CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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I doubt you’ll find a single player on this site that would agree with you about shooting Dubz on D1 so I suggest you move on.

@Melchizedek

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Oh I see. The list is based on who discarded village roles.

I care even less now.

I'm just not following why that means they need to hardclaim. Because it's totally possible one was randed... I don't know, village lover, village mason, and village doctor. Doesn't make you any more likely to be scum because there's inherently more village aligned roles available.

 

[LuminousLag]

Oh I see. The list is based on who discarded village roles.

I care even less now.

Is being wrong a passion of yours? Or do you just do it on the side for fun?

 

[mkg323]

@Melchizedek

Ok fine *they won’t find anyone IN THIS GAME that agrees that’s a good idea*

 

[supershorty]

I'm just not following why that means they need to hardclaim. Because it's totally possible one was randed... I don't know, village lover, village mason, and village doctor. Doesn't make you any more likely to be scum because there's inherently more village aligned roles available.

Last CYO, we had to roll 3 times before the game was balanced and I rolled 9 town options lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Last CYO, we had to roll 3 times before the game was balanced and I rolled 9 town options lol

Yeah, so I'm just not following the argument that those who discarded village roles MUST reveal their role because it's totally possible they all discarded a village role and still are village.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Stagg () -
mkg () -
O2 () -
genny (1) - Chaos
True () -
dubz (1) - Lumi
Chaos (5) - dubz, Lawpy, shorty, mkg, Zenge
Lumi (1) - True

8/16
yeet close in ~29.5 hours

 

[WildZoo]

Is being wrong a passion of yours? Or do you just do it on the side for fun?

It's an inadvertent pastime, like how I'm always late for work no matter what time I leave

 

[Lawpy]

Oh I see. The list is based on who discarded village roles.

I care even less now.

Wait explain clearly

 

[WildZoo]

Ok fine *they won’t find anyone IN THIS GAME that agrees that’s a good idea*

@Stagg737

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Wait explain clearly

Lumi's list is of people who discarded village roles. With the exception of themself.

 

[Zenge142]

Ok fine *they won’t find anyone IN THIS GAME that agrees that’s a good idea*

I mean I never know what Chaos would do. If wolf/wolf, I could see Chaos NKing Pack mate Dubz and claiming village vig.

 

[Lawpy]

@WonderingStudent
@genny
@Truenamer
@WildZoo
@Zenge142
@Viscernable
@Chaostrodon
@mkg323

It is optimal play for all of these people to full claim their roles today on day 1

If they refuse or don't cooperate, then I guarantee they are scum

Truey was in this list

 

[supershorty]

So I’ve seen village PSV defend people who’s affiliation she doesn’t know, to her detriment. But that’s typically people from her noob class.

Defending Dubz feels a little different though. The “are you a night vig” question was concerning too.

Not sure I’m ready to scum read PSV but I wanted to note these.

Can you pull the quotes you feel are her defending Dubz?

 

[LuminousLag]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

 

[WildZoo]

Wait explain clearly

Lumi's list of people who need to hard claim is everyone that discarded a village role
Since it is entirely possible for people to get multiple (or all) village cards, or for people to get multiple (or all) scum cards, I don't think it makes much sense to approach the game by having that particular group claim.

I mean sure all or most of the scum could be in that list, but meh. Not enough for me to want to do it, personally. I'll go back and look at previous iterations of this setup to see how those shook out though.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

Sure, but the thing about probability is it's only a guess and not for certain.
And I still am not down with having that many players reveal because that's just begging for wolves/goons/whatever to eat the PRs.

 

[LuminousLag]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

The only way this isn't true is if something exceedingly unlikely happened, or host messed with the RNG and gave more town cards than they should have

 

[WildZoo]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

See how easy this was to explain instead of being difficult about it? Thoughts for next time.

 

[Lawpy]

Lumi's list is of people who discarded village roles. With the exception of themself.

Lumi's list of people who need to hard claim is everyone that discarded a village role
Since it is entirely possible for people to get multiple (or all) village cards, or for people to get multiple (or all) scum cards, I don't think it makes much sense to approach the game by having that particular group claim.

I mean sure all or most of the scum could be in that list, but meh. Not enough for me to want to do it, personally. I'll go back and look at previous iterations of this setup to see how those shook out though.

Ok that makes sense but Lumi had Truey in their list too

 

[Truenamer]

Wait why truey?

I agree, he's sketchy as hell

 

[Lawpy]

Wait hold on i’m confused. Wait pls

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I agree, he's sketchy as hell

I hear he has a pegleg and stares out at the ocean in the nighttime. Super sus.

 

[LuminousLag]

Lumi's list of people who need to hard claim is everyone that discarded a village role
Since it is entirely possible for people to get multiple (or all) village cards, or for people to get multiple (or all) scum cards, I don't think it makes much sense to approach the game by having that particular group claim.

I mean sure all or most of the scum could be in that list, but meh. Not enough for me to want to do it, personally. I'll go back and look at previous iterations of this setup to see how those shook out though.

You think the 18% chance of triple town occurred 9 times out of like 16 or however many people are in this game?

Also since picks are done without replacement the chances for that are actually even smaller

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Ok that makes sense but Lumi had Truey in their list too

Lumi mentioned they think True sounds towny and also claimed randing village lover twice which is why he's in their town pile.

 

[Lawpy]

Shorty lawpy truenamer psv are my easy town core

I don’t understand why truey is in your town core

 

[Lawpy]

Lumi mentioned they think True sounds towny and also claimed randing village lover twice which is why he's in their town pile.

… hold pls

 

[Truenamer]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

I mean sure, a lot of scum roles aren't good, but my other two options were Lover or.... Lover

The logic isn't logicking, I'm sorry

 

[Lawpy]

Ok so FYI, in past CYO games, there were instances where people who discarded nonvillage roles were scum

 

[WildZoo]

You think the 18% chance of triple town occurred 9 times out of like 16 or however many people are in this game?

Also since picks are done without replacement the chances for that are actually even smaller

Who said anything about all of us needing to have triple town options? You're assuming people wouldn't choose scum abilities with town aff. I'm not making that same assumption. Very much depends on what cards you got.

 

[LuminousLag]

See how easy this was to explain instead of being difficult about it? Thoughts for next time.

Not like you care either way, but I'm 99% confident you're a wolf anyway

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I mean sure, a lot of scum rolls aren't good, but my other two options were Lover or.... Lover

So you had a scum option?

 

[WildZoo]

Lumi mentioned they think True sounds towny and also claimed randing village lover twice which is why he's in their town pile.

Which still doesn't hold with their statement that it's wolfy not to comply with the full reveal. True didn't reveal his full role.

 

[LuminousLag]

Ok so FYI, in past CYO games, there were instances where people who discarded nonvillage roles were scum

I'm sure there were, but what matters is the ratio

 

[Zenge142]

Can you pull the quotes you feel are her defending Dubz?

Spoiler

I don't feel like Dubz is howling any more than usual.

And no offense to anyone, but with how notoriously hard scum!Dubz is to read I'm not going to go yeeting her without a dang good reason.

At this point I've seen Lumi claim Chaos and Dubz are both scum. Which is very obvious with Chaos but never obvious with Dubz.

As someone who feels like I know how to read Dubz, and thinking I need more time to get a read, this feels like a stronger defense than I would expect from someone who doesn't know Dubz isn't scum.

 

[Chaostrodon]

If someone discards town and they got scum, scum, town

Then they're scum
If someone discards town and they got scum, town, town

Then they are either scum or they used the scum role with town alignment

But then why did they use the scum role, have you seen the set of scum roles? Most of them suck. It's most likely that they kept the scum card for its alignment and paired it with a strong town role.

The probability of triple town is only 18%

But there are way more than just 18% of the list with town discards. Meaning we have a ton of scum in those people that discarded town

Just one flaw in your theory , the scum roles are actually pretty good. There is doctors , masons , cops , seers and whatnot as part of scum roles

 

[LuminousLag]

Who said anything about all of us needing to have triple town options? You're assuming people wouldn't choose scum abilities with town aff. I'm not making that same assumption. Very much depends on what cards you got.

Most of the scum options suck

 

[WildZoo]

Not like you care either way, but I'm 99% confident you're a wolf anyway

It's an honest piece of advice when you're joining a new community of players who doesn't know you. Just so happens you're also wrong about me being wolf (or any type of scum), but my affiliation is not really relevant to my statement.

 

[Lawpy]

I'm sure there were, but what matters is the ratio

Past games had 3 scum with 2 discarding village roles and 1 discarding nonvillage roles

 

[WildZoo]

Most of the scum options suck

Do they?

 

[supershorty]

As someone who feels like I know how to read Dubz, and thinking I need more time to get a read, this feels like a stronger defense than I would expect from someone who doesn't know Dubz isn't scum.

Interesting, because I've been bothered by PSV's defending people in past games, but I didn't feel like those comments hit me the way that what's bugged me in other games has.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

As someone who feels like I know how to read Dubz, and thinking I need more time to get a read, this feels like a stronger defense than I would expect from someone who doesn't know Dubz isn't scum.

I don't see how we're saying anything different. I was saying I'm not going to yeet Dubz based on someone's gut feeling because she's generally difficult to read, in my opinion. Of course I don't know she isn't scum. But I see no compelling evidence to vote her just because Lumi said so.

 

[WildZoo]

I kind of feel like I'm just, idk, hitting my head against a brick wall if Lumi feels 99% confident that I'm scum. So if anyone else has a problem with my play thus far, feel free to bring it up. I have no real reason to think Lumi is scum themselves at the moment so I don't feel like continuing the argument. I'll be over here waiting for the absentees to show up I think.

 

[LuminousLag]

Just one flaw in your theory , the scum roles are actually pretty good. There is doctors , masons , cops , seers and whatnot as part of scum roles

Are we looking at the same lists? There are some good ones, but most are either useless, detrimental, or only useful as scum

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Are we looking at the same lists? There are some good ones, but most are either useless, detrimental, or only useful as scum

The same could be said about the village roles? I just don't think we can be so confident as to say anyone who discarded village would do so in favor of a scum affiliation card because there are scum ability cards like tracker, etc. that would be useful as village.

 

[Truenamer]

Are we looking at the same lists? There are some good ones, but most are either useless, detrimental, or only useful as scum

None of the roles are amazing, tbh, but I've gotten spoiled by the last few (non-Mountainous) games having a lot of powerful, creative PRs, whereas this list is clearly more basic.

But to answer PSV, yes, my third option was scum. I won't say what kind because that narrows down what my actual PR might be.

 

[Lawpy]

None of the roles are amazing, tbh, but I've gotten spoiled by the last few (non-Mountainous) games having a lot of powerful, creative PRs, whereas this list is clearly more basic.

But to answer PSV, yes, my third option was scum. I won't say what kind because that narrows down what my actual PR might be.

Hmm. Engaged 🤔

 

[WildZoo]

If people want a breakdown from the previous Choose Your Own games:

Game 1: 10 out of 14 discards were village roles. 3 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type. The 4th scum had discarded a wolf role. That means 7 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

Game 2: 8 out of 14 discards were village roles. 2 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type (an additional one was a neutral, so count that how you wish). The 3rd scum had discarded an alien role. 5 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

 

[LuminousLag]

Truenamer to me sounds like they're just totally telling the truth when it comes to the roles they got

 

[Truenamer]

If people want a breakdown from the previous Choose Your Own games:

Game 1: 10 out of 14 discards were village roles. 3 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type. The 4th scum had discarded a wolf role. That means 7 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

Game 2: 8 out of 14 discards were village roles. 2 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type (one was a neutral, so count that how you wish). The 3rd scum had discarded an alien role. 5 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

Thank you, I find this kind of breakdown very helpful.

My foremost takeaway is that the information gained by looking at the discarded roles is minimal, at best.