endodontic residency 2021 application

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Do programs actually have a waitlist or do they tell everyone that interviewed but didn’t get in that they are on the waitlist?
 
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aboutthattooth said:
Do programs actually have a waitlist or do they tell everyone that interviewed but didn’t get in that they are on the waitlist?
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Some send an email saying you are on the waitlist. Last year Tufts asked if you want to be on the waitlist and a decision would be made in a couple weeks.
 
Does anyone know what a good ADAT score is? I think i just bombed it lmao... I am applying to endo 2022 admission class.

my ADAT scores:
Biomedical sciences: 580
Clinical sciences: 460
Data and research: 450

Overall: 510... LMFAO....

Stats:
GPA 3.53
Rank: 53/81 (I wanted to graduate early thus I only did minimum requirement for my final year in clinic lol(got a couple of B's and C's). My didactic sciences are mostly A's and B+.
will have 4 years of experience in the Navy already.

thanks everyone...
 
AVB2104 said:
Does anyone know what a good ADAT score is? I think i just bombed it lmao... I am applying to endo 2022 admission class.

my ADAT scores:
Biomedical sciences: 580
Clinical sciences: 460
Data and research: 450

Overall: 510... LMFAO....

Stats:
GPA 3.53
Rank: 53/81 (I wanted to graduate early thus I only did minimum requirement for my final year in clinic lol(got a couple of B's and C's). My didactic sciences are mostly A's and B+.
will have 4 years of experience in the Navy already.

thanks everyone...

the higher the better. Howeve, 90% should be a safe score to get. lots of program directors have military background, like LSU, minnesota, and UIC, they didnt show you any love???
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I am applying next year. Uhm 510 corresponds to 54th percentile according to the ADA. website sigh.... my only saving grace was my biomedical science scores
 
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AVB2104 said:
Thanks for the advice. I think I’m gonna apply broadly and see what happens. I can’t really retake the ADAT now lol I just moved overseas for my last 2 years in the navy
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No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
 
MidwestOwl said:
No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
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LOLOLOL. I’m hoping that’s the case hahaha.

Thanks for your input though 🙂
 
MidwestOwl said:
No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
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AVB2104 said:
Thanks for the advice. I think I’m gonna apply broadly and see what happens. I can’t really retake the ADAT now lol I just moved overseas for my last 2 years in the navy
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Honestly, I would apply to strong military programs and/or the Navy man. 4 spots for 13 applicants this past year.
 
AVB2104 said:
LOLOLOL. I’m hoping that’s the case hahaha.

Thanks for your input though 🙂
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MidwestOwl said:
No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
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Totally agree! Seen it many times, I think you will have very high chance
 
MidwestOwl said:
No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
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In my personal experience, I actually don't think military service gets you very far anymore, unfortunately. It seems like there are enough military applicants in the application pool that having military experience doesn't automatically make you that unique. In other words, if there are hundreds of applicants for only a few spots (which seems to be the case this cycle and last), more than one of you probably has a military background, and even if the program director is prior military they are unlikely to take two (or more) of you in the same cohort, especially if you are similar applicants in other ways (demographic background, for example.)

I have five years in the Navy, including a GPR and overseas service, plus a respectable class rank and strong test scores and only ended up with two interviews. I have another friend, also five years in the Navy including overseas service, who only got one interview. Yes, even one interview is a great blessing in this environment; I'm just trying to illustrate that interview invites don't come raining from the sky just because you are military.

I say this not be doom and gloom, but just to encourage military applicants not to rely solely on their military background. I think its still important to have a well rounded application.

Wishing everyone all the best.
 
AVB2104 said:
LOLOLOL. I’m hoping that’s the case hahaha.

Thanks for your input though 🙂
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As an addendum to my earlier post, I'm not sure about SirBrotherJam, but I was asked hardly any questions about my military experience. Most of the questions were still the usual "Why do you want to be an endodontist?", "Why do you want to come to our program?", "Tell us about yourself", etc. So again, I'm not sure how much it matters in this intensely competitive environment.
 
LionMan86 said:
In my personal experience, I actually don't think military service gets you very far anymore, unfortunately. It seems like there are enough military applicants in the application pool that having military experience doesn't automatically make you that unique. In other words, if there are hundreds of applicants for only a few spots (which seems to be the case this cycle and last), more than one of you probably has a military background, and even if the program director is prior military they are unlikely to take two (or more) of you in the same cohort, especially if you are similar applicants in other ways (demographic background, for example.)

I have five years in the Navy, including a GPR and overseas service, plus a respectable class rank and strong test scores and only ended up with two interviews. I have another friend, also five years in the Navy including overseas service, who only got one interview. Yes, even one interview is a great blessing in this environment; I'm just trying to illustrate that interview invites don't come raining from the sky just because you are military.

I say this not be doom and gloom, but just to encourage military applicants not to rely solely on their military background. I think its still important to have a well rounded application.

Wishing everyone all the best.
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I was asked about my military because I focused heavily in my personal statement and geared the interview in that direction as that was probably the biggest thing that set me apart from most other applicants. That being said I didn't get in last year with 5 interviews, no doubt my interviewing skills needed polishing. At best, I would say military can help, not guarantee, you get an interview let alone a spot.
 
SirBrotherJam said:
Honestly, I would apply to strong military programs and/or the Navy man. 4 spots for 13 applicants this past year.
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How do you go about determining which programs look favorably upon military service?
 
Blackca3 said:
How do you go about determining which programs look favorably upon military service?
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you can look up director bio and it will usually tell. all seem to give men/ women in uniform some bonus points. at some programs, it is down right nepotism/ cronyism...
 
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MidwestOwl said:
you can look up director bio and it will usually tell. all seem to give men/ women in uniform some bonus points. at some programs, it is down right nepotism/ cronyism...
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Any that are specifically egregious for this?
 
LionMan86 said:
In my personal experience, I actually don't think military service gets you very far anymore, unfortunately. It seems like there are enough military applicants in the application pool that having military experience doesn't automatically make you that unique. In other words, if there are hundreds of applicants for only a few spots (which seems to be the case this cycle and last), more than one of you probably has a military background, and even if the program director is prior military they are unlikely to take two (or more) of you in the same cohort, especially if you are similar applicants in other ways (demographic background, for example.)

I have five years in the Navy, including a GPR and overseas service, plus a respectable class rank and strong test scores and only ended up with two interviews. I have another friend, also five years in the Navy including overseas service, who only got one interview. Yes, even one interview is a great blessing in this environment; I'm just trying to illustrate that interview invites don't come raining from the sky just because you are military.

I say this not be doom and gloom, but just to encourage military applicants not to rely solely on their military background. I think its still important to have a well rounded application.

Wishing everyone all the best.
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Feels like applying to dental school all over again haha. High stats don’t guarantee acceptance(to your state school especially).
 
I’ve been following this endo cycle from afar (i’m applying to perio myself) and the number of applicants is just crazy! I can’t believe you have to apply to up to 25 schools and maybe not even get an interview. Dentistry can be such a painful field sometimes.
Anyway, good lucks to everyone for the up coming interviews and the last invitations!!
 
aboutthattooth said:
For people that took the ADAT or are going to, what is considered a competitive score?
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It's percentile based, so that should give you an indication. Check the scoring guide for the percentiles associated w/ the raw scores.
 
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I know it's been stressful for everyone but just hang in there and keep going after it. Even a few years isn't that long in the grand scheme. This great specialty is worth it. It doesn't look like I'm getting in this year but I will study my butt off for the ADAT next year and try again until the admins are whittled down. Keep at it. Good luck to everyone still waiting. Hopefully one day I'll be able to call you my endo colleagues.
 
Jalcalde said:
I know it's been stressful for everyone but just hang in there and keep going after it. Even a few years isn't that long in the grand scheme. This great specialty is worth it. It doesn't look like I'm getting in this year but I will study my butt off for the ADAT next year and try again until the admins are whittled down. Keep at it. Good luck to everyone still waiting. Hopefully one day I'll be able to call you my endo colleagues.
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I love your attitude!!. Yep never give up, and good luck with everything.
 
Is it bad to take the ADAT once (without really having studied) to just give it a shot and see how it is and then taking it a second time for the next cycle?
 
I know this is a thread about interviews and I don't want to drag it off topic but since I just took my ADAT and got my scores yesterday (did fairly well) I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about it since people seem to be curious
 
MidwestOwl said:
No offense to those guys/ gals in uniform out there. I know for a fact that at some programs with directors who had military background, as long as the candidate with military background has decent personality, he/ she will be a shoe in....
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So I don't know if there are directors that feel that way, and if they do then that's unfortunate because they'll miss out on good candidates with that mentality. But I also think it's not necessarily the military label that gets you in, but rather what you went through in the military and the experience you gained. For example, you are always working under multiple specialists and higher ranking "bosses" who don't have to like you and often don't care about you. Any endodontic reference letter is always well earned. You basically have to suck up and work under them for at least a year to get a letter. So to get multiple letters it's even more tedious. And they kind of "pimp" you as they'll say. They'll put you through a pre residency where they have you lecture AEGD/ GPR on endodontic topics, prepare case presentations where they roast you, and basically put you on the spot all the time when you run cases by them. So they have to like you and respect you to get a LOR.

And with military experience comes a lot of general dentistry experience, usually at least 4 years. And at some point you have run a clinic, small or big, so you know how to deal with employees. And these are government employees, teenage active duty, people who don't give a ****. Basically have to burn the building down to get fired. You also deal with a ton of BS in the military, so you learn how to just deal with stuff you don't like, put your head down, do the work, and move on. That's a lot of residency.

Lastly, grades still matter. I was top 20 in my class with basically the exact same resume as someone else who applied from the Navy at the exact same time to almost the exact same programs (they applied to a couple more). They were bottom 50% (maybe top 75%). I got 9 interviews, they got 2 (and got in). And to be honest, their resume besides grades and school performance was probably better.

So, I really don't think it's "military" but rather the resume you build in the military.
 
FutureDent020 said:
So I don't know if there are directors that feel that way, and if they do then that's unfortunate because they'll miss out on good candidates with that mentality. But I also think it's not necessarily the military label that gets you in, but rather what you went through in the military and the experience you gained. For example, you are always working under multiple specialists and higher ranking "bosses" who don't have to like you and often don't care about you. Any endodontic reference letter is always well earned. You basically have to suck up and work under them for at least a year to get a letter. So to get multiple letters it's even more tedious. And they kind of "pimp" you as they'll say. They'll put you through a pre residency where they have you lecture AEGD/ GPR on endodontic topics, prepare case presentations where they roast you, and basically put you on the spot all the time when you run cases by them. So they have to like you and respect you to get a LOR.

And with military experience comes a lot of general dentistry experience, usually at least 4 years. And at some point you have run a clinic, small or big, so you know how to deal with employees. And these are government employees, teenage active duty, people who don't give a ****. Basically have to burn the building down to get fired. You also deal with a ton of BS in the military, so you learn how to just deal with stuff you don't like, put your head down, do the work, and move on. That's a lot of residency.

Lastly, grades still matter. I was top 20 in my class with basically the exact same resume as someone else who applied from the Navy at the exact same time to almost the exact same programs (they applied to a couple more). They were bottom 50% (maybe top 75%). I got 9 interviews, they got 2 (and got in). And to be honest, their resume besides grades and school performance was probably better.

So, I really don't think it's "military" but rather the resume you build in the military.
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Nailed it.
 
curiousdental23 said:
Is it bad to take the ADAT once (without really having studied) to just give it a shot and see how it is and then taking it a second time for the next cycle?
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Its not a test that you can just wing and get a good score, unless you remember a lot from the first two years of dental school and have a strong background in biostats. I am five years removed from dental school and had to study a lot.

SupaTooth said:
I know this is a thread about interviews and I don't want to drag it off topic but since I just took my ADAT and got my scores yesterday (did fairly well) I'd be happy to answer any questions anyone might have about it since people seem to be curious
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I also took the ADAT earlier this year and scored pretty well, and am happy to share my thoughts on the experience and how I studied.
 
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Anyone heard from Buffalo? They might have sent interview invites today.
 
Can someone confirm NYU interview dates? And if acceptances are already sent?
 
I received an application completion email today from Columbia. Not expecting much
 
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