not to mention that you're barking up the complete wrong tree when you could be using your amazing detective skills to get an actual wolf. And HOW was my comment "weird"? I was answering her question because she was wondering what people had on her besides feels - literally nothing...
 
Where I stand right now on order of people for wolfiness from most wolfy to least wolfy:

(wolf to wolf lean)
NSFW
Lyra
Pippy
Hmoo
Caiter
LoTF
Jil
Nyanko
(Neutral)
AM
PBC
Serher
Great Butts
(villager lean to villager)
BBC
LIS
sportsponies
MJ
DVMD
MMM
Dubz
Cdo
 
PrincessButterCup said:
- hyperbolic response to my post, and she thinks anyone Coop voted for = village because Coop wouldn't be clever enough to vote for a wolf
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When tf did I say this?! I said that she voted for me because "I was the first one" which is sketchy as all get out considering I'm a villager --> I broke the tie that led to her eventual lynch. No, I don't think she would have been clever enough to use her first vote to vote for another wolf, because she didn't.
 
hazelmoo said:
.... then what are feels? Is it not based on the way people act on the thread?
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It is just what it sounds like. A feeling of wolfiness that you can't really put your finger on or explain. That's not the same as analyzing posts and finding things that are sketchy/inconsistent/otherwise wolfy, or looking at voting patterns for evidence of foul play.
 
hazelmoo said:
.... then what are feels? Is it not based on the way people act on the thread?

No, I'm just annoyed because I clearly stated that I would be MIA for the first couple of days, I'm always tunneled on and it's never valid. Not to mention that you're barking up the complete wrong tree when you could be using your amazing detective skills to get an actual wolf. And HOW was my comment "weird"? I was answering her question because she was wondering what people had on her besides feels - literally nothing...
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Feels can mean two things. 1) I have a strong feeling about something, but can't quite elucidate exactly why. 2) I have other reasons for my vote that I don't quite want to put on the thread. Usually separate from most post analysis, and vote analysis.
 
I have my feels based on what people post and the way they sound when they post it...
 
hazelmoo said:
.... then what are feels? Is it not based on the way people act on the thread?

No, I'm just annoyed because I clearly stated that I would be MIA for the first couple of days, I'm always tunneled on and it's never valid. Not to mention that you're barking up the complete wrong tree when you could be using your amazing detective skills to get an actual wolf. And HOW was my comment "weird"? I was answering her question because she was wondering what people had on her besides feels - literally nothing...
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I'm not concerned about your lack of posting. I'm concerned about what you have posted.

You weren't one of the people who had feels for AM, so it didn't make sense for you to answer like that. I've had some *feels* for her, but they originated from specific things she's posted. When I talked about my feels for her I backed everything up with examples and explanations. It's not just arbitrary feelings that can't be analyzed, as your response seemed to suggest.
 
BeautifulBritishColumbia said:
If at first you don't succeed try try again.

Contingency lynch NSFW
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How sad, I feel like you just can't trust this little 12yo male intact Chihuahua with extreme halitosis and a mouth that probably has more wriggly teeth than healthy.

But that's Ok. Worst case scenario I've lived a good doggie life. Best case scenario more days for this old dog.

I'm totally down for learning new tricks, no matter what the adage says.
 
hazelmoo said:
When tf did I say this?! I said that she voted for me because "I was the first one" which is sketchy as all get out considering I'm a villager --> I broke the tie that led to her eventual lynch. No, I don't think she would have been clever enough to use her first vote to vote for another wolf, because she didn't.
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You didn't say that she wouldn't have made her first vote a fellow wolf, you implied any vote:

hazelmoo said:
PBC, you've GOT to be kidding me (won't let me quote your post from my phone right now). I didn't want to be the first to vote for coop because she voted for me, and it would have been seen as "retaliation" if all I had were feels. I still think that my vote for coop is what got the ball rolling on her lynch, and I'm annoyed that you are so set on me being a wolf when I think it's so obvious I'm not (would she really have been sneaky enough to vote for a fellow wolf, no)
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hazelmoo said:
Except that she only voted for one person, ME, because she got lynched on DAY 1
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She also voted for me, and I'm pretty sure at least 1 or 2 others . . . Let me go check for you 😀

Is there a rule that wolves can't waffle? 😵
 
hazelmoo said:
Except that she only voted for one person, ME, because she got lynched on DAY 1
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She voted for 4 different people on d1...and she didn't even the end the day on you, you were just her first vote...
 
I wouldn't underestimate Coop's ability to throw some shade around, though. I think it could be argued that her tag on gwen started all the gwen discussion, and helped move that lynch along today when Coop ended up a wolf, kind of like Raf mentioning Abs in last game.
 
hazelmoo said:
I didn't "assume" anything, I just only remembered her voting for me on D1.. probably because I mostly skimmed. Woops.
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She voted:

-HMoo
-NSFW (though she joked it was because of his avatar and unlynched within a minute)
-SportPonies
-Serher
-PBC
 
Honestly, I can't imagine why a wolf 1.) wouldn't have kept track of their fellow wolves' behavior on thread, and 2.) would make a blatantly false comment like this that's easily proven wrong.

The only thing making me think HMoo is a distracted villager (rather than a bad wolf) is that her mistakes are so egregious.
 
Sorry Gwen. 🙁 I wish you'd tried to defend yourself more!

cdoconn said:
It's possible that there's a "punishment giver" or there was an item someone got or something like that. Which explains why Lyra's been talking with flowers all game, and Pippy only talked like this on Day 2.
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I think this must be the case, I'll be interested to see if someone has the same restriction or a different one tomorrow.

DVMDream said:
Or the dental disease is there (as it probably is in most geriatric patients) but the real issue is the tense abdomen.
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I agree with this, I can't see how dental disease alone would be enough for a dog to be hospitalized. I'd be interested to see a CBC/chem or maybe abdominal rads on NSFW at some point, but we should probably look at others as well. I'm definitely suspicious of AM at the moment.

Sorry I've been pretty quiet today, I'm still feeling really crappy IRL, but hopefully tomorrow I'll feel up to actually going through people's posts.
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LyraGardenia said:
I agree with this, I can't see how dental disease alone would be enough for a dog to be hospitalized. I'd be interested to see a CBC/chem or maybe abdominal rads on NSFW at some point, but we should probably look at others as well. I'm definitely suspicious of AM at the moment.
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I don't have anything that would require hospitalization either. Vet clinics have outpatients too, not just hospitalization...
 
NSFW said:
12yo male intact Chihuahua
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Somebody check his prostate! Who has a small pinky finger and likes getting bitten?

So bad teeth, tense abdomen, and a high likelihood of reproductive cancers... any takers, or is it just me who jumps repro all the time?
 
SummerTheLynx said:
@Trilt - Are there plurality rules in this game?
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Trilt said:
If there is a really overwhelming majority and almost everyone seems to have voted/defended, lynch may close early... but generally night/lynch deadlines will be 6AM/8PM EST, with a day and a half for all day cycles. No plurality rules. We can move these slightly forward or back if there is demand, and I promise to try my best to keep people up to speed if I will be early/late.
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LadyOtheFarm said:
Somebody check his prostate! Who has a small pinky finger and likes getting bitten?

So bad teeth, tense abdomen, and a high likelihood of reproductive cancers... any takers, or is it just me who jumps repro all the time?
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Prostatic cancers are actually less likely in intact males. BPH and prostatic abscesses are more likely in intact males. I'd expect a change in testicular size if testicular cancer were present.
 
DVMDream said:
Or the dental disease is there (as it probably is in most geriatric patients) but the real issue is the tense abdomen.
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Would a tense abdomen suggest sepsis? (Bacteria from the bad mouth?) We've opened a lot of septic animals at work but I don't know how they look on PE, I just know what they look like when deceased.
 
nyanko said:
I don't have anything that would require hospitalization either. Vet clinics have outpatients too, not just hospitalization...
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I'm well aware of that, I was just under the impression we were all hospitalized based on this bit from the opening writeup:

Trilt said:
But in any case, you're stuck together now, through (foreshadowing!) the upcoming thick and thin. Some of you have ailments much worse than others, and frankly I'm shocked a couple of you are still alive. Thank goodness you have such nice owners who agreed to hospitalization.
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But I guess I misunderstood, that's interesting to know.
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OK, NSFW info is making me feel even stronger that he is a wolf.

1. I still think (and the writeups so far support this) that this game is personal to Trilt and that the things she hates most will be wolves.
2. I can't think of a single person that likes chi dentals, never mind old chi dentals with a crap mouth. Seriously, just go look at the recent comments by a few people here regarding Dental Awareness Month. To me the role itself screams wolf.
3. His posting style is so different than what I would have expected, and very different from his tone in the Watering Hole. This obviously is worth pretty much nothing, but it was initially enough to make me take a second look.
4. So much fluff. Yes, is a noob, but there is 2 posts of actual thought this entire game. Those posts were simply piggybacking off of other opinions and going "I agree".
5. When things got bad for Coop D1, he flipped his vote to Ser who was one of the other front runners at the time. This was still at a point when Coop potentially could have been saved.

I really think this lynch will net us something.
 
PippyPony said:
Welp, I hope all of you who voted for gwen feel good about that right now. I can tell you that tomorrow I'm going to be looking really closely at this bracket.

Gwen (8) - serher, hmoo, LIS, [AM, ny, Lyra,] 3m, LotF
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Meh. I don't feel "bad" about it.

I mean, way I see it, there were enough people suspicious that even though I'd obviously rather see us net a wolf .... getting the question answered is worth it because now we can move on.

The whole "feel bad about lynching a villager" thing ... no way. That's the way the game goes. You take your shots, and most of the time you miss.

ETA: I just saw your follow-up posts. Fair 'nuff, sorry for ragging on you ad nauseum. It does still strike me as sketchy, though.
 
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cdoconn said:
I did a physical exam of @NSFW
Initial diagnosis: suuuuper fine. :naughty:

Geriatric Chihuahua

Findings:
Wt: 2.9kg
BCS: 7/9
Temp: 102.0
Pulse: 150 (this is fast)
Resp: 40 (this is also fast)
Hydration: Euhydrated
Attitude: QAR
Mucous membranes: Pink <2
Pain score: 0/4

EENT/Oral: Clear sclera/cornea. No ocular or nasal discharge. Several retained deciduous teeth, generalized severe dental tartar and associated gingivitis, no oral masses or lesions present.
CV/RESP: No murmurs or arrhythmias auscultated, femoral pulses strong and synchronous, normal bronchovesicular lung sounds, no crackles or wheezes.
GI/GU: Abdomen palpates tense. No palpable organomegaly, masses or fluid wave.
Lymph: All peripheral lymph nodes palpate soft, smooth, and symmetrical
MS: Ambulatory x4, no pain on palpation of long bones/joints
INTEG: Normal healthy haircoat with no signs of ectoparasites,
NEURO: BAR, appropriate mentation, CNs WNL, CPs normal


So in summary, NSFW (needs a dental) has teeth problems and a tense abdomen. No other issues that I see.
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Since when tf is a HR of 150 and a RR of 40 fast in a chihuahua in the hospital? Those sound super normal to me.

Other than being mildly obese and having chihuahua teeth and a tense abdomen ... meh ... boring PE.

Be interesting to see what the actual problem is with NSFW.
 
Gwenevre said:
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Give me some credit, I know a little better than that. 😛

Go village!
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Yer kinda approaching strategy with that comment, but I will say this: Hell, *I've* played the "people are too nice to lynch me without a defense" card before and had it work. It's a valid play. At least, it used to be.... I've probably bitched about it enough that it might be played out, but.....
 
Jilary said:
Not game related, but I have a cat with idiopathic hypercalcemia. Diagnosed at least 5 years ago, controlled by giving him psyllium husk in his food.
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Continuing the tangent, but that's cool. How high does its Ca go without therapy? Why treat it? Is the Ca x Ph that high, or is it symptomatic for its hyperCa?

I was taught the same thing as DVMD - that idiopathic is the 'next most common' cause. It's just been my experience that in reality, cancer is really the next most common. It sounds like that's what they taught at the CE Trilt went to (cancer over idiopathic).
 
DVMDream said:
Prostatic cancers are actually less likely in intact males. BPH and prostatic abscesses are more likely in intact males. I'd expect a change in testicular size if testicular cancer were present.
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And something palpable on rectal exam. Which OF COURSE was done because this was a totally thorough PE, right? 🙂
 
PrincessButterCup said:
Would a tense abdomen suggest sepsis? (Bacteria from the bad mouth?) We've opened a lot of septic animals at work but I don't know how they look on PE, I just know what they look like when deceased.
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Meh. I think all you can read into it is abdominal pain.

Or just a grumpy old chihuahua that doesn't like his belly palpated. Common 'nuff.
 
LetItSnow said:
Continuing the tangent, but that's cool. How high does its Ca go without therapy? Why treat it? Is the Ca x Ph that high, or is it symptomatic for its hyperCa?

I was taught the same thing as DVMD - that idiopathic is the 'next most common' cause. It's just been my experience that in reality, cancer is really the next most common. It sounds like that's what they taught at the CE Trilt went to (cancer over idiopathic).
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I don't remember how high his Ca was. We did bloodwork for something unrelated and discovered the high Ca. Then we tested ionized Ca, still high and we did full body rads and UA, those were normal. The Dr said it's good to treat because over time high Ca can be hard on the kidneys. :shrug:

Cancer probably is the most likely cause, my cat is just a weirdo! Oddly another of my cats came back hypercalcemic a few months later, but that was transient.
 
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