2010-2011 Michigan State University Application Thread

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Hey all! I'm having trouble finding the match list for chm. Can anyone provide a link? I'm choosing between Creighton and MSUCHM (yes, I had a choice to the poster who said people who got into CHM didn't, actually, I had my choice of 4) and want to compare these stats.

Thanks!

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Perfect! Thanks for your quick reply!

O, and I didn't mean for my first comment to be all braggy and annoying. I, too, was a little offended by a previous post that MSUCHM is a low-tier medical school and that students that get in typically don't have a choice on where they go, so I thought I'd counter by saying that that's not always the case. Sorry if I offended anyone!
 
Yes, medical schools know that they have a monopoly and therefore have no incentive to move faster. Did anyone on SDN consider not applying to a school just because of how long the response times were?

Compare this to D.O schools (like MSUCOM) - since D.O. is less desirable, they are forced to be more responsive. Also look at the very top tier of M.D. schools, who compete amongst themselves for the best candidates in the pool and so try to be much more transparent. Remember Michigan and their med admissions twitter account?

Schools at the bottom like MSU-CHM know that most of their applicants aren't too spoiled for choice, and so they can afford to take their time.

Are you insane?

From my discussions with classmates most of the other students in my class probably had 3-4 other schools to pick from. I know students who picked MSU CHM over "Top 10" programs.

Why?
The clinical education you get in MSU's community hospitals is absolutely incredible. I have friends at other universities that most on SDN would consider "Top Tier" and let me tell you, they have no where near the procedural and "real world" experience that you can get at CHM

When your at a giant academic medical center, and the option for a cool procedure comes up guess who's first on the list? The Fellow. If the fellow declines then you have the resident. Who's next? the intern. Then maybe you as a student will get a shot at it. In the community setting where on some rotations you work 1 on 1 with attending's you get 1st shot at whatever they are comfortable letting you try. You get 1 on 1 teaching directly from someone who has been doing this for decades, its not an intern in charge of your education.

In the last 3 weeks I have logged 7 central venous lines, 3 art lines, and 2 first shot's at intubations during floor codes. At my residency interviews I have met interns who didn't even get that many procedures during their ICU rotations.

Its not just about procedures, its more about the overall clinical experience that makes MSU a outstanding institution.

AND.... Those rankings very heavily weight NIH research funds. Since when did having lots of money for research equal strong education? MSU has a strong reputation for producing more "touchy feely" doctors. This is exactly what patients and residency programs are looking for.

Ok, just wanted to put that out there. Pre-meds always tend to emphasis some of the least important factors when picking a school. What really counts is your clinical education.


Oh and CHM does not make their match lists public.

But I'll tell you this year we placed a student in an Optho residency at mayo.

More to come later
 
Does anyone know if MSUCHM has had second day looks in the past (and if so, what to expect from them)? I ask because they sent out an email a few weeks ago requesting student feedback on a second look weekend and I haven't heard anything back since.

Thanks for the help.
 
Are you insane?

From my discussions with classmates most of the other students in my class probably had 3-4 other schools to pick from. I know students who picked MSU CHM over "Top 10" programs.

Why?
The clinical education you get in MSU's community hospitals is absolutely incredible. I have friends at other universities that most on SDN would consider "Top Tier" and let me tell you, they have no where near the procedural and "real world" experience that you can get at CHM

When your at a giant academic medical center, and the option for a cool procedure comes up guess who's first on the list? The Fellow. If the fellow declines then you have the resident. Who's next? the intern. Then maybe you as a student will get a shot at it. In the community setting where on some rotations you work 1 on 1 with attending's you get 1st shot at whatever they are comfortable letting you try. You get 1 on 1 teaching directly from someone who has been doing this for decades, its not an intern in charge of your education.

In the last 3 weeks I have logged 7 central venous lines, 3 art lines, and 2 first shot's at intubations during floor codes. At my residency interviews I have met interns who didn't even get that many procedures during their ICU rotations.

Its not just about procedures, its more about the overall clinical experience that makes MSU a outstanding institution.

AND.... Those rankings very heavily weight NIH research funds. Since when did having lots of money for research equal strong education? MSU has a strong reputation for producing more "touchy feely" doctors. This is exactly what patients and residency programs are looking for.

Ok, just wanted to put that out there. Pre-meds always tend to emphasis some of the least important factors when picking a school. What really counts is your clinical education.


Oh and CHM does not make their match lists public.

But I'll tell you this year we placed a student in an Optho residency at mayo.

More to come later

I love this:) if this was fb i'd totally hit "like"
 
Does anyone know if MSUCHM has had second day looks in the past (and if so, what to expect from them)? I ask because they sent out an email a few weeks ago requesting student feedback on a second look weekend and I haven't heard anything back since.

Thanks for the help.

I was wondering the same thing! Anyone have information on this? Also, thanks for the student insight on MSU above poster! That's really helpful!
 
Does anyone know if MSUCHM has had second day looks in the past (and if so, what to expect from them)? I ask because they sent out an email a few weeks ago requesting student feedback on a second look weekend and I haven't heard anything back since.

Thanks for the help.

I was wondering the same thing! Anyone have information on this? Also, thanks for the student insight on MSU above poster! That's really helpful!

Is this what you're looking for?

CHM Second Look for Accepted Applicants
Save the Date! April 22, 2011

More details coming by email shortly!

CHM Tours

The East Lansing campus offers tours by appointment on Tuesdays at 12:00 when school is in session and student tour guides are available. Please email the East Lansing office to secure a tour date.

The Grand Rapids campus offers tours by appointment on Wednesdays at 12:00 when school is in session and student tour guides are available. Please email the Grand Rapids office to secure a tour date.

Source: http://mdadmissions.msu.edu/events/events.php
 
Got the call at 7:55 tonight. I'm in! Good luck to all of you still waiting to hear.
 
received the phone call at 7:57!!

I interviewed in late October and was one of the students that got the "3rd" interview

Stats: ~30/ ~3.9

Advice: DO NOT GIVE UP. If you believe you are destined to be a doctor, never give up. You will accomplish your dreams, it is just a matter of TIME AND EFFORT. Everyone has a unique path!

Cheers,

(PM me for questions)
 
Are you insane?

From my discussions with classmates most of the other students in my class probably had 3-4 other schools to pick from. I know students who picked MSU CHM over "Top 10" programs.

Why?
The clinical education you get in MSU's community hospitals is absolutely incredible. I have friends at other universities that most on SDN would consider "Top Tier" and let me tell you, they have no where near the procedural and "real world" experience that you can get at CHM

When your at a giant academic medical center, and the option for a cool procedure comes up guess who's first on the list? The Fellow. If the fellow declines then you have the resident. Who's next? the intern. Then maybe you as a student will get a shot at it. In the community setting where on some rotations you work 1 on 1 with attending's you get 1st shot at whatever they are comfortable letting you try. You get 1 on 1 teaching directly from someone who has been doing this for decades, its not an intern in charge of your education.

In the last 3 weeks I have logged 7 central venous lines, 3 art lines, and 2 first shot's at intubations during floor codes. At my residency interviews I have met interns who didn't even get that many procedures during their ICU rotations.

Its not just about procedures, its more about the overall clinical experience that makes MSU a outstanding institution.

AND.... Those rankings very heavily weight NIH research funds. Since when did having lots of money for research equal strong education? MSU has a strong reputation for producing more "touchy feely" doctors. This is exactly what patients and residency programs are looking for.

Ok, just wanted to put that out there. Pre-meds always tend to emphasis some of the least important factors when picking a school. What really counts is your clinical education.


Oh and CHM does not make their match lists public.

But I'll tell you this year we placed a student in an Optho residency at mayo.

More to come later

Thank you so much for posting this! :D

CHM is most definitely my top choice. I am post-interview waiting for a response. Hopefully I will be in your shoes in a few years. :xf:
 
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received the phone call at 7:57!!

I interviewed in late October and was one of the students that got the "3rd" interview

Stats: ~30/ ~3.9

Advice: DO NOT GIVE UP. If you believe you are destined to be a doctor, never give up. You will accomplish your dreams, it is just a matter of TIME AND EFFORT. Everyone has a unique path!

Cheers,

(PM me for questions)

Thats awesome!! CONGRATS!! :)
 
For those who got accepted, did you only get an email for a CBC or did you get another email from the dean of admissions in the few days after you got the phone call. Just curious because all I got was the email for the CBC. Thanks.
 
I finally decided to register for this site after reading threads for a while. I was accepted at MSU CHM in December and interviewed in October. My stats are far from outstanding (30 MCAT, ~3.5 GPA - though I'll also have an MPH) so I felt the school really cared about personal fit and clinical experiences.

Anyway, I'm hoping to revisit the discussion about pre-clinical campus selection. As an out-of-stater, I'm not too familiar with Michigan. I feel like East Lansing is classic college town and seems like the safer option since I went to a Big Ten school and pretty much know what to expect. I've never been to Grand Rapids, though I hear it's a nice, safe city and the facilities are supposed to be amazing. I'm worried I would be bored in Grand Rapids though, because to be honest (and at the risk of sounding like a snob), the way people from Michigan might describe a fun city with lively bars and nice restaurants could be very different from my interpretation (I'm originally from the NYC area and lived in Boston for several years.) Any thoughts on the matter?
 
I finally decided to register for this site after reading threads for a while. I was accepted at MSU CHM in December and interviewed in October. My stats are far from outstanding (30 MCAT, ~3.5 GPA - though I'll also have an MPH) so I felt the school really cared about personal fit and clinical experiences.

Anyway, I'm hoping to revisit the discussion about pre-clinical campus selection. As an out-of-stater, I'm not too familiar with Michigan. I feel like East Lansing is classic college town and seems like the safer option since I went to a Big Ten school and pretty much know what to expect. I've never been to Grand Rapids, though I hear it's a nice, safe city and the facilities are supposed to be amazing. I'm worried I would be bored in Grand Rapids though, because to be honest (and at the risk of sounding like a snob), the way people from Michigan might describe a fun city with lively bars and nice restaurants could be very different from my interpretation (I'm originally from the NYC area and lived in Boston for several years.) Any thoughts on the matter?

As someone who has lived in Miami,FL and is a Michigan native, I would be happy to give you my opinion. I have spent time in both East Lansing and Grand Rapids. From my experience, Grand Rapids has much more of the city atmosphere to which you are accustomed.

Any other opinions?
 
Yes, medical schools know that they have a monopoly and therefore have no incentive to move faster. Did anyone on SDN consider not applying to a school just because of how long the response times were?

Compare this to D.O schools (like MSUCOM) - since D.O. is less desirable, they are forced to be more responsive. Also look at the very top tier of M.D. schools, who compete amongst themselves for the best candidates in the pool and so try to be much more transparent. Remember Michigan and their med admissions twitter account?

Schools at the bottom like MSU-CHM know that most of their applicants aren't too spoiled for choice, and so they can afford to take their time.

I hope people do not read this and think this is how it is. I and many of my class mates had many choices for school. U of M moves very slightly faster if at all. Yes they have the nice little counters but many people (I was one of them) are still left to wonder their fate for months.
 
I finally decided to register for this site after reading threads for a while. I was accepted at MSU CHM in December and interviewed in October. My stats are far from outstanding (30 MCAT, ~3.5 GPA - though I'll also have an MPH) so I felt the school really cared about personal fit and clinical experiences.

Anyway, I'm hoping to revisit the discussion about pre-clinical campus selection. As an out-of-stater, I'm not too familiar with Michigan. I feel like East Lansing is classic college town and seems like the safer option since I went to a Big Ten school and pretty much know what to expect. I've never been to Grand Rapids, though I hear it's a nice, safe city and the facilities are supposed to be amazing. I'm worried I would be bored in Grand Rapids though, because to be honest (and at the risk of sounding like a snob), the way people from Michigan might describe a fun city with lively bars and nice restaurants could be very different from my interpretation (I'm originally from the NYC area and lived in Boston for several years.) Any thoughts on the matter?

I think GR is a hidden gem of a city and it's more than ok with me if not too many more people discover it and ruin it. But if you agree not to tell any of your NYC/Boston friends, I'll let you in on the secret. You've got some very wealthy families/companies who have dropped a ton of money here, planting cultural seeds such as Meijer Gardens (sculpture and intimate outdoor concerts in the summer), DeVos Place (music and theater), VanAndel Arena, (large venue concerts, minor league hockey, novelty shows), VanAndel Museum (currently featuring Bodies Revealed and the DiVinci Surgical Robot- you won't get to touch one of these until after you're out of med school, but for $8, you can go play with theirs!). The downtown, besides being home to Seechia, has the medical mile, which is rapidly developing GR into a medical destination. I know, sounds funny, but the point is that with the amazing VanAndel Research Institute and all of the hospital expansion, we're seeing a huge influx of medical/science professionals who, by the way, also like to do things and have fun in their spare time. They have minor league baseball where from the worst seat in the house you can tell whether the players shaved or not. Pick up 4 seats, dogs and Pepsi and burn all of $20 to do it. Berlin Raceway for motorheads, 45 minutes to some of the most spectacular sugar sand beaches in the world, many fantastic bike trails, casino 20 minutes from downtown, decent snowboarding within a couple hours, and IF you insist on doing the big city thing, Chicago is 3 hours to the Loop. All of this and people are nice, traffic jams are nonexistant, it's safe, you can actually find parking, and it doesn't cost you your firstborn to do any of it. Nothing against E.L., but you're right, it is a fairly typical Big Ten college town....yawn. If you choose to attend there, it's ok by me.;) Hope this helps you.
 
I finally decided to register for this site after reading threads for a while. I was accepted at MSU CHM in December and interviewed in October. My stats are far from outstanding (30 MCAT, ~3.5 GPA - though I'll also have an MPH) so I felt the school really cared about personal fit and clinical experiences.

Anyway, I'm hoping to revisit the discussion about pre-clinical campus selection. As an out-of-stater, I'm not too familiar with Michigan. I feel like East Lansing is classic college town and seems like the safer option since I went to a Big Ten school and pretty much know what to expect. I've never been to Grand Rapids, though I hear it's a nice, safe city and the facilities are supposed to be amazing. I'm worried I would be bored in Grand Rapids though, because to be honest (and at the risk of sounding like a snob), the way people from Michigan might describe a fun city with lively bars and nice restaurants could be very different from my interpretation (I'm originally from the NYC area and lived in Boston for several years.) Any thoughts on the matter?

As someone who has lived in Miami,FL and is a Michigan native, I would be happy to give you my opinion. I have spent time in both East Lansing and Grand Rapids. From my experience, Grand Rapids has much more of the city atmosphere to which you are accustomed.

Any other opinions?

...although since you're from the NYC area and lived in Boston, I think you will be underwhelmed by the small scale of the Grand Rapids city experience, as beautiful and clean as it is.

Someone earlier mentioned that the type of people you'll be running into at GR will be more young professionals as opposed to undergrads at EL. I think that's relevant.
 
I think GR is a hidden gem of a city and it's more than ok with me if not too many more people discover it and ruin it. But if you agree not to tell any of your NYC/Boston friends, I'll let you in on the secret. You've got some very wealthy families/companies who have dropped a ton of money here, planting cultural seeds such as Meijer Gardens (sculpture and intimate outdoor concerts in the summer), DeVos Place (music and theater), VanAndel Arena, (large venue concerts, minor league hockey, novelty shows), VanAndel Museum (currently featuring Bodies Revealed and the DiVinci Surgical Robot- you won't get to touch one of these until after you're out of med school, but for $8, you can go play with theirs!). The downtown, besides being home to Seechia, has the medical mile, which is rapidly developing GR into a medical destination. I know, sounds funny, but the point is that with the amazing VanAndel Research Institute and all of the hospital expansion, we're seeing a huge influx of medical/science professionals who, by the way, also like to do things and have fun in their spare time. They have minor league baseball where from the worst seat in the house you can tell whether the players shaved or not. Pick up 4 seats, dogs and Pepsi and burn all of $20 to do it. Berlin Raceway for motorheads, 45 minutes to some of the most spectacular sugar sand beaches in the world, many fantastic bike trails, casino 20 minutes from downtown, decent snowboarding within a couple hours, and IF you insist on doing the big city thing, Chicago is 3 hours to the Loop. All of this and people are nice, traffic jams are nonexistant, it's safe, you can actually find parking, and it doesn't cost you your firstborn to do any of it. Nothing against E.L., but you're right, it is a fairly typical Big Ten college town....yawn. If you choose to attend there, it's ok by me.;) Hope this helps you.
Thanks, that was really helpful. I may have a more difficult decision than I thought.
 
Just interviewed at GR this week. Admissions said our group should hear in the next 2-3 weeks of a decision on our file. They also said they were looking to wrap up "really soon". So I'm guessing if you haven't heard from them for awhile news may be coming your way soon. If any of you interviewing next month have any questions while the experience is still fresh in my mind PM me. :luck: Good Luck everyone!
 
I fell in love with MSUCHM grand rapids this week.... FYI lol
 
is MSU still giving out interviews?
my app. status page still says in preliminary review :(
 
is MSU still giving out interviews?
my app. status page still says in preliminary review :(

I called the admissions office today for a different reason, but I noticed that the recording said they are interviewing through the month of March. I hope you get one of those remaining interviews. :xf:
 
I called the admissions office today for a different reason, but I noticed that the recording said they are interviewing through the month of March. I hope you get one of those remaining interviews. :xf:

I received an interview invite yesterday for the end of March. I'm OOS and was complete back in September. This was the first I had heard from them since becoming complete. I'm REALLY excited about this one! I've heard great things about the program, and especially the clinical training...and I've always wanted to go to a school with a major football and basketball program! :)

By the way, I noticed on the website that there was mention of an April 7th interview. Plus, I thought I read somewhere that there are a couple notification dates in April for interviewees, with the last notification date being in early May. So if that is in fact true, it'd make sense that the interview season extends well into April.
 
I interviewed at MSU CHM and would love to provide tips and feedback. Please PM me if you have any questions and good luck!
 
I think they must be getting through the september completed applications now.

I just got rejected and been complete since 9/16 and someone else complete in september on here just got an end March interview. I'll be in Mich though for a Wayne state interview at end of march.

I'm not surprised by MSU's decision though cuz other classmates were also rejected long time ago. That's why i'd been saying that I was surprised not to hear for so long. Last time I was complete later but heard by end Feb. So who knows if the hearing 1.5 weeks later meant they were truly considering me for a while. But whatever at least I know their decision now.
Sorry for the bad news. Your perseverance is impressive though, and I'm sure that will be recognized and rewarded at some point. Best of luck to you!
 
Also rejected pre-interview via email... after hearing NOTHING since I was complete on 8/9. Oh well, I saw it coming :p.

GL to everybody!!! :luck:
 
Rejected pre-interview... IS, 35K, sgpa 3.8, I got no love from the Michigan schools.
 
Rejected pre-interview... IS, 35K, sgpa 3.8, I got no love from the Michigan schools.
Whoa, pretty decent stats for an IS not even getting an interview. Hard to believe you would get dinged that hard for the K. Problems with the essays possibly? LOR's tripped up one guy I know. Details like that can easily be the difference in getting rejected or accepted. Assuming you were complete early, I'd be taking a hard look at that stuff if you don't get in somewhere this year. Best of luck!
 
Whoa, pretty decent stats for an IS not even getting an interview. Hard to believe you would get dinged that hard for the K. Problems with the essays possibly? LOR's tripped up one guy I know. Details like that can easily be the difference in getting rejected or accepted. Assuming you were complete early, I'd be taking a hard look at that stuff if you don't get in somewhere this year. Best of luck!

Yea I was pretty surprised as well. I'm already accepted elsewhere so it's not a huge deal. Would have liked the in state tuition and being able to stay in the area. Some of my friends at State thought it might have been because my app gave them the impression I wouldn't be going into primary care. Oh well.
 
Maybe its cuz they are very primary care focused and thought you didn't fit the mission but that kinda sucks with being one of only 3 now 4 major medical schools in the state. This is why Mich is in need of more schools and CMU would be a good idea if it goes through. Then the state will have 5 med schools.

But at least bright side is u have an acceptance somewhere. :D

If I end up in ur state at WSU, I'd be in an OOS school too paying OOS tuition.


I just got rejected today :(
Was hoping on some good news from this school...kinda annoying to have to wait all this time and then not even get an interview
 
Yes, thanks Marga! My friend got an email with a formal acceptance and the date for the second look day a couple of weeks ago. My background check went through (I got the email from AMCAS) but haven't gotten my formal acceptance yet, which is what prompted me to ask. Hope to meet some of you there!

Is this what you're looking for?

CHM Second Look for Accepted Applicants
Save the Date! April 22, 2011

More details coming by email shortly!

CHM Tours

The East Lansing campus offers tours by appointment on Tuesdays at 12:00 when school is in session and student tour guides are available. Please email the East Lansing office to secure a tour date.

The Grand Rapids campus offers tours by appointment on Wednesdays at 12:00 when school is in session and student tour guides are available. Please email the Grand Rapids office to secure a tour date.

Source: http://mdadmissions.msu.edu/events/events.php
 
Yes, thanks Marga! My friend got an email with a formal acceptance and the date for the second look day a couple of weeks ago. My background check went through (I got the email from AMCAS) but haven't gotten my formal acceptance yet, which is what prompted me to ask. Hope to meet some of you there!

I've yet to get my formal acceptance too. I asked a friend who is also accepted and she hasn't got her formal acceptance as well. She shot the admissions an email regarding this, and they said that it is just a minor error in the background check and that they would be reviewing the errors this week. I wonder what error it was though because my CBC was all clear?
 
Hi Everyone,

I just learned about SDN recently. It is a great resource. I was hoping someone who had previously been waitlisted at MSU could give me some insight. I am on the alternate list and I want to know how I can improve my chances for admission. At my interview day, the admissions officers said they took approximately 1/2 of the waitlist last year. Any advice or information would be much appreciated. Thank you.
 
hi everyone,

i just learned about sdn recently. It is a great resource. I was hoping someone who had previously been waitlisted at msu could give me some insight. I am on the alternate list and i want to know how i can improve my chances for admission. At my interview day, the admissions officers said they took approximately 1/2 of the waitlist last year. Any advice or information would be much appreciated. Thank you.

+1
 
Hi Everyone,

I just learned about SDN recently. It is a great resource. I was hoping someone who had previously been waitlisted at MSU could give me some insight. I am on the alternate list and I want to know how I can improve my chances for admission. At my interview day, the admissions officers said they took approximately 1/2 of the waitlist last year. Any advice or information would be much appreciated. Thank you.

If you don't mind, how were you notified of your status? Snail mail, email? Also, where you notified exactly on one of the notification dates on their admissions website?
 
If you don't mind, how were you notified of your status? Snail mail, email? Also, where you notified exactly on one of the notification dates on their admissions website?

e-mailed. I'm OOS so I believe OOS gets notified later on than IS b/c they took a long time for me.
 
e-mailed. I'm OOS so I believe OOS gets notified later on than IS b/c they took a long time for me.

Did you interview recently? I interviewed on 2/24 and have yet to hear, though I feel it's still pretty early for our group (unless someone here from that day got any news?). I'm also OOS.
 
If you don't mind, how were you notified of your status? Snail mail, email? Also, where you notified exactly on one of the notification dates on their admissions website?


I was e-mailed that I was on the alternate list 2 weeks after my interview. I believe I received the e-mail the morning after a decision date. At my interview day, the admissions staff said, in general, the turnaround time between interview and a decision should be 6 weeks or less. Hope this is helpful.
 
Hi Everyone,

I just learned about SDN recently. It is a great resource. I was hoping someone who had previously been waitlisted at MSU could give me some insight. I am on the alternate list and I want to know how I can improve my chances for admission. At my interview day, the admissions officers said they took approximately 1/2 of the waitlist last year. Any advice or information would be much appreciated. Thank you.

heterozygote, do you think they'll take 1/2 of the waitlist this year as well? And how big is their wait list?
 
heterozygote, do you think they'll take 1/2 of the waitlist this year as well? And how big is their wait list?

I don't know the exact answer to either of these questions. I was reading some threads from earlier application cycles, and I seem to remember one waitlisted applicant writing that they had called the admissions office and 75 people were on the waitlist. On my interview day, they stated they had a slight increase in applications this year, I don't know what that means in terms of waitlist activity, though. I think the admissions office might be able to tell you more. Of the earlier threads I read, it doesn't seem anyone was pulled from the waitlist before the May 15th deadline, but I didn't read these threads very closely.
 
Is there any SDN-esque conspiracy theory about what it means if you're invited to interview at one campus over another? A quick look didn't show anything and I doubt there is, but was interested nonetheless.

Thanks!
 
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