2011-2012 Columbia Application Thread

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1) Explain the nickname 'College of Surgeons and Surgeons' and how clerkship experiences in surgery and surgical subspecialties at P&S differ from peer schools.

The nickname stems from the fact that, in general, about 30% of the class goes into surgery related fields (internal medicine is still the most common, however). Of that percentage a substantial amount includes the surgical subs. Ortho often reaches the mid 10s and ent and optho also often break ten depending on the year. Neurosurg averages about five a year and i think plastics 2-3 a year (both over the last ten years). Lots of folks in anesthesia and urology as well. The primary difference in our surgical curriculum is the fact that students spend a week in all of them during the clinical year (not graded), which I think contributes to higher rates of students aplying into those fields than schools with out such exposure.

2) Two third year females said there is a 'boys' club' and 'fratty' feel to the school, but maybe it's just their class. Is there anything in your experience indicating a male-leaning institutional culture, social life, clubs?

Not really, if anything columbia prides itself in being highly heterogeneous. Gender wise we arealso balanced both in terms of student body but also institutionally (4 of 7 of the major clinical rotationyear directors are female for example). So, yes, there is a boys club at columbia (our graduate league rugby team), but we 70+ other clubs that run the gamut of interests and personalities. Im typing from my pphone but im more than happy to go in depth on this question later tonight as well as your others.

Average step 1 was 238 last year, but that was the last often the old curriculum.
 
3) I heard P&S students get more procedural experience than at other schools. Is this true, and is this important?

Well, it is hard to truly say, but that's the general opinion of the residents and attendings. I think part of it has to do with the subspecialty rotations. Since you aren't being graded and it is solely meant for interest, there's a lot of opportunity to learn how do do the nitty gritty stuff like intubate, place IVs, suture, etc, etc. The high volume of stuff also means that the interns become experienced quickly in things like amniocentesis and LP, which means they are more likely to let you have some of the cases.

4) Given the patient population, how important is having Spanish skills? How many patients are Mandarin- or Cantonese-speaking?

Spanish is nice but not required. I'm the only one at my rotation site currently with any real level of fluency. There is a growing asian population around the CUMC, but it is a minority. Other hospital affiliates have more/less.

5) What is the extent of involvement that P&S students have with NYP-Cornell? (e.g. is it a hassle to get involved with research or electives with non-Columbia faculty affiliated with NYP) A related question is, what benefits come out of NYP being technically one system that has both Columbia and Cornell?

It is definitely not a hassle to set up things with cornell. There are several mutual advantages. First, a number of the residencies are combined (5 last time I checked. ER and Optho are two of them I believe), and many more have some time at both even though there are separate programs (neuro, for example). What is nice about this is if you want to stay in the city for residency. More spots to apply into and a lot of cross talk between program directors. The level of cross talk makes it very easy to do electives/research at the other center. Plenty of students were down at MSK last summer, for example. Clinically, it just opens up potential for an even more diverse patient population.

6) Similar to (5), do P&S students get involved at HSS at all?

Yes, but I'm unaware of specific programs beyond the cross talk that I described above. The enormous quantity of ortho hopefuls ensures that our program is experienced in setting up stuff at HSS. Of note, the ortho program here invests heavily in year off related research programs for our students. The doris duke program, for example, has more students situated at Columbia than any of the 12 other schools. Lots of students choose to take advantage of these programs in order to better prepare for an academic residency program.

7) What is the average Step 1 score?

238. My class (the first of the new curriculum) has yet to take it yet, but what is more important is the new curriculum leaves open up to 10 weeks to study exclusively for the step 1 (technically 2-4 weeks is for vacation, but that's up to you).
 
Secondary submitted sept 20
Complete oct 10
Interview invite nov 11

😳😳
 
Does P&S give merit scholarships?

Yes, but a number of them are super specific (certain background, certain interests, etc). You fill out a big list about yourself and stuff and they send you a packet with any you qualify for.
 
6) Similar to (5), do P&S students get involved at HSS at all?

Yes, but I'm unaware of specific programs beyond the cross talk that I described above. The enormous quantity of ortho hopefuls ensures that our program is experienced in setting up stuff at HSS. Of note, the ortho program here invests heavily in year off related research programs for our students. The doris duke program, for example, has more students situated at Columbia than any of the 12 other schools. Lots of students choose to take advantage of these programs in order to better prepare for an academic residency program.

If you participate in the Doris Duke Fellowship, would it be possible to obtain an MPH at the same time? Or would that be overloading yourself?
 
If you participate in the Doris Duke Fellowship, would it be possible to obtain an MPH at the same time? Or would that be overloading yourself?

Well, you could do both and take two years off, but I think that the standard doris duke program's curricular requirements would make it impossible to get the MPH at the same time because of schedule conflicts. You also have a work requirement in the lab that would hinder getting an MPH at the same time too, since doing an MPH in one year takes up a lot of hours in the day.
 
Well, you could do both and take two years off, but I think that the standard doris duke program's curricular requirements would make it impossible to get the MPH at the same time because of schedule conflicts. You also have a work requirement in the lab that would hinder getting an MPH at the same time too, since doing an MPH in one year takes up a lot of hours in the day.
Ah okay thanks. I figured there wouldn't be enough hours in the day to do all of that. Two years off seems excessive, so I guess I will have to determine what field I want to enter first before planning my year off. 🙂
 
I just got an interview invite here... um, I was complete in July.
 
Ah okay thanks. I figured there wouldn't be enough hours in the day to do all of that. Two years off seems excessive, so I guess I will have to determine what field I want to enter first before planning my year off. 🙂

If it makes any difference, many fellowship programs offer combined MPH training as well. Some people feel that a MPH at that point is more valuable, as you are more knowledgeable about your field.
 
This is kind of a long shot, but is anyone else interviewing in Cooperstown on Dec. 7th? I'm coming from the Midwest, so it would be nice to split the cost of a rental car with someone else coming from out of state.
 
does columbia sent out rejections mid season or do they hold all apps until the end
 
does columbia sent out rejections mid season or do they hold all apps until the end



Last year they held apps until the end of interviews, then sent rejections. In the past they had always held until the end, so things may be different.

Columbia encourages updates all through the season!
 
silly question- but do you think a 30 mcat, 3.83 gpa is good enough? What do you think columbia looks at the most, clinical experience, research, or outreach?

Have you already applied?

Columbia looks at all ec's and likes diversity as well as intensity of what you are involved in.
 
Last year they held apps until the end of interviews, then sent rejections. In the past they had always held until the end, so things may be different.

Columbia encourages updates all through the season!

You mean pre-interview updates too?
 
Hi all-
This is my first (and quite possibly last) post, but I was hoping to coordinate with someone coming from the Boston/Cambridge area to Cooperstown for the January 4th interview date. I get back into Boston around noon on the 3rd, so ideally would head out that way early afternoon. Thanks in advance, and good luck to all those waiting for news.
 
Hi all-
This is my first (and quite possibly last) post, but I was hoping to coordinate with someone coming from the Boston/Cambridge area to Cooperstown for the January 4th interview date. I get back into Boston around noon on the 3rd, so ideally would head out that way early afternoon. Thanks in advance, and good luck to all those waiting for news.

I won't be of any carpooling help to you since I already interviewed, but for you and anyone else driving from Boston, I'd like to offer the following advice: START DRIVING REALLY EARLY. I'd say 1pm at the latest. The drive from Boston takes a good 4 hours, and the roads up by Cooperstown are not fun to drive on at night. Some of the roads go through low-lying areas that were filled with fog when I drove up, and headlights+fog=blind driving. Especially with the chance of snow in January, I would advise you leave as early in the day as possible.
 
Some recently published fun facts about P&S:


  • Research funding from the National Institutes of Health increased 6.1%, at a time when the NIH budget overall went down 0.8%.
  • The percentage of accepted students choosing to attend P&S reached its highest level in 30 years.
  • Every student graduating in 2011 matched to an internship.
  • The school had its most successful fundraising year in history, raising more than $200 million in new commitments.
 
The percentage of accepted students choosing to attend P&S reached its highest level in 30 years.

What is it?

Most recent USNWR data say it's 53%, only behind Harvard (70%), Penn (64%), Mayo (59%), and Hopkins (54%).
 
I won't be of any carpooling help to you since I already interviewed, but for you and anyone else driving from Boston, I'd like to offer the following advice: START DRIVING REALLY EARLY. I'd say 1pm at the latest. The drive from Boston takes a good 4 hours, and the roads up by Cooperstown are not fun to drive on at night. Some of the roads go through low-lying areas that were filled with fog when I drove up, and headlights+fog=blind driving. Especially with the chance of snow in January, I would advise you leave as early in the day as possible.

Thanks for the heads up 👍, will leave early and hope for good weather!
 
What is it?

Most recent USNWR data say it's 53%, only behind Harvard (70%), Penn (64%), Mayo (59%), and Hopkins (54%).

The admissions Dean informally quoted it as about 60% but it definitely has hovered around 53% in the past.
 
I was complete 9/23....still haven't heard anything....
+1. I was complete 9/19 and still haven't heard anything. Hearing from Techmed07 and Virelangue is reassuring though. Maybe there is still hope after all...
 
+1. I was complete 9/19 and still haven't heard anything. Hearing from Techmed07 and Virelangue is reassuring though. Maybe there is still hope after all...

Who knows, Some people who were complete in August are just hearing about II now. I like Columbia and would love to get an invite but I guess I can't complain since I already have one acceptance. Good luck!

:luck::xf:
 
Can anyone give me the quick facts on how many people get accepted after they interview. I only have the number of people that matriculate after they interview.
 
Can anyone give me the quick facts on how many people get accepted after they interview. I only have the number of people that matriculate after they interview.

25% of interviewees are ultimately accepted (USNews)
 
Is it possible to get from Columbia to a NYC airport in an hour?
 
Is it possible to get from Columbia to a NYC airport in an hour?

i think la guardia is the closest one. no way in an hour using public transportations. taking a taxi, possible if not rush hour. I dont live in nyc so someone confirm this
 
Yes, la guardia would be your best bet, but that's cutting it close. I would request the earliest interview possible if it is a problem.

agree with mmmcdowe. now that i think about it, i had an afternoon interview originally, and i emailed and changed to a morning one. got done after the tours really early.
 
Does anyone know when the last interview are conducted? Is it too late to hope for an interview here?
 
Has anyone (besides MSTP applicants) that was complete on or after 10/3 gotten an interview invite?
 
Has anyone (besides MSTP applicants) that was complete on or after 10/3 gotten an interview invite?

I was complete on 10/12 and have not heard anything yet. Hoping for an interview but not optimistic right now.
 
I was complete on 10/12 and have not heard anything yet. Hoping for an interview but not optimistic right now.

Judging from your mdapps, it looks like you most likely will. I just want 1 out of state interview.
 
Just finished clinical rotations, let me know if you all have any questions. I'll be busy studying for the step 1 after vacation, so I'll be happy to have a distraction.

Thats a very nice offer, if only your school had shown the slightest bit of interest in me I would love the chance to ask you questions. Darn.
 
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