CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[Zenge142]

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Also i’m curious why zenges is pretty much village read by a lot of people. Is it tone? Because i have him in my neutrals currently

Who’s everyone? I think I’m in most people’s neutrals.

 

[supershorty]

Not currently concerned.

Huh. Okay.

 

[supershorty]

Also i’m curious why zenges is pretty much village read by a lot of people. Is it tone? Because i have him in my neutrals currently

I have him in village side of neutrals right now, combination of tonal and activity level. I've had a couple head scratching moments where he said things that felt stretchy (I didn't agree with the characterization of PSV's posts about Dubz earlier), but I tend to find village!Zenge stretchier than wolf!Zenge, historically.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Stagg () -
mkg () -
O2 () -
genny (1) - dubz
True (1) - shorty
dubz (1) - Lumi
Chaos (4) - Lawpy, mkg, Zenge, True
Lumi (5) - Wonder, Chaos, alissa, O2, alley
mkg () -
Lawpy () -

12/16
yeet close in ~8.5 hours

 

[Zenge142]

I’d like to hear what the people voting for Lumi,

@WonderingStudent @alissa14 @WorthlessOxygen and @alleycat03 think of the OG Bloodhound claim.

@Chaostrodon if not self pressing where would you vote?

 

[Truenamer]

Last game? genny was village.

Game before last, sorry about that.

 

[alissa14]

I’d like to hear what the people voting for Lumi,

@WonderingStudent @alissa14 @WorthlessOxygen and @alleycat03 think of the OG Bloodhound claim.

@Chaostrodon if not self pressing where would you vote?

I am gonna do a short reads list before I go to work. I have to drive home and work 4-12am so ill try my best to be around for yeet close but I make no guarantees.

I did not see the bloodhound claim. Tag me or tell me who to ISO and I’ll go look.

This is off the top of my head so tag me if you want anyone specific

POE
Genny - I have not gotten good genny feels yet. She is around but her tone doesn’t feel like genny tone. Am nervous by this
Lumi - I understand they are new but everything about the play style is jarring to me (probably a me problem). The whole claim thing is weird and I don’t fully understand it still. So we shall see… I don’t hate all of their reasoning but their method confuses me
MKG - still not getting good vibes here. I’m struggling with this because I usually village read MKG regardless of aff and the fact that I’m not makes me eek.
Chaos - obvious reasons… though a bit of WIFOM if he’s actually Judas. The claim seemed genuine to me however.

Neutral
Alley - seems like good questioning and reasoning, but hesitant because I feel like I can’t get a solid read.
Vis - haven’t seen enough here to go one way or the other
Lawpy - seems village but the way he kept pushing wonder’s claims as sus pinged me especially since I felt wonder was being genuine from the start.
Zenge - I feel like I can never read zenge.

Slight village
True - seems village to me but unsure. Shorty seems to question him
PSV - seems village but not 100% sure
Dubz - my initial reading of Dubz was very flawed I acknowledge that. And I spooked myself and talked my way out of my own logic
Wonder- hasn’t been present enough to get a super solid feel but I’ve liked everything so far.

Strong village
Shorty - I cannot fathom a world where shorty chooses scum. Plus all of her interactions seem very pro-village. This read of shorty’s makes me question my read of true.

 

[alissa14]

I wouldn’t be opposed to waffling towards genny to give Lumi another chance to get in the groove of SDN WW

Editing to add so as not to bloat thread with an additional post: would also not be opposed to going back to my MKG vote. Even my interaction with her directly yesterday did nothing to qualm my sus vibes

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I have a hard time differentiating tongue-in-cheek-goofy Lawpy tinfoils and perspective-slip-TMI Lawpy tinfoils. Is there a trick to it?

Something about this post is giving me the shivers. I remember wolf!True doing this in the past but that doesn't mean village!True doesn't also. Hmm.

 

[Chaostrodon]

I’d like to hear what the people voting for Lumi,

@WonderingStudent @alissa14 @WorthlessOxygen and @alleycat03 think of the OG Bloodhound claim.

@Chaostrodon if not self pressing where would you vote?

The same place probably .
One of the golden rules of mafia games is never trust a liar a second time (Yes , I know how much this applies to me as well)

The role might be bloodhound but I doubt the alignment

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The role might be bloodhound but I doubt the alignment

I checked the list when I saw their claim earlier and there is no bloodhound that isn't town aligned.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I am considering the possibility of their actual role being something like tracker and it being a joke because bloodhounds are trackers.

 

[supershorty]

I checked the list when I saw their claim earlier and there is no bloodhound that isn't town aligned.

I think what he's saying though is that even if Lumi used bloodhound ability, Chaos isn't convinced it's paired with a town alignment, if I'm understanding correctly.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I think what he's saying though is that even if Lumi used bloodhound ability, Chaos isn't convinced it's paired with a town alignment, if I'm understanding correctly.

I thought we established earlier that you cannot create something not on the role list? Like if Lumi had "town bloodhound" and "mafia tracker" as options you couldn't combine those to make "mafia bloodhound" since that isn't an available role?
Or is the purpose to create wacky, bastardy roles?

 

[supershorty]

I thought we established earlier that you cannot create something not on the role list? Like if Lumi had "town bloodhound" and "mafia tracker" as options you couldn't combine those to make "mafia bloodhound" since that isn't an available role?
Or is the purpose to create wacky, bastardy roles?

No, with the exception of a few forbidden combinations that are gamebreaking (like wolf innocent child), roles can be combined like that. Last year, for example, Stagg was a Condemner Supersaint, made by combining Condemner + Wolf supersaint.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

No, with the exception of a few forbidden combinations that are gamebreaking (like wolf innocent child), roles can be combined like that. Last year, for example, Stagg was a Condemner Supersaint, made by combining Condemner + Wolf supersaint.

Got it. Definitely wouldn't accept bloodhound as being an inherently town aligned role.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Wait a minute.
According to Lumi's logic, branding three town roles is not likely to the extent that they acted disbelieving. HOWEVER...
Lumi discarded vanillager (1 town role).
Lumi claims bloodhound as their ability (only town bloodhound on the list. 2nd town role.)
So the third role, from which they would have to take affiliation... ???

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Is this the revelation my tired brain wants it to be? Lol.

 

[supershorty]

Is this the revelation my tired brain wants it to be? Lol.

I don't think so. That was being brought up when they wanted the people who discarded town to claim, and it wasn't that they were saying it's impossible to roll 3 town roles or something. Are these the interactions you're thinking of?

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

Lumi's list of people who need to hard claim is everyone that discarded a village role
Since it is entirely possible for people to get multiple (or all) village cards, or for people to get multiple (or all) scum cards, I don't think it makes much sense to approach the game by having that particular group claim.

I mean sure all or most of the scum could be in that list, but meh. Not enough for me to want to do it, personally. I'll go back and look at previous iterations of this setup to see how those shook out though.

You think the 18% chance of triple town occurred 9 times out of like 16 or however many people are in this game?

Also since picks are done without replacement the chances for that are actually even smaller

Bolding mine, I think this might be what you're thinking of? But that reads to me as talking about that specifically happening that many times.

Very good thank you

So in game 1 its a scum rate of 30% for village discards and 25% for scum discards

In game 2 its 25% and 16%

Based on your numbers

Village discards are >rand scum

 

[Truenamer]

I thought we established earlier that you cannot create something not on the role list? Like if Lumi had "town bloodhound" and "mafia tracker" as options you couldn't combine those to make "mafia bloodhound" since that isn't an available role?
Or is the purpose to create wacky, bastardy roles?

I can confirm that is not how it works. I have a scum PR that Villagers don't have on the list.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Sure, but I would expect them to not be as incredulous if randing three town roles happened to them.

 

[supershorty]

Sure, but I would expect them to not be as incredulous if randing three town roles happened to them.

But I still think you're conflating it happening one time (if they randed 3 town) with it happening in the situation of everyone who had discarded a town role, which I think is the point they were making in those quotes I pulled.

 

[Zenge142]

So the third role, from which they would have to take affiliation... ???

Town Hero

This is what the 3rd is.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

This is what the 3rd is.

Allegedly.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I had actually forgotten they said that though. I need a nap, but alas I cannot take one.

 

[WildZoo]

I am gonna do a short reads list before I go to work. I have to drive home and work 4-12am so ill try my best to be around for yeet close but I make no guarantees.

I did not see the bloodhound claim. Tag me or tell me who to ISO and I’ll go look.

This is off the top of my head so tag me if you want anyone specific

POE
Genny - I have not gotten good genny feels yet. She is around but her tone doesn’t feel like genny tone. Am nervous by this
Lumi - I understand they are new but everything about the play style is jarring to me (probably a me problem). The whole claim thing is weird and I don’t fully understand it still. So we shall see… I don’t hate all of their reasoning but their method confuses me
MKG - still not getting good vibes here. I’m struggling with this because I usually village read MKG regardless of aff and the fact that I’m not makes me eek.
Chaos - obvious reasons… though a bit of WIFOM if he’s actually Judas. The claim seemed genuine to me however.

Neutral
Alley - seems like good questioning and reasoning, but hesitant because I feel like I can’t get a solid read.
Vis - haven’t seen enough here to go one way or the other
Lawpy - seems village but the way he kept pushing wonder’s claims as sus pinged me especially since I felt wonder was being genuine from the start.
Zenge - I feel like I can never read zenge.

Slight village
True - seems village to me but unsure. Shorty seems to question him
PSV - seems village but not 100% sure
Dubz - my initial reading of Dubz was very flawed I acknowledge that. And I spooked myself and talked my way out of my own logic
Wonder- hasn’t been present enough to get a super solid feel but I’ve liked everything so far.

Strong village
Shorty - I cannot fathom a world where shorty chooses scum. Plus all of her interactions seem very pro-village. This read of shorty’s makes me question my read of true.

Not evaluating yet because reading is hard, but Oho, scum at the top

 

[WildZoo]

Something about this post is giving me the shivers. I remember wolf!True doing this in the past but that doesn't mean village!True doesn't also. Hmm.

Blah I had that same thought and it makes me upsetti. I couldn't remember who it was about previously but it pinged me in a vague way.

 

[Truenamer]

Blah I had that same thought and it makes me upsetti. I couldn't remember who it was about previously but it pinged me in a vague way.

I feel like I get this reaction when I ask questions about people. I haven't played much with Lawpy and find him difficult to read. Should I have phrased it differently?

 

[supershorty]

I feel like I get this reaction when I ask questions about people. I haven't played much with Lawpy and find him difficult to read. Should I have phrased it differently?

This pings me more than that initial question did, honestly. Particularly the last part.

 

[WildZoo]

I feel like I get this reaction when I ask questions about people. I haven't played much with Lawpy and find him difficult to read. Should I have phrased it differently?

It just reminded me of something you said before and I think you were a wolf when you said it. But I'm not gonna be able to look for it right now. It's not that the phrasing itself is wolfy, at least for me.

 

[alissa14]

I fully expected to come back to a bunch of notifications and 2 pages…. Hmmm okay I guess I’ll iso Lumi and look for their bloodhound claim

 

[alissa14]

Not evaluating yet because reading is hard, but Oho, scum at the top

Look Dubz… my brain wants to work the way it does and I wanted to get all my pingy thoughts out lol

 

[Zenge142]

I fully expected to come back to a bunch of notifications and 2 pages…. Hmmm okay I guess I’ll iso Lumi and look for their bloodhound claim

They said they claimed it in their first post on the thread. The first letter of each word.

 

[alissa14]

By luminous out of day, here only, unto nightly dark

Ooop found it

 

[WildZoo]

Look Dubz… my brain wants to work the way it does and I wanted to get all my pingy thoughts out lol

Oh I was pleased because that's how I usually order my color-coded lists lol

 

[Zenge142]

I will not be around for yeet close, Just FYI for everyone

 

[alissa14]

I will not be around for yeet close, Just FYI for everyone

Not even lurking? I’m playing zingo in my head by myself with myself

 

[Chaostrodon]

I checked the list when I saw their claim earlier and there is no bloodhound that isn't town aligned.

if you pick bloodhound as role and mafia goon as alignment , you end up being a mafia bloodhound

 

[Truenamer]

if you pick bloodhound as role and mafia goon as alignment , you end up being a mafia bloodhound

Seems like a pretty strong combination in a multiball game.

 

[alleycat03]

Still at work and doing this secretly, so expect my catch-up to be intermittent.

No i got the answer to my earlier question asking for your chaos read

Gotcha. I honestly don’t remember seeing you ask me a question. If there were any others, please tag me.

I guess this is your rebellious streak.

i agree with this.

To be clear, I’m not sheeping other peoples hard work. I’m watching for interactions to play out and get as much info as I can before coming to a decision.



Too early to tell.

I understand the purpose of sitting back and watching others interact, but I think there’s a lot to be gleaned from pushing people yourself, as I’m sure you know. Interesting approach to wait a bit and question people yourself later in the game.

 

[supershorty]

Still at work and doing this secretly, so expect my catch-up to be intermittent.


Gotcha. I honestly don’t remember seeing you ask me a question. If there were any others, please tag me.

I understand the purpose of sitting back and watching others interact, but I think there’s a lot to be gleaned from pushing people yourself, as I’m sure you know. Interesting approach to wait a bit and question people yourself later in the game.

You say this like it comes as news to you, do you expect something different from Zenge normally on D1?

 

[Viscernable]

Is that the path I was going down? Funny, we must have different maps.

What path were you going down with his response?

 

[Viscernable]

As I catch up, my feelings are currently at

Vote true

 

[supershorty]

What path were you going down with his response?

If you continue reading the posts that I made following the one he got prickly about, you’ll see.

 

[Truenamer]

I love when Alley is catching up because I get a bunch of reactions 😍

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

I’d like to hear what the people voting for Lumi,

@WonderingStudent @alissa14 @WorthlessOxygen and @alleycat03 think of the OG Bloodhound claim.

@Chaostrodon if not self pressing where would you vote?

Catching up, haven't ready anything since last night/early this morning. Did anything new happen?

I was ready to unyeet Lumi pending anything else happening today

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

@WorthlessOxygen, how many games have you played with True?

Played? IDK, I think only one, maybe two. Have totted a few

 

[Zenge142]

Catching up, haven't ready anything since last night/early this morning. Did anything new happen?

I was ready to unyeet Lumi pending anything else happening today

Nothing new. Lumi claimed A different role in their first post (first letter of each word spells out the role) and says the Goo claim was a fake claim to catch someone lying.

Why were you ready to unyeet Lumi?

 

[WorthlessOxygen]

Nothing new. Lumi claimed A different role in their first post (first letter of each word spells out the role) and says the Goo claim was a fake claim to catch someone lying.

Why were you ready to unyeet Lumi?

I was tentatively ready to believe the motivation for fake claiming goo and defense via poetic first post. Didn't unyeet earlier because I also didn't like Lumi's consistent solid reads with little explanation so wanted to see what happened today.

 

[alleycat03]

The fact that duplicate roles aren't possible is something that really really really really really really needs to be included in the sign-up post's OP. You've all played this setup before, so you knew that already, but no one bothered to tell me that... or include it in the sign-ups for the game...

Read the first letter of each word of my first post. Black goo claim was to try to get scum to not visit me because they'd get converted to cult - like a bulletproof that doesn't fear strongmen kills.

The fact that it caught Chaos lying unintentionally was hilarious.

Not everyone here played the first two CYOs. I only played the second one, and we have 4 or 5 people playing this game that didn't play last summer.

I started the game as wolf so for all intensive porpoises we were w/w up until he changed to 3p (unless you were saying he might have posted the list after that point?).

It's the difference between rolling a 146-sided dice three times for each player vs dealing cards from a 146-card deck.

I've seen this kind of setup ran before using the dice method. It was a rude surprise to see that it was actually the deck method and my entire plan could get torpedo'd by an actual CC.

The other questions you should be able to answer on your own, left as an exercise to the reader since their answers are obvious.

What is a CC?

I hard claimed my role in my second post at which point in time I hadn't read anything in the thread. This is irrelevant

I'm confused how you hard claimed when you were lying? Your first post was the weird poem, but then you "hard claimed" a role you're now saying that you don't have? wtf

This is the attitude that led to me being a solo Mason last year

Heartbreaking. Sounds like the mason chat could've been very large this game, but I just didn't want to risk having a PM with someone not village aligned or be completely by myself.

It's not entirely unlike a certain someone fakeclaiming being a lost wolf in a PM with a wolf to try and get her to out herself.

Lumi is the new Zenge???

Yes, and I learned from that experience

I appreciate going back and pulling posts from previous games, but let's not forget that people can gain new experiences and change their positions

verrrrrry pingy