2010-2011 Wayne State Application Thread

[Darwinism]

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I'm pretty sure they will start making cuts off the wait list soon, so if you make it through the cuts, there is still hope

 

[rentedmule]

Honestly, it seems like it takes them the entire year (over an entire year: June-August) to review all the applicants and fill their class. And why wouldn't it take that long? With primary and secondary applications from 4000+ applicants, interviews, visit days, etc, it seems like it's a crazy process for them as much as it is for us. As a current waitlister, I would prefer that they take their time and open the application earlier if it means that my application will get a fair and thorough review. That's not to say that the whole waitlist thing isn't driving me crazy! But, I understand that adcoms have a lot on their plates too.

Never argued adcoms had it easy, but technically they have already gone over every primary and secondary by May of the entering year-- therefore, the 'fair and thorough' part of that review process has more or less taken place before the final waitlist is made. If applicants are ranked, then even less time is spent when deliberating who to pull from the wl from June-August.

...It's very rare, if at all, for you to pay for a good or service that you can't use for at least two months. From a consumer's standpoint, that seems like a real raw deal...

...There's no requirement for you to submit in June, and since most schools don't start offering interviews until well after current class has matriculated, delaying until August doesn't help anyone... some people would like time to work on their applications before submitting and before classes (for undergrad or grad) start in the fall.

Are you seriously equating medical school education to the average business? We pay for goods and services that we can't use until a later date all the time... Insurance is an obvious example. But that is a whole other debate for a different thread...

I know that there is no "requirement" to submit it in June in the current model, but you will not have the same chance of matriculating at X, Y, and Z schools if you apply in August or September (even though secondary deadlines are months later). Competing with 1000 people is not the same as competing with 5000.
I agree on the need to have time to complete everything before Fall semester starts though. I had a late MCAT date last year so I ended up having to do a lot of the secondaries during school = not a lot of fun.

 

[deleted274002]

Never argued adcoms had it easy, but technically they have already gone over every primary and secondary by May of the entering year-- therefore, the 'fair and thorough' part of that review process has more or less taken place before the final waitlist is made. If applicants are ranked, then even less time is spent when deliberating who to pull from the wl from June-August.


Are you seriously equating medical school education to the average business? We pay for goods and services that we can't use until a later date all the time... Insurance is an obvious example. But that is a whole other debate for a different thread...

I know that there is no "requirement" to submit it in June in the current model, but you will not have the same chance of matriculating at X, Y, and Z schools if you apply in August or September (even though secondary deadlines are months later). Competing with 1000 people is not the same as competing with 5000.
I agree on the need to have time to complete everything before Fall semester starts though. I had a late MCAT date last year so I ended up having to do a lot of the secondaries during school = not a lot of fun.

I used to work for my undergraduate admissions office. Universities at all levels, whether they are public or private, certainly function like businesses (not to say that they should; the commodification of students is a discussion for another time).

And your example with insurance isn't entirely correct. When you pay premiums, you are paying for a policy, not the actual insurance benefits themselves. When you pay for insurance of any kind, the service you are receiving is your insurance policy, even if you don't have any benefits paid out to you immediately.

Many schools do NOT have rolling admissions, so no, when you apply does not matter. For those that do, submitting your AMCAS in August vs. June isn't going to make that big of a difference. Submitting your AMCAS in October/November vs. June or even August, however, after many schools have not only interviewed applicants but also admitted some, will make a difference.

 

[MalteseGirl]

Congrats GujuDoc! I withdrew from the waitlist before May 15th but have been following the forum for a friend of mine who is on the waitlist and is hoping to get in. I've been rooting for both of you! If you are anything like your posts suggest, you will make a compassionate physician, which I can honestly say we need more of 🙂

 

[rentedmule]

And your example with insurance isn't entirely correct. When you pay premiums, you are paying for a policy, not the actual insurance benefits themselves. When you pay for insurance of any kind, the service you are receiving is your insurance policy, even if you don't have any benefits paid out to you immediately.

Many schools do NOT have rolling admissions, so no, when you apply does not matter. For those that do, submitting your AMCAS in August vs. June isn't going to make that big of a difference. Submitting your AMCAS in October/November vs. June or even August, however, after many schools have not only interviewed applicants but also admitted some, will make a difference.

The example might not be perfect, but I fail to see the degree of disconnect between premium and policy you are implying. You pay the premiums for the policy so that policy covers you in the future in the form of paying for your medical expenses (the service/goods).
You said: "It's very rare, if at all, for you to pay for a good or service that you can't use for at least two months." In med insurance, you do pay for a service that you cannot use for X number of months or years. In other words, until you happen to require that service.

I understand that in schools where they don't use rolling admissions your odds don't diminish as much as at schools that do, but if you are not the most excellent of candidates to grace the face of this planet, then plain old competition with lower your odds of getting in. This being the product of the wl applicant being forced/deciding to apply later due to the propagation of false hope, etc.

 

[Darwinism]

The example might not be perfect, but I fail to see the degree of disconnect between premium and policy you are implying. You pay the premiums for the policy so that policy covers you in the future in the form of paying for your medical expenses (the service/goods).
You said: "It's very rare, if at all, for you to pay for a good or service that you can't use for at least two months." In med insurance, you do pay for a service that you cannot use for X number of months or years. In other words, until you happen to require that service.

I understand that in schools where they don't use rolling admissions your odds don't diminish as much as at schools that do, but if you are not the most excellent of candidates to grace the face of this planet, then plain old competition with lower your odds of getting in. This being the product of the wl applicant being forced/deciding to apply later due to the propagation of false hope, etc.

What the hell are you guys talking about?

 

[rentedmule]

What the hell are you guys talking about?

Lmao...

In lieu of the tl;dr nature of our back-and-forth, in a nutshell: As a multiple wl holder atm, I was complaining about the AMCAS cycle overlap (being waitlisted while the new cycle starts and not knowing if you have to re-apply => get shafted while re-applying later w/ regard to chances) and the need to reform it. Spankz thinks med schools/adcoms are doing the best they could.

 

[Iniesta]

What the hell are you guys talking about?

Hahaha I have the same question.

 

[Leoj]

Lmao...

In lieu of the tl;dr nature of our back-and-forth, in a nutshell: As a multiple wl holder atm, I was complaining about the AMCAS cycle overlap (being waitlisted while the new cycle starts and not knowing if you have to re-apply => get shafted while re-applying later w/ regard to chances) and the need to reform it. Spankz thinks med schools/adcoms are doing the best they could.

Another problem is that some schools won't go over your application and tell you where you need to improve on if you have already re-applied for the next cycle. So if you re-applied early just in case you didn't get taken off the waitlist, and then get rejected later, you can't have them tell you what you need to improve on for next year.

 

[the messenger]

Another problem is that some schools won't go over your application and tell you where you need to improve on if you have already re-applied for the next cycle. So if you re-applied early just in case you didn't get taken off the waitlist, and then get rejected later, you can't have them tell you what you need to improve on for next year.

That may be true for some schools, but that doesn't describe my experience with Wayne. Last year, I was on the WL until orientation week and never got pulled. I had submitted my reapplication late September/early October and was able to schedule an appointment with Dr. Norman later in October, despite having submitted both my AMCAS and Wayne secondaries.

 

[Calheesh]

What the hell are you guys talking about?

Like a BOSS!

 

[gujuDoc]

Like a BOSS!

Congrats on MSU. I just saw ur signature. I think oddly enough that's where I first came across your posts was in that thread. So glad to see it worked out for you. 🙂

 

[epsilonprodigy]

Gujudoc, I was just browsing and saw that your status had changed to medical student!! Congrats man! I don't think we've ever talked directly but I always enjoy your advice. So happy for you!

 

[Calheesh]

Congrats on MSU. I just saw ur signature. I think oddly enough that's where I first came across your posts was in that thread. So glad to see it worked out for you. 🙂

Yeah! Thanks gujuDoc. And I'm happy that everything worked out for you aswell. Much deserved.

 

[deleted274002]

In med insurance, you do pay for a service that you cannot use for X number of months or years. In other words, until you happen to require that service.

I understand that in schools where they don't use rolling admissions your odds don't diminish as much as at schools that do, but if you are not the most excellent of candidates to grace the face of this planet, then plain old competition with lower your odds of getting in. This being the product of the wl applicant being forced/deciding to apply later due to the propagation of false hope, etc.

Just because you MAY NOT NEED to use health insurance for X number of months or years doesn't mean you CANNOT use it. You can claim benefits the day your policy goes into effect, which is typically when you start making payments.

I totally agree that they shouldn't give anyone false hope, but that would require them to tell you your place. While applying as early as possible is always key, submitting to AMCAS in June vs. end of July doesn't make as big of a difference as you think. Schools don't even see primaries until the end of June and many schools won't start submitting secondaries well into July.

 

[gujuDoc]

Just because you MAY NOT NEED to use health insurance for X number of months or years doesn't mean you CANNOT use it. You can claim benefits the day your policy goes into effect, which is typically when you start making payments.

I totally agree that they shouldn't give anyone false hope, but that would require them to tell you your place. While applying as early as possible is always key, submitting to AMCAS in June vs. end of July doesn't make as big of a difference as you think. Schools don't even see primaries until the end of June and many schools won't start submitting secondaries well into July.

Agreed!

 

[rentedmule]

Just because you MAY NOT NEED to use health insurance for X number of months or years doesn't mean you CANNOT use it. You can claim benefits the day your policy goes into effect, which is typically when you start making payments.

I don't want to further beat this off-topic dead horse, but surely you are mistaken if you think you can just waltz into a hospital, demand a treatment/procedure you don't need, and somehow expect the insurance company to approve your claim. My point is, you are paying money or investing into a service that you can tap into when the need arises-- need is generally required and proven by evidence (doctor's recommendation, etc.) for your procedure to be paid off. So in that regard, you are paying for a commodity that you will not take advantage of until a future date (I understand that the mystery date does not help the analogy).
To bring it back to the main point (was there one? lol), I don't see how making a down payment on your education (the "commodity") 2 months in advance and then receiving that commodity after those two months is such an absurd or novel idea here (again, I am making the assumption that finaid would be given out earlier as well).

 

[deleted274002]

I don't want to further beat this off-topic dead horse, but surely you are mistaken if you think you can just waltz into a hospital, demand a treatment/procedure you don't need, and somehow expect the insurance company to approve your claim. My point is, you are paying money or investing into a service that you can tap into when the need arises-- need is generally required and proven by evidence (doctor's recommendation, etc.) for your procedure to be paid off. So in that regard, you are paying for a commodity that you will not take advantage of until a future date (I understand that the mystery date does not help the analogy).
To bring it back to the main point (was there one? lol), I don't see how making a down payment on your education (the "commodity") 2 months in advance and then receiving that commodity after those two months is such an absurd or novel idea here (again, I am making the assumption that finaid would be given out earlier as well).

I don't want to either; it's not particularly relevant to this thread and I think we're aggravating everyone else. While I think you're misunderstanding how your health insurance works, it's not terribly important.

Medical schools already do require you to pay something: the deposit. I wouldn't change how they do admissions the way you suggest. You want it that way because it helps you, but for the thousands of other applicants, it's not feasible.

I would change how much information they tell you regarding your waitlist position/rank. It would give you a more realistic view of your chances while at the same time being fair to other applicants.

Requiring thousands of dollars in tuition payments long before classes start when so much can change isn't fair to other applicants, and, I hate to say it, medical schools.

There's something else you're not thinking about. You're waiting on a spot from Wayne. You don't have any other acceptances. I know, I've been there: twice. But let's imagine someone else got into Wayne but no other schools and they're waitlisted at their dream school. I know they're in a better position (and not one to complain, by the way) than you or I (were), but don't you think it's a little unfair to require them to pay a significant chunk of tuition if they're still waiting on their dream school? What if they get in?

 

[gujuDoc]

I don't want to either; it's not particularly relevant to this thread and I think we're aggravating everyone else. While I think you're misunderstanding how your health insurance works, it's not terribly important.

Medical schools already do require you to pay something: the deposit. I wouldn't change how they do admissions the way you suggest. You want it that way because it helps you, but for the thousands of other applicants, it's not feasible.

I would change how much information they tell you regarding your waitlist position/rank. It would give you a more realistic view of your chances while at the same time being fair to other applicants.

Requiring thousands of dollars in tuition payments long before classes start when so much can change isn't fair to other applicants, and, I hate to say it, medical schools.

👍👍

agreed 100%

 

[rentedmule]

So to get back on topic lol:
I called admissions earlier and inquired about waitlist movement and was told that the class is full (no surprise there), there have only been a handful of openings lately, no people with multiple acceptances, maybe one or two spots might open up.

 

[gujuDoc]

So to get back on topic lol:
I called admissions earlier and inquired about waitlist movement and was told that the class is full (no surprise there), there have only been a handful of openings lately, no people with multiple acceptances, maybe one or two spots might open up.

u on the in state or out of state waitlist? I'm just curious. Yeah it seems waitlists are slowing down. though I'm in here I'm still keeping up on sdn to see what happens with my state school and its the same deal there. Very minimal movement at this time.

 

[deleted274002]

So to get back on topic lol:
I called admissions earlier and inquired about waitlist movement and was told that the class is full (no surprise there), there have only been a handful of openings lately, no people with multiple acceptances, maybe one or two spots might open up.

Yeah, at the beginning of waitlist season I wrote here that the biggest movement occurs after May 15 (or May 16 this year, the deadline for holding multiple acceptances) until about the end of June.

While people do get accepted in July (some a week before classes begin), the movement will be a trickle. If you're waiting on one school, I would get your backup plans in order now.

 

[rentedmule]

Yeah, at the beginning of waitlist season I wrote here that the biggest movement occurs after May 15 (or May 16 this year, the deadline for holding multiple acceptances) until about the end of June.

While people do get accepted in July (some a week before classes begin), the movement will be a trickle. If you're waiting on one school, I would get your backup plans in order now.

That you did. I am waitlisted at 3 schools, but even that is not much more comforting than 1 at this stage... Just finished revising Work/Activities, PS revision up next, and my MCAT (the main culprit for wl) class re-take starts next week for a likely Sept. date.

And I'm IS guju, which doesn't help ^^.

 

[gujuDoc]

That you did. I am waitlisted at 3 schools, but even that is not much more comforting than 1 at this stage... Just finished revising Work/Activities, PS revision up next, and my MCAT (the main culprit for wl) class re-take starts next week for a likely Sept. date.

And I'm IS guju, which doesn't help ^^.

Ah I see. 🙁 Sorry to hear. I hope u get into one of ur 3 schools. I know IS waitlists are worse then OOS ones even in Fl. I've seen at a lot of schools that the OOS waitlist is moving at a greater rate then the IS one and in the case of some schools there is no movement at all.

 

[rentedmule]

Ah I see. 🙁 Sorry to hear. I hope u get into one of ur 3 schools. I know IS waitlists are worse then OOS ones even in Fl. I've seen at a lot of schools that the OOS waitlist is moving at a greater rate then the IS one and in the case of some schools there is no movement at all.

Thanks. Yea, especially in the last two weeks, almost zero activity on all 3 SDN threads. IS being slower is obviously due to tuition, proximity to family, etc.

 

[CrazyCloud]

I'm in-state too, my only wait list spot, and Wayne State alumnus. I'm also a bit older than the average applicant. Wayne State SOM is my dream school for several reasons.

Thank you all for your advice these past several months.

 

[sparkle248]

I'm in-state too, my only wait list spot, and Wayne State alumnus. I'm also a bit older than the average applicant. Wayne State SOM is my dream school for several reasons.

Thank you all for your advice these past several months.

same here. no multiple acceptances is really discouraging. time to move on from this application cycle.

 

[Madz99]

same here. no multiple acceptances is really discouraging. time to move on from this application cycle.

Yup 🙁 Hopefully we'll have better outcomes next year. Good luck!

 

[sparkle248]

Yup 🙁 Hopefully we'll have better outcomes next year. Good luck!

Good luck to you too! You've been really helpful during this thread.

 

[gujuDoc]

Yup 🙁 Hopefully we'll have better outcomes next year. Good luck!

I wish all u in staters lots of luck in the coming year esp. since u all really seem to want to come here. Hang in there. I applied 2x to get here. this was not my first app cycle. 2 years ago was when i initially applied. So don't give up hope if u don't get in on the first try.

 

[deleted274002]

I wish all u in staters lots of luck in the coming year esp. since u all really seem to want to come here. Hang in there. I applied 2x to get here. this was not my first app cycle. 2 years ago was when i initially applied. So don't give up hope if u don't get in on the first try.

Same goes for me.

 

[pikachu10]

I wish all u in staters lots of luck in the coming year esp. since u all really seem to want to come here. Hang in there. I applied 2x to get here. this was not my first app cycle. 2 years ago was when i initially applied. So don't give up hope if u don't get in on the first try.

I know how that goes, just submitted my app for my third application cycle. Two-time waitlister at Wayne. Hopefully next year is the year!

 

[deleted274002]

I know how that goes, just submitted my app for my third application cycle. Two-time waitlister at Wayne. Hopefully next year is the year!

I was the first one to post in this year's forum. I wrote, "Third times' a charm!"

And, this year, it was true. This year will be your year.

 

[CodeBlu]

I know how that goes, just submitted my app for my third application cycle. Two-time waitlister at Wayne. Hopefully next year is the year!

Good luck Pikachu!

I'm applying for the first time this cycle... hopefully we can rock out together!

 

[heterozygote]

Hi All,
Does anyone know about the pre-matriculation program? I'm trying to decide whether to participate.

Thank you.

 

[PBN]

heterozygote,

Are you talking about the post-bac program for disadvantaged students? I recieved an invitation to apply for that as well. I spoke with the admission people and they said it does not remove you from the waitlist. It's just another avenue for you to get into medical school. Completing the 12 month program with a 3.0 gpa or above guarantee's you a spot next year.

 

[Ahmed786]

Hey does anyone know how we can go about paying our tuition for next year??
I still dont see any bill online...any idea of when it will come?

 

[the messenger]

Hey does anyone know how we can go about paying our tuition for next year??
I still dont see any bill online...any idea of when it will come?

I know that if you're paying with financial aid, you will be billed pretty soon after you get your disbursement at the end of July. Billing usually coincides with disbursement in this way.

 

[azizsm]

I'm withdrawing my acceptance...hope someone from SDN gets my spot. OOS Canadian

 

[gujuDoc]

This may be a stupid question, but, for the picture, I got a passport pic taken at CVS but they only gave me two copies. Chances are, I'm going to need more than 2 of these tangible pictures (Loyola, Umich interview, wayne, maybe more?) so does the photo need to be glossy, etc. or can I just scan the picture that I've taken and print it out on a 8.5x11? Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, I didn't do a huge search for it. I guess I can just call them and ask if nobody knows.

You know a lot of the apps they have emailed pics, so u can just email them a scanned pic. Otherwise just get prints of the passport pics u get taken for the few that require paper ones. Sometimes they give it on a cd and u can use the cd copy to print more copies in the future.

 

[heterozygote]

Thanks for your message. I'm actually talking about the pre-matriculation program for admitted students. It starts a week before orientation.

Thank you.

heterozygote,

Are you talking about the post-bac program for disadvantaged students? I recieved an invitation to apply for that as well. I spoke with the admission people and they said it does not remove you from the waitlist. It's just another avenue for you to get into medical school. Completing the 12 month program with a 3.0 gpa or above guarantee's you a spot next year.

 

[the messenger]

Thanks for your message. I'm actually talking about the pre-matriculation program for admitted students. It starts a week before orientation.

Thank you.

I haven't heard of this program. How did you get notice of it?

 

[gujuDoc]

So looks like its official that without any doubt this is where I will be in fall. Up til now I was holding a seat with hopes of UCF waitlist coming through but I was rejected from UCF officially today. So wayne state it is in the fall. See you guys soon. 🙂

 

[heterozygote]

I haven't heard of this program. How did you get notice of it?

I got an e-mail invitation. I think it's for students who weren't pre-med in undergrad or non-traditional students etc...

I'm guessing the admissions office could give you more information if you were interested.

 

[Monsterko]

I got the call from Dawn today!! Thank you, thank you, to whomever withdrew their offer!!
I had almost given up hope and stopped reading posts on SDN for months now, but it just shows you that all the waitlisters are still in the game, even if it's a long long game. And hopefully others also got the same call today as well!!

 

[CodeBlu]

I got the call from Dawn today!! Thank you, thank you, to whomever withdrew their offer!!
I had almost given up hope and stopped reading posts on SDN for months now, but it just shows you that all the waitlisters are still in the game, even if it's a long long game. And hopefully others also got the same call today as well!!

Heartiest of congratulations!!! That is amazing news!!

 

[the messenger]

I got an e-mail invitation. I think it's for students who weren't pre-med in undergrad or non-traditional students etc...

I'm guessing the admissions office could give you more information if you were interested.

Ah, I gotcha. My pre-med/bio track was probably why I didn't get the invitation, then. Thanks, heterozygote!

 

[Margra]

Hi everyone!

Just got a call from Dawn this afternoon and I was accepted! OOS. Will be attending this year (orientation in 2.5 weeks?! Luckily I'm local!)

It's not over yet!

 

[Darwinism]

Hi everyone!

Just got a call from Dawn this afternoon and I was accepted! OOS. Will be attending this year (orientation in 2.5 weeks?! Luckily I'm local!)

It's not over yet!

Congrats

 

[heterozygote]

heterozygote,

Are you talking about the post-bac program for disadvantaged students? I recieved an invitation to apply for that as well. I spoke with the admission people and they said it does not remove you from the waitlist. It's just another avenue for you to get into medical school. Completing the 12 month program with a 3.0 gpa or above guarantee's you a spot next year.

Hi. Sorry for delayed reply. The pre-matriculation program is for accepted students. The post-bac program is a completely separate program. Best of luck.