2024-2025 Waitlist Support and Manifestation Thread

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scrubadubdub23 said:
I think this is typical. A lot of movement end of april/beginning of May, and then some batches of acceptances til mid June, then limited movement after that.
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my schools said till Mid July and End of July they expect movement

April may didn't even feel like they began to look at the waitlist
 
Does anyone know how financial aid works when (notice how I didn’t say “if”, lol) we get accepted this late at the cycle? Curious what the process/timeline usually looks like.
 
Question, if I CTE now to one school does that mean I lose my WL position at the other MD school?
 
I've seen what this thread has done for others so, here's my manifestation: I will get accepted off the waitlist at my top in-state school this week. I will become the best doctor I can be, and provide exceptional care to all patients I come in contact with.
 
Manifesting that this will be OUR week to get pulled of the WL and get that A! Pick me, choose me 😭🥹🙏

Also, a reminder that we are ALL deserving of an A. This entire process is brutal. Definitely not for the weak so be proud of how far you've come. 💪
 
Did anyone experience a super long wait for your transcripts? My schools say that AMCAS has received and downloaded them, but AMCAS says they have not been received. I don’t know what to do other than wait…
 
tr4mmy said:
Did anyone experience a super long wait for your transcripts? My schools say that AMCAS has received and downloaded them, but AMCAS says they have not been received. I don’t know what to do other than wait…
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For Amcas no but I did for the DO application. But it does take a couple of days for AMCAS to update so I wouldn't worry!
 
Manifesting to be pulled off of my one waitlist. Hoping for a miracle like the Pacers
Yell Nba Playoffs GIF by NBA
 
ayecheckthisout said:
Is it bad that I havent started DO primary yet? AMCAS submitted and already verified tho so thats going at least.
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Also haven’t submitted my AACOMAS yet. First time applying DO but I’ve heard that most people usually finish their MD secondaries and then do their DO ones
 
Unfortunately I am gonna submit my reapplication soon...

I was wondering the best way to go about this financially? I am currently on a few waitlists right now so I am still holding out hope for them while getting ready to resubmit my primaries.

Should I just send out a primary to one school? That way I don't have to pay the $$$ for a comprehensive list? And then can I add schools to my primary afterwards? Just trying to figure out the smartest way to go about this process where I can potentially get off a waitlist and not waste thousands of dollars on sending my primary out to like 40 schools.

Thanks in advance for any advice stay strong WL warriors 💪
 
stairwayto7 said:
question - how realistic is it to get pulled off the WL after the school's CTE date? i'm really trying to hold onto some hope here 😭
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It’s realistic, but nobody can tell u “how” realistic or give u percentages. That said, the probability decreases as summer continues to progress. So, yes, it is realistic and students do get in all the way up to the star of classes, but that doesn’t mean it is likely for most of the people still on WL
 
stairwayto7 said:
question - how realistic is it to get pulled off the WL after the school's CTE date? i'm really trying to hold onto some hope here 😭
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Some schools may also provide their students with an update if you email. Some schools are transparent while others are not. Umich has responded to student's emails about approximate WL movement and has told students in feedback appointments. Meanwhile, Wayne has refused to say anything about their WL. It really is entirely up to you if you want to ask, but I believe at this point in the cycle applicants deserve clarity and there is nothing to lose if you email and politely ask to start planning the next steps for your future.
 
Any insight on why there seems to be little WL movement this year? Currently sitting at WL at UCLA, UCSF, and Stanford (0 acceptances) but none of them seem to have had much movement… Im assuming that there needs to be movement at the T5/10/20 at this point to cascade into a spot opening at one of these schools. Does that seem likely or is it really just if someone decides not to matriculate at all this cycle at this point?

Edited to say CTE for UCLA was June 2nd and I think CTEs for UCSF/Stanford are in early July
 
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jtanner99 said:
Any insight on why there seems to be little WL movement this year? Currently sitting at WL at UCLA, UCSF, and Stanford (0 acceptances) but none of them seem to have had much movement… Im assuming that there needs to be movement at the T5/10/20 at this point to cascade into a spot opening at one of these schools. Does that seem likely or is it really just if someone decides not to matriculate at all this cycle at this point?
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Those schools have all historically taken students off the waitlist except Stanford. I’m not sure if we can say there is lower WL movement in general, but there is a trend at top programs (Umich for example has said they aren’t taking anyone off the WL this year and has asked students to defer their A as they overfilled their class).
As for future movement, there is always hope but is pretty unlikely as these top programs send out any A’s they still have early and since they’re top schools people usually take them. Could be a cascade but talking to a few ADCOMS things seemed settled for the upcoming year. Don’t know when CTE is for those programs but that would be around the last of the movement.
Pulling for you to get an A, I know what it’s like to interview at top places with no A and not receive love from lower tier programs for some reason.
 
jtanner99 said:
Any insight on why there seems to be little WL movement this year? Currently sitting at WL at UCLA, UCSF, and Stanford (0 acceptances) but none of them seem to have had much movement… Im assuming that there needs to be movement at the T5/10/20 at this point to cascade into a spot opening at one of these schools. Does that seem likely or is it really just if someone decides not to matriculate at all this cycle at this point?
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I've had students get off the WL pretty late in the cycle at UCLA in the past. At this point, yes, it's someone dropping from their spot which is less common once deposits have been put down but can still happen. I went to UCLA myself and during my orientation, I talked to someone who was debating another program. I never saw them again after that, so clearly they made their choice
 
HI Everybody! I was on four waitlists and have bowed out. I know it is very late and all but maybe it can help someone else. You never know. Good luck to you all!
 
ayecheckthisout said:
Potentially. Still deciding if I want to reapply instead, but already sent in primaries. I want to go into ortho lso that’s why I want MD
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I’d be open to any specialty I enjoy I shadowed and had a good interest for EM and Path. So I think DO is okay for me. But I was wary and asked Reddit they told me if I didn’t take my DO A I’d be blacklisted from DOs and if my MD reapp didn’t accomplish an A I would be screwed from being a physician.
 
ayecheckthisout said:
Potentially. Still deciding if I want to reapply instead, but already sent in primaries. I want to go into ortho lso that’s why I want MD
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wheattrout said:
I’d be open to any specialty I enjoy I shadowed and had a good interest for EM and Path. So I think DO is okay for me. But I was wary and asked Reddit they told me if I didn’t take my DO A I’d be blacklisted from DOs and if my MD reapp didn’t accomplish an A I would be screwed from being a physician.
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i'm also stuck in this boat lol i want to do a basically MD-exclusive specialty, and i have the connections for it at the school that i am WL at, just unsure if i want to take the risk
 
ayecheckthisout said:
anyone have thoughts on reapplying instead of taking DO A? I want to go into a very MD favorable specialty and with DO it just seems statistically insanely difficult to achieve.
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this is the same thing i tell everyone who is in this situation:

1. what’s more important to you? being a doctor or matching into the specialty you’re gunning for? similarly, what’s more important to you? being a doctor or the letters after your name? would you rather be a doctor in a different specialty or not a doctor at all?

2. without knowing your situation, it’s hard to say. but unless you think you just genuinely got unlucky or did something majorly wrong this cycle (think submitting in february, not having LOR until super late, submitting a 1000 character PS, etc) and have a clear cut way to fix that, and your stats are stellar (515+, 3.8+, at the low end), is turning down the DO worth the risk of never being a doctor? because with average stats or below, that’s a very real possibility. it’s 40-50% chance of acceptance for an average stat applicant, and you’d be a re-applicant (in some situations that doesn’t necessarily hurt you, but i’m hard pressed to think of any situation where that would help you).

3. turning down the DO acceptance, regardless of the reason, will hurt you at at least some schools. some schools may understand the reason, some may not. wouldn’t matter for MD, but that’s not super relevant.

4. assuming the specialty of choice is something like ortho or similar: it is absolutely possible as a DO. it’s like 50% match rate, but it’s very possible if you do what you need to do to match and apply to realistic programs. it definitely won’t be easy, but many DOs do it every year and it’s becoming more realistic as the stigma (which does still exist for matching) gradually fades, as it seems to do each year. not to mention there’s always other specialities if you don’t wanna grind that hard.

5. being a DO isn’t a bad thing. the education is identical. both result in physician. is it annoying to learn extra material? sure. is it annoying to take 2 board exams? definitely. does it suck that the match rate is lower for competitive specialties? yeah. but we take what we can get. some people just genuinely don’t have much chance for MD. some people genuinely get unlucky. guarantee those 512+ applicants who are going DO this year are happy they got in somewhere. prestige is great, but let’s be real: most doctors are practicing clinical medicine in community hospitals. most of us want to learn medicine and help patients. it’s our dream. for some, it’s about prestige and money. most of all, it should be about the patients.

6. know your priorities and the decision shouldn’t be too difficult. you have to make the decision for yourself knowing the consequences of your actions either way. only you know how you feel and what’s gonna make you happy. it’s a big decision, so make the right one.

7. and lastly, if you want my “thoughts” as a direct answer to your question: it would be completely stupid.

best of luck.
 
Had to commit to my second choice school even though I was in the “top third” of the WL at my top choice school. Super disappointed with the lack of waitlist movement but incredibly grateful that I got in at all. Good luck to you all, I hope someone eventually figures out why this year had SO little WL movement
 
ayecheckthisout said:
anyone have thoughts on reapplying instead of taking DO A? I want to go into a very MD favorable specialty and with DO it just seems statistically insanely difficult to achieve. I have AMCAS primary submitted already and already prewriting secondaries so I’m ahead of the game but still on the fence about all this. I also have really good reason to clear my name of any bad influence from reapplying due to certain personal hardships from this past year. This MD WL I’m on seems pretty much gone at this point given I was told the class is full for the school.
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I don't want to come off as mean, but if you couldn't get the MD A, why do you think you'd be able to grind to the top and match the most competitive specialties?

You should take the A. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If you work hard enough you could match it, but if the goal is to be a doctor you should go.
 
DrDrDrDr2022 said:
I don't want to come off as mean, but if you couldn't get the MD A, why do you think you'd be able to grind to the top and match the most competitive specialties?

You should take the A. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If you work hard enough you could match it, but if the goal is to be a doctor you should go.
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Tbf, people’s undergrad and med school performances can differ a lot. Plenty of DO students who had lower stats when applying to med school come out of med school with a higher Step 2 than the average MD. It might b a slight indicator, but not getting off one of ur MD waitlists does not mean u don’t have the capacity to go into ortho. My brother in law was low stats in undergrad and got off the waitlist to MD school 1 week before classes… he’s an ortho resident right now.
 
scrubadubdub23 said:
Tbf, people’s undergrad and med school performances can differ a lot. Plenty of DO students who had lower stats when applying to med school come out of med school with a higher Step 2 than the average MD. It might b a slight indicator, but not getting off one of ur MD waitlists does not mean u don’t have the capacity to go into ortho. My brother in law was low stats in undergrad and got off the waitlist to MD school 1 week before classes… he’s an ortho resident right now.
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I didn't say it doesn't mean that you can't do it. I'm simply saying that beggars can't be choosers.

Declining a guaranteed A to maybe get something better next year is not recommended.


ayecheckthisout said:
Because the student I am today isn’t the student I was 4 or 5 years ago in undergrad. And you can’t erase grades.
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Sure, but med school is even more competitive than just getting in. I have friends who were at the top of their undergrad who are now just middle of the pack in med school. At the end of the day if you are the type of person who is driven enough, you could attend this school and do what you want with hard work.
 
DrDrDrDr2022 said:
I didn't say it doesn't mean that you can't do it. I'm simply saying that beggars can't be choosers.

Declining a guaranteed A to maybe get something better next year is not recommended.



Sure, but med school is even more competitive than just getting in. I have friends who were at the top of their undergrad who are now just middle of the pack in med school. At the end of the day if you are the type of person who is driven enough, you could attend this school and do what you want with hard work.
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I agree… he/she should definitely go DO and not look back unless they have significantly improved their app
 
ayecheckthisout said:
anyone have thoughts on reapplying instead of taking DO A? I want to go into a very MD favorable specialty and with DO it just seems statistically insanely difficult to achieve. I have AMCAS primary submitted already and already prewriting secondaries so I’m ahead of the game but still on the fence about all this. I also have really good reason to clear my name of any bad influence from reapplying due to certain personal hardships from this past year. This MD WL I’m on seems pretty much gone at this point given I was told the class is full for the school.
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While u can certainly have a feeling that you really want to be an Orthopedic surgeon, u haven’t even started first year of med school. While this is a high possibility that u still love the idea of it after rotations, I think u will also fall in love some other things (maybe gen surgery, maybe anesthesia, etc.) that are much more DO friendly. Then u can dual apply residency, so if u don’t get into ortho, u have a good shot at whatever ur back up is.
 
ayecheckthisout said:
Because the student I am today isn’t the student I was 4 or 5 years ago in undergrad. And you can’t erase grades.
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If it is only speciality related, then you should take the DO and just work your ass off in school to make up for any stigma still around for DO’s. If it is for research purposes, if you want to pursue academic medicine, or if you were already competitive for MD (which means multiple interviews or at least 1-2 T20s) then there is feasible reason to apply MD. However, basing it solely off a specialty you don’t even know for sure you want to do, I would advise against it (coming from someone who has gone through 4 cycles wishing I could choose a DO).

Edit: Plus to even get interviews schools will want to significant growth from your application, even the ones you already interviewed at. If you’ve added publications, hundreds of hours, and awards during the cycle that would help your chances as well, but it DOES need to be an entirely new app/story.
 
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ayecheckthisout said:
I do have most of those things listed in your edit. Only interviewed at 1 MD so not much to have to worry about there. Added close to 1000-1500 hours, and a publication (case series). Brand new personal statement and an entirely new WA explanations. Didn’t improve GPA 3.5x and MCAT 511 tho.

I want the high earning potential of the competitive specialities. I know this may be seen as some kind of taboo and quite frankly I think that’s BS. This whole thing about not making medicine about the money is a load of BS bc we all know that is a big reason why we’re going into it. Doctors earn much more than the average person and the stability is great. We’re putting ourselves through all this debt and years of delayed gratification. Also the DO school I got into happens to be one of the most expensive in the country. That’s an issue of its own. Why would I not want to take the biggest piece of the pie? So I’m aiming high for those top specialties and not settling for less. Not because I think they’re worse, I just want to make the extra money. At the end of the day I want to be a doctor and see patients, but some extra cash makes a huge difference. It’s not all about the money for me. But who doesn’t want more money? We all have bills to pay and a certain life we want to live.
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Imma be honest with you, those stats aren’t especially high to turn down a DO in this application era. Only having one MD interview shows you were gatekept before the actual interview so schools don’t wanna take the risk on you. Unless your school list was really bad last cycle, I don’t know if things change for you.

You also talk a lot about money, which is kinda yucky to me. A lot of people go into the field for money, but they don’t last. If finances are what drives you, there are so many better fields that compensate equally with a better work life balance. Also just weird that’s what is driving you…? You could have written a paragraph about your passion for working in that specific specialty, but choose to talk about money instead. ADCOMS pick up on that and after interviewing PhD students myself it’s easy to tell.

In the end it’s your decision, but your stats and the way you talk about the field by putting money first make me think you should really just take that DO A. If you’re not the same student you were earlier like you said and work your ass off you’ll get a specialty you want, regardless.
 
ayecheckthisout said:
I do have most of those things listed in your edit. Only interviewed at 1 MD so not much to have to worry about there. Added close to 1000-1500 hours, and a publication (case series). Brand new personal statement and an entirely new WA explanations. Didn’t improve GPA 3.5x and MCAT 511 tho.

I want the high earning potential of the competitive specialities. I know this may be seen as some kind of taboo and quite frankly I think that’s BS. This whole thing about not making medicine about the money is a load of BS bc we all know that is a big reason why we’re going into it. Doctors earn much more than the average person and the stability is great. We’re putting ourselves through all this debt and years of delayed gratification. Also the DO school I got into happens to be one of the most expensive in the country. That’s an issue of its own. Why would I not want to take the biggest piece of the pie? So I’m aiming high for those top specialties and not settling for less. Not because I think they’re worse, I just want to make the extra money. At the end of the day I want to be a doctor and see patients, but some extra cash makes a huge difference. It’s not all about the money for me. But who doesn’t want more money? We all have bills to pay and a certain life we want to live.
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Brother, u can make a lot of guap in basically anything but primary care. Anesthesia can easily make 500k+, and I personally know anesthesiologists who have made 1mil+ in the past (private practice, pain management). And anesthesia residency is a whole lot better than surgery. And there are many other specialities where this is true also. EM can even make 500k+ if u r taking a bunch of shifts and 400k is typical. I understand that compensation is something to consider, and I think it is a good reason for some people wanting to avoid primary care… but the fact is u don’t need to go into ortho, plastics, or neurosurgery to make killing. Find something that u love to do, and I promise u will be extremely financially comfortable. Like I said, if u do peds or primary care, ur not gonna make a killings… but soooo many other specialities you will.
 
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