2021-2022 Waitlist Support Thread

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highlander11 said:
Ah so now schools are essentially waiting to see how many students plan to enroll at their school out of those who they’ve offered from the waitlist?
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I think so. That is my guess. CTE takes ages to complete. A class isn't filled until every seat has a commit to enroll designated with it. WL stays open until then. which takes ages.
 
highlander11 said:
Ah so now schools are essentially waiting to see how many students plan to enroll at their school out of those who they’ve offered from the waitlist?
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This, AND new vacancies are created every day as people accept WL offers and withdraw from whatever school they are currently PTE at.
 
It’s actually a crime that this process lasts over a year in totality. Obviously the clowns at AAMC have no concern for us common folk, but you would think there would be a more efficient process for all of this by now.
 
KnightDoc said:
This, AND new vacancies are created every day as people accept WL offers and withdraw from whatever school they are currently PTE at.
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Do you think med schools are more prone to bring people of a waitlist that have no other acceptances? Or not? Or is it a case by case basis
 
highlander11 said:
It’s actually a crime that this process lasts over a year in totality. Obviously the clowns at AAMC have no concern for us common folk, but you would think there would be a more efficient process for all of this by now.
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Yup. You're making the mistake we all make in the beginning, and that's thinking the schools care about us at all. They don't. We are just inputs into their MD making machine. There are so many of us relative to the number of available spots that they can get away with treating us however they want.

Some are really great, but others suck. The timeline is geared to when they begin orientation. Not to your need to know whether or not you are going to be a reapplicant, need to work, move on a moment's notice, etc. They don't care, because someone will be willing to do whatever is necessary to fill each of their available seats.

It is what it is, and is a big part of what we refer to as the "sellers' market." Complaining about it isn't going to change anything, because it's their system, designed to meet their needs. AAMC = Association of American Medical Colleges. Not doctors. Not medical students. And certainly not premeds. No, their reason for being is not to have concern for us.
 
ujsc said:
I wonder if they screen out applicants that have PTE...
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Why would they? Maybe a week before orientation, when they need someone to come, immediately. But why would they care now about whether or not the person at the top of their list is PTE elsewhere?
 
^^^ this. Another example of the system taking advantage of people that would literally give their right foot to become a doctor
 
KnightDoc said:
Why would they? Maybe a week before orientation, when they need someone to come, immediately. But why would they care now about whether or not the person at the top of their list is PTE elsewhere?
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Very true. I just wishfully think that they’ll offer me, someone who doesn’t have an acceptance, because they know how desperate I am for an A.
 
highlander11 said:
Do you think med schools are more prone to bring people of a waitlist that have no other acceptances? Or not? Or is it a case by case basis
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Nope. I think at the very end, right before orientation, if there is an opening, that becomes a consideration. But now, I think they are just ranking files and making calls, in some cases maybe taking LOIs into consideration.

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't give their highest ranked person a call, even if they are PTE elsewhere, just because that person might turn them down and they might have to make another call in another week or so. Your observation that this process continues into late May and June is evidence that they are not prioritizing people with no other As.
 
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letmeinpls! said:
Is it too early to ask med schools I’m waitlisted at for feedback on my application? I’m just getting discouraged and feeling like i need to focus on reapplication. Also, would sending a second letter of interest to my top choice do anything to help right now?
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I actually asked the same question earlier in this forum and some wonderful admins provided great answers if you wanted to search back (just a few pages back from this one) TLDR is that you should just try and ask. It won’t look negatively upon you for asking for feedback and can only help (if they’re willing to provide feedback at all). I can’t really speak for your latter question, but with my two cents worth, does you letter of interest have any meaningful updates? Or are you willing to send them a letter of intent (as opposed to interest) since you said it was your top choice?
 
Last year 4 II no A , this year 4 II still no A’s yet! I beginning to think there’s something terribly wrong with me . From top ranked undergrad school with 4.0 ( worked my ass for it) MCAT 520’s. I am an asian not nerdy looking but love sports. I still think there must be something seriously wrong with me.
 
gooddoc55 said:
Last year 4 II no A , this year 4 II still no A’s yet! I beginning to think there’s something terribly wrong with me . From top ranked undergrad school with 4.0 ( worked my ass for it) MCAT 520’s. I am an asian not nerdy looking but love sports. I still think there must be something seriously wrong with me.
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If it doesn't work out this cycle get help from a respectable company for future app's. They will see stuff you are missing!
 
highlander11 said:
Very true. I just wishfully think that they’ll offer me, someone who doesn’t have an acceptance, because they know how desperate I am for an A.
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I hear you, and I truly empathize. It's just that, as with every other part of this process, it's about the schools, not us. So they want whatever it is that they want. The schools that actually care about how anxious or desperate we are actively solicit LOIs and take them into consideration when making decisions. The rest of the schools don't.

I think the most helpful way to look at it is this, which I've posted before. Once schools get down to their class size, each vacancy HAS to result in someone, somewhere, receiving an A who doesn't already have one.

Even if a person receiving a call is PTE elsewhere, they are either going to turn down the A OR give up the PTE school, which will result in someone else receiving a call. And, that someone else could be YOU. As a result, I don't think it's worth sweating about whether or not schools care about whether or not the people they call are PTE elsewhere.
 
gooddoc55 said:
Last year 4 II no A , this year 4 II still no A’s yet! I beginning to think there’s something terribly wrong with me . From top ranked undergrad school with 4.0 ( worked my ass for it) MCAT 520’s. I am an asian not nerdy looking but love sports. I still think there must be something seriously wrong with me.
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Nothing wrong with you, or your app. Otherwise, you wouldn't have received the IIs.

Might be terrible luck. Might be schools with low post-II acceptance rates. Or might be weak interviewing skills, which are definitely fixable with practice. No way to know without more info.
 
gooddoc55 said:
Last year 4 II no A , this year 4 II still no A’s yet! I beginning to think there’s something terribly wrong with me . From top ranked undergrad school with 4.0 ( worked my ass for it) MCAT 520’s. I am an asian not nerdy looking but love sports. I still think there must be something seriously wrong with me.
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i don’t think it’s you being asian or anything like that maybe it’s your school list or lack of clinical hours etc. also could just be how you interview
 
gooddoc55 said:
Last year 4 II no A , this year 4 II still no A’s yet! I beginning to think there’s something terribly wrong with me . From top ranked undergrad school with 4.0 ( worked my ass for it) MCAT 520’s. I am an asian not nerdy looking but love sports. I still think there must be something seriously wrong with me.
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Nothing is wrong with you! You are Amazing and will become a wonderful, caring and compassionate doctor! Don’t think negative about yourself! Everything will work out! You will see! ❤️
 
I totally agree. Stereotypes don't help anyone or anything and are demeaning.
I understand the frustration, however, that is felt and understand where it is coming from.
 
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Another thing that makes this take so long: the AAMC really doesn't enforce any of the traffic rules. Both on premeds, or on schools.

As a result, people often pass the PTE deadline and absolutely nothing happens. This is especially true if people are waiting on financial aid/campus placement. At one of the schools I am WL'd at, WL's didn't go out until the 4th and the campus placement for accepted students didn't even go out until the 6th.
 
Congrats!! I am so happy for you.
 
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anoldmed said:
Joining the manifesting train!! Come on, let me in!!
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Unfortunately, the train capacity is filled. I took the last seat. You will, however, be given the opportunity to be on our alternate list, and we will call you when a spot becomes available!

note: Waitlisted applicants to the Waitlist Manifestation Train are not guaranteed to receive a decision until the first week of class. We thank you for your patience.
 
Reapp97 said:
Unfortunately, the train capacity is filled. I took the last seat. You will, however, be given the opportunity to be on our alternate list, and we will call you when a spot becomes available!

note: Waitlisted applicants to the Waitlist Manifestation Train are not guaranteed to receive a decision until the first week of class. We thank you for your patience.
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Haha... I would have just sent a form to see if they still wanted to stay on the train. Good luck everyone!
 
How long are you guys waiting till going with what you have? I have a couple DO acceptances but I'm on 3 MD WLs that have seen decent movement. Idk how much longer I can continue the hope esp with stats on the lower end (3.5/512), I don't have too much faith
 
Dr. Morbius said:
How long are you guys waiting till going with what you have? I have a couple DO acceptances but I'm on 3 MD WLs that have seen decent movement. Idk how much longer I can continue the hope esp with stats on the lower end (3.5/512), I don't have too much faith
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Why not take it right to the end? People have started DO school and then left when called off a MD WL.
 
medschoolapplicant101. said:
And especially many DO programs are beginning way sooner than MD programs. Roommates and apartments need to be found and paid for. How does it work with apartment deposits, are people going to lose the money in case if there is an acceptance off of a waitlist?
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Yes. People who want it badly enough do what they have to do. Others keep what they have and let the last minute As go to people who want them more. Schools know this, so they do nothing to make it easier for us.
 
medschoolapplicant101. said:
How do they leave if they start classes and process all the loans?
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I haven't done it myself, so I have no first hand experience. My guess would be that whatever is eligible for a refund would be available to be redistributed to you at your new school. The balance would have to be reborrowed as a PLUS loan at a higher rate.

Don't get me wrong. It's a huge PITA and a potentially very significant one time expense. It's not for everyone, and plenty of people just stick with what they have and withdraw from all MD WLs when they start DO school. But, you asked what people do, and that's the answer.
 
Dr. Morbius said:
How long are you guys waiting till going with what you have? I have a couple DO acceptances but I'm on 3 MD WLs that have seen decent movement. Idk how much longer I can continue the hope esp with stats on the lower end (3.5/512), I don't have too much faith
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Personally I'm gonna wait until the end of this month to make some real moves. I'm on 4 MD WLs and if I don't get accepted from any of them by June 1st I will start apartment hunting and all that for my DO program. If something happens in June then I may still jump ship and potentially lose an apartment deposit lol but I feel like the highest chances of people getting off the WL would be this month so that's why I'm still holding out.
 
spinalcordstimmy said:
Personally I'm gonna wait until the end of this month to make some real moves. I'm on 4 MD WLs and if I don't get accepted from any of them by June 1st I will start apartment hunting and all that for my DO program. If something happens in June then I may still jump ship and potentially lose an apartment deposit lol but I feel like the highest chances of people getting off the WL would be this month so that's why I'm still holding out.
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yeah i decided to do the same thing
 
medschoolapplicant101. said:
When is the orientation/first day of classes at your DO programs? How late can you switch your loans without losing %?
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The issue isn't switching loans. The issue is getting refunds for tuition paid, and that will vary according to whatever the policy is at each school.

My understanding is that any refund would go back to the government, and would then be available for you to borrow again at the new school, up to the limit for unsubsidized loans (typically $42,722, but will vary based on how many months the M1 year is at your school, less whatever amount was non-refundable).

The money you lose is whatever you paid that is non-refundable. The only connection to the loan is that amount will not be available for you to borrow under the unsubsidized federal direct loan program at the new school, and yet you will still owe it to the government because you borrowed it at the first school.

How late you can go is whatever deadline is set by the school before some or all of the tuition paid becomes non-refundable. Just like each sets its own policy for how much you have to pay, and when, as a non-refundable deposit, the same will be true for the first semester tuition. You'd have to check with each school to get an accurate answer.
 
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Also manifesting this waitlist train! Similar boat. few MD Waitlists, minimal movement at all of them. Also stats on the lower end so starting to lose hope but trying to remain optimistic. Got into a DO school a few months ago but I think I'll give it to the first weekend of June to start apartment hunting and all that. One thing that frustrates me is putting in a ton of effort into submitting updates and letter of intent, only to find out someone got accepted off the WL who didn't submit anything lol. But, can only be happy for those people still!

Honestly, the whole process is so stressful. This process really makes you doubt yourself and I've started to even consider just going into a tech job and work for that nice software life and salary lmao. But, gotta stay focused and do what we can. We'll all be great doctors in the end.
 
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KnightDoc said:
I haven't done it myself, so I have no first hand experience. My guess would be that whatever is eligible for a refund would be available to be redistributed to you at your new school. The balance would have to be reborrowed as a PLUS loan at a higher rate.

Don't get me wrong. It's a huge PITA and a potentially very significant one time expense. It's not for everyone, and plenty of people just stick with what they have and withdraw from all MD WLs when they start DO school. But, you asked what people do, and that's the answer.
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It especially sucks because my school starts VERY early and the prospect of
going to orientation and starting school only to have to move, break lease, etc is frustrating to say the least.
 
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