WWild WWedding Afterparty Game Thread - A Pipsy & Jbooze Production

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So it looks like N2 was a no kill night. That night I know that drinks were being handed out by someone. I know that someone took AM's place. I don't know how to connect those things for you people in a meaningful way, but there's the facts of N2.
 
So it looks like N2 was a no kill night. That night I know that drinks were being handed out by someone. I know that someone took AM's place. I don't know how to connect those things for you people in a meaningful way, but there's the facts of N2.
Are you saying any actions against AM would have gone to someone else? Do you know who?
 
Mel and BJ are obviously colluding somehow, from where it was said on the thread, it sounds like it was against me. I'm questioning if they were telegraphing on the thread on purpose. Makes me suspect they are PRs, and I can't see why they would flaunt that and not expect to be NK'd. There could be villager abilities at work for why that is, sure. Or it could be that one or both is a wolf. IIRC and I might not, something similar happened with telegraphing on thread, a seer dying (Pip?), and I can't recall if Mel was a wolf that game. Point is that Mel is certainly twisted enough for me to find it quite serious whatever he was openly planning with BJ on the thread, and the fact that it was open on the thread does not necessarily support they are village.

I highly doubt I'm going to be a wolf NK anytime soon based on this drama, at least. If in fact BJ or Mel are PRs (and I'm not the one giving this away, see Mel's post I'm talking about) and are NK'd, that's a great way to set me up.

If Mel is village, his little call to arms that if he dies myself or AM should be lynched is pretty idiotic. It just sets up the wolves to create some serious WIFOM. I think that's great if you want to champion our lynches because of whatever reasons, but that's a really crappy one to encourage.

OTOH, he can easily spin not being NK'd to also implicate either of us if he is a wolf. WIFOM right there.

I've seen wolves more than once say "If I die, lynch so and so!" to give weight to their crappy claims even though obviously they won't meet the condition of being NK'd, that's not the point if it's just verbal manipulation tactic. Villagers do it too, but it's bad play for reasons stated. So if I assume people try to avoid bad village moves, that suggests that someone doing that is a wolf. At least in my book, so all around I discourage and punish that sort of thing.

Note, that's not the same thing as when people say "if I die, lynch so and so" in a PM. I'm just saying I take issue with people doing that on thread.
 
I hadn't even considered the implications like that, Paws.

This is why sometimes it seems like I'm not doing amazing wolf hunting and I'm vague. I'm an ideas person. I can put out my thoughts on players and strategy and hope that others can put it together to good use.
 
Last I checked you didn't want genny lynched so idk why you are all about her and moose being lynched now.

This was from BJ to Mel.

I'm going off of posts and I will not be voting for genny. There is still a hole in this theory that she is a wolf, and it is that SAR was upgraded to be a jailer and blocker, and if the other bouncer got a similar upgrade then genny shouldn't be condemned here. It's interesting that Coop trusts this information so much, given that we still are missing a variable, and that PMing with genny did not make Coop think she was wolfy.
I will say tart has been throwing up red flags, because he voted to lynch genny yesterday with an attitude that read "oh, everyone else is lynching genny? That's what I'll do then" and tried to chalk it up to being a "grudge" that he has for her, which imo could have been something to play around with on D1, not D3. I don't like how he tries to play off the seriousness of his voting for genny, because it makes it seem like if genny did flip village, he could claim that it was just a joke vote, and not be expected to give reason or be held accountable beyond that. Village votes village all the time, but the lack of willingness to put his name on a vote, and give real reasons behind it sketches me out.

Coop is one of the other people I could vote for today actually. I find it odd to not have feels or concrete evidence on someone, and vote there anyway. What are your thoughts on Lawper?

This is where my eyebrow was raised, because you are accusing Mel of not being consistent if I read right, and in this above quote to whom I don't know now that I am typing this post, you are calling someone out for voting without feels or evidence, and in the other quote above, you're criticizing Tarty's haph hazard voting. To which I say:

um, sketchy timing BJ, gotta say

about the SAR vote switch you did.

My point was that you where shading people for what you see as crappy voting after you switched votes with < 15 min to close, without saying why at the time (IIRC) or really explaining later until i asked (IIRC).

I'm trying to point out that by your own words your behavior was sketchy. Then your response:

You can think of it this way, SAR was next on the chopping block after Moose and genny, and if I didn't want to vote for either of them then what makes the most sense?

Which I didn't really find that satisfying, but that's OK. Not everyone is satisfied when I give my reasons.

I can't recall if the way this unfolded that your vote for SAR was in a good direction or not... namely away from tie or Moose or Genny....

We keep blaming genny and moose for where the bandwagon went yesterday, what about BJ and other late voters/switchers??

Although at this point that could be academic. The runaway train mislynch of yet another villager in a village like ours (I don't just mean this game) is hardly unusual for this bunch.

I'm a fan of bandwagon voting as both villager and wolf, and even I've been just plain shocked at the trains lately. It's frankly more disgusting than most porn I watch and that's really saying something.

Here I'm just saying that if we are going to examine some players for last min vote switching and little reasoning, we should probably examine them all.

Possibly in your comments about people's votes and genny and moose, I got mixed up if you were trying to shade people for the SAR lynch or not specifically. But you ARE shading people for certain voting behaviors. See above.

But these aren't the same thing, you calling me out for switching, and saying that I was trying to shade those who were switching is two completely different things.

Maybe I'm mixed up that the people you were criticizing their votes, didn't have much to do with the SAR lynch. I can't ****ing recall. The point of my whole exercise here is that you are calling out people for things you yourself did.

That's not a sure fire sign of lycanthropy, that's not my point. I feel like you're acting like nothing about what you did was shady, and you're calling people out for sketchy stuff you yourself did.

I went through my own posts looking for me calling out those involved in SAR's lynch, and I didn't find squat. Let me know if you do

Unless I goofed, these are in order.
 
So let me ask again, the criticisms you were making about people voting when genny and Moose were top contenders, was that the SAR lynch? I took that you were criticizing those players as throwing shade on them for shady vote practices like last min vote switching for little reason, to which I pointed out what you did. You weren't just criticizing their voting practices as a matter of proper villager conduct, you were saying you could vote them. Saying that you will vote someone and not specifying a reason other than lycanthropy (yes, there are other reasons), prima facie means you think they are a wolf unless otherwise stated, in my book.

My interpretation of all this could be wrong, but the point that you were criticizing certain voting behaviors and then also did the same, stands. It could be a villager mistake.

What is not a villager mistake, is acting like I'm not trying to articulate this clearly or that I'm just shading you without attempting to make a cogent argument.
 
I'm honestly pretty over whatever I've had to say to criticize Mel and BJ. It's more that I was pretty annoyed at some of what it seemed to me they were accusing me of.

If they wolves, they're not likely to quit. If they're village I hope they can see the truth and back off, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm happy to discuss other players.
 
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Night 5
Mmmm, whatcha say,
Mmmm, that you only meant well?
Well, of course you did
Mmmm, whatcha say,
Mmmm, that it's all for the best?
Of course it is


On the sidelines, Kara watched the party continue. She was shocked at how much people had been arguing on the dance floor. And the arguments weren't even that meaningful, either. The dancers mostly squabbled over who should be in the front row and the positioning of the speakers around the dance floor. Kara rolled her eyes, wanting to go home, but she was practically glued to the wall from staying there throughout the party.

A stranger approached Kara a few moments later, offering their arm to enter the dance floor. Kara smiled half-heartedly, taking the stranger's arm to go dance. They walked to the dance floor. Or at least, that's where Kara thought they were going. Before she knew what was happening, the stranger rushed her out the doors and shoved her into a cab. Kara didn't resist the stranger, and even looked relieved before the cab drove off and took her home.

Dead is @Karabiner13 , Wallflower - Glean Seer, who would hear a snippet of a random conversation every night.




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Up To Some Shenanigans

2. @Melchizedek - "The one with the only normal name on the list"
3. @Animal Midwife - AM's wolf meta
4. @Crayola227 - Cray cray
6. @bryndiana.jones - bryndiana in the house
8. @CoffeeQuestionMark - Alcohol?
9. @Lawper - Drunk Lawpy
10. @StayingPositive2017 - Get your Paws off me
11. @allieh8607 - Allie oop
12. @youngkal - youngKal-eidoscope
13. @LadyOtheFarm - the artist formerly known as Princess B.C.
14. @SportPonies - Sporty Spice - Mason+
16. @MixedAnimals77 - Sir Mixalot
18. @Miranda Senft - I find this to be aMOOSEing
22. @tartesos - tarty

Crashed for the Night
17. @capri1722 , The DD - Deathproofer
1. @WildZoo, Copycat Dancer - %Chance Ability Copycat Wolf
5. @SARdoghandler , Bouncer - Day Jailer
21. @genny , Raging Hangover - Delayed Kickback Kill
20. @dolphin106258, Truth or Dare Player - High Risk High Reward Seer
15. @DVMDream , 600mgs of Ibuprofen - Zombie Ability Cancel
19. @Coopah , Bouncer - Night Block
7. @Karabiner13 , Wallflower - Glean Seer


Disco Queens
@PippyPony
@johnnaboo
It is now DAY SIX
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I hadn't even considered the implications like that, Paws.

This is why sometimes it seems like I'm not doing amazing wolf hunting and I'm vague. I'm an ideas person. I can put out my thoughts on players and strategy and hope that others can put it together to good use.
I'd like to see why Paws and BJ are leaning wolf on me now.
I need to iso you, moose, and yk, and decide if I think any of you are wolfy. If I decide i think you are, I will let the thread know
 
Day 1 Lynch Tally
LoTF (1) - SAR
AM (1) - dolphin
Cray (2) - Bryndi, yk
cheezit () -
lawp (1) - coop
coop
() -
karabou (1) - LoTF
allie () -
kal (2) - MOOSE, Paws
Dubz () -
Sporty (1) - DVMD
DVMD
(1) - Sporty
capri (6) - Mel, AM, coffeebean, genny, dubz, lawper
Coffee (3) - allie, Mixy, cray
Tarty () -
SAR (1) - Kara

20/22 votes
Missing: tarty, capri

Day 2 Lynch Tally
Mel (1) - DVMD
craycray (2) - Tarty, MOOSE
SAR (1) - genny
Coop
(1) - AM
Dubz (9) - Dolphin, lawper, Mixy, Mel, coffeebean, LotF, Kara, allieh, bryndi
Moose (3) - SAR, WZ, Coop
Coffeebean () -
YK (1) - Paws
Mixy () -
Paws (1) - YK

19/20 voting
Missing: Cray

Day 3 Lynch Tally
DVMD (1) - allie
Paws (1) - Kara
Moose (5) - Lawper, Mel, SAR, Cray, Coffee?
allie (1) - LoTF
coffee () -
Coop (1) - AM
SAR (5) - genny, MOOSE, Mixy, dolphin, bryndy
Mel () -
genny (4) - Coop, Paws, tarty, Sporty
tarty (1) - YK

19/20 voting
Missing: DVMD

Day 4 Lynch Tally
Coop (1) - AM
genny (6) - coffee, mixy, skimble/dvmd, LoTF, tarty, yk
Paws (1) - Kara
Tarty (1) - bryndi
Moose (1) - cray
Yk (4) - coop, allie, MOOSE, genny
Coffee (4) - dolphin, mel, lawpy, Paws
bryndi (1) - Sporty

19/19 voting

Day 5 Lynch Tally
Coop (4)
- Lawper, AM, Paws, Coffee?
Mel (3) - Mixalot, Sporty, Cray
Cray (1) - MOOSE
Tarty (3) - yk, kara, Bryndi
Coffee? (3) - Mel, allie, tarty

14/16 voting
Missing: Coop, LOTF
 
Oh and FYI moose I'm not sure if you were trying to prevent a kill by vanillaized me but a wolf with this much sketch wouldn't be doing the killing. If they're not alone that is. If not, all you did was stop a potential block of another night kill.

Sorry, did what I thought was necessary.

What do people think about moose vanilla-zing coop? I know we weren't sure about coop, but we did know she was a blocker...
I understand that, I'm just saying that if she had any protective powers or any special ability, she can't use them.

Then moose goes on to say how she doesn't even think coop is a wolf (see bold below)
So I've kinda been half-assing this game. This is the first game where I haven't done a spreadsheet so bear with (Some people are grouped where they are based on feels).

Leaning village group
AM - seems villagery but does seem a bit quiet this game. She has been tunneling Coop which is like her so I'm leaning village on her.

Kara - I agree with most of her analyses and her play seems like she's village. She's not as "in the game" as when she's wolfing.

Coffee? - idk how Mel has her confirmed chaos, but if she's not chaos, then I think she's village. I feel the info she shared wasn't necessarily crucial but it lined up with my power at least (and seemingly a few others' powers).

Mixy - based on PMs and the mason clear, I would say village however I do agree with Mel that it is highly possible that she can be a convert.

Coop - idk, I don't believe coop is a wolf because of how much she put herself in the spotlight the past few days with the genny stuff. I'm just going based off of feels here though.


Unsure Group
Mel - so, I really like Mel's above analysis as I can agree with most of it (I'm not a convert btw) but I've been getting sketch feels from him for most of the game soooo, I'm still unsure.

Paws - she seems village but I've never played a game where she was a wolf and I'm wary of her.

Bryndi - she's engaging conversation and I like it but I don't necessarily like her voting pattern or strategy (voting late in the game).

Allie - I can never get a good read on allie and I haven't seen a lot of her tbh

LOTF - I can't really follow her logic in games so I'm always wary/paranoid of her

Sporty - Sporty is being awfully quiet which was exactly how she cruised under the radar and ended up winning the bake game. I know she was village and was rezzed but we're not 100% sure if she came back village.

Lawpy - I don't even know what's going on with you. I know you've been ill but you're leaning more wolfy for me.

Wolf Group
Cray - she's been posting mostly fluff and hasn't really contributed much to the actual game versus theory from mafia as a whole.

YK - she's been sketch this whole freaking game and I really dislike her voting patterns and timing!

Tarty - lot of fluff posts, acting like he's a noob, others saying he's a veteran, overall, I'm confused and he's gotta go soon.

For now, I'm gonna

Lynch Cray

However, I would be willing to switch to tarty or YK as well. Sorry AM, I'm not really seeing Coop. I get the lynch would probably give us some info but she's currently vanillized for the cycle including into the night.
Then votes for cray and stays there all night, even while fighting with tart and Mel.


CHECK YO VOTES for reasons

DAY 5 Official ~ End of the Night It's Goin Down ~ Lynch Tally

Coop (4) - Lawper, AM, Paws, Coffeebean
Mel (3) - Mixalot, Sporty, Cray
Cray (1) - MOOSE
Tarty (3) - yk, kara, Bryndi
Coffee? (3) - Mel, allie, tarty

14/16 voting
Tarty, you're in the lead

~the bigger they are the harder they fall~

Lynch closed

~you better move, you better dance~
She could have easily swayed it to tarty (who she also has on her wolf list) but instead sits on cray alone.

Lynch moose
Unless someone can explain to me why she isn't wolfy. I really think this is a wolf sitting on an easy non lunch to avoid voting for any of the winners. She must have felt pretty damn comfortable that a villager was going to go down without her help...
 
Also where is everyone? I know it's a work day and all but geez.
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Day 6 Super unofficial "we found love in a hopeless place" tally

Mel (3) - mixy, cray, lawper
Tarty () -
Cray (2) - Mel, AM
Moose (1) - Paws

6/14 voting

Lynch close in 10 hrs
 
Meh. I'm gonna stick with my
lynch Mel
Pretty sure I've heard him lynch villagers in the past on the policy of them being unhelpful at best and a wolf at worst, and that's precisely where he's at.

I don't feel super well today so I'm probably going to be sparser than usual.
 
Day 6 Super unofficial "we found love in a hopeless place" tally

Mel (4) - mixy, cray, lawper, sporty
Tarty () -
Cray (2) - Mel, AM
Moose (1) - Paws

7/14 voting

Lynch close in 10 hrs
 
Meh. I'm gonna stick with my
lynch Mel
Pretty sure I've heard him lynch villagers in the past on the policy of them being unhelpful at best and a wolf at worst, and that's precisely where he's at.

I don't feel super well today so I'm probably going to be sparser than usual.
Where do you think you'd vote next?
 
This was from BJ to Mel.





This is where my eyebrow was raised, because you are accusing Mel of not being consistent if I read right, and in this above quote to whom I don't know now that I am typing this post, you are calling someone out for voting without feels or evidence, and in the other quote above, you're criticizing Tarty's haph hazard voting. To which I say:



about the SAR vote switch you did.

My point was that you where shading people for what you see as crappy voting after you switched votes with < 15 min to close, without saying why at the time (IIRC) or really explaining later until i asked (IIRC).

I'm trying to point out that by your own words your behavior was sketchy. Then your response:



Which I didn't really find that satisfying, but that's OK. Not everyone is satisfied when I give my reasons.





Here I'm just saying that if we are going to examine some players for last min vote switching and little reasoning, we should probably examine them all.

Possibly in your comments about people's votes and genny and moose, I got mixed up if you were trying to shade people for the SAR lynch or not specifically. But you ARE shading people for certain voting behaviors. See above.



Maybe I'm mixed up that the people you were criticizing their votes, didn't have much to do with the SAR lynch. I can't ****ing recall. The point of my whole exercise here is that you are calling out people for things you yourself did.

That's not a sure fire sign of lycanthropy, that's not my point. I feel like you're acting like nothing about what you did was shady, and you're calling people out for sketchy stuff you yourself did.



Unless I goofed, these are in order.

Cray, I have specifically called out tart and mel for their votes. I have gone into depth about this now, multiple times, but I will do a quick summary. Tart is sketching me out because he is riding the bandwagons, claiming lynch votes are jokes, and trying to shade players who had some pretty solid village cred (Dolphin). I asked Mel who he would be voting for if not Coop, and he decided to troll me instead, but then later gave a list of those he thought was wolfy. If you look at the end of day tallies, he may have been on genny and coop for a time, but he later switches to someone else, and provides reasoning. Aside from my vote for SAR, is there anything else sketching you out about me? Because I only have the reason I do for voting SAR, and I have already acknowledged multiple times that I know it looks bad, but that's the reason I have. People break ties to save those they are village all the time, idk why this time it's bothering you so much.

So let me ask again, the criticisms you were making about people voting when genny and Moose were top contenders, was that the SAR lynch? I took that you were criticizing those players as throwing shade on them for shady vote practices like last min vote switching for little reason, to which I pointed out what you did. You weren't just criticizing their voting practices as a matter of proper villager conduct, you were saying you could vote them. Saying that you will vote someone and not specifying a reason other than lycanthropy (yes, there are other reasons), prima facie means you think they are a wolf unless otherwise stated, in my book.

My interpretation of all this could be wrong, but the point that you were criticizing certain voting behaviors and then also did the same, stands. It could be a villager mistake.

What is not a villager mistake, is acting like I'm not trying to articulate this clearly or that I'm just shading you without attempting to make a cogent argument.
I have had problems with Tart's voting for days, so if there was someone I was getting after on that day it was him. I know that I called him out on it after lynch close on the SAR lynch day, and voted for him the next day. I have not, however, thrown shade for last minute switches. This is the last time I will say this, I have only gone after tart and mel in terms of how they have been voting, and what I mean by that is they did not give any reasons, or their reasons (tart) were "oh everyone is voting genny now? okay let's do it". I am not going to keep repeating myself on this. If you don't like how I changed my vote for SAR last minute then fine, but try and see if there is something else that's bothering you about me, because I'm not beating this dead horse anymore.
 
What do people think about moose vanilla-zing coop? I know we weren't sure about coop, but we did know she was a blocker...


Then moose goes on to say how she doesn't even think coop is a wolf (see bold below)

Then votes for cray and stays there all night, even while fighting with tart and Mel.



She could have easily swayed it to tarty (who she also has on her wolf list) but instead sits on cray alone.

Lynch moose
Unless someone can explain to me why she isn't wolfy. I really think this is a wolf sitting on an easy non lunch to avoid voting for any of the winners. She must have felt pretty damn comfortable that a villager was going to go down without her help...
Coop was the village's top lynch choice for next time so I did what I thought was best for the village. If coop had turned out to be a wolf there may have been a secret PR we didn't know about and I thought it was best. I didn't agree that coop was a wolf but I felt that enough people who were in my village pile did think she was a wolf.
I think Cray is a wolf so I voted there!
I agree with coffee? that people weren't going to move on from coop until she was lynched. I disagree with that, hence why I didn't vote for coop. I don't know about tarty and while I do have him on my wolf list, I feel stronger about Cray.
 
Coop was the village's top lynch choice for next time so I did what I thought was best for the village. If coop had turned out to be a wolf there may have been a secret PR we didn't know about and I thought it was best. I didn't agree that coop was a wolf but I felt that enough people who were in my village pile did think she was a wolf.
I think Cray is a wolf so I voted there!
I agree with coffee? that people weren't going to move on from coop until she was lynched. I disagree with that, hence why I didn't vote for coop. I don't know about tarty and while I do have him on my wolf list, I feel stronger about Cray.
What?
 
Coop was the village's top lynch choice for next time so I did what I thought was best for the village. If coop had turned out to be a wolf there may have been a secret PR we didn't know about and I thought it was best. I didn't agree that coop was a wolf but I felt that enough people who were in my village pile did think she was a wolf.
I think Cray is a wolf so I voted there!
I agree with coffee? that people weren't going to move on from coop until she was lynched. I disagree with that, hence why I didn't vote for coop. I don't know about tarty and while I do have him on my wolf list, I feel stronger about Cray.
So how about you place a vote instead of waiting until the end of the day?
 
I disagree with people not moving on until lynch hence why I didn't vote for coop. But I don't hold it against coffee for her voting for coop because certain people (*cough* AM *cough*) weren't going to move on and actually contribute to the game until coop was lynched.
 
Also, if cray flips village, Mel will be next on my list because, now that I think about it, he might have been a good choice for a convert.
How many originals do you think we started with? So far we've only caught one wolf so you are definitely hunting converts a little early perhaps...
 
Day 1 Lynch Tally
LoTF (1) - SAR
AM (1) - dolphin
Cray (2) - Bryndi, yk
cheezit () -
lawp (1) - coop
coop
() -
karabou (1) - LoTF
allie () -
kal (2) - MOOSE, Paws
Dubz () -
Sporty (1) - DVMD
DVMD
(1) - Sporty
capri (6) - Mel, AM, coffeebean, genny, dubz, lawper
Coffee (3) - allie, Mixy, cray
Tarty () -
SAR (1) - Kara

20/22 votes
Missing: tarty, capri

Day 2 Lynch Tally
Mel (1) - DVMD
craycray (2) - Tarty, MOOSE
SAR (1) - genny
Coop
(1) - AM
Dubz (9) - Dolphin, lawper, Mixy, Mel, coffeebean, LotF, Kara, allieh, bryndi
Moose (3) - SAR, WZ, Coop
Coffeebean () -
YK (1) - Paws
Mixy () -
Paws (1) - YK

19/20 voting
Missing: Cray

Day 3 Lynch Tally
DVMD (1) - allie
Paws (1) - Kara
Moose (5) - Lawper, Mel, SAR, Cray, Coffee?
allie (1) - LoTF
coffee () -
Coop (1) - AM
SAR (5) - genny, MOOSE, Mixy, dolphin, bryndy
Mel () -
genny (4) - Coop, Paws, tarty, Sporty
tarty (1) - YK

19/20 voting
Missing: DVMD

Day 4 Lynch Tally
Coop (1) - AM
genny (6) - coffee, mixy, skimble/dvmd, LoTF, tarty, yk
Paws (1) - Kara
Tarty (1) - bryndi
Moose (1) - cray
Yk (4) - coop, allie, MOOSE, genny
Coffee (4) - dolphin, mel, lawpy, Paws
bryndi (1) - Sporty

19/19 voting

Day 5 Lynch Tally
Coop (4)
- Lawper, AM, Paws, Coffee?
Mel (3) - Mixalot, Sporty, Cray
Cray (1) - MOOSE
Tarty (3) - yk, kara, Bryndi
Coffee? (3) - Mel, allie, tarty

14/16 voting
Missing: Coop, LOTF


Funny that AM has only voted for coop and has been more quiet than usual... only like 10 questions instead of 100 by now...
I would jump on your wagon so fast( take this any way you want to).
 
How many originals do you think we started with? So far we've only caught one wolf so you are definitely hunting converts a little early perhaps...
I'm merely saying it in reference to Mel's read list where he lists his top 3 convert choices. That makes me think he could POTENTIALLY be one.
Since we started out with 22 players, I think we had maybe 4 originals because 5 seems like too many but there is a possibility there were 3 originals.
 
@tartesos I don't see where you answered this. Are you still feeling coffee or sporty?

What are your thoughts on moose?

Sporty resurrected and that in my short experience is never village. Coffee has this chaos label and mel assures he knows because of something she told him,( not up to date if anything else has come up since then) and she had that ability that everyone says can only be chaos( could also be a wolf, why not?). She chose to lynch coop instead of me( even though I was easier) because she knew coop was the bouncer and more important for the village and claimed she wanted AM to move on.... wolf or chaos sounds pretty anti village to me and she must go next.
 
@tartesos I don't see where you answered this. Are you still feeling coffee or sporty?

What are your thoughts on moose?

Moose has gone wolf and village in my book back and forth so much I don`t know where to put her... but I dont see a vanillzing wolf being usefull if that`s her ability at all( can anyone confirm?).
 
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