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I'm accepted at CWRU and wait listed at Cornell. IF i do get off the Cornell wait list, would it be a good decision to potentially drop everything and get on the next plane to Manhattan? Here are the pros and cons I've considered.

1. Education: I liked Case's better. The people seemed more supportive overall. Plus I would be a guinea pig for Cornell's new curriculum.

2. Location: Manhattan > Cleveland, for sure. BUT, I think the support/college town feel around CWRU might make day to day life more enjoyable at Case.

3. Cost: About the same for both, all things considered.

What do you guys think??
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Cornell by far!!! That's what waitlists are for -- you wait and then drop everything once you get in. :laugh: You'll have such a better time in NY than in OH (no offense for Midwesterners) both in terms of academics and opportunities.
 
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I personally would prefer Cornell, mostly because there are so many opportunities in the area and Northeast in general. That said CWRU is a fantastic school and you really can't go wrong going there for medical school.
 
this is literally my situation haha, good luck on the waitlist, i hear Cornell has a lot of movement!
 
Are you planning on going to Case as of now?

ducksau5 said:
this is literally my situation haha, good luck on the waitlist, i hear Cornell has a lot of movement!
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I cannot understand all these threads about schools in coastal cities vs schools in the midwest. You obviously pick the coasts, where life actually happens.
 
Serous Demilune said:
I cannot understand all these threads about schools in coastal cities vs schools in the midwest. You obviously pick the coasts, where life actually happens.
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Sometimes more life isn't better. I think CA > NY.
 
Hey guys, I'm in a similar situation (accepted to Case, WL at Sinai/NYU) and I don't get this whole emphasis on location. I've lived in every region of the continental U.S. (including a year in NYC) and every city I've stayed in was as enjoyable as the next. If I got accepted to NYU, I'd still go to Case (barring scholarship) because I like the school better. To me, Sinai is on par with Case, it would come down to the money.


But to each his own, I guess.
 
I was in a similar situation last cycle, though it was CCLCM vs. a couple NY schools. In the end, I picked the Midwestern school (which also happened to be cheaper option, though believe it or not that was more the final straw rather than the main reason I picked it).

Curiculum as I understand it is very similar at the two schools (didn't Cornell essentially implement CWRU's several years back?), so you should be happy with both in that regard. Both have a ton a research going on (well above the professional threshold). Personally, I found no atmosphere was better or more supportive within the med schools than the ones in Cleveland (CWRU and CCLCM), but that being said NYC is NYC and it'd be an awesome, perhaps unbeatable place to live for a stint if you want a big city (and that's coming from a Cleveland lover, though don't listen to the "life doesn't happen in the Midwest" nonsense).

To me this would come down to cost and where you want to do residency. You can't really go wrong, so I'd pick the place that's cheaper and closer to where you want to be geographically after med school (though on the latter point Cornell and CWRU will probably leave plenty of doors open just about anywhere, so I wouldn't stress it too much).

Good luck!
 
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FYI, Case is going through flux these days as it is changing affiliation from University Hospitals to Cleveland Clinic. Both are rival systems. This change is already causing some friction and confusion. University Hospitals apparently was blindsided by decision and has publicly aired this sentiment. Here is the announcement link http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2013/06/new_case_western_reserve_unive.html
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I wouldn't say that Case is "changing" its affiliation, but rather expanding it. Students and faculty I talked to at interview day maintained that UH will always be Case's primary training site. Yes, this article makes it seem like there's friction and confusion, and no doubt there is some. What you have to remember though, is this new education building will house BOTH CWRU and CCLCM students. That seems like a huge step in the right direction rather than having both programs separated. I don't think any turbulence between the two institutions affects clinical training either.
 
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I only interviewed at Cornell, but from the outside looking in this one doesn't seem close. Cornell is better for pretty much every reason I can think of unless you were admitted to the CCLCM program. That said, you're on the waitlist. No need to think about this right now.
 
trino said:
I wouldn't say that Case is "changing" its affiliation, but rather expanding it. Students and faculty I talked to at interview day maintained that UH will always be Case's primary training site. Yes, this article makes it seem like there's friction and confusion, and no doubt there is some. What you have to remember though, is this new education building will house BOTH CWRU and CCLCM students. That seems like a huge step in the right direction rather than having both programs separated. I don't think any turbulence between the two institutions affects clinical training either.
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I made the statement as I do have some insider info on this. What they say during interviews is purely marketing BS. UH and CCF are rival systems that don't see much in common. UH is the primary training site now and maybe next year. But, not for long. Hang tight for severe turbulence.
 
98md said:
I made the statement as I do have some insider info on this. What they say during interviews is purely marketing BS. UH and CCF are rival systems that don't see much in common. UH is the primary training site now and maybe next year. But, not for long. Hang tight for severe turbulence.
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I will defer to your judgement then. I just find it hard to believe that CCF would be able to wrestle CWRU from UH's hands without some severe financial crisis (maybe this is happening). Regardless, both are great systems and I can't see training being too negatively impacted since that would reflect poorly on both institutions. Maybe I'm just naive
 
Leoz M Jiliums said:
Hey guys, I'm in a similar situation (accepted to Case, WL at Sinai/NYU) and I don't get this whole emphasis on location. I've lived in every region of the continental U.S. (including a year in NYC) and every city I've stayed in was as enjoyable as the next. If I got accepted to NYU, I'd still go to Case (barring scholarship) because I like the school better. To me, Sinai is on par with Case, it would come down to the money.


But to each his own, I guess.
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Really!
 
98md said:
I made the statement as I do have some insider info on this. What they say during interviews is purely marketing BS. UH and CCF are rival systems that don't see much in common. UH is the primary training site now and maybe next year. But, not for long. Hang tight for severe turbulence.
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Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Univeristy Hospital (UH) is the primary teaching affiliate (which is more of a business designation and allows UH to attach the Case name to their hospital) but Cleveland Clinic, VA, Metro Health (county hospital) remain teaching affiliates as well. Case already had a strong relationship with Cleveland Clinic with the joint CCLCM program, and Case students could rotate at Cleveland Clinic instead of UH for clinical rotations/research (many did which is not surprising). The CCLCM campus is already on Cleveland Clinic campus. Cleveland Clinic wanted to relocate CCLCM to a new building and thought it would be better to have both programs be at one location and so they offered to donate land to Case to build their new medical school building on the Cleveland Clinic campus. It doesn't change anything besides the location of the building and that the two Case programs (regular track and Cleveland Clinic track) will now be on the same campus. The new building, which will look amazing, will be literally down the street from Case main campus and UH. UH and Cleveland Clinic are competitors but unless youre on the board of directors that competition doesnt affect you as a medical student because all 3 stakeholders benefit from being associated with each other (Case, UH and Cleveland Clinic). Either way, as a medical student you have a top 25 school, two top 20 hospitals (Cleveland Clinic at number 4 and UH at ~18) as ranked by US News in addition to a level 1 trauma hospital/county hospital, a VA hospital, the regional hospital affliates, Cleveland Clinic Florida and Abu Dhabi for electives at your disposal as a Case or CCLCM student--cant beat that!
 
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98md said:
I made the statement as I do have some insider info on this. What they say during interviews is purely marketing BS. UH and CCF are rival systems that don't see much in common. UH is the primary training site now and maybe next year. But, not for long. Hang tight for severe turbulence.
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My understanding is the friction really won't have much effect on the students...maybe the higher ups will have a headache to deal with (as you'll have anytime two top 20 hospitals are battling for name recognition), but I can't imagine that will translate to anything bad for students as all the hospitals (VA, Metro, CCF, UH) will remain active training grounds.
 
Leoz M Jiliums said:
Hey guys, I'm in a similar situation (accepted to Case, WL at Sinai/NYU) and I don't get this whole emphasis on location. I've lived in every region of the continental U.S. (including a year in NYC) and every city I've stayed in was as enjoyable as the next. If I got accepted to NYU, I'd still go to Case (barring scholarship) because I like the school better. To me, Sinai is on par with Case, it would come down to the money.


But to each his own, I guess.
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Not to derail the thread, but Leoz may I PM you in relation to your avatar? (his settings are max private, so it rejects my PM)

Nothing to see here everyone, carry on
 
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ClevelandClinic said:
Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. Univeristy Hospital (UH) is the primary teaching affiliate (which is more of a business designation and allows UH to attach the Case name to their hospital) but Cleveland Clinic, VA, Metro Health (county hospital) remain teaching affiliates as well. Case already had a strong relationship with Cleveland Clinic with the joint CCLCM program, and Case students could rotate at Cleveland Clinic instead of UH for clinical rotations/research (many did which is not surprising). The CCLCM campus is already on Cleveland Clinic campus. Cleveland Clinic wanted to relocate CCLCM to a new building and thought it would be better to have both programs be at one location and so they offered to donate land to Case to build their new medical school building on the Cleveland Clinic campus. It doesn't change anything besides the location of the building and that the two Case programs (regular track and Cleveland Clinic track) will now be on the same campus. The new building, which will look amazing, will be literally down the street from Case main campus and UH. UH and Cleveland Clinic are competitors but unless youre on the board of directors that competition doesnt affect you as a medical student because all 3 stakeholders benefit from being associated with each other (Case, UH and Cleveland Clinic). Either way, as a medical student you have a top 25 school, two top 20 hospitals (Cleveland Clinic at number 4 and UH at ~18) as ranked by US News in addition to a level 1 trauma hospital/county hospital, a VA hospital, the regional hospital affliates, Cleveland Clinic Florida and Abu Dhabi for electives at your disposal as a Case or CCLCM student--cant beat that!
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Great. Next time you run into Zenty and/or Davis see if you can get something out. Maybe it will not affect medical students, but residents and fellows down the line yes.
 
98md said:
Great. Next time you run into Zenty and/or Davis see if you can get something out. Maybe it will not affect medical students, but residents and fellows down the line yes.
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Literally just asking because I don't completely get how residencies/fellowships work, but why would it effect residents/fellows? It's in all institutions' interests to fill all spots with good talent, and all institutions involved here have enormous resources that aren't about to disappear even if major realignments were to happen and prior relationships terminated (which doesn't necessarily seem to be the case anyway). Thus, along with the signing of a 50-year agreement between Case and UH, I don't quite see how residency /fellowship positions or research opportunities for those people would be negatively impacted by the location of the med school building?

If there is something I'm missing I'm happy to be educated, and I will glady admit I'm currently in the dark on the residency/fellowship game. I just think if the previous sentiments are purely speculation because one state-of-the-art building is being put on one campus vs. another for largely financial reasons it may be misleading to those trying to make decisions.
 
i have the same issue...got into case but WLed at nyu and columbia and im from the ny area so id love to stay here. i loved cwru and it seemed great but im not a fan of the 2-year preclinical followed directly by step 1. i much prefer the 1.5, followed by the clinical year and then the step like nyu and columbia have it. plus im not sure how i feel about moving from ny where all my friends/family are to cleveland which was nice when i visited but idk how itd be to live there 🙁 its also hard to make plans about anything with these WLs since cwru starts school in like early july whereas the other two if i get off one of the WLs start in early august... =/
 
98md said:
Great. Next time you run into Zenty and/or Davis see if you can get something out. Maybe it will not affect medical students, but residents and fellows down the line yes.
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??? it has absolutely no effect on residents and fellows..UH has their own residency/fellowships, Cleveland Clinic has their own residency/fellowships, completely seperate..a location of a building isn't going to change a thing...this partnership with Case and Cleveland Clinic isn't something new, they created an entire medical school together 10 years ago...and lets say hypothetically that Case's primary affiliation becomes Cleveland Clinic (which isn't going to happen), how is that a bad thing? if anything it's awesome for Case because Cleveland Clinic has a stronger national brand recognition than University Hospital.
 
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scarlett14 said:
i have the same issue...got into case but WLed at nyu and columbia and im from the ny area so id love to stay here. i loved cwru and it seemed great but im not a fan of the 2-year preclinical followed directly by step 1. i much prefer the 1.5, followed by the clinical year and then the step like nyu and columbia have it. plus im not sure how i feel about moving from ny where all my friends/family are to cleveland which was nice when i visited but idk how itd be to live there 🙁 its also hard to make plans about anything with these WLs since cwru starts school in like early july whereas the other two if i get off one of the WLs start in early august... =/
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I totally feel you... I'm just not gonna think about the WL too much and be grateful that I got into a great program. It would make for an awkward situation if we DO get off a WL Mid-July, after having already settled into Cleveland and everything. Are you planning on going to Case as of now?
 
x83ix said:
I totally feel you... I'm just not gonna think about the WL too much and be grateful that I got into a great program. It would make for an awkward situation if we DO get off a WL Mid-July, after having already settled into Cleveland and everything. Are you planning on going to Case as of now?
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You won't be on any waitlists in mid-july if you go to Case. Per AAMC rules, once you attend a medical school's orientation, you're ineligible for any other acceptace (i.e. you have to withdraw from all other schools, even waitlisted ones, to attend orientation).

edit: Oh, an I'm planning to go to Case as of now too 🙂
 
Leoz M Jiliums said:
You won't be on any waitlists in mid-july if you go to Case. Per AAMC rules, once you attend a medical school's orientation, you're ineligible for any other acceptace (i.e. you have to withdraw from all other schools, even waitlisted ones, to attend orientation).

edit: Oh, an I'm planning to go to Case as of now too 🙂
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Awesome! You sound like you'd be a cool classmate. Hm... My premed adviser said there have been students who un-matriculated to attend a different school.
 
x83ix said:
Awesome! You sound like you'd be a cool classmate. Hm... My premed adviser said there have been students who un-matriculated to attend a different school.
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Many premed advisers are notoriously ill informed. Check out AAMC rules, straight from the source.
 
x83ix said:
I totally feel you... I'm just not gonna think about the WL too much and be grateful that I got into a great program. It would make for an awkward situation if we DO get off a WL Mid-July, after having already settled into Cleveland and everything. Are you planning on going to Case as of now?
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yea im planning on case as well as of now! and yea i think we do have to withdraw from those WLs before starting orientation anywhere, unfortunately 🙁 i feel like it might be a superr hard thing to do especially since i keep hearing stories of like 1-2 ppl who get off the waitlist to their dream schools literally like 1-2 weeks before orientation and since case starts super early we'd have to w/d before that and wont know if that couldve happened :'( but i am super grateful to have gotten into case 🙂

are you guys going to second look? im going and am super excited! i hope to meet some fellow potential future classmates there 🙂
 
scarlett14 said:
yea im planning on case as well as of now! and yea i think we do have to withdraw from those WLs before starting orientation anywhere, unfortunately 🙁 i feel like it might be a superr hard thing to do especially since i keep hearing stories of like 1-2 ppl who get off the waitlist to their dream schools literally like 1-2 weeks before orientation and since case starts super early we'd have to w/d before that and wont know if that couldve happened :'( but i am super grateful to have gotten into case 🙂

are you guys going to second look? im going and am super excited! i hope to meet some fellow potential future classmates there 🙂
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I'm going! Also really excited, it should be fun. Maybe we'll run into each other, haha!
 
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