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Something that I should probably admit right now is that I do enjoy attempting some smoke and mirrors-type crap on occasion. I'm also aware it is an obnoxious strategy for others to deal with/work around, and I'm sorry about that, but I think it has value in certain settings.

We still have all afternoon and evening to go here, but to cut through some of the sneaky sneak, I'll tell you that I have a rather large village point for genny at the moment.

That said, it's not completely irrefutable, and I admittedly would like to go back and read some stuff a bit later and hope to do so, but as of now, most of my other reads are keyed on that one.

And before people get mad at me for withholding information...I'm not trying to make anyone feel stupid, I'm simply trying to reason through things myself.

You all can even consider this a warning to re-evaluate whether it's a good idea to be voting with me rn, because I could easily be down a rabbit hole again lol
 
PippyPony said:
Something that I should probably admit right now is that I do enjoy attempting some smoke and mirrors-type crap on occasion. I'm also aware it is an obnoxious strategy for others to deal with/work around, and I'm sorry about that, but I think it has value in certain settings.

We still have all afternoon and evening to go here, but to cut through some of the sneaky sneak, I'll tell you that I have a rather large village point for genny at the moment.

That said, it's not completely irrefutable, and I admittedly would like to go back and read some stuff a bit later and hope to do so, but as of now, most of my other reads are keyed on that one.

And before people get mad at me for withholding information...I'm not trying to make anyone feel stupid, I'm simply trying to reason through things myself.

You all can even consider this a warning to re-evaluate whether it's a good idea to be voting with me rn, because I could easily be down a rabbit hole again lol
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If you actually have a legitimate villager point for her I will back down. But do you see why it’s frustrating when nobody else knows anything and it’s wolfy to try and get the information that you need to have to make an informed vote? I get there may be reasons you’re withholding but if you’re playing with 8 cards and I only have 2 I’m going to say some ‘wolfy’ things to try and get more information to make a better decision. If I were a wolf I’d probably believe that genny was a protector and I wouldn’t touch her with a 10 foot pole. But I DONT know that so I’m having to do kinda stupid things.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
I’m also not a desperate wolf on thread. I give more of a **** as a villager.
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FWIW I think you give a **** and try your best regardless, which is something I admire a lot about you as a player and a person

I will concede that you sound more anxious than you usually do as a wolf, but I have a hard time knowing how to interpret that. 🙁
 
PippyPony said:
FWIW I think you give a **** and try your best regardless, which is something I admire a lot about you as a player and a person

I will concede that you sound more anxious than you usually do as a wolf, but I have a hard time knowing how to interpret that. 🙁
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Well thank you for that.

When I have all the information I’m less anxious. This may not matter for this game but it will matter for others. I also get pissier when I’m lynched as a villager because it’s me being as legitimate as I can be and I get frustrated :laugh:
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
If you actually have a legitimate villager point for her I will back down.
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See fine print:
PippyPony said:
You all can even consider this a warning to re-evaluate whether it's a good idea to be voting with me rn, because I could easily be down a rabbit hole again lol
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Caveat emptor

mizchiefmanaged said:
But do you see why it’s frustrating when nobody else knows anything and it’s wolfy to try and get the information that you need to have to make an informed vote? I get there may be reasons you’re withholding but if you’re playing with 8 cards and I only have 2 I’m going to say some ‘wolfy’ things to try and get more information to make a better decision. If I were a wolf I’d probably believe that genny was a protector and I wouldn’t touch her with a 10 foot pole. But I DONT know that so I’m having to do kinda stupid things.
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I do see why it's frustrating. If this were someone else who was trying to do this to me (your SO being a prime example of someone who gets told to **** off for stuff like this), I would be going bananas and probably lynching them for obstruction of information.

I'm thinking about it, I may say more later. Right now I have to watch some lectures so I don't waste the whole day and get behind again.
 
In the meantime, @genny what's your read on Mutts and why

Edit to add: specifically, walk me through your D4 votes again please. They look horrible in retrospect, and Ziggy liked almost every single one of your posts about it.
 
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PippyPony said:
I have a rather large village point for genny at the moment.
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:naughty:

PippyPony said:
In the meantime, @genny what's your read on Mutts and why

Edit to add: specifically, walk me through your D4 votes again please. They look horrible in retrospect, and Ziggy liked almost every single one of your posts about it.
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D4.... I didn't have a particularly wolfy read on kras. So I voted for mutts because she was one of the people I did have a wolfy lean on, and because you'd voted for her already. When mayo jumped on that vote really quickly after I voted, it made me spooked, and I thought it was the start of a wolfy push to get kras out of lynch. So I switched to mayo to keep the margin in kras's favor (which I explained the math for afterwards).

I was reading mutts as village at the beginning of the day based on Day 5 and Day 8 votes, and then when you asked me about Day 4 I reread that day and now I'm all freaked out again, particularly with the way ZJ interacted with mutts.
 
mizchiefmanaged said:
Welp then you can’t read me. If this is lylo that’s a pity for village. I don’t do things like that as a wolf, pip. And you just saw me wolf. I will bus bus bus bus bus but I willl NOT sit on a wolf lynch a complain about it. Nobody was even around to flip at that point except for maybe genny.
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If yesterday wasn't lylo (you claim this is confirmed) and we lynched a wolf yesterday, and no one died overnight. How could it be lylo today? Mylo I think is the closest it gets.

7 yesterday, not *ylo according to miz
That means it can't be 3:4, so it was probably 2:5

We lynch sov. They go into last night with 1:5

6 today, one wolf down from yesterday (unless there is a convert)

Today it is either
1:5
Or
2:4

(if the latter is the case, I wonder if we could no lynch today and do that by majority and wait for pippys item to take effect) --if we can't do majority then this obviously isnt a valid strategy.

I'm flattered that you guys think I'd make a good convert choice lol but alas. I'm a panic-er and I've never been a convert/probably wouldn't want to be one.

Plus, hunting for converts when there isn't even evidence that one happened sounds like something that can happen tomorrow, after we go after the original.

I think it could be miz, but I want to look at yesterday's discussion with me about who his partners are/who it doesn't make sense to be. I specifically remember talking about that.

We also have 3 wolves down so looking at VCA could be a good thing for me to try.

There also must be some hidden mechanism/power for how the wolves knew vanilla from non-vanilla, so I want to go over those posts again to see if I find something

So now I ask those who have run games before, if running a 23 person game with 5 wolves to start is unlikely, then how is adding another wolf midgame and causing it to turn into *ylo unexpectedly early not unlikely? It means the same number of wolves, anyway.

What I'm saying is, I agree that it is probably a bluff, but today lynch should be treated as seriously as we would at lylo regardless.


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genny said:
:naughty:
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I don't really know how to super spy as well as some people so I'll just ask -- do you know what I am talking about, and can you potentially give some indication on the DL if you do? (Rather than confirming outright)

Because I'm a little tiny bit concerned I have been giving you village points for a while now that you don't deserve.
 
mypetmoose said:
If yesterday wasn't lylo (you claim this is confirmed) and we lynched a wolf yesterday, and no one died overnight. How could it be lylo today? Mylo I think is the closest it gets.

7 yesterday, not *ylo according to miz
That means it can't be 3:4, so it was probably 2:5

We lynch sov. They go into last night with 1:5

6 today, one wolf down from yesterday (unless there is a convert)

Today it is either
1:5
Or
2:4

(if the latter is the case, I wonder if we could no lynch today and do that by majority and wait for pippys item to take effect) --if we can't do majority then this obviously isnt a valid strategy.

I'm flattered that you guys think I'd make a good convert choice lol but alas. I'm a panic-er and I've never been a convert/probably wouldn't want to be one.

Plus, hunting for converts when there isn't even evidence that one happened sounds like something that can happen tomorrow, after we go after the original.

I think it could be miz, but I want to look at yesterday's discussion with me about who his partners are/who it doesn't make sense to be. I specifically remember talking about that.

We also have 3 wolves down so looking at VCA could be a good thing for me to try.

There also must be some hidden mechanism/power for how the wolves knew vanilla from non-vanilla, so I want to go over those posts again to see if I find something

So now I ask those who have run games before, if running a 23 person game with 5 wolves to start is unlikely, then how is adding another wolf midgame and causing it to turn into *ylo unexpectedly early not unlikely? It means the same number of wolves, anyway.

What I'm saying is, I agree that it is probably a bluff, but today lynch should be treated as seriously as we would at lylo regardless.


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If we mislynch today and there are 2 wolves then it’s 3v:2w going into tonight. If they kill, it’s 2:2 and game over.

If there is a second wolf it’s a convert. I’m still waiting for night write up.

ETA: or waiting for mod confirmation 😢
Double edit: actually I think you’re saying the same thing I am but in a different way.
 
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PippyPony said:
Something that I should probably admit right now is that I do enjoy attempting some smoke and mirrors-type crap on occasion. I'm also aware it is an obnoxious strategy for others to deal with/work around, and I'm sorry about that, but I think it has value in certain settings.

We still have all afternoon and evening to go here, but to cut through some of the sneaky sneak, I'll tell you that I have a rather large village point for genny at the moment.

That said, it's not completely irrefutable, and I admittedly would like to go back and read some stuff a bit later and hope to do so, but as of now, most of my other reads are keyed on that one.

And before people get mad at me for withholding information...I'm not trying to make anyone feel stupid, I'm simply trying to reason through things myself.

You all can even consider this a warning to re-evaluate whether it's a good idea to be voting with me rn, because I could easily be down a rabbit hole again lol
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Are you willing to clear things up before close? I understand that some things should remain secret but like, this could be the end. And if it's not, and we make it to tomorrow, you NEED to share then.

We are getting to the point where this is advantageous to village to have clarity on who is strongly village. Wolves have one night kill opportunity, and there is a solid chance that there is only one wolf left/if we catch them, its game over.

And if you still think it's a bad idea, then just...If you come to the conclusion that your rather large village point for genny gets even bigger or like needs to be bolded or have an exclamation point or something, let us know.

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PippyPony said:
@cubsrule4e what time is bowling

@mizchiefmanaged @muttmanager @mypetmoose @genny what are your thoughts on cubs?
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I’ve largely felt pretty good about him. Him not immediately jumping on an ‘I’d SOV is wolf then miz is next obviou wolf’ when like three people were going down that road and actually starting discussion involving other options was interesting to me and read village. PMing would make a decent wolf role and I’ve seen it done but he’s read pretty village (not that my reads have been any good this game).
 
PippyPony said:
Interesting, what made you suggest this?
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You couldn't have been blocked last night. You suggested that someone could confirm you sent out an item. I don't know what said item might be, but I have hope that it would be helpful for village lol

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mypetmoose said:
There also must be some hidden mechanism/power for how the wolves knew vanilla from non-vanilla, so I want to go over those posts again to see if I find something
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1. Afaik the non-vanilla/vanilla thing was made up out of my own damn head -- when SOV first posted results, it was on D5 and I believe all of those claims were already on the thread/people were dead...with the exception of Miz claiming vanilla.

But someone should probably double check that timeline tbh. She later got upset with me (and Mutts) on the thread because I believed SOV's "results" but suspected her a bit, which she interpreted as my assertion she was the blocker, so she didn't like the inconsistency.

2. Why do you believe wolves knew vanilla from non-vanilla?

mypetmoose said:
So now I ask those who have run games before, if running a 23 person game with 5 wolves to start is unlikely
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I think a 23 person game with 5 wolves and a 3rd party is wolf-sided. However, I typically err on the side of fewer wolves (I think at one point I did like 15% wolves 85% village or something) with better roles (and even then get complaints from wolves and somehow they still win my games about 50% of the time)

mypetmoose said:
then how is adding another wolf midgame and causing it to turn into *ylo unexpectedly early not unlikely? It means the same number of wolves, anyway.
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I'm confused about this -- are you asking why conversions exist as a thing?
 
mypetmoose said:
your rather large village point for genny gets even bigger
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i think she's supposed to seek medical attention if it lasts longer than 4 hours

PippyPony said:


I don't really know how to super spy as well as some people so I'll just ask -- do you know what I am talking about, and can you potentially give some indication on the DL if you do? (Rather than confirming outright)

Because I'm a little tiny bit concerned I have been giving you village points for a while now that you don't deserve.
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I have no idea what you're talking about lol
 
So if not lylo or *ylo then no convert and there was either trickery involved or wolves tried to attack someone that was protected. That’s all I’ve got.
 
PippyPony said:
:lame: :lame: :lame: :lame:

We only have 3 people voting? So, 50% at less than 3 hours from lynch?

@mizchiefmanaged @cubsrule4e @mypetmoose you've all been here on and off, what is the hesitation with placing a vote?
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because the leader is the third on my list of 3 but you’re claiming you have village points on genny.

why do you keep making life altering bets that mutts is wolf but then never lynch there?

lynch miz for consolidation but I will keep checking back in as I can
 
cubsrule4e said:
because the leader is the third on my list of 3 but you’re claiming you have village points on genny.

why do you keep making life altering bets that mutts is wolf but then never lynch there?

lynch miz for consolidation but I will keep checking back in as I can
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😕 vote for who you want. you want to vote for me, go for it.
 
PippyPony said:
1. Afaik the non-vanilla/vanilla thing was made up out of my own damn head -- when SOV first posted results, it was on D5 and I believe all of those claims were already on the thread/people were dead...with the exception of Miz claiming vanilla.

But someone should probably double check that timeline tbh. She later got upset with me (and Mutts) on the thread because I believed SOV's "results" but suspected her a bit, which she interpreted as my assertion she was the blocker, so she didn't like the inconsistency.

2. Why do you believe wolves knew vanilla from non-vanilla?


I think a 23 person game with 5 wolves and a 3rd party is wolf-sided. However, I typically err on the side of fewer wolves (I think at one point I did like 15% wolves 85% village or something) with better roles (and even then get complaints from wolves and somehow they still win my games about 50% of the time)


I'm confused about this -- are you asking why conversions exist as a thing?
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1. Oh lol

2. Because it seemed like no one argued otherwise-- miz and genny never went against what he said-- and genny never stated on thread whether she had a PR or not, and miz was looked at night one. Actually, typing this out like this makes me more confident that our wolf is miz.

part 3/4-- That makes sense. And not exactly. I just meant that if we are pretty sure that there wouldn't be 5 wolves, why is conversion any different when it still makes 5 wolves. Anyway, disproven, nvm.

lynch miz

Point two makes me feel really good about this.
 
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