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Night 8

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Tonight, those remaining in the family were jealous. It seemed there was one among them favored by @WildZoo. And why should she not be favored? She was, after all, Dubz's one and only wolfatee (and only remaining manatee if you don't count pups). Karabou had the uncanny ability to do exactly what Dubz would do as well as finish her thoughts (sometimes before Dubz had even posted them). With a keen eye for analysis and the ability to village through a wolf lens, the remaining village decided Karabou needed to go.

Dead is @capri1722, who was Karabou, a wolf who could determine the affiliation of one person each lynch

Everyone's eyes were drawn to the body of MJ. They weren't sure why they were drawn to his body, there just seemed something they couldn't quite place, something they had missed. Then with a collective gasp they realized he had been Snowy, a vanilla wolf. They all scratched their heads in confusion, was this real or was there something more going on here?

It is now Day 8. Deadline is 9am EST. Get your actions in!

Family Members:
5. @ziggyandjazzy (formerly sar)
9. @johnnaboo
13. @PippyPony
14. @genny
16. @Stagg737
18. @Crayola227

Dead:
Skiski - Kaydubs, vanilla wolf
Weim - STL, ninja
Shelter - Sporty, designated survivors
Sporty - Trilt, illusion remover
Glamm - Jboo, 1x night kill avoidance
Kcough - Bear, lynch write-up additions
Allie - MJ, bomb
Finn - Sandy/Elkhart, jailer
MJ - Snowy, vanilla wolf
AM - Zen/Glam, vanilla wolf
Skilary - Kcough, retroactive tracker
Snowy - Finn, pm silencer
Dolphin - Pippy, night PMer
Capri - Karabou, affiliation seer
 
Karabiner13 said:
Then with a collective gasp they realized he had been Snowy, a vanilla wolf. They all scratched their heads in confusion, was this real or was there something more going on here?

Dead:
Skiski - Kaydubs, vanilla wolf
Weim - STL, ninja
Shelter - Sporty, designated survivors
Sporty - Trilt, illusion remover
Glamm - Jboo, 1x night kill avoidance
Kcough - Bear, lynch write-up additions
Allie - MJ, bomb
Finn - Sandy/Elkhart, jailer
MJ - Snowy, vanilla wolf
AM - Zen/Glam, vanilla wolf
Skilary - Kcough, retroactive tracker
Snowy - Finn, pm silencer
Dolphin - Pippy, night PMer
Capri - Karabou, affiliation seer
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:lame:
 
It wasn't lylo, it means we either have wolf + chaos, or just a wolf.

I can buy that Pip isn't the wolf, but she could be chaos.

This is all that I have figured out.
 
If my numbers are right. We're down to 6, right? and soon to be 5 assuming the village lynch goes through?

wait, at that point there could be 2 wolves?

I hate mechanics.
 
Karabiner13 said:
Everyone's eyes were drawn to the body of MJ. They weren't sure why they were drawn to his body, there just seemed something they couldn't quite place, something they had missed. Then with a collective gasp they realized he had been Snowy, a vanilla wolf. They all scratched their heads in confusion, was this real or was there something more going on here?
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Someone wanna explain this to me? Are there 2 non wolves?
 
this also means based on Skim's numbers from a damn tin foil hat, that there could be 2 villagers left, which makes tomorrow lylo

of course, the tin foil hat told me that there were no more conversions when I asked
 
so the question is, who was the illusion giver?

my thought is that there was a villager with the ability to cover up a kill

so it raises the question about Stagg and who else might have such an ability

the only people I am aware of who have not claimed an ability is Pip and SAR/ziggy
 
Unofficial N1 Mayor Tally
MJ (3) - Sporty, MJ, SAR
Ski (1) - finn
Pippy (2) - Pippy, kc
jboo (1) - jboo
AM (6) - AM, shelter, Skim, dolphin, Weim, Glam
Sporty () -
finn (3) - Snowy, Cait, Ski
Stagg (2) - Cray, Stagg
Snowy (1) - genny
Cray (1) - allie
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Night 2 It's the Family Business Kill Vote Tally

MJ () -
SAR (2) - snowy, jboo
Weim (7) - genny, sar, caiter, sporty, mj, pippy, cray
Cray (1) - shelter
Sporty (5) - Skim, finn, kcough, allie, weim
Glam () -
Caiter (2) - dolphin, glam
am () -
kaydubz (1) - stagg
jboo (1) - am

19/19 votes

N3 I Can't Hear You Kill Tally

allie () -
shelter (7) - sporty, jboo, cray, skim, sar, glam, kcough
snowy (1) - am
glam (1) - pippy
dolphin (1) - allieh
am (3) - finn, stagg, mj
stagg (3) - dolphin, snowy, genny
jboo (1) - shelter

shelter is in the lead!

Missing: caiter

17/18

Night 4 Kill Tally

glam (4) - dolphin, jboo, pippy, genny
snowy (2) - am, stagg
dolphin (2) - cray, allieh
am (2) - finn, mj
skim (1) - snowy
mj (1) - kcough
jboo (1) - glam
kc (2) - sar, skim
cray (1) - sporty

Missing: caiter

16/17

N5 AM Is Our Queen Night Kill Tally

kc (7) - SAR, jboo, skimble, dolphin, snowy, am, genny
snowy (5) - cray, allie, stagg, kc, capri
MJ () -
dolphin (3) - Pip, finn, mj

15/15 votes

N6 Kill Tally

am (7) - jboo, pip, zigzag, skim, capri, stagg, cray
capri (1) - genny
snowy (2) - dolphin, am
skim (1) - snowy
jboo () -
pippy () -

11/11

N7 Killing Me Softly Kill Tally

pip () -
jboo () -
capri (3) - Snowy, Dolph, zigzag
genny (1) - pippy
zigzag (1) - jboo
Dolph () -
Cray () -
Snowy (4) - Cray, Stagg, genny, capri

9/9


N8 Kill Tally

cray (1) - genny
capri (3) - jboo, stagg, cray
genny (1) - capri
jboo (1) - zigzag
stagg (1) - pip

7/7

Wow that took forever sorry if there are errors I have commenced the sake. Also idk wtf MJ is so I put him in purple
 
without getting all tinfoil hat-y, at face value it would seem:
my ability is uncontested
no one has counterclaimed jboo's
genny's
Stagg's

Granted, it's possible that any of the people so far (except me of course, but for the sake of argument) could be aligned village, so I'm not saying the abilities mean those people are clear

I am saying, that it could be possible there is an illusion ability, and it's most likely a village one based on what it seems to have accomplished

and there's only two people who don't have a claimed ability

also, I find it highly unlikely that anyone has an ability AND the illusion ability, if it is indeed an ability and not an item affect or some such

also, I wonder if the death of the affiliation seer is why the illusion was lifted despite no illusion lifter ability person alive

this also makes me wonder about anyone keen to get rid of the affiliation seer (never mind that I was OK with the capri lynch)
 
also I did not catch the MJ thing, but ziggy mentioned it

that could be WIFOM because maybe for many of you she was stating the obvious

between ziggy and Pip, who seems like they have actually been villager hunting??
 
Crayola227 said:
Sounds like there might have been an illusion.

So, is Stagg really a wolf?

Or was this part of the mindfrak?
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I agree on some sort of illusion. But I have no idea what. Was MJ a wolf or villager? I still dunno.
Crayola227 said:
this also means based on Skim's numbers from a damn tin foil hat, that there could be 2 villagers left, which makes tomorrow lylo

of course, the tin foil hat told me that there were no more conversions when I asked
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Not necessarily, there could be one villager and one person who isn't a villager or wolf, right? Will they tell us if it is Lylo? that may help us figure it out...

When did you ask if they had more conversions again? I remember you saying that but I don't remember when.

Crayola227 said:
so the question is, who was the illusion giver?

my thought is that there was a villager with the ability to cover up a kill

so it raises the question about Stagg and who else might have such an ability

the only people I am aware of who have not claimed an ability is Pip and SAR/ziggy
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I'm not illusion giver. Idk who is or how it is working but it is messing with me. I'm wondering if MJ was villager and somehow they could change it to wolf to **** with us, idk. Or are we pretty sure he was a wolf?
 
Tinfoil but maybe pip could be illusion maker which could be a chaos kinda thing. Could explain why a kill went through when she was jailed. Could also explain having 2 non villagers maybe.


Oh oh oh!! And kcoughli could add things to the write-up, and today, there was a change. Idk if that is related at all but???
 
I guess the illusion "giver" could have made MJ look like a wolf not a villager to frak with us, but I think with the seer dead it makes sense that now would be the time for an illusion to lift without our illusion lifter person

it makes more sense on the balance of everything imho

I wanna say that this time it really is MJ as a goodie

which really makes Stagg look very very bad

I'm thinking our baddie(s) are Stagg and/or Pip

if we have two baddies Pip being jailed means nada

frak, I need to go see what the seer results were to remember if we can trust genny

I hope to Jesus the hat was correct no more conversions

I'll look to see when that was
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Tinfoil but maybe pip could be illusion maker which could be a chaos kinda thing. Could explain why a kill went through when she was jailed. Could also explain having 2 non villagers maybe.


Oh oh oh!! And kcoughli could add things to the write-up, and today, there was a change. Idk if that is related at all but???
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she's long dead and I doubt had anything to do with the write up, but if she did I'm guessing that was a wolf move so I would expect any such thing to be truthful if not accurate if that makes sense

I like the rest of your thoughts here
 
also wtf has been going on with the hats

I haven't heard more about them and I feel like I would feel better if we could account for all of their activities
 
so much hate to myself that I don't do a better event tracker... as much as I hate mechanics and abilities, that is probably the only way that it would ever have use to me

then again as I said, post and vote analysis might be better

I wish my VCA skills were better

clearly Caiter's lack of voting two days was related to the poor bunny, I hope bun bun is doing better
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Tinfoil but maybe pip could be illusion maker which could be a chaos kinda thing. Could explain why a kill went through when she was jailed. Could also explain having 2 non villagers maybe.


Oh oh oh!! And kcoughli could add things to the write-up, and today, there was a change. Idk if that is related at all but???
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Are you the redirector or is pip?
 
Crayola227 said:
I guess the illusion "giver" could have made MJ look like a wolf not a villager to frak with us, but I think with the seer dead it makes sense that now would be the time for an illusion to lift without our illusion lifter person

it makes more sense on the balance of everything imho

I wanna say that this time it really is MJ as a goodie

which really makes Stagg look very very bad

I'm thinking our baddie(s) are Stagg and/or Pip

if we have two baddies Pip being jailed means nada

frak, I need to go see what the seer results were to remember if we can trust genny

I hope to Jesus the hat was correct no more conversions

I'll look to see when that was
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It does make him look very bad. But maybe that is the point of it? To get us confused about him. Because he did tell us he didn't have a huge justification for shooting MJ besides that he had to use the second one shortly after the first.

Crayola227 said:
also wtf has been going on with the hats

I haven't heard more about them and I feel like I would feel better if we could account for all of their activities
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I got the tinfoil hat d3 and d4. d3 was cancelled and didn't work. d4 is when the AM question was asked.

genny said:
Are you the redirector or is pip?
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Have you used your ability tonight? I don't think it would make sense to choose me to be one of the 3, just saying.
 
I believe MJ knew about Sporty's ability. Sporty was jailed n2. N3 was cancelled. Sporty died n4. I find this... interesting.
 
so who was jailer? I thought it was genny

instead genny is ability absorber lady?

I'm used up and ability-less, jboo had night cancel, Stagg had some sort of murder ability

so that leaves Pip and Ziggy, and neither is claiming, and genny says there is a redirector... genny, did you use a redirecting ability so that is how you know one exists?

I'm not trying to fish, and I don't know that now is the time, and it's possible that there is no "illusion giver ability" and that knowing what the final 2 abilities are will not lead us to a baddie, but we might consider (not tonight before the baddies make their kill) but in the am, IF it's lylo, ability and role claiming

I can't believe I'm saying that

maybe I'm too hung up on the idea of an illusion giver

I mean, could MJ have truly been a villager, and this is now the illusion being applied? that might make more sense, because otherwise how would the illusion remover know to use their ability? if I had the ability I would use it right freaking now, so maybe that's our answer
 
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the bigger the question mark on all of this, the more I'm looking at Pip

if we think we have 2 non-wolves left, the kill the night Pip was jailed means nada
 
as long as the seer was alive the illusion lived, and maybe that's why the villagers left her for so long

who was the person who said "I think I know why she's still alive" - was that Ziggy?
 
why does jboo seem to be one of the first votes on any player that dies?

when I am a villager, I will often vote very early in the day, for whatever reason it makes people think you're more "innocent"

I will spare you the psych treatise on why that is. Yes, wolves will hold votes to try to pull BS close to deadline - but as jboo has said multiple times, she doesn't have any armour. She can't afford any funny business with her votes. If I were her and I was a baddie, I would vote early. It's a great way to get people off your back, you're not really taking a stand on people, actually, because early in the day a single vote is hardly a vote to seal someone's fate as it is closer to deadline. People tend to forget about your vote. They forget about your reasons. And by not being around or changing your vote later, you can basically absolve yourself of someone's death "I was frozen," "I didn't know what to do," "I didn't want to move and make a tie."

Now, you might say how would she know to be first on someone and then they die? I mean, that's luck. Except that if you're clever as a baddie picking your early fake vote of the day, you just vote for whoever you think is most likely to die the next day. Sometimes you get really lucky that way if you're good at reading the mob.

Sorry, I'm trying to do VCA. It's hard because there are so few red votes to look at.
 
Day 8

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No one is sure what exactly happened yesterday. Finger pointing and blame shifting occurred. But come sunset, everyone was still around. Maybe they just felt @WildZoo's deep grief at the death of her favorite wolfatee and felt a period of mourning without violence was the right thing to do. Questions swirled as the remaining family members got ready for what could be one last night kill. Was someone protected? Maybe they were blocked? Are kills not effective on someone? It seems they would never no what happened but they were all thankful to be alive.

No one has died

It is now Night 9. Deadline is 10pm EST. Choose your victim wisely!

Family Members:
5. @ziggyandjazzy (formerly sar)
9. @johnnaboo
13. @PippyPony
14. @genny
16. @Stagg737
18. @Crayola227

Dead:
Skiski - Kaydubs, vanilla wolf
Weim - STL, ninja
Shelter - Sporty, designated survivors
Sporty - Trilt, illusion remover
Glamm - Jboo, 1x night kill avoidance
Kcough - Bear, lynch write-up additions
Allie - MJ, bomb
Finn - Sandy/Elkhart, jailer
MJ - Snowy, vanilla wolf
AM - Zen/Glam, vanilla wolf
Skilary - Kcough, retroactive tracker
Snowy - Finn, pm silencer
Dolphin - Pippy, night PMer
Capri - Karabou, affiliation seer
 
so it sounds like lylo, so to me that sounds like there are indeed two bad guys, possibly one is chaos and one is a baddie that didn't submit a kill? or there was a redirection that negated a kill?

Pip/Stagg
Pip/Genny
Pip/Jboo
Pip/Ziggy
Stagg/Genny
Stagg/Jboo
Stagg/Ziggy
Genny/Jboo
Genny/Ziggy
Ziggy/Jboo

would be the relevant pairs, obviously if you are reading this you can eliminate 4 of pairings above.

If I were better at keeping track of things and mechanics, I would know which of those pairings make sense and which don't.

I'm going to go to sleep. I hope not to wake up in the lead, because that would mean that we are going to lose the game because of the 3 of you being manipulated by 2 of you, enough of you are falling for it.

Stagg - not sure what he claimed about his ability makes sense in light of what happened with MJ. Great way for a baddie to get cred, kill 2 goodies and one appears falsely to be a baddie, and you're bullet proof until the illusion is removed.
SAR/Ziggy - still no idea what her ability is, the only thing I know is that she got mad cred for her WM vote, and this made her a prime conversion target.
genny - also a great vote on WM, prime conversion target. Has absorption ability and is being believed about a lot of things.
Pippy - seriously, why are you even alive? I have no idea what your ability is, what you've tried to achieve this game, or why you have done anything you've done. Your voting has been sketch af.
Jboo - had cred for lynch cancel. I mean, really? Weren't you seered by capri, though? Prime conversion target.
 
Cray, where has my voting been "sketch af"

Last night, when I didn't vote until late and therefore did the same thing you have done at least 3 times in this game,?
 
Crayola227 said:
the bigger the question mark on all of this, the more I'm looking at Pip

if we think we have 2 non-wolves left, the kill the night Pip was jailed means nada
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If you believe the tin foil hat, we do not have two left. Of anything that is non-wolf.

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that maybe the change was to make MJ look like a wolf? Get both me and Stagg killed, they win, it's a great move
 
PippyPony said:
Cray, where has my voting been "sketch af"

Last night, when I didn't vote until late and therefore did the same thing you have done at least 3 times in this game,?
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I always do that, it's NAI.

What was sketch was the sheer out of nowhere-ness that it had. I don't feel like anything I've done came out of left field. At every step I have said exactly how I feel about people and why. At no point am I like "let me see how this vote feels" "let me see how this will mind frak people" "let me do a reaction test" "let's have a gambit with 3 min to spare."

Pip, you were also in that sweet spot for bussers on the end of the WM vote, then you have those single throwaway votes, and WTF that was with Stagg last night.
 
PippyPony said:
If you believe the tin foil hat, we do not have two left. Of anything that is non-wolf.

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that maybe the change was to make MJ look like a wolf? Get both me and Stagg killed, they win, it's a great move
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So Skim said there were 3 non-wolves left when we thought MJ was a baddie, and we thought we were hunting the final baddie all this time. If we realize that MJ didn't count, then doesn't that put us back to having 2 left in that count?

Also, I considered this is a trick. But, assuming there's less baddies not more, I'm not sure how that helps us. Plus I feel the write up suggests this might be lylo. Wouldn't that make more sense with 2 non-wolves left? Plus I think my theory that with the death of capri the illusion is removed, makes more sense from a game balance perspective.
 
Crayola227 said:
I always do that, it's NAI.

What was sketch was the sheer out of nowhere-ness that it had. I don't feel like anything I've done came out of left field. At every step I have said exactly how I feel about people and why. At no point am I like "let me see how this vote feels" "let me see how this will mind frak people" "let me do a reaction test" "let's have a gambit with 3 min to spare."

Pip, you were also in that sweet spot for bussers on the end of the WM vote, then you have those single throwaway votes, and WTF that was with Stagg last night.
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I'm sorry, but if you think I would have bussed an untrackable villager, you have lost your marbles.

Yesterday I had an absolute **** day, got on late, and didn't know where to vote. Kill me for that if you want, idc anymore and I'm just being kept around for people to mess with me again and it blows.
 
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