2011-2012 University of Colorado Application Thread

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Hard to say, you're between the 10th and 50th%ile for accepted students MCAT scores there (slightly closer to 10th) and between the 10th and 50th%ile for GPA (much closer to 10th than 50th). The average IS applicant has about a 20% chance of making it in to the school (~50% interviewed and ~40% accepted out of those). Based on only numbers I might be inclined to say that you may be fighting an uphill battle (pun intended). That combined with the fact that you submitted your secondary in December and they first started accepting secondaries in early August solidifies my opinion. That said, your numbers are within range for accepted students at CU, it's just that having both of them lower than the average accepted student could be a problem. None of us can see your application, all your experiences or your personal essay, but numbers are still pretty big in this game...at least for opening doors.

Best of luck...I hope that my initial gut feeling is incorrect.


Thank you for the in-depth prediction! I really hope that my experience, essays and LORs will help push me into the interview category but like you said, my scores are lower and I went to a state school outside of Colorado. I actually submitted my secondary in mid-November I am realizing (there were so many, I've lost track), if that helps at all.
 
There has also been a huge increase in the number of applications to CU this year, and I've heard that the admissions committee is a little overwhelmed and behind where they would like to be in terms of reviewing applications, so who knows what applications have been reviewed so far.
 
You know...now that I think about it...this whole thing is an uphill battle! Keep improving your application while you wait. Either you'll have a stronger application for this year/next year or you'll become a better person as a result. Win/win.
 
Thank you for the in-depth prediction! I really hope that my experience, essays and LORs will help push me into the interview category but like you said, my scores are lower and I went to a state school outside of Colorado. I actually submitted my secondary in mid-November I am realizing (there were so many, I've lost track), if that helps at all.

One thing that will help you is that CU accepts many more people late in the application season than most schools, with most acceptances coming at the end of March so getting the secondary in late isn't as much of an issue. Also, I've generally gotten the feeling that CU doesn't put a ton of weight on numbers. They have said they mainly want to see that you have demonstrated you can handle medical school courses and pass your boards. They always seems to emphasize life experiences and fit for who they want, so demonstrating these qualities can overcome lower scores. Being IS helps a lot too as each class is generally about 70% IS and there are fewer IS applicants. Good luck!
 
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/05/smallbusiness/doctors_broke/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Interesting article on CNN today. I would consider many of my medical experiences to be sheltered from these issues, considering I grew up in the military. However, I have spent a significant amount of time in the private medical sector here in Colorado and have not been exposed to many of the issues brought up in the article.

I am curious to see what other SDN'ers experiences are, particularly in CO. Do you think we are somewhat shielded from some of the negative financial aspects here in CO or is this just my perception?

It is difficult to have a fully informed opinion when such little detail is provided about each situation presented in the article. However, I believe that the business side of medicine will always and should always contain certain elements of risk. Just because you are selling healing does not mean that your business modeling should be any less flexible or defensive than the guy next door selling apples. The underlying principle of business is preparing a model that will float, and then changing the model when conditions change. With creativity a model to thrive can be defined for any business climate. Medicine should not be immune to standard business principles, and there will always be risks and rewards inherent to private practice that are not present in institutionalized medicine.


What do you think?
 
http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/05/smallbusiness/doctors_broke/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Interesting article on CNN today. I would consider many of my medical experiences to be sheltered from these issues, considering I grew up in the military. However, I have spent a significant amount of time in the private medical sector here in Colorado and have not been exposed to many of the issues brought up in the article.

I am curious to see what other SDN'ers experiences are, particularly in CO. Do you think we are somewhat shielded from some of the negative financial aspects here in CO or is this just my perception?

It is difficult to have a fully informed opinion when such little detail is provided about each situation presented in the article. However, I believe that the business side of medicine will always and should always contain certain elements of risk. Just because you are selling healing does not mean that your business modeling should be any less flexible or defensive than the guy next door selling apples. The underlying principle of business is preparing a model that will float, and then changing the model when conditions change. With creativity a model to thrive can be defined for any business climate. Medicine should not be immune to standard business principles, and there will always be risks and rewards inherent to private practice that are not present in institutionalized medicine.


What do you think?

Airman,

I might be able to answer a couple of your questions. Having worked in a private practice (specialty kept anonymous) for 2 years, I can tell you that the problem in the article is VERY real, even here in CO. I watch the practice barely stay out of "the red" on a daily basis.

One of the big questions is, "what is causing the problem?" I only skimmed the CNN article, so I'm not sure what was said, but there are a number of causes that I see. First is reimbursement. If your practice has a large portion of medicare patients (say 25% or more), the poor reimbursements WILL affect the practice. Also, the cost of supplies can be very expensive, not to mention rent. If you are in a nice building, the cost of rent can really impact the budget.

The business model you mentioned is very simple on paper -- make more than you spend on employees, supplies, rent, malpractice insurance, etc. And, there is SOME flexibility, but no matter what change you make to keep the business afloat, it WILL affect your patients. For example, you could cut costs on equipment, but then you face the problem of being out of stock or having a crummy piece of equipment that a patient really needs. You could cut down your number of employees, but then your patients will not receive call backs and care in an appropriate amount of time. You could move into a marginal building and face the problem of not having enough or inappropriate space. You could see 40 patients a day instead of 25, but then you won't have time for adequate patient care or documentation. THE WORST OF ALL IS, well, Medicare reimbursements are sub par, so cut the amount of Medicare patients you see (or don't see them at all). Then, you are withholding care from the fastest growing category of patients in the U.S. This group of people will include many of our parents in the next few years.

More and more private practices are being forced to sell out to big physician networks and hospitals. But then you have a boss and a boss' boss, which is the whole reason you went into private practice in the first place -- so you could be your own boss.

Ultimately, it's a big problem and I don't see it getting any better. I HOPE for all our sake that it does get better. I hope this didn't come off too pessimistic, but it's just what I've observed for the past couple of years.
 
Thanks for the great response! That's a good word. I always like getting as many takes as I can on our current situation. I share your pessimism about the current state of the profession, but those very challenges are part of what has attracted to me to this career change. We are on an absolutely unsustainable course, and by the time we are starting our residencies I believe that the current medical landscape will be drastically different. I think it is fair to say that we will be pioneers for a new era of medicine, for better or for worse. I have watched my father practice for the past 25 years, and the profession is definitely due for an upswing. Even if I am wrong, in my opinion it still absolutely worth it, and I hope everybody else who has made it this far feels the same way, because at the end of the day we are all going to be in it together.

I have been a private consultant and small business owner for five years. I had always thought that I would enjoy business, but my years spent working have been valuable as I have realized that I do not enjoy the business side of my work and prefer to let someone else handle the marketing/sales/billing/insurance side (I am sure that I am not alone). I am looking forward to early-career medicine when I can go back to being a worker bee making honey for the man. J
 
anyone know when the next batch of acceptances is released?
 
anyone know when the next batch of acceptances is released?

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about it, as Dimple has said some 80-85% of the offers won't even be made until March. That said, it seems to occur about once a month or so....
 
Does the school welcome application updates? I would imagine.... I've sent in two :3
 
Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about it, as Dimple has said some 80-85% of the offers won't even be made until March. That said, it seems to occur about once a month or so....

Definitely getting antsy but trying to be as patient at possible. Has anyone received a recent interview invite? I'm hoping there will still be more invites for interviews, I know interviews go into March but they've had my application since August so I guess that's kind of disconcerning. Any idea how much longer they'll do invites?
 
Last year they did interviews until mid February. I would imagine they will still be sending invites until early Feb.

The good news is they've only accepted about 15% of the class so far (5% each in October, November, December).
 
Does the school welcome application updates? I would imagine.... I've sent in two :3

No... pre interview absolutely not. Post interview, not officially but Dr. Winn has said very significant accomplishments may merit an update. Sending in 2 is excessive for any school IMO. I would give them some space. You don't want to annoy the admissions office.
 
Last year they did interviews until mid February. I would imagine they will still be sending invites until early Feb.

The good news is they've only accepted about 15% of the class so far (5% each in October, November, December).


Thanks LingoLaine! And congrats on your acceptance!!
 
Hi all
Finally got an II today! Kind of surprised as I'm OOS and had pretty well figured I was in the silent rejection crowd.
I'll be there 1/20. Anyone else gonna be there?

Also, anyone stay with a current student? I haven't seen many comments on it. . .
 
Hi all
Finally got an II today! Kind of surprised as I'm OOS and had pretty well figured I was in the silent rejection crowd.
I'll be there 1/20. Anyone else gonna be there?

Also, anyone stay with a current student? I haven't seen many comments on it. . .

When were you complete?
 
Hello. Long time follower, first time poster. I just wanted to add my two cents... I am a current IS applicant. No interview invite yet but I am still hopeful! I work for Memorial Health System and have been employed throughout the ownership debate. We have seen many changes in the past year - mostly to do with resource re-allocation and budget trimming. The leadership team of the health system has been very candid about all aspects of the situation to employees. Initially, overwhelming support (from those employed by MHS anyway) was for Memorial to become a Non Profit (modeled after the very successful Poudre Valley). Currently, support is divided. Many still believe that a Non Profit hospital system would be best for the local community. Memorial commits to serving all people of the community - even those without the means to pay. However, few can deny the great potential that could come from extending CU to Colorado Springs. There is certainly a need for an academic center (namely an additional medical school) in Colorado Springs. Also, although MHS is already a research affiliate (oncology), the potential to more closely link the research departments at MHS with those of CU is highly significant. This week was an important milestone. If nothing else, the process has been a true opportunity to observe the macro decision making when it comes to a large health system.

Congrats to those accepted and good luck to everyone waiting!
 
I am also IS and received an interview invite this week (1/20). I am very excited, interviewed last year and was wait listed. Hang in there if you haven't heard anything yet. Interviews continue until February.
 
Hello. Long time follower, first time poster. I just wanted to add my two cents... I am a current IS applicant. No interview invite yet but I am still hopeful! I work for Memorial Health System and have been employed throughout the ownership debate. We have seen many changes in the past year - mostly to do with resource re-allocation and budget trimming. The leadership team of the health system has been very candid about all aspects of the situation to employees. Initially, overwhelming support (from those employed by MHS anyway) was for Memorial to become a Non Profit (modeled after the very successful Poudre Valley). Currently, support is divided. Many still believe that a Non Profit hospital system would be best for the local community. Memorial commits to serving all people of the community - even those without the means to pay. However, few can deny the great potential that could come from extending CU to Colorado Springs. There is certainly a need for an academic center (namely an additional medical school) in Colorado Springs. Also, although MHS is already a research affiliate (oncology), the potential to more closely link the research departments at MHS with those of CU is highly significant. This week was an important milestone. If nothing else, the process has been a true opportunity to observe the macro decision making when it comes to a large health system.

Congrats to those accepted and good luck to everyone waiting!


I think a major concern with MHS becoming an independent nonprofit would be its administration. As an employee there, I would expect you are aware of the administrative issues there. Besides the administrators who would likely lose their jobs in the merger where have you seen support of an independent option over CU? My experience has been that the clinical staff seem highly supportive of the CU option.
 
I am also IS and received an interview invite this week (1/20). I am very excited, interviewed last year and was wait listed. Hang in there if you haven't heard anything yet. Interviews continue until February.

Probably means interviews are about exhausted, no?
 
MSTP applicant here, rejected by MSTP a while ago but just got MD invite for 1/20. Will have to decline though. Best of luck to whoever gets the spot.
 
Very supportive of the merger. Was trying to keep my personal opinion vague. I am part of the clinical staff. There are still residual feelings from some clinical staff that would like to see MHS build a great community nonprofit institution. Besides the two hospitals, MHS has built itself across the entire city. I think there are problems (as there are with any major health institution) that will need to be worked on. Hopefully few people will lose their jobs. However, I think everyone supports the most recent vote, especially now with the Poudre Valley merger. It's an exciting time. Hopefully it will go to ballot before November. Thanks.
 
Oooh Salem, this looks like exactly what I need, thanks so much!

(And puh-lease -- you're embarrassing me!)
 
Hey all just a heads up, I interviewed this weekend and the admissions staff mentioned the last day of interviews will be February 3rd and the next date we would probably hear back on acceptances, would be another 3 weeks away. Good luck!
 
Hey all just a heads up, I interviewed this weekend and the admissions staff mentioned the last day of interviews will be February 3rd and the next date we would probably hear back on acceptances, would be another 3 weeks away. Good luck!

Thanks for the info!

Hope your interview went well.
 
Hey all just a heads up, I interviewed this weekend and the admissions staff mentioned the last day of interviews will be February 3rd and the next date we would probably hear back on acceptances, would be another 3 weeks away. Good luck!

Well, guess I'll dial this one in as a rejection. Thanks for the info
 
Hey all just a heads up, I interviewed this weekend and the admissions staff mentioned the last day of interviews will be February 3rd and the next date we would probably hear back on acceptances, would be another 3 weeks away. Good luck!

So, I'm guessing that the time from February 3 to March 31 is saved for the committee to decide on the remaining 70-80% of acceptances???
 
So, this means that they are not extending any more new interview invites this year? Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks.
 
So, I'm guessing that the time from February 3 to March 31 is saved for the committee to decide on the remaining 70-80% of acceptances???

Do those 70-80% hear at the end of March? Oh my gosh, I was hoping it was early March. Does anyone know about when in March the majority of acceptances are released?
 
Do those 70-80% hear at the end of March? Oh my gosh, I was hoping it was early March. Does anyone know about when in March the majority of acceptances are released?

I *believe* the big release date is March 31. I could be wrong...

The 70-80% is my ballpark guess based on what other SDNers have said.
 
Here's a recap of the timeline from LAST YEAR's thread:


- the last interview invites went out Feb. 8th for interviews on fairly short notice (only 10 days lead time)
- mass rejection emails were sent out on Feb. 17th to those people (including me) not invited to interview
- the last interview date was Feb. 18th
- mass acceptance, waitlist, and rejection emails were sent out Mar. 9th. I believe everyone knew their status by this date.
- mass acceptances off the waitlist were sent out May 24th
- acceptances off the waitlist trickled out slowly after that, through June and later
 
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Here's a recap of the timeline from LAST YEAR's thread:


- the last interview invites went out Feb. 8th for interviews on fairly short notice (only 10 days lead time)
- mass rejection emails were sent out on Feb. 17th to those people (including me) not invited to interview
- the last interview date was Feb. 18th
- mass acceptance, waitlist, and rejection emails were sent out Mar. 9th. I believe everyone knew their status by this date.
- mass acceptances off the waitlist were sent out May 24th
- acceptances off the waitlist trickled out slowly after that, through June and later

Thank you LingoLaine! This helps a lot. And I'm late with this, but congrats on your acceptance!
 
Here's a recap of the timeline from LAST YEAR's thread:


- the last interview invites went out Feb. 8th for interviews on fairly short notice (only 10 days lead time)
- mass rejection emails were sent out on Feb. 17th to those people (including me) not invited to interview
- the last interview date was Feb. 18th
- mass acceptance, waitlist, and rejection emails were sent out Mar. 9th. I believe everyone knew their status by this date.
- mass acceptances off the waitlist were sent out May 24th
- acceptances off the waitlist trickled out slowly after that, through June and later

Thank you! I'd love it if we all knew our statuses by early March as opposed to the end of March! :xf:
 
Thank you! I'd love it if we all knew our statuses by early March as opposed to the end of March! :xf:

To quote Tom Petty, I still think the waiting is the hardest part of the entire application process. Last year starting around this time it was definitely an exercise in willpower to not check my email ten times a day (smart phones just make it so accessible). I was told that there was an increase in the number of applications this year, especially in later submissions, but it seems like the admissions office empathizes with all the applicants waiting and that they want to let everyone know as soon as they can. Hang in there everybody!
 
lingolaine, thank you so much for the summary! i sincerely hope we hear by early march, too!
 
I haven't been following this thread closely, so I was hoping someone could confirm that most of their acceptances have yet to go out, and if I interview on 2/6 there will still be seats available.
 
That is correct. CU sends out most of their acceptances in March.
 
I haven't been following this thread closely, so I was hoping someone could confirm that most of their acceptances have yet to go out, and if I interview on 2/6 there will still be seats available.

You are interviewing on 2/6? They gave me a choice of either 1/27 or 2/3 and I have other interviews on those days so I could not make it. I asked if 2/3 was the last interview date they had and she said yes, now I feel lied to. Oh well, not much I can do now, I already withdrew my application.
 
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