2019-2020 Wayne State

[mackie10]

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That's good to know, although several of us were also part of the cycle last year too. The email doesn't exactly say they changed their admission process though. What seems different is that they have been interviewing more people this cycle, plus accepting a lot less right off the bat. While the credibility of the admission tracker is questionable, looking at how many people are simply getting waitlisted on SDN and how the tracker only has 30% acceptance rate so far, it is very little compared to last year and in general. It just looks like they're doing things differently this year like other schools. All the poor EDP people getting waitlisted this year too is a big anomaly.

I believe the amount of EDP applicants has risen in the past few years? EDP is getting more competitive and applying EDP isn't always a guarantee you'll be accepted right off the bat. When I was in undergrad not long ago, we were informed by the current WSU SOM students at the time that some of the cycles consisted of <10 EDP applicants which made the stakes easier per se.

I was in the general pool but I got waitlisted last year and so did my entire anatomy table. Maybe more people are getting waitlisted this year, but there were still many applicants who were automatically waitlisted last cycle due to the new AMCAS changes.

Also I said there was going to some be some waitlist movement. I was one of the few people who got off waitlist between December and February last cycle. I'm not saying there's gonna be people here every week going "I'm off waitlist!" but don't be surprised either if you hear some people say that they were taken off waitlist, as the committee still meets frequently to go over the files of those waitlisted.

 

[BlueBerriess]

I believe the amount of EDP applicants has risen in the past few years? EDP is getting more competitive and applying EDP isn't always a guarantee you'll be accepted right off the bat. When I was in undergrad not long ago, we were informed by the current WSU SOM students at the time that some of the cycles consisted of <10 EDP applicants which made the stakes easier per se.

I was in the general pool but I got waitlisted last year and so did my entire anatomy table. Maybe more people are getting waitlisted this year, but there were still many applicants who were automatically waitlisted last cycle due to the new AMCAS changes.

Also I said there was going to some be some waitlist movement. I was one of the few people who got off waitlist between December and February last cycle. I'm not saying there's gonna be people here every week going "I'm off waitlist!" but don't be surprised either if you hear some people say that they were taken off waitlist, as the committee still meets frequently to go over the files of those waitlisted.

If I dont get in tomorrow, I'ma call up the dean and say my name is Kyle so the Dean won't mess with me anymore.

 

[mynameisno]

If I dont get in tomorrow, I'ma call up the dean and say my name is Kyle so the Dean won't mess with me anymore.

You go Kyle!

 

[tiabour]

I'm like 99% sure that they won't accept anyone off the waitlist this cycle until after the AMCAS deadline for holding an acceptance to only one school. All schools are acting more cautious cause of the AMCAS changes, interviewing and waitlisting more people than usual.

Unless you're like 100.1% certain, don't freak people out. This info is not found on their website, and I am certain it wasn't shared during interviews....so

 

[Couch king]

Is this school accepting of pre-II updates?

 

[BlueBerriess]

Unless you're like 100.1% certain, don't freak people out. This info is not found on their website, and I am certain it wasn't shared during interviews....so

Well they obviously dont share this stuff in the interviews. 90% of the waitlist movement has always been after february, saying we have to wait isn't supposed to freak out people. I've seen adcoms on SDN talking about most schools on average changing their methods this year in particular.

 

[mackie10]

That's good to know, although several of us were also part of the cycle last year too. The email doesn't exactly say they changed their admission process though. What seems different is that they have been interviewing more people this cycle, plus accepting a lot less right off the bat. While the credibility of the admission tracker is questionable, looking at how many people are simply getting waitlisted on SDN and how the tracker only has 30% acceptance rate so far, it is very little compared to last year and in general. It just looks like they're doing things differently this year like other schools. All the poor EDP people getting waitlisted this year too is a big anomaly.

I was looking through my phone conversations and found a screenshot of the admissions tracker from February 13th, 2019. This cycle's admissions tracker when February rolls around is honestly not going to be that much different from last cycle. Acceptance rate was about 34% in February of last cycle, while the acceptance rate currently is about 30% (with some interviews left to go and the minor waitlist movement).

 

[BlueBerriess]

I was looking through my phone conversations and found a screenshot of the admissions tracker from February 13th, 2019. This cycle's admissions tracker when February rolls around is honestly not going to be that much different from last cycle. Acceptance rate was about 34% in February of last cycle, while the acceptance rate currently is about 30% (with some interviews left to go and the minor waitlist movement).

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Right, but this was more what I was looking at when I said they're interviewing more people this cycle. The percentage is similar enough, of course the tracker is questionable still like i said before. It looks like they wanted to get their numbers sorted out quicker this year. Give out more acceptances and more waitlists asap so they have a list ready before the AMCAS deadline.

 

[Gal_from_Gallifrey]

Right, but this was more what I was looking at when I said they're interviewing more people this cycle. The percentage is similar enough, of course the tracker is questionable still like i said before. It looks like they wanted to get their numbers sorted out quicker this year. Give out more acceptances and more waitlists asap so they have a list ready before the AMCAS deadline.

Abi, who is the young gentleman whom I hope you had the chance to meet at your interview day and who has the final say in who is accepted or not to the school, has said WSUSOM is planning on interviewing around 1500 applicants this cycle. If I remember correctly, this is more than was invited last year.

 

[Gal_from_Gallifrey]

Unless you're like 100.1% certain, don't freak people out. This info is not found on their website, and I am certain it wasn't shared during interviews....so

Yes, thank you for mentioning this. the adcom sorts through all WL applications and makes decisions throughout the cycle to take people off of it. Now, the likelihood that it's you getting taken off the waitlist is low this early, but know that WL movement does happen and people show up on here as early as now saying they've been taken off the WL.

I've said this so many times at interviews and during your interview tours, please please please do not lose hope with this WL. Trust me, I know how hard it is: this was the only school that interviewed me and I was WL here until 2 weeks before the start of classes, but off the waitlist I got. The sheer number of applicants and interviews makes it difficult sometimes for us to properly vet applicants, so it is easier to WL and revisit than to reject a potentially good applicant. That seems fair, right? Don't you want adcom to give your application the time it deserves to determine your candidacy? Sometimes that necessitates time on the WL. Is it ideal? Absolutely not. Should medical school be so competitive especially when there is a national shortage of doctors? **** no. But WSU is trying to buck that trend and the only way it can do that right now is spreading out the applicants across the whole cycle.

If you have any more concerns please do not hesitate to reach out to me, I know what you all are going through and I am happy to lend a hand. While, as a student, I don't have any say in who is admitted, I can do all I can from this side to ensure you are coming across as a good candidate. If you have any concerns from your interview day also please reach out as I am part of the committee of students who runs the tours on interview day.

 

[mackie10]

Right, but this was more what I was looking at when I said they're interviewing more people this cycle. The percentage is similar enough, of course the tracker is questionable still like i said before. It looks like they wanted to get their numbers sorted out quicker this year. Give out more acceptances and more waitlists asap so they have a list ready before the AMCAS deadline.

Honestly it looks like Wayne is just being more on top of the tracker than last cycle, as the numbers you are referencing hadn't been updated all that much until mid Feb (big jump in numbers from Feb 6th to the my previous screenshot)

 

[pHDole]

Okay apparently I'm STILL the only one since this happened like a month ago, so I'm posting

Proud to announce that I am apparently Wayne State's only post-II rejection 🙂)))

So for those of you on the waitlist, know that it could've been worse lol

 

[HAVOK121121]

Okay apparently I'm STILL the only one since this happened like a month ago, so I'm posting

Proud to announce that I am apparently Wayne State's only post-II rejection 🙂)))

So for those of you on the waitlist, know that it could've been worse lol

Not trying to rub it in, but I haven’t heard of someone with a post-II rejection without a waitlist first. If you are willing to share, did something happen at your interview?

 

[deleted1011020]

Not trying to rub it in, but I haven’t heard of someone with a post-II rejection without a waitlist first. If you are willing to share, did something happen at your interview?

Im going to guess yield protection since hes got a 523?

 

[HAVOK121121]

Im going to guess yield protection since hes got a 523?

A waitlist position would have done that just as effectively.

 

[pHDole]

Not trying to rub it in, but I haven’t heard of someone with a post-II rejection without a waitlist first. If you are willing to share, did something happen at your interview?

Haha don't worry about it, that's why I posted. My MMI and student interviews were fine, but my faculty interviewer very clearly didn't like me and was pretty rude to me and idrk why. Like I'm pretty sure he's the reason I got rejected but I didn't say anything that I thought was that bad so I was surprised to not at least get the waitlist

 

[pHDole]

A waitlist position would have done that just as effectively.

A pre-II Rejection would've done that better lol. I don't think they would've interviewed me if they were gonna consider that?


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[pHDole]

Not trying to rub it in, but I haven’t heard of someone with a post-II rejection without a waitlist first. If you are willing to share, did something happen at your interview?

Oh also I waited like 2 weeks to schedule my interview and I scheduled it like 2 months out after that, which could've indicated that I wasn't interested? That's the only other thing I could think of

 

[Blue Lion]

Hey Early Decision folk, could use your help in answering a question I have concerning a friend:

A friend wants to apply Early Decision for the next cycle, but her MCAT is just shy of the requirement. She's close to it, but also she's taken the MCAT three times. If she takes it a fourth time and she gets it above the required threshold, do you think the fact that she had to take the MCAT four times in order to get that score will hurt her in the review process?

 

[HAVOK121121]

Hey Early Decision folk, could use your help in answering a question I have concerning a friend:

A friend wants to apply Early Decision for the next cycle, but her MCAT is just shy of the requirement. She's close to it, but also she's taken the MCAT three times. If she takes it a fourth time and she gets it above the required threshold, do you think the fact that she had to take the MCAT four times in order to get that score will hurt her in the review process?

I’m not an Early Decision person but I’m not sure it gives you an advantage that would be worth a fourth MCAT. That seems like it would be too much risk for very little reward.

 

[Blue Lion]

I’m not an Early Decision person but I’m not sure it gives you an advantage that would be worth a fourth MCAT. That seems like it would be too much risk for very little reward.

That it wouldn’t be worth it if she succeeds? Because she’s literally just a point off if that matters at all.

 

[MrPooperScooper]

does anyone know how hard it would be to get a residency reclassification to work in ur favor at wayne

 

[doc_T_]

I took the MCAT a fourth time and increased my score by 14 points. It can be worth it if you put in the work.


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[Blue Lion]

I took the MCAT a fourth time and increased my score by 14 points. It can be worth it if you put in the work.


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That’s awesome to hear! To be honest she’s just aiming high enough to qualify for the EDP hence why I’m asking.

 

[tiabour]

Hey Early Decision folk, could use your help in answering a question I have concerning a friend:

A friend wants to apply Early Decision for the next cycle, but her MCAT is just shy of the requirement. She's close to it, but also she's taken the MCAT three times. If she takes it a fourth time and she gets it above the required threshold, do you think the fact that she had to take the MCAT four times in order to get that score will hurt her in the review process?

They have a better chance of being accepted (not necessarily Wayne) if they apply early without EDP. In a lot of ways, EDP can be a disadvantage in my opinion

 

[Blue Lion]

They have a better chance of being accepted (not necessarily Wayne) if they apply early without EDP. In a lot of ways, EDP can be a disadvantage in my opinion

How so to both sentences? I was debating on joining her.

 

[pHDole]

How so to both sentences? I was debating on joining her.

I think it's basically you have a better chance at the school you apply EDP to, but it hurts you everywhere else bc you have to apply late


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[Blue Lion]

I think it's basically you have a better chance at the school you apply EDP to, but it hurts you everywhere else bc you have to apply late


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Oh that makes sense lol.
Yeah, this is my friend and I’s top choice so that’s why we would want to apply EDP.

So under those circumstances, would it be to her benefit or detriment to take the MCAT a 4th time in order to qualify?

 

[pHDole]

Oh that makes sense lol.
Yeah, this is my friend and I’s top choice so that’s why we would want to apply EDP.

So under those circumstances, would it be to her benefit or detriment to take the MCAT a 4th time in order to qualify?

Personally I wouldn't apply EDP anywhere unless it was the only school you are willing to go to, but I never considered it for myself so someone else might be able to give you better advice


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[Oatmealraisin4me]

Just got an II for here. OOS
Will likely be turning down but in case anyone was wondering, there are 5 days in January available (seemed like multiple slots on those days), nothing for December.

Hi! I was just wondering if you ended up turning down the II, did you call or email the admissions office?

same boat, OOS and received an interview invite, but will likely be withdrawing except I see no option to do so in the portal!

Thank you

 

[SlipperyWhenWet]

Got into my home town school. I'll be letting my A go. Hope it goes to one of yall!

 

[dm11996]

does anyone know when their admissions office closes for the holidays?

 

[Blue Lion]

Personally I wouldn't apply EDP anywhere unless it was the only school you are willing to go to, but I never considered it for myself so someone else might be able to give you better advice


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Yeah, she wants to do it because she did postbacc classes that replaced her overall undergraduate GPA per Wayne’s “20 science credits rule,” so she thinks this will be her best chance.

 

[ThetisAntithesis]

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Hi! I was just wondering if you ended up turning down the II, did you call or email the admissions office?

same boat, OOS and received an interview invite, but will likely be withdrawing except I see no option to do so in the portal!

Thank you

I sent an email that I was declining the interview and also my application for the cycle.

 

[greenamber538]

Accepted!! 😀

 

[dreamformedschool]

Accepted!! 😀

Congrats!!!! Can I know your interview date?

 

[greenamber538]

Thanks! 12/9

 

[future_doctor_14]

Accepted!! 12/09 interview date

 

[tiabour]

How so to both sentences? I was debating on joining her.

First of all, regardless of your stats, you are NOT guaranteed admission, it is a holistic process so you are basically putting all your eggs into one basketball. EDP decision for most schools is around october 1st, you are NOT allowed to apply to any other schools until you get a decision. Even if you heard around mid-August (which could be the earliest), you are still very late in the game. Like someone said, unless you are not considering going to any other schools (or your overall application is above average by a large margin), I can't see the benefits of applying to EDP.

This is just an opinion, I never applied EDP but I have heard many adcoms discourage applying to EDP for reasons above.

 

[rdyotz]

First of all, regardless of your stats, you are NOT guaranteed admission, it is a holistic process so you are basically putting all your eggs into one basketball. EDP decision for most schools is around october 1st, you are NOT allowed to apply to any other schools until you get a decision. Even if you heard around mid-August (which could be the earliest), you are still very late in the game. Like someone said, unless you are not considering going to any other schools (or your overall application is above average by a large margin), I can't see the benefits of applying to EDP.

This is just an opinion, I never applied EDP but I have heard many adcoms discourage applying to EDP for reasons above.

To tack on to tiabour's thoughts. Some schools allow you to talk with the dean (some require it) who can give you an idea if you should apply EDP. Generally, if you are just barely reaching the cutoffs for EDP, then you should not apply. There are some exceptions - amazing life story that you can vocalize extremely well in written form or you cured cancer are a couple of things that come to mind. Taking the MCAT 3-4 times means you better show significant improvement each time. If you only improve 1-2 points, then a 4th attempt will look bad, despite meeting the EDP requirements. Many schools will average the MCATs - not sure what Wayne does though (seems like they might be more willing to take the latest one). I don't mean to sound so negative, but applying to medical school is a numbers game, and severely limiting yourself by only applying to 1 school makes the game much more difficult. I finished secondaries early August and wished I had done so 2 weeks earlier, I can't imagine how it would be *IF* you hear back on October 1st.

TLDR: Each school is different and it is best to seek out the dean of admissions input.

 

[Blue Lion]

To tack on to tiabour's thoughts. Some schools allow you to talk with the dean (some require it) who can give you an idea if you should apply EDP. Generally, if you are just barely reaching the cutoffs for EDP, then you should not apply. There are some exceptions - amazing life story that you can vocalize extremely well in written form or you cured cancer are a couple of things that come to mind. Taking the MCAT 3-4 times means you better show significant improvement each time. If you only improve 1-2 points, then a 4th attempt will look bad, despite meeting the EDP requirements. Many schools will average the MCATs - not sure what Wayne does though (seems like they might be more willing to take the latest one). I don't mean to sound so negative, but applying to medical school is a numbers game, and severely limiting yourself by only applying to 1 school makes the game much more difficult. I finished secondaries early August and wished I had done so 2 weeks earlier, I can't imagine how it would be *IF* you hear back on October 1st.

TLDR: Each school is different and it is best to seek out the dean of admissions input.

First of all, regardless of your stats, you are NOT guaranteed admission, it is a holistic process so you are basically putting all your eggs into one basketball. EDP decision for most schools is around october 1st, you are NOT allowed to apply to any other schools until you get a decision. Even if you heard around mid-August (which could be the earliest), you are still very late in the game. Like someone said, unless you are not considering going to any other schools (or your overall application is above average by a large margin), I can't see the benefits of applying to EDP.

This is just an opinion, I never applied EDP but I have heard many adcoms discourage applying to EDP for reasons above.

Thanks for the thoughts you too, I appreciate the input to give her. But yeah, she definitely is dedicated to this school, especially with the whole “post-bacc replacing undergrad GPA” clause they have here (had a 3.0 undergrad GPA and did a 30 credit science post-bacc). She has improved greatly each time she retook the MCAT (from 493 to 499 to 504) so I can see her making another big leap again. Any additional feedback knowing this?

Definitely never thought of telling her to call/message the Dean so thanks for that!

 

[PerfectMD]

Thanks for the thoughts you too, I appreciate the input to give her. But yeah, she definitely is dedicated to this school, especially with the whole “post-bacc replacing undergrad GPA” clause they have here (had a 3.0 undergrad GPA and did a 30 credit science post-bacc). She has improved greatly each time she retook the MCAT (from 493 to 499 to 504) so I can see her making another big leap again. Any additional feedback knowing this?

Definitely never thought of telling her to call/message the Dean so thanks for that!

Hey there. Just wanted to share my friend's experience. Hopefully it will be of use to your friend. He had a similar trajectory of Mcat test taken starting at 493 and concluding at 508 over 4 retakes, completed a masters and received an interview a wayne state. He's not in yet but there is promise is suppose. So tell ur friend to keep pushing and do what ever it takes! Hope that helps.

 

[tiabour]

To tack on to tiabour's thoughts. Some schools allow you to talk with the dean (some require it) who can give you an idea if you should apply EDP. Generally, if you are just barely reaching the cutoffs for EDP, then you should not apply. There are some exceptions - amazing life story that you can vocalize extremely well in written form or you cured cancer are a couple of things that come to mind. Taking the MCAT 3-4 times means you better show significant improvement each time. If you only improve 1-2 points, then a 4th attempt will look bad, despite meeting the EDP requirements. Many schools will average the MCATs - not sure what Wayne does though (seems like they might be more willing to take the latest one). I don't mean to sound so negative, but applying to medical school is a numbers game, and severely limiting yourself by only applying to 1 school makes the game much more difficult. I finished secondaries early August and wished I had done so 2 weeks earlier, I can't imagine how it would be *IF* you hear back on October 1st.

TLDR: Each school is different and it is best to seek out the dean of admissions input.

Actually speaking to the dean (adcom) sounds like a brilliant idea

 

[Pod God]

Anyone taken off the waitlist yet?

 

[MrPooperScooper]

Anyone taken off the waitlist yet?

2020 our year!

 

[BlueGangsta]

Hey Early Decision folk, could use your help in answering a question I have concerning a friend:

A friend wants to apply Early Decision for the next cycle, but her MCAT is just shy of the requirement. She's close to it, but also she's taken the MCAT three times. If she takes it a fourth time and she gets it above the required threshold, do you think the fact that she had to take the MCAT four times in order to get that score will hurt her in the review process?

If she’s shy of the requirement she will definitely not receive an interview through the EDP program. Most likely will be deferred to regular app pool. To apply EDP at Wayne you HAVE to meet the minimum academic requirements. Doesn’t matter if you’re only one point off. She should write it a fourth time and get the required score

 

[BlueGangsta]

Thanks for the thoughts you too, I appreciate the input to give her. But yeah, she definitely is dedicated to this school, especially with the whole “post-bacc replacing undergrad GPA” clause they have here (had a 3.0 undergrad GPA and did a 30 credit science post-bacc). She has improved greatly each time she retook the MCAT (from 493 to 499 to 504) so I can see her making another big leap again. Any additional feedback knowing this?

Definitely never thought of telling her to call/message the Dean so thanks for that!

Honestly EDP isn’t for everyone but don’t discount it all together. For some applicants it can be of significant benefit to apply through EDP. Just keep in mind that it is a holistic process. Don’t slack on your app and references. It makes a huge difference. I wouldn’t say med school admission is purely a numbers game, more so a very unpredictable process. I applied to 13 schools last year right at the beginning of the cycle and didn’t get a single II. This year I applied EDP to Wayne and got in. Obvs some things in my app changed significantly but I also feel that in my circumstances EDP benefited me by forcing my app to be looked at and given a response to. Also Wayne was not only the school that I wanted to go to most but also the one that was the best fit for my circumstances. Also if your app isn’t good enough to be considered for RD you won’t get in via EDP. Just to summarize, meet the min academic requirements for EDP and spend a lot of time on writing a quality app, get good references and practice for the interview and EDP will likely do you good

 

[yoink]

Thanks! 12/9

Accepted!! 12/09 interview date

We’re you guys IS or OOS?

 

[Jappa]

First acceptance off the waitlist reported on December 14th last year... this week is our week boys

this did not age well

 

[future_doctor_14]

We’re you guys IS or OOS?

IS