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Thank you so much for your reply, so what would you suggest us to write for this optional question: I'm thinking about a great adversity that I overcame or gap years. What do you think?
I personally wrote about overcoming adversity and how the lessons I learned from this experience have equipped me to able to handle the rigors of medical school. (resilience/grit, etc.). I would try to use this section to highlight an aspect of your personality (that you haven't touched on anywhere else) that you think would be valuable for them to know. You could talk about an experience that gave you insight into who you are and how these qualities reflect why you are prepared for med school and a good fit for Keck without actually explicitly saying that in your response. I hope this helps! Feel free to message me directly for further clarification, if necessary! I can better advise you that way if you can give me more specifics on the direction you want to go in for this response. 🙂
 
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Wow, I think you've missed the point entirely.

Firstly, I have been accepted to Keck and I am committed to going there next year. I applied during the 2019-2020 application cycle, but was accepted to the class of 2025 on a deferred offer of admission without having to reapply this cycle. I'm not competing with anyone on here for a spot in Keck's med school because I'm already in, I've got nothing more to prove. I genuinely just want to help others succeed as well, so if I feel like sharing my experience would be helpful for someone else, I'll share the specifics of what I went through.

Secondly, I am painfully aware of how ambiguous the process of applying to medical school is. This is why I go to great lengths to try to demystify the process by sharing what I went through personally when I was applying. I don't claim to be an expert by any means, but if someone asks a specific question, on the thread for my medical school entering class, I will do my best to answer that question based on my own experience, if applicable. Giving vague advice is not helpful and I remember being a pre-med not too long ago wishing that someone would just answer my questions directly because the schools themselves would NEVER answer any question about what they're looking for directly (for fear of giving applicants any sort of unfair advantage when applying).

Lastly, Dr. Arias explained during my interview day the reasons why she changed the Keck secondary to what it is today. If you noticed, Keck's secondary is a lot different from any other secondary. It's actually fun to write, and really gets you thinking differently about how to approach it. She merely used the diversity question as an example to explain her point, which was that questions that are traditionally asked on secondaries by the majority of schools are poor indicators of how well you'll do in med school. In other words, how well you write a response to "how will you bring diversity to our school" or "explain your interest in ____ SOM" does not give insight into who you are as a person, and thus is not a good indicator of how well you align with a specific school and what they stand for.

Also, I'm not sure why you're saying that wanting to go to Keck for it's location and the fact that it's a research powerhouse is laughable and degrading Keck. FYI, during this one hour pre-interview session we had with Dr. Arias (the dean of admissions at Keck) on our interview day, she literally told us, "I'll tell you why you want to go to Keck: we're a research powerhouse, we're a private institution who serves the public, and you can't beat California weather."

I get that applying to medical school is frustrating, demoralizing, and stressful, but your animosity is sorely misdirected. Don't take it out on others who are just trying to help.

Hey sorry I think you missed my point entirely

Sorry if you took it personally. I was never directing my anger at YOU specifically. I quoted your response because it was the most recent one talking about secondary specifics. I was not doubting your credibility but thanks for clarifying why you feel qualified to demystify the process. Just ranted more so at the fact we have to find this information out on the internet from anons., on a very niche platform and a resource that not all applicants utilize. On Keck’s application revamp mission I would expect more support and inclusiveness on this journey.

Secondly I would disagree with the Why Us and diversity statements not being telling about who you are as a person. The reason you want to attend a school will be specific to you and your life experiences which will be explained in a what ? You guessed it the Why us essay! When written correctly it’s extremely telling about who you are. One great example would be diversity! As a POC who attended a predominantly white undergrad., an institution’s commitment to diversity and inclusion is EXTREMELY important to me! Keck seems to be committed to this Value while many other schools arguabaly are not (would you agree as a matriculant?)

Likewise the diversity Statement is literally about you so I didn’t really understand what you meant including that comment for this essay...

I still stand by what I said that LIMITING Keck to a research powerhouse and location is degrading. Sure these are TWO valid reasons to go to Keck but certainly not the only ones. Nor does it encompass everything that appears to be great about the school. I’m sure as a decided matriculant you have MANY more reasons than just location and research for your decision especially considering how expensive it is to attend and to live in CA. And if not then that’s fine too.
But other people will have different reasons for ultimately choosing USC. I had a convo with someone who chose UCLA and their response didn’t simply boil down to “location and research” it’s more multifaceted than that.

I appreciate what you’re trying to do and didn’t mean to disregard your kindness. I’m frustrated at this process. But thanks anyway! Good luck on your journey at Keck. And keep on supporting this community how you see fit!
 
Hey sorry I think you missed my point entirely

Sorry if you took it personally. I was never directing my anger at YOU specifically. I quoted your response because it was the most recent one talking about secondary specifics. I was not doubting your credibility but thanks for clarifying why you feel qualified to demystify the process. Just ranted more so at the fact we have to find this information out on the internet from anons., on a very niche platform and a resource that not all applicants utilize. On Keck’s application revamp mission I would expect more support and inclusiveness on this journey.

Secondly I would disagree with the Why Us and diversity statements not being telling about who you are as a person. The reason you want to attend a school will be specific to you and your life experiences which will be explained in a what ? You guessed it the Why us essay! When written correctly it’s extremely telling about who you are. One great example would be diversity! As a POC who attended a predominantly white undergrad., an institution’s commitment to diversity and inclusion is EXTREMELY important to me! Keck seems to be committed to this Value while many other schools arguabaly are not (would you agree as a matriculant?)

Likewise the diversity Statement is literally about you so I didn’t really understand what you meant including that comment for this essay...

I still stand by what I said that LIMITING Keck to a research powerhouse and location is degrading. Sure these are TWO valid reasons to go to Keck but certainly not the only ones. Nor does it encompass everything that appears to be great about the school. I’m sure as a decided matriculant you have MANY more reasons than just location and research for your decision especially considering how expensive it is to attend and to live in CA. And if not then that’s fine too.
But other people will have different reasons for ultimately choosing USC. I had a convo with someone who chose UCLA and their response didn’t simply boil down to “location and research” it’s more multifaceted than that.

I appreciate what you’re trying to do and didn’t mean to disregard your kindness. I’m frustrated at this process. But thanks anyway! Good luck on your journey at Keck. And keep on supporting this community how you see fit!

Upperclassman here.

I think the big reason why a "why us" essay isn't super helpful is that a majority of the answers will have this formula - commitment to diversity, service to underserved population, research, private school, etc. and then a personal experience from an activity that's apparent based on the rest of your application (ECs you have, personal statement, etc.). So it gets pretty redundant - both for the admission people reading it and for the applicants that are writing it. As for the diversity statement, the secondary is already kind of a the diversity statement in that there's a lot of ways to answer these questions that can showcase what your priorities/values are, what your personality is, what your background is, and what you are like outside of the classroom. These should be pretty unique and individualized to you so it might be pretty redundant to write a diversity essay when it'll probably be demonstrated already in this part of the secondary.

With that being said, if you feel that you have a really compelling and personal reason to write a "why us" or "diversity" essay, you should go ahead and do that. Just make sure it's something that isn't generic that you're including just for the sake of writing something down. Make sure it actually adds something that isn't already obvious when someone reads your entire application.

Also, Dr. Arias has a pretty dry sense of humor and she says "people want to come to USC for research and location" in jest... but come on, deep down you're thinking about it too 😀
 
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am i even competitive for this school?

4.0/511

You have a 4.0, and according to MSAR, your MCAT is just barely below their 10th percentile. I'm not sure how you define "competitive," but it seems like you have a shot. Why do you think you wouldn't? I'm guessing you might be OOS based on your username – if that's your concern, no need to worry about that. I see a lot of people mentioning IS/OOS in this thread, but I don't think it's actually relevant for USC. They're a private school, and don't have an in-state bias that I'm aware of.
 
You have a 4.0, and according to MSAR, your MCAT is just barely below their 10th percentile. I'm not sure how you define "competitive," but it seems like you have a shot. Why do you think you wouldn't? I'm guessing you might be OOS based on your username – if that's your concern, no need to worry about that. I see a lot of people mentioning IS/OOS in this thread, but I don't think it's actually relevant for USC. They're a private school, and don't have an in-state bias that I'm aware of.
i appreciate u good sir/maam
 
am i even competitive for this school?

4.0/511

It's certainly not ideal because the MCAT says a lot more about a candidate than GPA. I think adcoms are aware which schools grade inflate and which don't. A 4.0 from UChicago, UCLA, etc means more than one from Harvard or a random state school. I think your competitiveness would fall on your extracurriculars and experiences.
 
It's certainly not ideal because the MCAT says a lot more about a candidate than GPA. I think adcoms are aware which schools grade inflate and which don't. A 4.0 from UChicago, UCLA, etc means more than one from Harvard or a random state school. I think your competitiveness would fall on your extracurriculars and experiences.
thank you!
 
I'm pretty sure that won't get you the pre-II R. But adcoms don't really care for unsolicited 'Why Us' or diversity essays, at least the SDN ones. I feel like the only essay you can get away with is the gap year essay IF you have stuff not already in your AMCAS
Not sure where you heard this. Applicants can and should write what they want Keck to know. I'm a current first year and I submitted a diversity essay for that part of the secondary.

EDIT: After reading Gibbward's post up there, I will say that I agree. Dean Arias reads all of the secondaries herself. If/when you meet her, you will quickly find out that she is uniquely AMAZING. Thus, a cookie-cutter diversity response (or any type of response for that matter) is not recommended. The secondary is almost entirely based on revealing your personality/who you are. Use that space to reveal who you are. Put some personality into it and have some fun!
 
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For the optional essay, I wrote about COVID (I have a lot to talk about w/ increased healthcare responsibilities, etc.)
 
So based on what people are saying about the USC Dean, I guess the adversity essay for optional section is not going to fly either?
 
Can someone give some pointers/direction on the "didn't get something you deserved" prompt? I'm really having trouble with this one
 
Can someone give some pointers/direction on the "didn't get something you deserved" prompt? I'm really having trouble with this one

I was struggling with this as well - I used these two sites to steer me in the right direction for this question:
 
By the way, USC is one of the few schools that won't take "Thank you" letters lol. They literally tell you they don't want any updates, LOI, thank yous, etc.
 
Okay seriously am I the only one who finds these tips and pointers ridiculous? Why would the Dean explain to INTERVIEWEES what she likes/dislikes in a secondary? Like do you really care what's preferred in the secondary once you made it to the interview point??? Is it a "you're all gathered here to interview because you DIDN'T write a diversity essay for the optional question lol congrats!" Why wouldn't this information be available to prospective applicants? It's so dumb we have to find this out from some anonymous source on the internet. It's creating undue stress for the people who have already submitted their secondary applications. Also to address an earlier poster who mentioned the Dean not liking the Why Us essay because everyone's answer is the same (i.e. location and research power house) that is so far from the truth I almost laugh. Yeah sure there's people applying for those reasons but there are many other applicants who are enticed by other unique aspects of Keck. Saying that is like basically degrading Keck, like ALL it has to offer applicants is Location and Research opportunities...

My understanding from their secondaries is they want people to march to the beat of their own drum, hence all the creative and abnormal questions. So why would the Dean explain at length her strict preferences for the secondary (to the interview audience who could most likely care less)??

End rant....
Hey sorry I think you missed my point entirely

Sorry if you took it personally. I was never directing my anger at YOU specifically. I quoted your response because it was the most recent one talking about secondary specifics. I was not doubting your credibility but thanks for clarifying why you feel qualified to demystify the process. Just ranted more so at the fact we have to find this information out on the internet from anons., on a very niche platform and a resource that not all applicants utilize. On Keck’s application revamp mission I would expect more support and inclusiveness on this journey.

Secondly I would disagree with the Why Us and diversity statements not being telling about who you are as a person. The reason you want to attend a school will be specific to you and your life experiences which will be explained in a what ? You guessed it the Why us essay! When written correctly it’s extremely telling about who you are. One great example would be diversity! As a POC who attended a predominantly white undergrad., an institution’s commitment to diversity and inclusion is EXTREMELY important to me! Keck seems to be committed to this Value while many other schools arguabaly are not (would you agree as a matriculant?)

Likewise the diversity Statement is literally about you so I didn’t really understand what you meant including that comment for this essay...

I still stand by what I said that LIMITING Keck to a research powerhouse and location is degrading. Sure these are TWO valid reasons to go to Keck but certainly not the only ones. Nor does it encompass everything that appears to be great about the school. I’m sure as a decided matriculant you have MANY more reasons than just location and research for your decision especially considering how expensive it is to attend and to live in CA. And if not then that’s fine too.
But other people will have different reasons for ultimately choosing USC. I had a convo with someone who chose UCLA and their response didn’t simply boil down to “location and research” it’s more multifaceted than that.

I appreciate what you’re trying to do and didn’t mean to disregard your kindness. I’m frustrated at this process. But thanks anyway! Good luck on your journey at Keck. And keep on supporting this community how you see fit!

I get that this process can be stressful and ambiguous. While Dean Arias does say those things, don't read too much into it or let it stress you out. As another student mentioned, Dean Arias has a quirky sense of humor and some context can be lost here on SDN. I wrote "why Keck" and was accepted last cycle. A truly thoughtful answer is probably better than no answer, but no answer is better than a generic one.
 
I get that this process can be stressful and ambiguous. While Dean Arias does say those things, don't read too much into it or let it stress you out. As another student mentioned, Dean Arias has a quirky sense of humor and some context can be lost here on SDN. I wrote "why Keck" and was accepted last cycle. A truly thoughtful answer is probably better than no answer, but no answer is better than a generic one.

Thanks! I think the way some of the tips were worded made it feel like it would be the WORST thing you could do for your app. i.e. "DON'T WRITE XYZ" when you already wrote about it is not the most comforting thing to hear, lol especially when more than 75% have already turned in the secondary. We're all already neurotic and high strung premeds trying to catch a break from the stress not add to it. Thanks for the reassurance and advice.
 
DON'T WRITE ABOUT DIVERSITY! During the hour before our interview, we met with Dr. Arias and she told us that she dislikes diversity questions because they're such poor indicators of whether or not an applicant will make a great medical student at Keck. When she became dean of admissions, she even like picked out some of the best medical students she had at the time and re-read their "diversity" answer in their secondary applications to see if it had any indication of their performance in med school. She found that the answers these students wrote were terrible, but they were phenomenal med students. That's why she specifically took that question out and revamped the Keck secondary to inquire more about applicants' personalities rather than the traditional "why us" and "diversity" questions that other schools will ask. Don't add something in there that she specifically remade the secondary application to not include!

Hey guys, I just wanted to apologize for any stress my previous comment may have caused anyone. This was just my quick, knee-jerk response (after a long day at work) to someone asking about a diversity essay in general without further context. I honestly didn't think about how this would come across/affect people when I wrote it quickly without really thinking about it. I will keep this in mind going forward and avoid writing responses here after I am brain-dead/exhausted from work lol. I'll make sure that my responses going forward will be more thought out and convey my full meaning instead of just a portion of it.

For the those of you freaking out about this comment, I'm sure you guys are fine. Allow me to elaborate on what I meant initially but did not have a chance to explain in more detail. When I responded to that comment where someone asked if they should talk about diversity, I advised them against it because generally speaking, diversity essays (and why keck) essays are pretty generic. However, these topics could work if written the right way. If you allow yourself to be vulnerable, share something personal (insight/what you learned from your experiences), highlight some characteristic that is not found elsewhere in your application but you want them to know about, then writing about diversity/why keck would be a valuable addition to your application. If this optional essay is written in such a way that it sheds more light on who you are as a person rather than "why you would bring diversity to Keck" then you're totally fine!

Also, keep in mind that this is such a small portion of your secondary application. This ONE essay is taken into consideration with all the other essays you wrote plus everything else in your application, and Keck really does look at your entire application holistically. So fret not! Whether or not you get an II, it will not be just because of this one optional essay.

Stop freaking out and just breathe. One thing I learned about going through this process last year is that there is seriously no point in freaking out about something you cannot change and is no longer in your control. Things will work out the way they're meant to. It's not over until it's over!
 
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I'll post my interview prep advice here again since some of you guys have started getting II already! Disclaimer: things may have changed due to COVID-19, so please take my advice with a grain of salt (especially with all interviews being virtual now). This is how I prepared for my interview pre-COVID. Hope you guys will still find it helpful.

For those of you who have advanced to the interview stage: You will have two, one hour, one-on-one traditional interviews: one faculty and one student interviewer. The interview is closed file. Your interviewers will know nothing about you aside from your name and what you look like from your picture. What's nice though is that they try to pair you up with interviewers who have similar interests to you or come from a similar background, based on your application. Obviously they start off with the "tell me about yourself" or "tell me about your path to medicine", but after that the conversation pretty much flows naturally. They do have required questions they have to ask you during the interview, but I was honestly not surprised by any of the questions they threw at me and had thought about an answer to all of the questions I was asked while I was prepping for this interview. After your interview, your interviewers will write a one page reflection on their interview experience with you which will be submitted to the adcomm and then your entire file will be reviewed with this feedback for a final decision. They got back to me two weeks after I interviewed.

Tips for Prepping for the Interview:
  1. CHECK THE SDN KECK INTERVIEW FEEDBACK FOR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED IN THE PAST! The interview feedback for Keck on SDN was SO accurate. I practiced what I would say for as many of the questions on this page that I could. I practiced saying them out loud and having a general idea of what I would say for each question without totally memorizing word-for-word what I would say. As a result, I was prepared for EVERY SINGLE QUESTION I was asked during my actual interview. Not being surprised by any of the questions I was asked definitely reduced some of my stress during the interview.
  2. PRACTICE SAYING YOUR RESPONSE TO "TELL ME ABOUT YOURSELF" OUT LOUD, MULTIPLE TIMES! Personally, my story is long and I needed to be more concise so that I wasn't rambling and potentially boring the interviewer with the long spiel about myself so writing down what I wanted to say and memorizing the points I wanted to hit for this question really helped me do well on this initial question.
  3. DON'T MEMORIZE YOUR INTERVIEW RESPONSES! While you want to come across as polished and put together, Dean Arias specifically said that the most chilling feedback she could get from an interviewer is "rehearsed responses". Although you need to practice saying things out loud for conciseness and clarity, you should NOT memorize any response word-for-word and the delivery should come across well-spoken but also very natural.

Post Interview:
  • DON'T SEND A THANK YOU EMAIL OR UPDATE LETTER. Seriously, Dean Arias specifically instructs you not to do it.
  • On or after 4/30, you can send a waitlist letter of intent, which I did and that was the only communication I had with them after the interview. What's nice is that Keck screens so hard for their interviews that, unless you did extremely poorly in the interview, you will either be accepted or placed on the waitlist post-interview. Very rarely do they reject you post-interview without putting you on the waitlist first. After you're on the waitlist, it's not ranked and I'm not sure how they select people from it, but I know your interview plays a huge part in the decision to either accept you or reject you post-interview.
 
Oh wow, didn’t know they would have two 1-hour interviews. That seems kinda long
 
Oh wow, didn’t know they would have two 1-hour interviews. That seems kinda long
It goes by fast 🙂 The conversation flows pretty naturally so it doesn't even feel like an hour. I'm not sure what the plan is for with the virtual interviews though. A one hour zoom interview could very well feel like the full hour lol.
 
@galliumspork
Don’t stress about it too much, I doubt something like that would affect your consideration. I feel like it could be more so that they can protect against possible conflict of interest if there are any student interviewers or anyone else involved in the admissions process that you may know.
 
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Thanks! Since they don’t allow updates/corrections/anything, I wonder if I should mention it if interviewed? I’d just really hate to ruin anything by having a different interpretation of the question.
No prob! and yeah I'd say it couldn't hurt to mention it during an interview! you could say that your friend and their positive experience at the school reaffirmed your interest, or something along those lines. If they do ask for their specific name, just message them on fb afterwards haha I'm sure they wouldn't mind putting in a good word on the off chance they are contacted!
 
Has anyone received an R from here? Given that I've been complete since 7/14 I am really worried one is incoming for me

Nah, don't stress way too early for Rs. My coworker last year got II in like Feb. Though she was WL and never heard back....
 
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