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[raf2769]

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I'm going to lynch weim again.
Just still have residual feels there for everything that happened last night.

could also go for a dolphin lynch, because of the timing of coming on right after lynch and being sorry that the person he/she lynched almost actually got lynched. a little too much wishy washy backtracking for me.

In general would like to hear more from weim, dolphin, genny, allie, and sporty today.

I'm unfortunately not going to be around most of the day, but I'll check in on my phone when I can and should be back before lynch close tonight.

 

[Skimble]

While I totally disagree with weim about ties, I was reading her likely village yesterday. Would have been a bad move to attract so much attention D1.

lynch bj

For now, until I can get back on after clinics today. (1st day of exotics! Whooooo!!!) Lynching BJ for some mild weirdness yesterday.

 

[Animal Midwife]

idk I actually kind of liked the merp merp lol

Do wolves say derpy things like merp merp? I am not sure

...I am sure I need to go to bed, though. Like, an hour ago. lol

Merp is NAI for Weim.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial D2 Lynch Tally

MJ (1) - AM
bryndi (2) - dolphin, Skim
Weim (1) - raf

4/15
lynch close in 12 hours

 

[WeimMama]

**** is it too late to unlynch

###unlycn WM###

I was just reading back and this uncomfortably reminded me of the one game where wolf cray got fake-frazzled in the last few seconds before lynch like that


I am wondering about the choice of snowy as a wolf kill... she already has some suspicion on her so I’m not sure why they would have gone for her

 

[PippyPony]

Lynch cheat

Would like to hear some analysis today vs just a single vote

 

[allieh8607]

I was just reading back and this uncomfortably reminded me of the one game where wolf cray got fake-frazzled in the last few seconds before lynch like that


I am wondering about the choice of snowy as a wolf kill... she already has some suspicion on her so I’m not sure why they would have gone for her

I agree about the Cray thing...I know she's not in EST time zone but still...there were 2 whole minutes left in the lynch and I thought it was a little silly to be spending that time asking if it was too late to unlynch vs just doing it

 

[WeimMama]

I agree about the Cray thing...I know she's not in EST time zone but still...there were 2 whole minutes left in the lynch and I thought it was a little silly to be spending that time asking if it was too late to unlynch vs just doing it

Yup and then changing her vote in a way that made no impact followed by all the “oh darn” stuff is so similar to what happened in that other game

 

[Crayola227]

I was just reading back and this uncomfortably reminded me of the one game where wolf cray got fake-frazzled in the last few seconds before lynch like that


I am wondering about the choice of snowy as a wolf kill... she already has some suspicion on her so I’m not sure why they would have gone for her

um, OK, except my move actually put less people on the chopping block, including you. Hardly wolfy waffling there, especially if I'd been on my game about then choosing someone to lynch.

If I was wolf and one of my buddies was up for lynch in that tie (and enough were in the tie that could certainly be the case just going off statistics) I make it more likely for a buddy to die by taking it from an RNG of 4 to an RNG of 3.

Unless your theory is that I'm a wolf and you're a wolf and I was trying to protect you? How does that even make sense for you to put forth? Your theory that what I did was wolfy doesn't work unless we supposed we are both wolves. OK I'm not following this logic.

I have enough track record of ****ing these things up as village. As a wolf, I quite honestly try to stay out of ties these days.


perhaps they went for snowy because her behavior made them think she had a PR? or was a mason? besides shiggles and such that's often a wolf motivator in their choices, even if they end up wrong that could have been their reasoning

 

[Crayola227]

This presupposes that for some reason didn't want you to die, but had a vested interest in the 3 up for lynch to die? I don't get it. I guess if I was a wolf and I had a stronger suspicion of Pippy, MJ, or Stagg being a PR over you, it might make sense.

No, it doesn't make sense.

 

[Crayola227]

I agree about the Cray thing...I know she's not in EST time zone but still...there were 2 whole minutes left in the lynch and I thought it was a little silly to be spending that time asking if it was too late to unlynch vs just doing it

I was trying to figure out what unlynching would do at that point, and some guidance on putting another vote in. And I have more of a track record of ****ing these things up as a villager and getting lynched for. I don't think this makes sense as a move if I were wolf, especially when it took a player off the table (unless you suppose both WM and I are wolves and this is w/w which is really stretching it. Besides, if you look back I tend not to have a lot of interactions on thread with fellow wolves, certainly not flashy ones).

Villager me hates ties and wolfy me loves them. This could be WIFOM on my part here, sure, argue that. Or, I was putting my foot in and hardly making things worse because I'm village.

 

[Crayola227]

lynch WM

I could go Allie today too. All of this business with the tie and throwing shade my way, has me grumpy. I'm hoping this is a case of v vs v and not wolves shading me as they themselves try to get ties, but for now it feels more wolfy.

I think Allie's move created the 3way, didn't it?

unlynch WM

lynch Allie

Until someone corrects me about the timing of effect of Allie's last min show & vote (IIRC). I'm torn who to lynch, and I would lynch both of them if I could, except I know ties are bad.

 

[allieh8607]

lynch WM

I could go Allie today too. All of this business with the tie and throwing shade my way, has me grumpy. I'm hoping this is a case of v vs v and not wolves shading me as they themselves try to get ties, but for now it feels more wolfy.

I think Allie's move created the 3way, didn't it?

unlynch WM

lynch Allie

Until someone corrects me about the timing of effect of Allie's last min show & vote (IIRC). I'm torn who to lynch, and I would lynch both of them if I could, except I know ties are bad.

Technically it was you. You and I posted at the same time though. I know it's kind of your meta but you're getting awfully defensive/reactive over zero votes being placed for you. We're just discussing. Which, I thought, is what all of you wanted.

 

[WeimMama]

um, OK, except my move actually put less people on the chopping block, including you. Hardly wolfy waffling there, especially if I'd been on my game about then choosing someone to lynch.

If I was wolf and one of my buddies was up for lynch in that tie (and enough were in the tie that could certainly be the case just going off statistics) I make it more likely for a buddy to die by taking it from an RNG of 4 to an RNG of 3.

Unless your theory is that I'm a wolf and you're a wolf and I was trying to protect you? How does that even make sense for you to put forth? Your theory that what I did was wolfy doesn't work unless we supposed we are both wolves. OK I'm not following this logic.

I have enough track record of ****ing these things up as village. As a wolf, I quite honestly try to stay out of ties these days.


perhaps they went for snowy because her behavior made them think she had a PR? or was a mason? besides shiggles and such that's often a wolf motivator in their choices, even if they end up wrong that could have been their reasoning

It wasn’t the result that looked wolfy to me it was just your commentary before and after you unlynched me that really strongly reminded me of that one game. Plus you could have made it NOT a tie at all by unlynching me and lynching one of the other candidates but you didn’t. Still, like I said, the way it happened caused more of a red flag in my brain than the result

 

[Karabiner13]

D2 Lynch Tally

MJ (1) - AM
bryndi (2) - dolphin, Skim
Weim (1) - raf
cheat (1) - pippy
allie (1) - cray

6/15

Lynch close ~9 hours

 

[Crayola227]

Technically it was you. You and I posted at the same time though. I know it's kind of your meta but you're getting awfully defensive/reactive over zero votes being placed for you. We're just discussing. Which, I thought, is what all of you wanted.

I don't think I'm as culpable, in that I was here the whole time working against ties, and *you* were the one who showed up last min saying you had no idea what was going on, couldn't figure it out, but then dropped a vote that didn't help, because you were more interested in voting for someone not on the chopping block over trying to steer from a tie. Just didn't make sense to me, but to be fair some of my choices don't always either.

 

[WeimMama]

Lynch cray

I was trying to wait as long as possible before heading to work to so I could get more info to decide, but this is where I’m at currently. I most likely will not be able to get on before lynch close.

 

[Crayola227]

**** this ****, I'm so tired of being a suspect basically purely for the fact that I'm just being loud

newsflash folks, just because you hear the most from me doesn't make me a wolf

it's NAI and if anything I make bigger stinks about no votes as a villager, not wolf

this is just silly

I'm going to follow discussion but I'm out for the day, you guys carry the conversation please, and try not to make a tie and get 2 people, likely to be villagers, killed tonight

 

[Crayola227]

just grouchy

 

[PippyPony]

I'm not really getting a wolfy vibe from cray, fwiw -- her back and forth with AM when the game opened felt pretty normal from both of them

 

[allieh8607]

I don't think I'm as culpable, in that I was here the whole time working against ties, and *you* were the one who showed up last min saying you had no idea what was going on, couldn't figure it out, but then dropped a vote that didn't help, because you were more interested in voting for someone not on the chopping block over trying to steer from a tie. Just didn't make sense to me, but to be fair some of my choices don't always either.

That's not at all what happened, but good job putting wrong words in my mouth!
I'll give you the "showing up last minute" as I placed my first vote at 9:41, but was around the hour before lynch close watching. I stated I didn't have strong feelings towards the top candidates and obviously at that point did not have a lot of time to analyze their posts. I never said I didn't know what was going on and couldn't figure it out. I vote for people because I either think they're a wolf, or I want to see how other people react to something, knowing that I'll most likely change my vote once I see a reaction. So yesterday, as I said, I didn't have strong feelings towards the leading candidates and I wanted to see if when I placed my MJ vote, people would jump off their votes and potentially move onto him. The votes were so spread out yesterday that it was kind of inevitable that we would be in tie territory.

 

[PippyPony]

So yesterday, as I said, I didn't have strong feelings towards the leading candidates and I wanted to see if when I placed my MJ vote, people would jump off their votes and potentially move onto him. The votes were so spread out yesterday that it was kind of inevitable that we would be in tie territory.

I feel like it was kind of late to try a tactic like that

Why MJ? And what would that move have told you?

 

[allieh8607]

I feel like it was kind of late to try a tactic like that

Why MJ? And what would that move have told you?

I already acknowledged it was late to try it
And I already said MJ is hard for me to read given his play style of just dropping in to place a vote and disappearing. Mostly it would have given me an idea of who to look more closely at today. Someone already pointed out that he's typically an easy lynch, so I was curious if anyone would bite and jump on to him to save a wolf that was in tie territory close to deadline. I feel like it's not that hard of a concept.

 

[PippyPony]

Someone already pointed out that he's typically an easy lynch, so I was curious if anyone would bite and jump on to him to save a wolf that was in tie territory close to deadline. I feel like it's not that hard of a concept.

Yup, was me lol

I get watching who breaks ties where, I'm just interested why you chose him vs someone else who was on the table at that point

Then again, I also need to read back through that (was a little distracted when it was happening) so maybe he was somewhere near the lead, in which case I guess that makes sense

 

[PippyPony]

Through page 2, couple thoughts

High snark level must be a wolf. 😛
Lynch pippy

Now I see what you did here. Do I get to vote you for the same reason? 😛

I didn't either and just happened to see the thread on the pre-vet page... weird.

This felt a little weird to me, not sure if I buy the accidental discovery thing

lynch johnnaboo

original tag didn't work for me, and I feel like a wolf would be watching more closely for the thread to go up, and therefore would be one of the first people to be on here when the game actually started.

On the other hand, didn't like this logic from raf yesterday and still am kinda sketched by it

Not to sheep Pippy too much here,

But I like sheep, they are some of my fave animals to work with

I think you are tied with stagg atm.

Let’s not do ties this game, ok?

Second part was not directed at you. It was directed at everyone.

That said, I’d rather we didn’t lynch pip d1, and I get what she’s saying about snowy, so...

Unlynch genny

Lynch snowy

So, I have a question about this, Skil (I'm going to start calling you that)

Why post about a tie to say "let's not have ties," then just let it sit? And then later, drop a vote on someone who was not really in the running and let the tie stay there? Feels kinda off to me in retrospect, like you didn't want to be sitting in the tiebreaker spot.

Can you explain your logic here please

 

[PippyPony]

Would like to hear more from @katashark @SportPonies and @Mad Jack today

And am hanging out on this @cheathac vote until I have a reason to move

 

[PippyPony]

Thank you SDN for crashing in the middle of my re-read and making me feel like you're telling me to go clean my office

 

[PippyPony]

OMG you actually have to read the thread to play.

Going to stick with RNG?

OMG this is a little overdramatic

it's just making me wonder if you're wolf and one of either stagg or pip is also wolf and you're trying to get another name in the tie to either lessen the chance of your packmate getting chosen by RNG to die or to try to swing the lynch away from them in general..

willing to lynch weim to find out

😵

 

[genny]

Contingency Lynch MJ

Wondering if you’re going to stick with this today. I actually feel better about MJ after the tie (Pip for the same reason). With 3 votes on the tied players, and 4 wolves in the game, I just have a hard time believing wolves would let one of their own potentially go down on day 1. Would have been easy to swing that lynch one way or another to keep MJ or Pippy out of danger.

 

[PippyPony]

I agree with the bolded, but the first tie is a random death - which isn't my favorite but I'd rather get it out of the way so that if there is a TRUE tie later (i.e. voters feel passionately enough about two people to let it go to a tie) they will both die and info will be gleaned.

Anyway this is a major digression from anything useful to finding wolves so

This is just still... not my favorite argument. I feel like what you are continually advocating for is faster death, which again -- does not make a ton of sense to me in a game where the ratios are this tight.

idk. I'm on the fence about whether I think it's wolfy or not, but regardless, it was a distraction that added to the chaos, and I feel like you're in the minority here.

 

[genny]

OMG this is a little overdramatic

😵

OMG I know.

 

[PippyPony]

Ok I'm compromising with myself and going to do some real life stuff, so re-read is getting stopped here

Cray and AM feel decently village to me, as does allie

Not loving raf's logic this game, raised a couple eyebrows at genny's contributions thus far

Borderline on weim & jil

More people need to post stuff, cheat in particular

 

[Animal Midwife]

Wondering if you’re going to stick with this today. I actually feel better about MJ after the tie (Pip for the same reason). With 3 votes on the tied players, and 4 wolves in the game, I just have a hard time believing wolves would let one of their own potentially go down on day 1. Would have been easy to swing that lynch one way or another to keep MJ or Pippy out of danger.

I mean, MJ was only in immediate danger within the last five minutes. Pippy was on the board all day.

 

[PippyPony]

Pippy was on the board all day.

I'm so popular now after modding

 

[bryndiana.jones]

I completel disagree, especially in early game ties are good for village if multiple people will die because it gives two lynches worth of info in one lynch. So id love to get our RNG tie out of the way so we can move on to multiple death ties.

I don't think this is good for village at all. This has been addressed already but I am just catching up so I'm going to put in my two cents. Imo what is beneficial to village is when there is ongoing discussion, and questions being asked/answered. What doesn't seem to work for village at all is when discussion dies or ties happen, because I feel like then there is too much happening at once to really think about whether or not lynching both of those candidates makes sense. Mislynches happen often, and from what I've seen in the instances of ties, they happen more often. The only time I can really think of a tie preventing "wasting" another day is when some sort of information comes out that looks super sketch on someone's part, and it is pretty clear that that person will be the one lynched the next day. Aside from that though, lynch candidates vary a lot from one day to another, even if one of the candidates was a top contender the day before.

unlynch snowy
lynch mj

not for the love of ties but for the un-love of the stagg vote and if the two runners up and pippy and mj who are both smart and helpful game players if village, i'd rather keep the one who will give more input.

I don't like this.

**** is it too late to unlynch

I guess I didn't make things worse, except that I saved WM from being a tie RNG candidate, which was hardly my exact goal

I could have made things better if I had picked between Pip, Stagg, or MJ, but I didn't know who was tied or in the lead at that point, I thought unlynching WM put someone ahead

I guess voting for Pip, Stagg or MJ at random would have been the same as the RNG tie break that is gonna happen, except I could have voted one of them and safeguarded the other two

oh well, after everything I've been through with ties and my resolution not to touch them...

in any case, not sure why I think it's my job to stop this shiznit from happening, especially 1/2 the time I make it worse

I don't like this either because, even being on PST (which I am also on) lynch closing at 7pm has been the same for like, the last four games. Which means you can look at the little clock on your computer and see whether or not you have enough time to change your vote. I mean, why ask whether you have the time, when you can just put in your unlynch and lynch, and if it doesn't make the cut then that tells you whether or not you had enough time. Not trying to be snarky at all, but it seems kind of like "oh I wanted to do something about this but wasn't sure if I had time", and I don't think that is actually the case. This seems sketch to me.

Wow Pippy I am so sorry, I got sick this afternoon (probs food poisoning) and thought I would get back on later to actually pick a real vote, but I fell asleep after an exhausting sick filled afternoon (I’ll spare the details). 🙁@PippyPony

Oh good Pippy you didn’t die, I forgot how the ties shake out. Clearly I just need to get on between 7-10pm bc that’s when everyone starts talking. 😕

This seems....unnecessary? 😵

 

[Mad Jack]

Would like to hear more from @katashark @SportPonies and @Mad Jack today

And am hanging out on this @cheathac vote until I have a reason to move

I get out at 5ish, I'll read the thread and update then

 

[Crayola227]

Would like to hear more from @katashark @SportPonies and @Mad Jack today

And am hanging out on this @cheathac vote until I have a reason to move

just curious why cheat?

 

[jaboo]

Lynch raf

The timing and reasoning for the Weim vote yesterday is my main reason for going here.

The chatty folks (Cray, AM) are reading village to me so far. Pips is sounding more village today, but will have to re-evaluate.

 

[PippyPony]

just curious why cheat?

Why not?

 

[PippyPony]

why to Stagg when I said I'd go Snowy to preserve you? Just curious.

Also would have probably done this anyways because I know I can trust myself to save myself; I don't know if I can trust other people to save myself, ya know?

@Crayola227 this is why I decided to try to save myself lol

I feel trapped on the Stagg vote and I don't like that

I didn't notice this comment when it happened; why did you feel trapped?

 

[Crayola227]

I don't think this is good for village at all. This has been addressed already but I am just catching up so I'm going to put in my two cents. Imo what is beneficial to village is when there is ongoing discussion, and questions being asked/answered. What doesn't seem to work for village at all is when discussion dies or ties happen, because I feel like then there is too much happening at once to really think about whether or not lynching both of those candidates makes sense. Mislynches happen often, and from what I've seen in the instances of ties, they happen more often. The only time I can really think of a tie preventing "wasting" another day is when some sort of information comes out that looks super sketch on someone's part, and it is pretty clear that that person will be the one lynched the next day. Aside from that though, lynch candidates vary a lot from one day to another, even if one of the candidates was a top contender the day before.


I don't like this.




I don't like this either because, even being on PST (which I am also on) lynch closing at 7pm has been the same for like, the last four games. Which means you can look at the little clock on your computer and see whether or not you have enough time to change your vote. I mean, why ask whether you have the time, when you can just put in your unlynch and lynch, and if it doesn't make the cut then that tells you whether or not you had enough time. Not trying to be snarky at all, but it seems kind of like "oh I wanted to do something about this but wasn't sure if I had time", and I don't think that is actually the case. This seems sketch to me.




This seems....unnecessary? 😵

I know exactly when deadline is, and I usually make an effort and it's my goal to be on at least by 6 pm, 5 pm preferably if not sooner like on a day like today. That wasn't the issue. I think it's clear from my participation yesterday that nothing I was doing was *intended* to be last minute, except trying to deal with the tie scenario.

I don't love hearing that Allie was on for an hour before close, yet wasn't following what was going on, and then dropped the vote the the way she did. *That* was the sort of close to deadline behavior I thought sketchy, as an example. Contrast that with my own. Whatevs people will make of it what they will.

 

[WildZoo]

D2 Absentee Mod Lynch Tally

MJ (1) - AM
bryndi (2) - dolphin, Skim
Weim (1) - raf
cheat (1) - pippy
allie (1) - cray
raf (1) - jboo
cray (1) - weim

8/15

Lynch close ~5.75 hours

 

[Crayola227]

@Crayola227 this is why I decided to try to save myself lol


I didn't notice this comment when it happened; why did you feel trapped?

I think it had to do with the ties. I wanted to preserve you and MJ, which is why for me it was between Stagg and Snowy. Earlier you made a case (IIRC it was you) for Snowy I thought was reasonable, and I'd vote that over Stagg who did raise my eyebrow but D1 baby blah blah etc, less good reason to vote him and heartstrings reason to keep.

So I was a bit frustrated wasn't able to swing it away from what I thought was the best of limited choices between you, Stagg, MJ, all who I didn't want to die D1, onto Snowy which I thought had more merit. Not that I wanted Snowy to die, just that I actually had reason to find her wolfier than the others.

I dunno I think at some point I was sick of it and that the vote might go to WM, which I supported for reasons stated. The only reason I then came off that, was to try to break the tie that formed on WM and go elsewhere. That is where I ran out of time.

 

[Crayola227]

Also I broke my word that I was going to peace out for the day.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also I broke my word that I was going to peace out for the day.

Why were you going to peace out?

 

[Crayola227]

High snark level must be a wolf. 😛
Lynch pippy

Agree, do not like from dolph.

lynch stagg

one more thing to think about on top of the baby 😉

Do not like.

I didn't either and just happened to see the thread on the pre-vet page... weird.

Yeah, I didn't get notified originally. @Skimble, your post worked.

Need to see more, or do not like.

Lynch Stagg

I haven't gone past this point, but, why? You placed this vote on him immediately after he popped onto the thread. The timing of a move like that sometimes feels wolfy.

lynch johnnaboo

original tag didn't work for me, and I feel like a wolf would be watching more closely for the thread to go up, and therefore would be one of the first people to be on here when the game actually started.

Reasonable thought.

I like playing WW with you, and you said you've played with a similar setup to this before so you can be helpful if you're village. I don't really know anything about johnnaboo, so I decided to go there.

I already said this was sort weird. All together I might read the post before it in a different light. I see possible sketch argument made against raf, but I'm not sold.

 

[Crayola227]

Why were you going to peace out?

I just got grumpy about people I found sketchy saying I was sketchy, sometimes I feel like I get suspicion just because I'm in plain sight.

 

[Crayola227]

My mouse is not working well on my laptop so I have to use keyboard shortcuts and it's really annoying. Therefore I will probably not post again until I buy myself a mouse.

Didn't read the entire thread because scrolling takes forever, but from what I read I don't really have many feels. So rng lynch vote

#LYNCH PIPPY#

Looking at this, I wonder if the wolves thought for a N1 kill Snowy would be more of a mercy killing.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I just got grumpy about people I found sketchy saying I was sketchy, sometimes I feel like I get suspicion just because I'm in plain sight.

Well, peacing out only makes you look more suspicious and is anti-village. Talking, on the other hand, is very useful.

 

[Crayola227]

Reaction? Not sure what you mean.

Reason: I voted for you because using RNG to try to explain a retaliatory vote felt a little weird to me. Kind of overly jokey on the heels of the fake Cheezit vote


Sorry to hear this. Probably a stupid move on my part but

Unlynch Stagg

**** nvm what I said about this Pippy, I remember now. I'll forget in 5 min.