CHOOSE YOUR OWWN III - Game Thread

[supershorty]

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Thank you, I find this kind of breakdown very helpful.

My foremost takeaway is that the information gained by looking at the discarded roles is minimal, at best.

It's helpful for knowing what isn't in the game.

 

[Chaostrodon]

Are we looking at the same lists? There are some good ones, but most are either useless, detrimental, or only useful as scum

I have the same question , In fact I would say the majority of scum PRs can be useful for village as well , only the alien faction has some roles that wouldnt suit village

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 1 Yeet Tally
Stagg () -
mkg () -
O2 () -
genny (1) - Chaos
True () -
dubz (1) - Lumi
Chaos (5) - dubz, Lawpy, shorty, mkg, Zenge
Lumi (1) - True

8/16
yeet close in ~29 hours

 

[supershorty]

Truenamer to me sounds like they're just totally telling the truth when it comes to the roles they got

It would be ballsy to claim the double lover rand if it were a lie, I'll agree with that.

But I'm not over being triggered by his earlier posts that I talked about, so I'll stew on this for a while.

 

[LuminousLag]

If people want a breakdown from the previous Choose Your Own games:

Game 1: 10 out of 14 discards were village roles. 3 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type. The 4th scum had discarded a wolf role. That means 7 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

Game 2: 8 out of 14 discards were village roles. 2 of the players that discarded village roles were scum of some type (an additional one was a neutral, so count that how you wish). The 3rd scum had discarded an alien role. 5 of the game's 10 villagers had discarded village roles.

Very good thank you

So in game 1 its a scum rate of 30% for village discards and 25% for scum discards

In game 2 its 25% and 16%

Based on your numbers

Village discards are >rand scum

 

[LuminousLag]

My phone is on 3% battery, and I'm not brazen enough to play FM from my work computer, lol

Cya all later

 

[Truenamer]

It would be ballsy to claim the double lover rand if it were a lie, I'll agree with that.

But I'm not over being triggered by his earlier posts that I talked about, so I'll stew on this for a while.

lol, after getting randed one of the worst roles twice, I was honestly happy to be able to complain about it openly on-thread 😀

 

[supershorty]

My phone is on 3% battery, and I'm not brazen enough to play FM from my work computer, lol

Cya all later

Wow, I feel so called out right now sitting at my desk in the lab.

 

[Truenamer]

Wow, I feel so called out right now sitting at my desk in the lab.

lol me too, 3M wishes I wouldn't do stuff like this on my work computer

 

[WildZoo]

Very good thank you

So in game 1 its a scum rate of 30% for village discards and 25% for scum discards

In game 2 its 25% and 16%

Based on your numbers

Village discards are >rand scum

Yes, with the downside that you out half or more of your village PRs by having that group all claim, and that's without even taking into account that scum might fakeclaim well enough to trick you. Not sure how those two things factor into your strategy.

I'm willing to discuss the strategy as a group, but again, not going to do it just because one person wants me to. If you get stuck thinking I'm scum until I die because of that, so be it.

 

[Lawpy]

My phone is on 3% battery, and I'm not brazen enough to play FM from my work computer, lol

Cya all later

Pleased. I’m all mobile too

 

[supershorty]

lol, after getting randed one of the worst roles twice, I was honestly happy to be able to complain about it openly on-thread 😀

I'm glad I have a gif to flash it in your face for as long as I'm in the game, just to prove that it's not always the worst.

when it's a lie and not your actual role

 

[alissa14]

I agree that chaos isn’t a bad vote but did @mkg323 say what role she used for her ability? I am interested to see because discarding village doctor is an interesting choice. I am also leaning more strongly village anyone that claimed a role used for affiliation early because it would be more risky to lie early on and claim a role someone else has.

 

[WildZoo]

I agree that chaos isn’t a bad vote but did @mkg323 say what role she used for her ability? I am interested to see because discarding village doctor is an interesting choice. I am also leaning more strongly village anyone that claimed a role used for affiliation early because it would be more risky to lie early on and claim a role someone else has.

If you mean what role she used for her aff, no I don't think she claimed

 

[WildZoo]

I was assuming @supershorty was putting those in a spreadsheet already

 

[supershorty]

I was assuming @supershorty was putting those in a spreadsheet already

I am. CYO games are the best spreadsheets.

And no, I don't have claimed aff roles from Wonder, Stagg, Vis, or mkg yet. 3 of the 4 haven't even posted yet I don't think.

 

[alissa14]

I used retired wolf hunter for aff

Only one possible role - stronger village lean because of this.

I used town seer for affiliation

2 possible roles

Oho made it on the first page

Alignment: village (from village mason)

4 possible town mason roles

One-shot Townie

It was kinda weird and basically turned me from village to 3P survivor if I understood the wiki correctly.

Wait I’m so confused. Did you rand town mason? Or something different?

My affiliation is village from bulletproof townie

Only one possible role - stronger village lean because of this.

 

[WildZoo]

Wait I’m so confused. Did you rand town mason? Or something different?

One shot townie was her discard

 

[alissa14]

Wait, I know for a fact this isn't how it works, because I personally had Village Lover twice.

The roles aren't conserved.

You raised vanilla village lover twice? Is this your claim?

 

[alissa14]

One shot townie was her discard

Oh oops… my bad I didn’t completely cross check the list… looks like I need a spreadsheet…

 

[mkg323]

I agree that chaos isn’t a bad vote but did @mkg323 say what role she used for her ability? I am interested to see because discarding village doctor is an interesting choice. I am also leaning more strongly village anyone that claimed a role used for affiliation early because it would be more risky to lie early on and claim a role someone else has.

No I haven’t claimed any roles and I don’t plan to claim what I used for ability despite Lumi’s demands. As for discarding doctor, I didn’t need it for role or affiliation hence it was discarded.

 

[alissa14]

I think I’m gonna yeet mkg because I don’t love that she’s checked in but hasn’t made a claim yet.

 

[WildZoo]

Let's also not forget it's entirely possible for someone to tell the truth about using a card but lie about what they used it for.

So someone could claim a card that's only in the game once, because they actually had it, but could have actually used it for ability and not affiliation. Just an extra layer of ****ery to deal with lol some of those lies would be caught as the game progresses but not necessarily all

 

[alissa14]

No I haven’t claimed any roles and I don’t plan to claim what I used for ability despite Lumi’s demands. As for discarding doctor, I didn’t need it for role or affiliation hence it was discarded.

I adore you but you realize this is sus right?

 

[WildZoo]

No I haven’t claimed any roles and I don’t plan to claim what I used for ability despite Lumi’s demands. As for discarding doctor, I didn’t need it for role or affiliation hence it was discarded.

What did you use for aff?

 

[alissa14]

Let's also not forget it's entirely possible for someone to tell the truth about using a card but lie about what they used it for.

So someone could claim a card that's only in the game once, because they actually had it, but could have actually used it for ability and not affiliation. Just an extra layer of ****ery to deal with lol some of those lies would be caught as the game progresses but not necessarily all

Crapppppp I didn’t think about this. Completely ruined my theories!

 

[mkg323]

I think I’m gonna yeet mkg because I don’t love that she’s checked in but hasn’t made a claim yet.

I didn’t realize I was the only one, other than those who aren’t on thread. I was planning to but then someone came on demanding everyone role reveal fully which rubbed me the wrong way

 

[mkg323]

What did you use for aff?

I used Village 1x gladiator

 

[WildZoo]

I used Village 1x gladiator

Just curious, why did you decide to use that for aff instead of the doctor?

 

[mkg323]

Just curious, why did you decide to use that for aff instead of the doctor?

Does it matter? It has the same result for what my role is

 

[supershorty]

Does it matter? It has the same result for what my role is

I'd argue that one is inherently more pro-village than the other unless there are people in the game you have godreads on.

 

[mkg323]

I'd argue that one is inherently more pro-village than the other unless there are people in the game you have godreads on.

I used it for affiliation not ability. So I’m not sure what you mean.

 

[WildZoo]

Does it matter? It has the same result for what my role is

Just interested in your thought process

 

[supershorty]

Though discarding doctor is an interesting choice either way because it's a strange one to get rid of if village, but in some ways, it's also strange to get rid of as scum because it could easily be used for pocketing purposes. Doctor the person not getting NKed, or you could even doctor them and no-kill if you wanted to go for a really deep pocket.

 

[supershorty]

I used it for affiliation not ability. So I’m not sure what you mean.

I guess I'm more surprised by the discard choice than the use of one for aff. I didn't read quite carefully enough.

 

[supershorty]

Does it matter? It has the same result for what my role is

Oh.

Actually.

I do find this interesting again for a reason this time.

 

[mkg323]

Though discarding doctor is an interesting choice either way because it's a strange one to get rid of if village, but in some ways, it's also strange to get rid of as scum because it could easily be used for pocketing purposes. Doctor the person not getting NKed, or you could even doctor them and no-kill if you wanted to go for a really deep pocket.

I really didn’t think that hard about what I picked. I just went for what I thought I’d enjoy playing

 

[supershorty]

Oh.

Actually.

I do find this interesting again for a reason this time.

Mainly that there are 2 town doctor roles and only 1 town gladiator, so

wait

I've gotten myself a bit turned around. I think I've been staring at my computer for too long.

I think what I was thinking was that if we were in a world where a scum!mkg got rid of a town role, it would make more sense to discard the gladiator one than the doctor one, but the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure I agree with myself.

 

[mkg323]

Mainly that there are 2 town doctor roles and only 1 town gladiator, so

wait

I've gotten myself a bit turned around. I think I've been staring at my computer for too long.

I think what I was thinking was that if we were in a world where a scum!mkg got rid of a town role, it would make more sense to discard the gladiator one than the doctor one, but the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure I agree with myself.

Well that’s news to me. To be frank I haven’t looked at the role list…

 

[WildZoo]

Mainly that there are 2 town doctor roles and only 1 town gladiator, so

wait

I've gotten myself a bit turned around. I think I've been staring at my computer for too long.

I think what I was thinking was that if we were in a world where a scum!mkg got rid of a town role, it would make more sense to discard the gladiator one than the doctor one, but the more I think about it, the more I'm not sure I agree with myself.

I think it makes sense as any aff to keep the card that is only in the game once, no matter how you're using it, if you're going to claim it for aff. Then you don't have to deal with that level of claim scrutiny, since most people are going to be more inclined to believe that claim (Chaos's goo notwithstanding lol).

I was just curious if that was mkg's reasoning, it was mine for keeping the retired wolf hunter over the mason.

 

[supershorty]

Well that’s news to me. To be frank I haven’t looked at the role list…

You didn't look at the list at all when making your choices?

 

[Zenge142]

Interesting, because I've been bothered by PSV's defending people in past games, but I didn't feel like those comments hit me the way that what's bugged me in other games has.

So you’re agreeing with me that it’s different?

Because my point was in past games, if I’m remembering correctly, it was Village!PSV.

 

[supershorty]

I think it makes sense as any aff to keep the card that is only in the game once, no matter how you're using it, if you're going to claim it for aff. Then you don't have to deal with that level of claim scrutiny, since most people are going to be more inclined to believe that claim (Chaos's goo notwithstanding lol).

I was just curious if that was mkg's reasoning, it was mine for keeping the retired wolf hunter over the mason.

Yeah, this is what I started thinking after I lost my train of thought halfway through

 

[WildZoo]

There's a different reason I might have used the doctor role for aff instead of discarding it, in mkg's shoes, but not sure if I want to get into that yet.

 

[supershorty]

So you’re agreeing with me that it’s different?

Because my point was in past games, if I’m remembering correctly, it was Village!PSV.

I agree with you that it's different, but I believe I was the most bothered by it in LiterWWary when she was wolfing, not in a village game. I'd have to double check that though.

 

[mkg323]

You didn't look at the list at all when making your choices?

I mean I looked up on mafia wiki what they were but that’s it. Sounds like I got lucky though with some rare roles though

 

[Zenge142]

But I see no compelling evidence to vote her just because Lumi said so.

Neither do I, but you know how defending players who’s affiliation you don’t know triggers me.

 

[supershorty]

So you’re agreeing with me that it’s different?

Because my point was in past games, if I’m remembering correctly, it was Village!PSV.

I did specifically mention it as a reason for wolf reading her in Lit:

PSV - I've been trying really hard to give PSV the benefit of the doubt. The mayoral vote thing still doesn't feel like something a wolf would do, IMO, but I'm uncomfortable with a lot of her posts today. She's had a lot of posts defending other people - and I think that, to some extent, is a noob thing, because I've seen other people do it (not in this game, necessarily) and remember going through learning myself that it wasn't wise to defend people unless I was really, really sure of their aff, but I also didn't really like her push on Pippy's post about True. alley just reacted to one of my posts and it reminded me that I found PSV's comments about sheeping reads on the people she hadn't played with a little off.

I also didn't really love her one comment where she said she couldn't see me "as anything other than village" when it's clear that most of the veterans have some lingering paranoia about me, because it felt a little too confident to me, and potentially pockety.

I mentioned it in Mountains too, though, and she was village there.

I'm kind of bothered by how much PSV is jumping in to defend her sister any time someone mentions her, but I'm always massively triggered when True and stoat do that too and it's never helped me correctly ID one or the other as a wolf.

But it bugs me.

I looked more closely at what was bothering me in Lit specifically and it was HARD defense, particularly of alley, in a way that felt like whiteknighting, and that's not what I see here so far.

 

[alissa14]

Noting that between true and zenge, there have been 3 town lover roles discarded, which is the max amount in the game. Meaning if anything else about a town lover comes out, one of them is lying

 

[alissa14]

Maybe I missed something but did @LuminousLag claim a role used for aff? Working on a spreadsheet now and will make it public once available