CWWem's HoWWiday ExtWWavangza (mafia game thread)

[katiemcat]

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Is that the secret Santa gift? (Cue "wolfy question!" 😃)

I’ll do you one better

“Wolfy pop in” XD

 

[fruitsalad]

i can’t ignore the fact that apop was widely discussed and scum read, yet her wagon disintegrated completely on both days

 

[fruitsalad]

@Zenge142 how are you feeling about PSV?

 

[fruitsalad]

what if spurs and PSV are wolves again

 

[katiemcat]

@Zenge142 how are you feeling about PSV?

I too want Zenge reads.

 

[fruitsalad]

i’m back to thinking we have 2 wolves, not 3

 

[WildZoo]

Probably fruits or zenge. mostly bc they haven't popped in yet and that's surprising 😅

Super super early and by memory apop has consistently had these two in her "would yeet" list for like...the entire game.

I'd rate either of them in a 3 wolf pack with her as "unlikely but possible" but either in a 2 wolf pack as "highly improbable"

(Please recall I am rebuilding interaction analysis from the ground up so this is not taking into account the full scope of later stuff)

 

[apoptosis09]

i’m back to thinking we have 2 wolves, not 3

Better hope so because they've found an easy wagon to take them to end game if not

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 how are you feeling about PSV?

Well I don't have any seering results I can do a dramatic reveal with, if that's what you're asking 😅

But I've been reading her village this game. Her posts and questions, epically in the early game had a certain bite to them, that I tend to associate more with village PSV? It's hard to describe.

 

[Zenge142]

I too want Zenge reads.

Same tbh (I'm struggling this game)

 

[WildZoo]

Ho ho ho...

Yeet @fruitsalad
@Clem J

Okay I can probably relax about the super nightmare tinfoil of a Spurs/fruit pack

Probably

 

[fruitsalad]

i don’t think WZ and zenge are wolves

i’m not associating village zenge to always attacking and nailing down wolves but this zenge here looks very similar tonally to a D1 zenge in CYO

there isn’t a reason for WZ to have a meltdown on volo realization/possibility and insisting me to unvote apop if she’s a wolf

 

[katiemcat]

Okay I can probably relax about the super nightmare tinfoil of a Spurs/fruit pack

Probably

But doesn’t w!fruit like to be bussed…? Or so I’ve heard

 

[fruitsalad]

so i’m thinking apop, PSV, spurs… CYO wolfpack repeat?

 

[katiemcat]

so i’m thinking apop, PSV, spurs… CYO wolfpack repeat?

This is diabolical if so

 

[fruitsalad]

but spurs and PSV were both antagonistic to apop

 

[apoptosis09]

so i’m thinking apop, PSV, spurs… CYO wolfpack repeat?

I would love that
Unless they're over there wolfing without me, then i will be very sad

 

[WildZoo]

But doesn’t w!fruit like to be bussed…? Or so I’ve heard

He does but as like...the very first vote of the game??? Idk I just feel like Spurs wouldn't go along with that if they were a two wolf pairing?

Noted though. I just really wanted to kill that foil tbh.

 

[WildZoo]

so i’m thinking apop, PSV, spurs… CYO wolfpack repeat?

Are you serious rn

 

[fruitsalad]

Are you serious rn

it’s basically apop/PSV or PSV/spurs

so i think i want to nail PSV

 

[apoptosis09]

it’s basically apop/PSV or PSV/spurs

so i think i want to nail PSV

She was on my yet list for a minute a few days ago. she's not my preference anymore but it would provide some solid unpairings

 

[WildZoo]

yeet PSV

@Clem J @alissa14

This was one of his random votes but still don't see him placing it on a partner based on how he usually plays

Running list of unpairings
Highly Improbable:
apop/fruit
apop/Zenge


Unlikely:
Spurs/fruit
PSV/fruit

 

[GoSpursGo]

it’s basically apop/PSV or PSV/spurs

so i think i want to nail PSV

i know dubZ won’t follow me here, but why not zenge with apop?

 

[apoptosis09]

What if there's only one wolf and that's why you can't pair me with anyone?

 

[fruitsalad]

i know dubZ won’t follow me here, but why not zenge with apop?

apop wants zenge dead

 

[WildZoo]

Btw I'm not going to do analysis unpairing myself with people so that's y'all's responsibility

 

[WildZoo]

What if there's only one wolf and that's why you can't pair me with anyone?

That's absurd for a 12 player game

 

[apoptosis09]

apop wants zenge dead

Only a little dead 🥺

 

[apoptosis09]

That's absurd for a 12 player game

Good call. I'm definitely not a wolf then. Phew

 

[WildZoo]

i know dubZ won’t follow me here, but why not zenge with apop?

I don't think she names her partner as one of the first people she's interested in looking at and then keeps that up for the whole game

 

[WildZoo]

unyeet @fruitsalad
yeet @Zenge142
@Clem J @alissa14

This one is...obvious...just noting it's also been a sustained thing since early d1

I have seen Zenge tell his packmates to bus him before but only after he's already on the hot seat. Similar to apop, Spurs has had a game-long anti-Zenge stance so this pairing is a non-starter.

Running list of unpairings
Highly Improbable:
apop/fruit
apop/Zenge
Spurs/Zenge


Unlikely:
Spurs/fruit
PSV/fruit

 

[WildZoo]

Wait I thought this didn't start until the 3rd?!

Inability to read = village Zenge, lock it in

I still kind of believe this

 

[WildZoo]

#microreads

 

[WildZoo]

Whomstever your heart desires. I will not be leading any d1 charges.

Sometimes I wish I could sad react my own posts

 

[WildZoo]

Yeet @GoSpursGo

@Clem J

For now…. I’m not used to you being so vocal right off the bat. But I also haven’t played with you in a while. Still best dad tho.

Oho?

I was considering Spurs/Katie as still a possibility based on how he shielded her but this gives me a lil pause.

I think she reversed this read later so I'll put it in its own category.

Running list of unpairings
Highly Improbable:
apop/fruit
apop/Zenge
Spurs/Zenge


Unlikely:
Spurs/fruit
PSV/fruit


Pending closer evaluation:
Spurs/katie

 

[WildZoo]

That is fair. My desire to not lead a d1 charge is in conflict with my not wanting to leave decisions up until EOD. And with some of the other reliably vocal players either not playing or also taking a backseat I’m trying to keep the discussion moving.

Guh this post is in a nutshell why I've been reading Spurs village this whole time.

 

[apoptosis09]

I don't think she names her partner as one of the first people she's interested in looking at and then keeps that up for the whole game

Call me Ms. Frizzle!
I'm actually bussing so hard i want you to flip my packmate first!
Its... zenge! Or maybe Katie.
I don't know, I never opened wolf chat but trust me!

 

[WildZoo]

I never opened wolf chat

Well we know that's not true, it's against the rules!

 

[WildZoo]

After I was a little weirded out by fruits not posting all last night, this feels like village fruits. I don't detect any agenda in the way he's poking around for reads or trying to ping less active players.

Okay so the fruit sus was pretty short-lived

However this doesn't feel like the way wolves usually shield packmates in early game. So that pairing still feels unlikely if I'm being level-headed about it.

 

[WildZoo]

An early PSV/apop interaction. This is pretty gentle questioning so I don't consider it unpairing.

Spoiler

If you're trying to spook votes off your wagon it won't work on me! 👀

Why are you voting SAR?

Bc she voted spurs who is like the misyeetiest of misyeet bait, esp d1

Does it affect your feelings that she said it was for shiggles and also unvotes him?

Not really. Who's to say she wouldn't have stayed if it had gained traction?
I'm hardly wolf locked on her but as far as D1 goes I'm alright here

~~~
More evidence for the obvious apop/fruit unpairing

Spoiler

i think i’ll go with

unyeet PSV
yeet apop

@Clem J @alissa14

partly vibez, partly wanting to tackle the SAR wagon

can i interest you with the apop vote?

my reads aren’t that good, and i make mistakes

i just don’t feel good about apop and her followup responses didn’t help ease that feeling

Running list of unpairings
Highly Improbable:
apop/fruit
apop/Zenge
Spurs/Zenge


Unlikely:
Spurs/fruit
PSV/fruit


Pending closer evaluation:
Spurs/katie
PSV/apop

 

[GoSpursGo]

Btw I'm not going to do analysis unpairing myself with people so that's y'all's responsibility

Dammit dubZ I’m gonna be left to do this arent i

 

[GoSpursGo]

Lemme ask it this way--is anyone else LOOKING for a dubZ ISO today? Cuz I really don't wanna but I'll do it if it will help people figure out where we are going to go today.

 

[WildZoo]

Dammit dubZ I’m gonna be left to do this arent i

Yup 🙂

 

[WildZoo]

Lemme ask it this way--is anyone else LOOKING for a dubZ ISO today? Cuz I really don't wanna but I'll do it if it will help people figure out where we are going to go today.

I'm looking for a dubz ISO today

 

[GoSpursGo]

It is now Day 3, which will end December 28 at 9pm pacific

OK I'm going to request at some point we please hammer because good lord I don't want to be doing this at midnight ET

 

[GoSpursGo]

I'm looking for a dubz ISO today

Boo

 

[WildZoo]

I don't think I have it in my heart to vote for apop today so fresh off us being wolf buddies and early death buddies the game before that, though

To be fair this could just be authentic feelings.

Yeet Katie
@Clem J @alissa14

Chatter on Katie is making me reconsider but I think I have to follow my own initial read there for now

I don't really understand the Katie chatter tbh. I didn't find her vote for SAR particularly suspicious. If anything she had the only reasoning I thought made any sense.

Part of it is not wanting to vote kitz D1 since she's a youth and part of it is feeling like katie really jumped on SAR and her vote stuck out to me more

Explain this more?

genny had no reasoning at all/looked like she was continuing a joke vote and apop's reasoning wrinkled my eyebrows.

I jumped on SAR with pretty solid reasoning IMO I didn’t like the push for a no vote. In fact I’m pretty sure I’m the only one who gave a reason for voting SAR at all lol.

I think this conversation is all solidly unpairing for PSV/katie


Running list of unpairings
Highly Improbable:
apop/fruit
apop/Zenge
Spurs/Zenge
PSV/katie


Unlikely:
Spurs/fruit
PSV/fruit


Pending closer evaluation:
Spurs/katie
PSV/apop

 

[katiemcat]

Lemme ask it this way--is anyone else LOOKING for a dubZ ISO today? Cuz I really don't wanna but I'll do it if it will help people figure out where we are going to go today.

I could potentially when I have a moment (prepping my IM cases for tomorrow currently). Full disclaimer I don’t know what w!dubz looks like so it may not be ideal.

 

[WildZoo]

OK I'm going to request at some point we please hammer because good lord I don't want to be doing this at midnight ET

Yeah I really need to be going to sleep around 10pm, and I just won't be able to if this is still going, which will wreck me for tomorrow. I feel like we should be able to reasonably come to some kind of agreement well before close.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I could potentially when I have a moment (prepping my IM cases for tomorrow currently). Full disclaimer I don’t know what w!dubz looks like so it may not be ideal.

idk that we're really realistically going to vote dubZ today, though it would be helpful as we put together theoretical packs that could support whoever we do yeet today.

I kind of suspect dubZ wants to hear my interpretation of events, which is unfortunately fair. And katie I think you volunteered to look at CYO, which is its own monumental undertaking. So I can take dubZ, it'll just be a while until I can settle in on that