Is Studio One a safe place to live?
2014-2015 Wayne State University Application Thread
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Everywhere is not safe in downtown Detroit as long as you be alert walk with multiples people and most of all don't hang out late at night clubs
because that is where all the troubles is lots of shooting in night club.
Don't drive downtown Detroit at night and most of all don't bring an expensive car or sport car next day all your rims and wheel will be gone.
If your car broke down and stuck on a rd or highway DO NOT walk to a next exit in downtown just call for help from someone you know.
Just have common sense and be alert and carry mace with you. Always lock your door when driving because of car jacking.
http://www.apartmentratings.com/mi/detroit/studio-one-apartments_313316082448201/
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You have absolutely no clue about what Detroit is like, what may or may not be safe, etc. I really am starting to wonder if your barely coherent postings are an elaborate troll. I'm loath to even engage you/this post, but I will because I don't want this to deter other qualified candidates. As for you, go to some other school - you obviously don't want to be here. But please stop spewing your incorrect assumptions about the school and surrounding area.
Nearly everything you said is completely wrong. I lived about 2 blocks away from studio one for about 3 years and routinely came and left at late hours including walking by myself (yes I am male, but you will regularly see women walking alone at night in the area immediately around the med school/DMC) either coming home late from um...studying or going to work at 3-4am on surgery. I never once felt unsafe and also knew that the WSU police average a 90 second response time, but often get there more quickly than that. The area is also patrolled by (armed, mostly ex-military) DMC police as well, so you essentially have 3 police forces patrolling the area: Detroit Police, WSU PD, and DMC Police. I also parked my car (gasp) on the street for all of those 3 years. It wasn't touched once. Granted it wasn't a Porsche and I was careful to not leave obvious valuables in the back seat, but I had 0 problems and never once saw any of the many other cars parked on my block touched.
I'm not sure about what "late night clubs because that is where all the troubles is [sic] lots of shooting in night club [sic]" but the bars frequented by students and young professionals have 0 problems. Hopcat, Union Street, Bronx, Motor City Brewing, Atwater, Bookie's, Rub Pub, Sugar House, Detroit City Distillery, Two James, etc etc etc. are all completely safe and you will have no problems if you go to any of them.
As for Studio One and UTowers, yes they are generally pretty s***ty apartment complexes. But I have news that might come as a major surprise to you: there are other places to live in and around Detroit. If you see an apartment complex you don't like... go find a different one before you sign a lease. There are even -gasp- apartments available in the suburbs from which you can commute if you want to bring your outdated views about crime in and around Midtown with you to school. Even though violent crime rates in Midtown are about the same as many of those suburbs.
About the only thing sensible that you said is "Just have common sense..." that is true and is true in any city. Yes, Detroit is not SF/NYC. I have no starry-eyed notions of that. There are neighborhoods that are truly blighted and dangerous (East side, parts of Northwest Detroit) - the ED thoracotomy for multiple gun shot wounds that I was a part of last night at Sinai Grace is a testament to that fact. But those areas are NOT the same as the Midtown/Downtown/Corktown corridor that now has crime rates at or below the national average, and that corridor is where you will be spending essentially all of your time in.
And finally, don't take my word for it. I'll leave you with this particularly apropos piece: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/b...eathe-life-into-a-blighted-detroit-strip.html
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Like said stay away from Detroit find a place like royal oak about 15-20min. Birmingham is a great place but its expensive.
I don't know where you get that I said anything bad about Wayne medical school . Wayne is the 2nd best medical school in Michigan and U of M is the first.
Is Detroit that people need to be aware of.
By the way "detroit is armed, mostly ex-military" LOL very safe place.
I don't know where you get that I said anything bad about Wayne medical school . Wayne is the 2nd best medical school in Michigan and U of M is the first.
Is Detroit that people need to be aware of.
By the way "detroit is armed, mostly ex-military" LOL very safe place.
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Thank you very much for the informative post - Regarding Studio One, why do you say it's a ****ty apartment complex? Just curious because I was considering living there since every mention of it on SDN seems to state that it's one of the nicest places to live. So which is true? I was drawn to Studio 1 because people say it's safe/high quality/has secured underground parking (which I'm interested in because I need to get a new car and would like to buy something nice)...
Any advice would be great. My priorities are
#1 - Safe and high quality apartment (don't want any headaches from either crime or from apartment-related issues). Also it MUST be very quiet; I absolutely can't study or sleep with lots of noise/parties/dogs yapping/doors slamming etc. A peaceful and very quiet place is a must because I'll go freakin nuts if I have to study and sleep with lots of noise lol
#2 - Least time to commute that's compatible with #1
#3 - Rent. I'm not limited by budget to be honest but value still matters.
Any suggestions?
edit: after reading Yelp reviews for Studio One, screw that place haha; it's full of noise and parties, apparently. Too many undergrads, I bet.
Also can as many current WSU med students as possible chime in here? I think a lot of people are essentially looking for what I am lol
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Studio One is a great option because of what you listed: it is safe, higher quality, close proximity to campus, and decent parking. There are a large number of students (both undergraduate and medical) there and with that comes noise and parties. It sounds like you would be best off south of campus in the Brush Park/Downtown area, where there are more professionals living and the commute times are nothing because you avoid the suburb's traffic (south of downtown is Canada-it blew my mind when I moved here). The Garden Lofts, the Ellington Lofts, and Woodward Place Condos are the closest (in the midtown/brush park area and are <5min by car, ~10-15 by bicycle). The lofts of Merchant's Row, Detroit City Apartments, Riverfront Towers are further downtown but still in the 5-15 minute commute range. Some of these places are pricey. Also, some of these don't have leasing offices (like the Ellington and Woodward Place Condos), they are rented by their owners on an individual basis. I'm happy to help if there is anything else I can do.
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Studio one is luxury apt and safe. Midtown is safer then downtown Detroit at night.
http://www.areavibes.com/detroit-mi/midtown/crime/
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Midtown-Detroit/3855/crime/
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/99999999/SPECIAL01/120606001
Wayne state new medical office building in midtown :
http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index.ssf/2014/09/wayne_state_breaks_ground_on_6.html
The Truth about Detroit :
http://www.areavibes.com/detroit-mi/midtown/crime/
http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Midtown-Detroit/3855/crime/
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/99999999/SPECIAL01/120606001
Wayne state new medical office building in midtown :
http://www.mlive.com/business/detroit/index.ssf/2014/09/wayne_state_breaks_ground_on_6.html
The Truth about Detroit :
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Anyone have updates on second look day? A current friend who is a student here said they got an email for volunteers on March 27th for second day look? But as a possible matriculant they haven't sent me anything. Thanks y'all.
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nothing on my end. also has anyone received word from wayne state on financial aid in their pipeline?
Thank you! I'll be sure to check those out when I can and come back with more questions if I have them. Appreciate the help!
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Did you seriously just change your profile picture to a crime map of the city of Detroit? I can't believe I'm about to get into a flame war over this, but you are an idiot who is completely unable to entertain the possibility that the reality on the ground might be at least slightly different than your preconceived notions about the city in general and the area around the school in particular. That type of mental inflexibility will obviously serve you well in medical school. You'll go far.
Please, forgive me. The preconceptions of a pre-med who probably set foot on campus once during their interview day are obviously vastly superior to the knowledge of an M4 who is 2 months away from graduating and has actually lived in the city for several years. I must have no clue what the f*** I'm talking about.
And, just because I feel the need to indulge your other bit of literal minded thinking, the "armed, mostly ex-military" comment in my previous post referred to the fact that the DMC police are a legitimate security force who actually can and do keep you safe and were not a bunch of rent-a-cops with badges and walkie talkies. Since you don't seem to believe anything else I have to say, feel free to test this one out by showing up to Receiving's ER drunk and belligerent. I hear their threshold for 4 point leathers is quite low.
Again, go find another medical school.
\rant. That was actually cathartic, given the stress of waiting for match day.
Also, for the others with legitimate questions:
Invitations to second look day generally go out to people who have offers to at least one other medical school besides Wayne, so if you haven't heard and don't have any other acceptances, that may be why. If you do have others, it's probably worth a call to the admissions office and asking about it - they are generally helpful about that stuff.
I said studio one was not a great apartment complex for the reasons you mentioned - it sort of becomes an undergrad frat/dorm and may not be conducive to studying.
Also check out the Park Shelton and Newberry Hall (both owned and managed by the same people). Very nice, quiet places in general but a little pricey. If you're willing to spend the money, definitely worth it for what you get.
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Doesn't matter you an M4 Real data is worth more then your words so just stop trying to think you know about Detroit. Maybe you should make a power point graph so you can understand what that map is meant. Looking for a roommate so you want to room with me to see how much of an Idiots you think I'm is.
I will stick with Wayne medical school because it is the second best school in Michigan and couldn't get in U of M medical school Wayne will fit me better because of all the killing and crimes that is done there. I can get hand on experiences with this and the more blood the better is it.
"I must have no clue what the f*** I'm talking about"
Yes you are correct you don't know what you talking about.
Anyone want the Detroit map crime rate T-shirt? I can sell you one for 15.00 just pm me.
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[QUOTE="dr.0ne, post: 16301373, member: 606775"please tell me this guy is trolling and not, in fact, joining the class of 2019?
how'd you make it past interviews?[/QUOTE]
" how'd you make it past interviews?" Duh ! the same procedure you went through.
As for you and themockjock how you both going to be doctors if you just going by people words?
Data show the truth and if you both don't like it too bad.
I guess people like you are a yes man just like to follow so some are not made to be a leader.
So you like to buy a T-shirt?
how'd you make it past interviews?[/QUOTE]
" how'd you make it past interviews?" Duh ! the same procedure you went through.
As for you and themockjock how you both going to be doctors if you just going by people words?
Data show the truth and if you both don't like it too bad.
I guess people like you are a yes man just like to follow so some are not made to be a leader.
So you like to buy a T-shirt?
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This is the last time I'm engaging with you on this or anything, but I agree. My word means nothing, stats are where it's at. Fortunately, there is a quick and easy way to check that. It's called the Clery act. It requires all colleges and universities to report crime statistics in and around the campus. This is very useful. Let's compare between the 3 major universities in the state, Michigan, MSU, and Wayne. I'll use 2013 data as it's the most recently available at all 3 places.
We'll start with Michigan's 2013 data (http://www.dpss.umich.edu/topics/clery/clery_2013.html):
Murder/Non-negligent Manslaughter: 0
Negligent Manslaughter: 0
Rape: 7
Fondling: 14
Incest: 0
Statutory Rape: 0
Robbery: 6
Aggravated Assault: 9
Arson: 2
Burglary: 25
Motor Vehicle Theft: 5
Domestic violence: 6
Dating violence: 13
Now MSU's 2013 data (http://police.msu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/asfsreport2014.pdf):
Murder/Non-negligent Manslaughter: 0
Negligent Manslaughter: 0
Forcible sex offense: 27
Non-forcible sex offense: 0
Robbery: 10
Aggravated Assault: 4
Arson: 9
Burglary: 120
Motor Vehicle Theft: 62
Domestic violence: 25
Dating violence: not reported
And finally, that hotbed of crime, depravity, might as well be Kabul, Detroit/WSU (http://police.wayne.edu/archive.php?archive&y=2013):
Homicide: 0
Forcible Sex Offense: 5
Non Forcible Sex Offense: 0
Robbery: 26
Aggravated Assault: 1
Burglary: 12
Larceny: 179 (seems high, but not reported by UM or MSU)
Motor Vehicle Theft: 17
Arson: 0
Domestic/Dating Violence: 0
Stalking: 0
As you can see, WSU is actually lower than UM or MSU in most categories. Your vendetta about Wayne just isn't borne out by the numbers. I do agree that parts of the city are extremely dangerous, I mentioned that in my first post. But to posit that you're putting yourself at increased risk by attending Wayne as compared to UM or MSU just isn't borne out by the statistics, which you claim to love so much.
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Not anywhere I talk about Wayne medical school. I'm talking about downtown Detroit please re-read all my post.
Oh yea congratulations you almost done hope you get match at the hospital you wish for.
Good luck DOC.
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I think his 22 MCAT was due to a 2 in verbal
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Go milk your cow boy.
FYI Dr psychopath is a troll. See http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...lication-thread.1074025/page-21#post-16284826 regarding his 22 MCAT
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If you all believes I had a score GPA- 2.5 MCAT- 22 and got accepted to Wayne medical then the joke is on you. LOL
Get real no medical school wont even look at your application with that score.
They have a min standard of the MCAT score before they look at your apps. Even you meet their requirement a very high MCAT doesn't means nothing to them. It what you prepare yourself for and what you had done while you were in highs school , undergraduate studies and how active you are in life. If you are very active in life then they know you don't have time to studies for the MCAT. But if you are not active but just taking the easy course throughout the 4 years and get an GPA of 4.0 that doesn't mean nothing to them.
Get real no medical school wont even look at your application with that score.
They have a min standard of the MCAT score before they look at your apps. Even you meet their requirement a very high MCAT doesn't means nothing to them. It what you prepare yourself for and what you had done while you were in highs school , undergraduate studies and how active you are in life. If you are very active in life then they know you don't have time to studies for the MCAT. But if you are not active but just taking the easy course throughout the 4 years and get an GPA of 4.0 that doesn't mean nothing to them.
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Misinformation about Detroit ? Do you really know how to read the real data that I had posted?
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Dr psychopath has been an SDN member since 2/27/15.
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So I had a busy active lives
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Thanks for more suggestions! Those 2 places are nice!
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nm. Problem seems to be resolved. Wanted to mention that I live at Studio One and have noticed it's gotten a little bit more "undergrad" in recent months. I consider it no longer worth the money as rent continues to rise so will be moving out. It sure is convenient, though, and I've liked living close to school.
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Since you guys (pre-meds) like these kind of things, here is Wayne's match list from this year. I removed all the 1 year positions and the oral surgery matches.
Anesthesia (14)
Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Northwestern McGaw
Northwestern McGaw
U Cincinnati Med Center
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Tennessee Grad SOM - Knoxville
UCLA Medical Center
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr
University of Michigan
University of Michigan
Child Neurology (1)
University of Michigan
Dermatology (6)
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
St. Louis University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Diagnostic Radiology (11)
Beaumont Health System
Henry Ford Hospital
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Northwestern McGaw
Providence Hospital
U Arizona Affil Hospitals
U Colorado SOM - Denver
U Iowa Hosps and Clinics
University of Michigan
Virginia Commonwealth U Health System
Emergency Medicine (31)
Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Central Michigan University COM
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Newark Beth Israel Med Ctr
Ohio State University
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch - Dallas
UC Davis Med Ctr
University Hospitals - Columbia
University of Michigan
UPMC Medical Education
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Sinai-Grace
Wayne State University/Sinai-Grace
Family Medicine (30)
Beaumont Health System
Central Michigan University COM
Christ Community Health Services
Christ Hospital
Emory Univ SOM
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Loyola Univeristy Med Ctr
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Oakwood Hospital
Oakwood Hospital
Ohio State University
St John Providence Hospital
Providence Hospital DC
Rapid City Reg Hospital
Resurrection Med Ctr
U South Florida COM - Tampa
U Wisconsin SOM and Public Health
U Wisconsin SOM and Public Health
UCLA Med Ctr - Harbor
University of British Columbia
University of Toronto
VCU - Fairfax
Washington Hospital
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
White Mem Med Ctr – LA
General Surgery (20)
Akron Gen Med Ctr/NEOMED
Alleghany Gen Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Eisenhower Army Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Jackson Memorial Hospital
NY Hosp Med Ctr Queens
Rush University Med Ctr
Rutgers - RW Johnson Med School
St. Joseph Mercy - Ann Arbor
St. Joseph Mercy - Ann Arbor
UC Riverside SOM
UIC/Metro Group Hospitals
Walter Reed National Military Med. Center
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
IM/EM (1)
U Illinois COM- Chicago
Internal Medicine (58)
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Detroit Medical Center/Sinai Grace
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr
FAU-Schmidt COM
George Washington Univ
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Kaiser Perm - Santa Clara
Loyola Univeristy Med Ctr
Loyola Univeristy Med Ctr
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Medical University of SC
Mt. Auburn Hospital
North Shore - LIJ Health Sys
Northwestern McGaw
Oakwood Hospital
Oregon Health and Science University
Providence Portland Med Ctr
Scripps Clinics/Green Hospital
Scripps Mercy Hospital - San Diego
St. Joseph Mercy - Ann Arbor
U Alabama Med Ctr
U Cincinnati Med Center
U Cincinnati Med Center
U Colorado SOM - Denver
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Miami MSOM/Palm Beach
U Miami MSOM/Palm Beach
U Texas Med Sch - Houston
U Utah Affil Hospitals
UC Davis Med Ctr
UC San Diego Med Ctr
UC San Diego Med Ctr
UCLA Medical Center - Olive View
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr
Univ of Vermont Medical Center
University of Michigan
University of Michigan
University of Michigan
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
West Virginia University SOM
West Virginia University SOM
White Mem Med Ctr – LA
Med/Peds (4)
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
Beaumont Health System
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Neurological Surgery (4)
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Oregon Health and Science University
U Texas HSC - San Antonio
Neurology (8)
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Sparrow Hospital
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch - Dallas
University of Michigan
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr
OB/GYN (11)
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
George Washington Univ
Henry Ford Hospital
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
North Shore - LIJ Health Sys
Providence Hospital
U Massachusetts Med School
Wayne State University/DMC
Ophthalmology (4)
Henry Ford Hospital
NYMC at Jamaica Hospital
Wayne State University/Kresge
Wayne State University/Kresge
Orthopaedic Surgery (11)
Beaumont Health System
Detroit Medical Center
Detroit Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
McGill University
Medical Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosps
NYMC - Westchester Med Ctr
St. Louis University SOM
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Rochester/Strong Mem
Otolaryngology (3)
UC Irvine Med Ctr
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr
Wayne State University SOM
Pathology (6)
NYU School of Medicine
U Florida COM - Shands Hosp
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics
University of Michigan
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Pediatrics (18)
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
Beaumont Health System
Children's Hospital - Philadelphia
Children's Hospital of Michigan
Children's Hospital of Michigan
Cincinnati Children's Hospital
Cincinnati Children's Hospital
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Northwestern McGaw/Lurie
Northwestern McGaw/Lurie
U Colorado SOM - Denver
U Florida COM - Jacksonville
U Southern California
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch - Dallas
University of Michigan
Peds/Medical Genetics (1)
Baylor Coll Med – Houston
Peds/Psych/Child Psych (1)
Cincinnati Children's Hospital
PM&R (5)
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
University of Michigan
University of Michigan
UPMC Medical Education
Wayne State University SOM
Psychiatry (12)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Duke Univ Med Ctr
Henry Ford Hospital
Pine Rest Christian Mental Hlth Svcs
St. Mary Mercy Hospital
U Cincinnati Med Center
U Cincinnati Med Center
University of Michigan
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
Radiation Oncology (2)
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital
Thoracic Surgery- Integrated (1)
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Urology (2)
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Vascular Surgery – Integrated (1)
UPMC Medical Education
Anesthesia (14)
Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Northwestern McGaw
Northwestern McGaw
U Cincinnati Med Center
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Tennessee Grad SOM - Knoxville
UCLA Medical Center
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr
University of Michigan
University of Michigan
Child Neurology (1)
University of Michigan
Dermatology (6)
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
St. Louis University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Diagnostic Radiology (11)
Beaumont Health System
Henry Ford Hospital
Icahn SOM Beth Israel
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Northwestern McGaw
Providence Hospital
U Arizona Affil Hospitals
U Colorado SOM - Denver
U Iowa Hosps and Clinics
University of Michigan
Virginia Commonwealth U Health System
Emergency Medicine (31)
Barnes-Jewish Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Central Michigan University COM
Cook County-Stroger Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Newark Beth Israel Med Ctr
Ohio State University
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
St. John Hospital
U Illinois COM- Chicago
U Texas Southwestern Med Sch - Dallas
UC Davis Med Ctr
University Hospitals - Columbia
University of Michigan
UPMC Medical Education
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Detroit Receiving
Wayne State University/Sinai-Grace
Wayne State University/Sinai-Grace
Family Medicine (30)
Beaumont Health System
Central Michigan University COM
Christ Community Health Services
Christ Hospital
Emory Univ SOM
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Loyola Univeristy Med Ctr
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ
Oakwood Hospital
Oakwood Hospital
Ohio State University
St John Providence Hospital
Providence Hospital DC
Rapid City Reg Hospital
Resurrection Med Ctr
U South Florida COM - Tampa
U Wisconsin SOM and Public Health
U Wisconsin SOM and Public Health
UCLA Med Ctr - Harbor
University of British Columbia
University of Toronto
VCU - Fairfax
Washington Hospital
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University SOM
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
White Mem Med Ctr – LA
General Surgery (20)
Akron Gen Med Ctr/NEOMED
Alleghany Gen Hospital
Beaumont Health System
Eisenhower Army Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Henry Ford Hospital
Indiana Univ Sch of Med
Jackson Memorial Hospital
NY Hosp Med Ctr Queens
Rush University Med Ctr
Rutgers - RW Johnson Med School
St. Joseph Mercy - Ann Arbor
St. Joseph Mercy - Ann Arbor
UC Riverside SOM
UIC/Metro Group Hospitals
Walter Reed National Military Med. Center
Wayne State University/DMC
Wayne State University/DMC
IM/EM (1)
U Illinois COM- Chicago
Internal Medicine (58)
Baylor Coll Med - Houston
Beaumont Health System
Beaumont Health System
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Case Western/Univ Hosps
Detroit Medical Center/Sinai Grace
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr
FAU-Schmidt COM
George Washington Univ
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners
Henry Ford Hospital
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Barely any California residencies in surgery programs :/
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Its hard to say what that means considering all the factors involved when ranking programs.
EDIT: I think this quote from the Match list thread in allo captures why match lists are not very helpful in picking a med school
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Where on their website does it say that?
just curious, have you gotten an interview yet? have you called to inquire about the status of your app? Also FYI you don't need to bold or make posts in Caps Lock to have your questions answered here.
As a general rule of thumb, a "high GPA" does not make up for a crap MCAT. The only thing I've seen make up for it are extenuating life circumstances, being a particular URM, or some fantastic characteristic or experience you have.
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it says 27 is 10th percentile of accepted students' scores. that doesn't mean it's the "minimum mcat score"
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I definitely agree with what joker said about how difficult it is to read the match tea-leaves about that kind of stuff. Last year we had I think 3 go to California for GS. Just thinking about my classmates who applied GS, I think most of them happened to be local and/or not looking to go to California, which may have something to do with how the match shook out.
FWIW though, surgery is getting much more competitive than it used to be. For those of you who are starting in the fall and who want to do surgery, you should be aware that you will need very strong grades and board scores. Gone are the days of people cruising into GS programs, and there are many horror stories of people who ended up unmatched or matched to places very far down their rank list. It's even worse if you want to go into a more competitive subspecialty like ENT, Plastics or (god help you) integrated thoracic.
So it might be better not to be from California if you want to do a California residency?
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No, it's always to your advantage to be in the state or at least region of where you want to do your residency. You'r faculty will have more connections with the departments, PDs will be more familiar with the quality of graduates from your school, etc.
I was just saying that across the board, surgery is getting more competitive. If you look in the residency forums, you'll also have people talking about how much more competitive the West is in general as well, even for traditionally not competitive specialties like FM.
Gotcha, thanks for the info! Yeah, it really sucks because my family is here in California, and moving from the beautiful Bay Area to Detroit for 4 years is already tough for me to do; I just really hope I can get a surgical residency in California or at least "nearby" like Oregon or Arizona. I'm currently extremely interested in plastics, neuro, and ortho based on shadowing experience and OR experiences (obviously that may all change once I matriculate), so the residencies will be really long for all of them. That's why I really hope I don't have to spend the next 11 years (~14-15 if I do a fellowship?) instead of just the next 4 years on the East Coast. :/ My brother especially would grow apart from me because he's going to practice law here @ home in the Bay Area and it's hard to study for a multi-state Bar exam so I know he wouldn't be able to move close to me. I feel like I can make as many sacrifices as I need to for the next 4 years but I really don't know if I'm willing to grow apart from my brother over 15 years just to do training in my desired field outside of the west coast. Blah. Obviously I'm not some special snowflake who's the only one dealing with these concerns but I just wanted to vent. Oh well. I'll suck it up hahah. My main concern for the upcoming 2 years will be slaughtering the Step 1 exam so I have at least a a better chance at returning home 😀 I think that's really the only actual thing I can do that could make a positive difference in this scenario.
As a side question - have you heard of any west coast/California residency programs give a flying crap whether or not you want to return to your family/where you grew up? Are there any factors that help them give extra consideration? In-state marriage or place of residence in your name? Just curious what tactics people use to try to return home to the west coast hahaha
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As a fellow californian accepted to WSUSOM, I feel your pain but I think you are blowing this out of proportion for a few reasons. In the medical community wayne state actually has a pretty darn good rep, both because of the solid clinical exposure, but also just from the sheer number of students and residents it puts out in every field the network is tremendous, also keep in mind only 40% of the class went primary care so most of these students and residents are specialists. I recently applied for a short term job as a MA in an optho office, the doctors there (neither of whom were schooled or trained in the midwest region) were really impressed with the fact I was going to wayne and actually informed me it has one of the largest optho programs (talking about number of residents) in the nation. In the surgical subspecialty I am most interested in (ortho) wayne,DMC, and HFHS have a combined total of 13 residency slots, that is A LOT (also beaumont opened their own school now, but since previously they were affiliated with wayne I think its possible in some ways to consider that as another 5 positions for a total of 18).
Personally, I'm really excited when I see that match list. Adding up the #'s, they matched a total of 46 students to surgery or surgical subspecialties, for comparison harvard matched 26ish, ucla 28ish. Yeah the class sizes arent the same and the matches arent in the same places but, I think it just shows that Wayne can definitely get you there. Wanna be a surgeon? Wayne CAN get you into a surgical residency and thats whats really important, to me at least.
Finally, the brutal reality that must be considered is that as a resident in a surgical subspeciality (esp. neuro or ortho), you will really not have time to do much else but your training anyways...
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I didn't get a new wayne account yet :/ When are we supposed to get one?
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I interview in jan. Accepted 2 weeks later. And had something in the mail sent to me about a month after that with a temp wayne user and pass.
Thanks dude, I absolutely agree! Especially given how busy I'll be, it's not that I care about the location as much for activity purposes. It has more to do with being able to just see my family whenever I have a free moment by simply driving there or something. Anyway, my father did his residency at Wayne and I know a neurosurgeon here in the Bay Area who graduated from Wayne, and it's definitely got a great rep. My dad credits his insanely impressive track record to his training at Wayne and immense clinical exposure. I'm very happy to go to Wayne 😀
Yup. Right there with ya.
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