2011-2012 Wayne State Application Thread

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Question I (All applicants must answer this question)


Describe the person or experience that greatly influenced your developing into the person you are today. Be specific in your explanation of the individual’s/experience’s impact on you.



Question II (Choose one of the questions to answer)


A. You have completed medical school and residency training and are ready to begin your clinical practice. What challenges, problematic issues and “downsides” would you anticipate having to consider and resolve as you establish goals for your practice that are congruent with your personal values and self image?

B. It is certain that in the next ten years there will be radical changes in the health care delivery system as we know it today. How do you perceive yourself functioning in this evolving health care environment?


Question III (only reapplicants must answer this question)

What academic, employment, volunteer experiences have you been engaged in since your last application to medical school? How does your current application differ from your previous application?

Question IV (only applicants with an institutional action must answer this question)


Fully describe the circumstances that resulted in the disciplinary institutional action citation noted on your AMCAS application. What “lasting” lessons have you learned from the experience?

Question V (MD/MPH applicants must answer this question)

Please explain your specific interest in Public Health. Include any relevant experiences and/or education.
 
Bl4ckout said:
Question I (All applicants must answer this question)


Describe the person or experience that greatly influenced your developing into the person you are today. Be specific in your explanation of the individual’s/experience’s impact on you.



Question II (Choose one of the questions to answer)


A. You have completed medical school and residency training and are ready to begin your clinical practice. What challenges, problematic issues and “downsides” would you anticipate having to consider and resolve as you establish goals for your practice that are congruent with your personal values and self image?

B. It is certain that in the next ten years there will be radical changes in the health care delivery system as we know it today. How do you perceive yourself functioning in this evolving health care environment?


Question III (only reapplicants must answer this question)

What academic, employment, volunteer experiences have you been engaged in since your last application to medical school? How does your current application differ from your previous application?

Question IV (only applicants with an institutional action must answer this question)


Fully describe the circumstances that resulted in the disciplinary institutional action citation noted on your AMCAS application. What “lasting” lessons have you learned from the experience?

Question V (MD/MPH applicants must answer this question)

Please explain your specific interest in Public Health. Include any relevant experiences and/or education.
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What the heck does Question IIa even mean? Guess I'm going with b 😎
 
NVM secondary received.
 
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OOS applicant, hasn't received a secondary. I think they're pretty selective in sending out secondaries and those who receive them are highly likely to be given an interview.
 
We have to mail it in...

I got the secondary, but man this one leaves me baffled at what to write.

That being said:

Wayne is one of the more holistic schools as far as applicants go. I don't know exactly what they specify, but Detroit is definitely an impoverished area and I would assume (pure assumption) that a dedication to the underserved and a service mindset in general are probably components that the school may find appealing in an application. And many view Wayne State as a safety school, but the reality is it's not and some rejections are surprising. Only 3 Oakland University students matriculated last year and I only know of one who chose a higher ranked school. From those 3 matriculates I am guessing about 20-30 OU students applied. I personally know of a dozen who applied and out of those 3 got waitlisted, one withdrew before interview, and the rest rejected and none that I know of matriculated. At the same time, this bodes extremely well for those of us whose statistics may not be stellar, but with awesome overall applications. Also, the hospitals Wayne associates with are all amazing hospitals. DMC, Henry Ford, and Oakwood hospital systems are all places that I frequent often and the doctors at these facilities are top notch and most of them are Wayne State alumni.
 
Just to add for anyone who did not yet receive the secondary but would like to start writing:

"[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]The Committee would like you to select and respond to each question.[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]..[FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif] Each response should be between 250-500 words (1500 to 3000 characters)." .
 
And the fee is $50. That's pretty much all the info on the secondary.
 
PeterPesto said:
OOS applicant, hasn't received a secondary. I think they're pretty selective in sending out secondaries and those who receive them are highly likely to be given an interview.
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hmm, anyone know what %age of OOS applicants receive the secondary?
 
Does anyone have concrete numbers on the % of people who submit verified primaries to wayne that get secondaries?

Their website says...

In-State Out-of-State Total
Number of Applicants: 1,391 2,379 3,770
Applicants Interviewed: 591 367 958
Number of Matriculants*: 226 64 290

BUT I am curious is the applicant number is all people who had applied to the people that gave them a completed secondary. Does anyone know?
 
indonacious said:
Does anyone have concrete numbers on the % of people who submit verified primaries to wayne that get secondaries?

Their website says...

In-State Out-of-State Total
Number of Applicants: 1,391 2,379 3,770
Applicants Interviewed: 591 367 958
Number of Matriculants*: 226 64 290

BUT I am curious is the applicant number is all people who had applied to the people that gave them a completed secondary. Does anyone know?
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yeah, i saw these stats as well. i think # of applicants != # of secondary invitations.

EDIT: != meaning does not equal. i got a clarification q about that in my inbox.
 
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So being IS and having received a secondary gives me a 1/5 chance of matriculating?? I mean it seems about right I guess.
 
PeterPesto said:
OOS applicant, hasn't received a secondary. I think they're pretty selective in sending out secondaries and those who receive them are highly likely to be given an interview.
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Although they don't accept an overwhelming number of OOS interviewees, according to US News data. It's pretty on-par with a lot of schools.
 
Donnie1310 said:
Although they don't accept an overwhelming number of OOS interviewees, according to US News data. It's pretty on-par with a lot of schools.
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hmm, mind posting those stats? if you're worried about copyright, simply multiply the numbers by two or something and let us know the multiplier.
 
latrala2300 said:
hmm, mind posting those stats? if you're worried about copyright, simply multiply the numbers by two or something and let us know the multiplier.
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It's in the mid 40's for percentage. It probably varies a little year to year and as the season progresses.

That data (which isn't in MSAR) is totally worth the $20 by the way, if only for interest sake. I was amazed to see some of my schools accept >70% of interviewees, while others <25%.
 
Donnie1310 said:
It's in the mid 40's for percentage. It probably varies a little year to year and as the season progresses.

That data (which isn't in MSAR) is totally worth the $20 by the way, if only for interest sake. I was amazed to see some of my schools accept >70% of interviewees, while others <25%.
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So that data is from US News? Can you purchase it online and view it online?
 
Donnie1310 said:
It's in the mid 40's for percentage. It probably varies a little year to year and as the season progresses.

That data (which isn't in MSAR) is totally worth the $20 by the way, if only for interest sake. I was amazed to see some of my schools accept >70% of interviewees, while others <25%.
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Yeah the $20 isn't an issue, but I'm pretty neurotic when it comes to data mining and would probably lose my mind calculating things out. So I probably won't purchase it 😎
 
indonacious said:
Does anyone have concrete numbers on the % of people who submit verified primaries to wayne that get secondaries?

Their website says...

In-State Out-of-State Total
Number of Applicants: 1,391 2,379 3,770
Applicants Interviewed: 591 367 958
Number of Matriculants*: 226 64 290

BUT I am curious is the applicant number is all people who had applied to the people that gave them a completed secondary. Does anyone know?
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Not all those who submit primaries get secondaries. Thus, it makes sense to assume that out of the in-state pool of 1391, only 900 get secondaries. Then they interview approximately 600.

Note: These are rough rough estimates. But based on the fact that not everyone gets a secondary, it is logical.
 
theseeker4 said:
Got my secondary last night but didn't check my e-mail until this morning. Glad that it finally came, though these are quite annoying questions.
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Still haven't gotten it.

And I'm glad that they are different types of questions. It's refreshing, compared to the same boring stuff over and over again.
 
CodeBlu said:
Still haven't gotten it.

And I'm glad that they are different types of questions. It's refreshing, compared to the same boring stuff over and over again.
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What do you guys think about rewriting secondaries? I applied last year, and was interviewed, but didn't get in. My interviewer told me that my essays were well thought out and eloquent though, so I'm hesitant to change them. Obviously, I'd change the "what have you been doing since grad" one, but the other two? Any thoughts?

Also, I rewrote my PS completely if that makes any difference.
 
CodeBlu said:
Still haven't gotten it.

And I'm glad that they are different types of questions. It's refreshing, compared to the same boring stuff over and over again.
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Code, did you get an email saying that they received your primary?
 
hpdoc2 said:
What do you guys think about rewriting secondaries? I applied last year, and was interviewed, but didn't get in. My interviewer told me that my essays were well thought out and eloquent though, so I'm hesitant to change them. Obviously, I'd change the "what have you been doing since grad" one, but the other two? Any thoughts?

Also, I rewrote my PS completely if that makes any difference.
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I'm pretty much questioning the same thing hpdoc, I think you writing your PS over again is huge so if you keep your secondaries minus the re-applicant essay the same I think you should be fine.
 
Finished drafting my essay in response to the first prompt. How is everyone approaching question II B? I would imagine it should be answered from a "how can I adapt to change" point of view rather than trying to actually predict how the yet-undetermined changes to health care will effect our clinical practice (given none of us have any experience as doctors.) Anyone get a different take on what they are looking for?
 
theseeker4 said:
Finished drafting my essay in response to the first prompt. How is everyone approaching question II B? I would imagine it should be answered from a "how can I adapt to change" point of view rather than trying to actually predict how the yet-undetermined changes to health care will effect our clinical practice (given none of us have any experience as doctors.) Anyone get a different take on what they are looking for?
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Make the essay your own. Define your intent and formulate a thesis.

There is no prescribed thing they are looking for. Just be you!
 
I'm going with question II A because everyone is going to be doing B since it's easier. Just a thing to think about. My challenges in practicing as a physician will be relating to my patients because I've never had any medical problems because I can actually take care of my body and I'm a well oiled machine... etc.
 
hpdoc2 said:
What do you guys think about rewriting secondaries? I applied last year, and was interviewed, but didn't get in. My interviewer told me that my essays were well thought out and eloquent though, so I'm hesitant to change them. Obviously, I'd change the "what have you been doing since grad" one, but the other two? Any thoughts?

Also, I rewrote my PS completely if that makes any difference.
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If you have talked to adcoms after being an unsuccessful applicant the previous cycle and none of them have cited your essays as being an issue, then you should not drastically change them. I would still look everything over and look at the grammar/structure, but not drastically change the content.
Chemdude said:
hmmmm...I'm getting nervous. I have been complete since early July and have still yet to receive a confirmation email.
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Wayne is not known for being prompt. Plus, just because you sent it at a certain time does not mean that it will be processed/marked complete in a predictable time frame. Just relax and focus on other things you have control over. :laugh:
oaklandguy said:
I'm going with question II A because everyone is going to be doing B since it's easier. Just a thing to think about. My challenges in practicing as a physician will be relating to my patients because I've never had any medical problems because I can actually take care of my body and I'm a well oiled machine... etc.
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I hope you don't write that on the actual essay.
 
For question II A, is it just me or does it sound like they are suggesting we would be in private practice? "Ready to begin your clinical practice... establish goals for you practice...". So are we supposed to write the essay from that viewpoint? What if we are really committed to working in academic medicine? I could see the answers to this question being drastically different based on these situations. And if it isn't supposed to be written from the viewpoint of going into private practice, should we first explain the kind of medicine we want to practice along with our goals BEFORE going into any problems that could arise? Just seems like the wording could be a little more explicit. Thoughts?
 
SUHperbowl said:
For question II A, is it just me or does it sound like they are suggesting we would be in private practice? "Ready to begin your clinical practice... establish goals for you practice...". So are we supposed to write the essay from that viewpoint? What if we are really committed to working in academic medicine? I could see the answers to this question being drastically different based on these situations. And if it isn't supposed to be written from the viewpoint of going into private practice, should we first explain the kind of medicine we want to practice along with our goals BEFORE going into any problems that could arise? Just seems like the wording could be a little more explicit. Thoughts?
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I would look at it from the point of view of what challenges you foresee. It says clinical practice, so assuming you are not planning on eschewing the actual practice of medicine entirely, you will have a practice, whether in a private office, hospital or academic setting. What challenges do you think you will face in establishing your academic practice?
 
Just got an email saying that they've received my AMCAS. Will review for a secondary invitation. Do you guys know whether their screen is hard or soft? And how long did it take you before receiving secondaries after the AMCAS verification?
 
Schizotypy said:
I received the email that my AMCAS was received and that I was being screened for a secondary on 7/8. Nothing since then.
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Yep, same here. It's definitely not panic time, though. I think we'll get it next week.
 
SteveJMarist said:
Yep, same here. It's definitely not panic time, though. I think we'll get it next week.
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Same here. You're pretty optimistic that you'll get a secondary? I thought the screen would be a little more stringent for us OOS'ers.
 
I still haven't gotten it either and i'm instate!
 
PeterPesto said:
Same here. You're pretty optimistic that you'll get a secondary? I thought the screen would be a little more stringent for us OOS'ers.
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Yea, I'm optimistic, why not? I think we'll be OK.

CodeBlu said:
Atta boy Steve. That's the attitude.
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👍

CodeBlu said:
I'm instate too... I flipping work at the school and I still haven't gotten it.

Nothing to be concerned about though. They are slow moving.
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This is primarily why I am not panicking yet 😉.
 
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