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Okay so what would you tell me 3.6 and a 36 S.
Granted I've taken the MCAT three times but the OU website says they look at the last score.
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Okay so what would you tell me 3.6 and a 36 S.
Granted I've taken the MCAT three times but the OU website says they look at the last score.
If you got a 36 on the MCAT, you're more competitive than OU. I have no idea why they wouldn't give you an early interview slot and an auto-accept.
That said, they weigh GPA equally and to them a 3.60 is below their average.
It's so embarrassing that our state has an extreme shortage of doctors and it's actually rejecting overqualified applicants.
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I didn't apply early. I applied late september. So you have to turn it in early to get an early slot. But I didn't have my MCAT Scores until Early September.
So that's the reason I didn't get an early slot. However i don't even know why I wasn't waitlisted?
Is it just me or do things seem awful suspicious?
I have not heard of a single actual accept. I'm starting to wonder if they filled their entire class beforehand.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but has anyone received an accept thats posted onto this website?
It's completely absurd to completely reject someone with a 36 on the MCAT. That's high enough to get into Ivy League quality institutions. In my past three applications I got the feeling that OU is very dishonest about how it actually selects students. I understand OU is a very "who you know" school but, honestly, to reject a previously-waitlisted applicant with a completely improved application (and followed everything from the workshop) is a clear sign of how they do their business.
Something just clicked in my head. Last year OU asked the Oklahoma Board of Education to increase the limit on out of state applicants from 15% to 25% of the total class.
How much you want to bet the post-December interview accepts went entirely to OoS applicants?
OU gets more money from OoS applicants. Nearly twice as much.
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I don't know but I've RSVPed very kindly (serious) to the email address provided. And I'll be interested to hear the criticism.
It could be possible that they found better out of state candidates.
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However the state realizes that they want doctors who stay in state. If you get out of state people they'll take the education elsewhere which harms the state.
I heard that as well...
I was surprised during my early January interview, I was a clear minority as an in state OU undergrad applicant...many of the people I met were from out of state so I would not be surprised if OU decided to take more of them initially and put in staters on the waiting list...if you think about it, someone out of state would probably turn to other options besides OU quicker than someone in state if they find themselves on the waiting list...
OU has nothing to lose...offer seats to top out of state applicants, a greater percentage of whom might choose to go elsewhere, but then have a slew of in state students on the waiting list jumping at the bit hoping to make the final roster.
This might bode well for those on the waitlist as it seems like an out of state student that gets accepted would be more likely to turn it down than an in state..maybe my reasoning is incorrect but at least it makes me feel a little better.
I was surprised during my early January interview, I was a clear minority as an in state OU undergrad applicant...many of the people I met were from out of state so I would not be surprised if OU decided to take more of them initially and put in staters on the waiting list...if you think about it, someone out of state would probably turn to other options besides OU quicker than someone in state if they find themselves on the waiting list...
OU has nothing to lose...offer seats to top out of state applicants, a greater percentage of whom might choose to go elsewhere, but then have a slew of in state students on the waiting list jumping at the bit hoping to make the final roster.
This might bode well for those on the waitlist as it seems like an out of state student that gets accepted would be more likely to turn it down than an in state..maybe my reasoning is incorrect but at least it makes me feel a little better.
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I know of someone who was accepted, and she is an Oklahoma resident.
That being said, for those of you who were rejected with far above average scores, do you think that maybe there was something seriously wrong in your interview? I know we all want to blame the system and anyone but ourselves, but sometimes you can blame no one but yourself for not being accepted (myself included - I haven't received my letter yet but I know if I didn't get in it will be because I was not the best applicant I could be and no other reason.)
That being said, for those of you who were rejected with far above average scores, do you think that maybe there was something seriously wrong in your interview? I know we all want to blame the system and anyone but ourselves, but sometimes you can blame no one but yourself for not being accepted (myself included - I haven't received my letter yet but I know if I didn't get in it will be because I was not the best applicant I could be and no other reason.)
My interview went fine, except one of the interviewers clearly didn't agree with the ideals behind the School of Community Medicine and was very vocal (and strangely hostile) about it.
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Sure, that's legitimate. I was using myself as a case to Phange who was pointing out that we're just a number. I don't blame the system. Especially because I don't know what the system is.
I don't think there was anything wrong with the interview however it could be possible that they didn't like something they heard. I'll definitely attend the workshop.
By the way, Futuredrme, I know you have a rosy believe that OU only chooses steadfast, hard-working applicants who give it their all.
Let me paint this picture for you:
Two years ago at my rejection workshop, the man told me that if I earned an MPH with a high GPA and improved my MCAT, I'd be a shoo-in.
Two years later. Almost a 4.0 in my MPH. MCAT hit 30. I even volunteered months of my time at a local hospital. I did literally every single thing they told me to do. Even my interview went fine.
And this time I wasn't even waitlisted.
This isn't some kind of fairy tale, it's reality. They. Don't. Care. I'm not a poor guy who applied four times and actually got a Master's Degree taking some College of Medicine elective classes in the process (and getting better grades than the medical students), I'm just a guy who applied with X GPA and X MCAT.
Let me paint this picture for you:
Two years ago at my rejection workshop, the man told me that if I earned an MPH with a high GPA and improved my MCAT, I'd be a shoo-in.
Two years later. Almost a 4.0 in my MPH. MCAT hit 30. I even volunteered months of my time at a local hospital. I did literally every single thing they told me to do. Even my interview went fine.
And this time I wasn't even waitlisted.
This isn't some kind of fairy tale, it's reality. They. Don't. Care. I'm not a poor guy who applied four times and actually got a Master's Degree taking some College of Medicine elective classes in the process (and getting better grades than the medical students), I'm just a guy who applied with X GPA and X MCAT.
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You ought to go to the workshop and ask what's the deal.
Last time, my workshop leader spilled the beans on the whole interview/acceptance process. It's completely mathematical. They assign you points based on your GPA and MCAT. If those points are high enough, you get an early interview. 90% of early interviews get an acceptance. Then, in January-onward, they take your MCAT/GPA and look at the three interviewers' grades (Accept, Defer, Reject) and assign a number to those grades. They then give you a ranking compared to other applicants and send out letters.
The problem is there's absolutely no human element whatsoever. They promise otherwise, but it's not true. The guy flat-out told us to LIE to the interviewers and tell them we were basically Mother Theresa in our private lives so we'd get straight-accepts from the interviewers. It was so completely absurd and sickening that I didn't believe him.
I do now.
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I'll just reapply try and strengthen my application. I'm sorry for you though. It seems like you had the statistics to get in this time. It sounds like you did everything possible especially with the comments. I honestly can't believe that after reapplying and improving you didn't get in. But maybe rejections have to be looked as a blessing in disguise.
that sounds like terrible advice but I'm personally at a loss for words right now for myself and hopefully I'll receive clarity about what I did wrong and could improve for next time around.
That is pretty disheartening to hear. It is pretty sad that the system can let people who do everything right slip through the cracks. Obviously no one is guaranteed anything and everyone who is accepted is going to be qualified, but your case is quite disturbing to say the least.
I'm not mad, honestly. I had realized that OSU was the place I truly wanted to go after I interviewed there. I'm just disappointed with OU. They have consistently been cold and quiet about their methods, and it seems like they have little respect for people who really go to great lengths to improve their application.
For the waitlist, obviously one person comes off the waitlist and receives an acceptance for every one current acceptance that decides not to enroll...
Essentially at this time there is an assumption of full enrollment and no one from the waitlist is in yet...
Does every one of the 165 or so acceptances have the ability still to decline? Or are the 75 waitlisted students vying for those spots of however many people of the 43 accepted today decide not to enroll?
I only ask because I thought if someone was accepted in the first 120 back near the beginning they had to decide much sooner than today if they were going to accept the acceptance. But if that were the case then it seems to me that more than 43 people could have been automatically accepted today...maybe someone could explain this to me a little more clearly, and if you're not really sure what I am asking don't worry about it because I'm not really sure what I'm asking either...
Essentially at this time there is an assumption of full enrollment and no one from the waitlist is in yet...
Does every one of the 165 or so acceptances have the ability still to decline? Or are the 75 waitlisted students vying for those spots of however many people of the 43 accepted today decide not to enroll?
I only ask because I thought if someone was accepted in the first 120 back near the beginning they had to decide much sooner than today if they were going to accept the acceptance. But if that were the case then it seems to me that more than 43 people could have been automatically accepted today...maybe someone could explain this to me a little more clearly, and if you're not really sure what I am asking don't worry about it because I'm not really sure what I'm asking either...
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I don't mean to pry, but if you would be willing to. what were your stats?
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Well I guess they just value the GPA a lot more. And that's probably fair to value hard work over a possible test score.
Thanks for sharing.
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I going to put out some advice to everyone rejected or waitlisted (including myself); stop trying to make sense of this process. There are too many variables, there could be countless reasons. While the results might not be what we liked, it is time to move on and prepare for a different path. Congrats to those accepted.
I would like to ask those accepted that if you do decide to take another offer, please be kind and post on this thread that you have withdrawn.
I would like to ask those accepted that if you do decide to take another offer, please be kind and post on this thread that you have withdrawn.
I couldn't agree with you more, this whole process is crazy and you see people with very low stats that get in no problem and over qualified canidates that get rejected. There is absolutely no way to quantify this whole deal.
Good luck to everyone, regardless of what path you are taking
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Just thought I'd show that there was another accept posted.
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Just to chime in, to all who were not accepted, do keep in mind that the chances of getting a big red envelope today was slim, so don't beat yourself up as to why.
As I posted a while back, even though rolling admissions was full at 120 instead of 140 this year, that still didn't leave many spots as most of the interviewees from the last date in Nov. were deferred. The 90% acceptance rate for Oct/Nov would mean that it was very possible to have rolling admissions met my that day (5 days 30 interviewees = 150 early round students for 120 spots, less the 10 or so that got denied = 20 deferred from early round) so that leaves 25 spots for ALL the Jan/Feb to fight over assuming that most deferred from Nov got in. (6 days 30 interviews = 180 to fight for 25 spots).
Keep your head up, follow your dream and good luck to you guys.
As I posted a while back, even though rolling admissions was full at 120 instead of 140 this year, that still didn't leave many spots as most of the interviewees from the last date in Nov. were deferred. The 90% acceptance rate for Oct/Nov would mean that it was very possible to have rolling admissions met my that day (5 days 30 interviewees = 150 early round students for 120 spots, less the 10 or so that got denied = 20 deferred from early round) so that leaves 25 spots for ALL the Jan/Feb to fight over assuming that most deferred from Nov got in. (6 days 30 interviews = 180 to fight for 25 spots).
Keep your head up, follow your dream and good luck to you guys.
Thats the best thing that has been said in the last 3 pages of the board. Everyone on here has worked hard to get where they are, and it is obvious that they care, you wouldnt be posting on here if you didnt. Everything that can be done, has been done, there is no point in dwelling on what aspect of the system/application needs a second look. If something is meant to be, if you put enough time into it, it will happen.
Two weeks after acceptance.
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I've heard some schools shorten the timeframe as the cycle progresses. Can anyone with an acceptance from today confirm the two weeks
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accepted.. but waiting to hear back from my top school before I make the decision to go or not (please pray that I do .. someone can have my spot as well!). I have another friend who got accepted today and will be going for sure. We both had early jan interviews.
We need to turn in the deposit in the next two weeks to hold a spot. The deposit is non-refundable after the april deadline. I know of someone who got in two days before the white coat ceremony last year because someone dropped last minute. I really hope my friends that are waitlisted find out sooner than that!
We need to turn in the deposit in the next two weeks to hold a spot. The deposit is non-refundable after the april deadline. I know of someone who got in two days before the white coat ceremony last year because someone dropped last minute. I really hope my friends that are waitlisted find out sooner than that!
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Maybe DRML can answer...
Does anyone know how the waitlist process works as people come off? Is it rolling, such as, 1 person turns down their acceptance then 1 person gets pulled right away or do you think they group it every few weeks or by month, such as, 4 people dropped in the last two weeks, so they'll send out 4 more at the end of that period? Just curious if anyone knows
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I'm sure we really missed out on the inside info.
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you guys have seriously undervalued the power of the interview. the evaluation for your interview has 5 parts that are explicitly aimed at your personality and what type of physician you would be. yes - your score matters. yes - it is a large determining factor. but if you blow your interview, (and not in the "i was nervous and flustered" way) but you are arrogant, pompous, lie, make excuses...basically if you give them a reason that shows you would be a poor physician they will reject you regardless of your ivy league scores.
so here is the deal: stop with the negativity. quit doggin the system, you need to learn to play the game. it's the way life goes. yeah, it's probably a little skew. but i have faith in it, and faith in the adcom to chose canidates that are qualified, and not just statistically.
and quit doggin those that have been accepted. congratulations to them for being an outstanding candidate and showing the admissions committee what they wanted to see. i want to hear from those accepted bc they will have valuable information for the rest of us. information i, and the rest of those waitlisted, would like to know. so please don't scare them off bc they don't want to get hassled by you guys.
and as for this:
i'm really curious too, and i'm going to ask admissions. i'll let you know what i find out. unless someone beats me to it.
"everybody gets knocked down. how quick are you going to get back up?"
keep it positive guys. everyone has a path, sometimes it just takes a while...
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I totally agree that the interview played a huge role. With my lower stats, it must have, or I would not still have a chance.
Do you all think there will be one-on-one time and interview feedback at the re-applicant workshop? I emailed and asked but no word yet. I thought it might be useful for us waitlisters to see what our interviewers really thought of us.
No I don't, you are a liar.
Do you all think there will be one-on-one time and interview feedback at the re-applicant workshop? I emailed and asked but no word yet. I thought it might be useful for us waitlisters to see what our interviewers really thought of us.
No I don't, you are a liar.
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