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SportPonies said:
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I'm not sure if you're saying you're tinfoiling or I am lol
 
Ok so I have moved alissa village after ISO, her posts just felt decent to me and I liked the re-evaluation of her AM tunnel

I am still going back and forth on cray like every other post. Capri is solid neutral, just got no clue. Stagg is in the same boat. Sporty I'm tempted to move village because I feel like she's a lot more concerned with appearance of being active when she's wolfing than she seems to be here (see: Apocalypse).

So would like thoughts on these players, particularly cray, stagg, and capri, because even rereading their posts hasn't helped me.
 
WildZoo said:
I disagree. I don't recall ever seeing a wolf vig take a midday shot on a sketchy villager. Though happy to be proven wrong. The small chance of being forced to reveal the role wouldn't play into my strategy at least.
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I definitely got my ass shot mid-day by an itchy fingered villager once (and twice overnight by people in this very thread). I will say that I was a wolf at least 2 out of 3 times that happened, I think all 3. Villager blasting mid day is not an unheard of mechanism.
 
DocEspana said:
I definitely got my ass shot mid-day by an itchy fingered villager once (and twice overnight by people in this very thread). I will say that I was a wolf at least 2 out of 3 times that happened, I think all 3. Villager blasting mid day is not an unheard of mechanism.
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I know it's not. I'm talking about wolf vig behavior, because sporty was saying a wolf vig would not have taken that shot.
 
I had a whole thing I had just wrote about how I find the urge to go after mgk to be very suspicious because a dead villager dying mid round would be very stupid for the wolves to do AND doesnt mean that the people they suspect have any real increased likelihood to be wolves.

Bu then I remembered what his role did. I still think it is a little silly to just be like " this is who he was voting for, and we should all get on this right now because now he is dead." but I am also not going to put out a huge screed (can you tell im subtly pissed I had to erase it just before posting) since he is a half assed seer and might actually know stuff. Maybe.
 
Barkley13 said:
Because roles are NAI and it doesn’t make sense to clear someone off a role that could go either way

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Barkley13 said:
Because roles are NAI and it doesn’t make sense to clear someone off a role that could go either way

Who

Who

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Sorry. Not trying to ignore you. Just can't get to a good computer (dual screen) so I can look, copy, paste, etc to answer you. I was iso'ing your posts. It seemed like a wolfy flow when going down. I will try to get them posted later. It seemed like you were half supporting (which I wouldn't expect a wolf to full support another wolf) finn and others that were receiving sus.

I didn't state this as earlier benefit. AM and you seemed to be covering/vouching each other. Pulling on one thread (barks) might also unravel and lead to more (AM). Or if not true help clear AM since you guys seem to be closest link.

I will get to it before vote tonight.
 
mkg323 said:
I thought they tried to shoot you?
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Interesting theory. That was at night though. Know something the rest of us don't?
 
WildZoo said:
Interesting theory. That was at night though. Know something the rest of us don't?
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Just that I'm the only one that seems to remember Genny saying she got shot at. which fits pretty well with James Bond
 
WildZoo said:
Ok so I have moved alissa village after ISO, her posts just felt decent to me and I liked the re-evaluation of her AM tunnel

I am still going back and forth on cray like every other post. Capri is solid neutral, just got no clue. Stagg is in the same boat. Sporty I'm tempted to move village because I feel like she's a lot more concerned with appearance of being active when she's wolfing than she seems to be here (see: Apocalypse).

So would like thoughts on these players, particularly cray, stagg, and capri, because even rereading their posts hasn't helped me.
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I am neutral on all of them as well.
 
mkg323 said:
Just that I'm the only one that seems to remember Genny saying she got shot at. which fits pretty well with James Bond
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I don't think genny mentioned any 007 flavoring on her end though? so I wouldn't assume it was the same role without any evidence to suggest that
 
But I should probably think about this more. If Zenge was a wolf vig, they’d know it would make mkg more suspicious. It would really help my thinking if someone would claim the shot if village. But then probably not a good idea to claim the shot if there are more shots left. Idk. I should be working.
 
DocEspana said:
I had a whole thing I had just wrote about how I find the urge to go after mgk to be very suspicious because a dead villager dying mid round would be very stupid for the wolves to do AND doesnt mean that the people they suspect have any real increased likelihood to be wolves.

Bu then I remembered what his role did. I still think it is a little silly to just be like " this is who he was voting for, and we should all get on this right now because now he is dead." but I am also not going to put out a huge screed (can you tell im subtly pissed I had to erase it just before posting) since he is a half assed seer and might actually know stuff. Maybe.
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I weirdly kinda agree with you, well at least your first paragraph. I fail to understand how Z getting killed during a day cycle automatically makes me look more like a wolf. I had him in village leans, and killing him just draws more attention back to me, as that was his last push. I really can't find the motive for killing him right now
 
genny said:
But I should probably think about this more. If Zenge was a wolf vig, they’d know it would make mkg more suspicious. It would really help my thinking if someone would claim the shot if village. But then probably not a good idea to claim the shot if there are more shots left. Idk. I should be working.
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claiming the shot means they'd become a wolf target. I know people dont agree with my stance of not role revealling, but if no one claims the shot that doesnt mean it wasn't a village vig
 
genny said:
But I should probably think about this more. If Zenge was a wolf vig, they’d know it would make mkg more suspicious. It would really help my thinking if someone would claim the shot if village. But then probably not a good idea to claim the shot if there are more shots left. Idk. I should be working.
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I guess my thinking was if he did look into her and she got a notification, they may have figured it was him since he was pushing her hardest, and maybe it was better to get rid of him and sacrifice making her look worse than to risk another woof being looked at.

But that's making a lot of assumptions. We don't even know if he looked into her. I just want to know if he was right at this point, and I think that plus the possibility of mechanical reasons, plus the clarity it'll bring to the previous vote cycle makes it worth it.
 
WildZoo said:
I guess my thinking was if he did look into her and she got a notification, they may have figured it was him since he was pushing her hardest, and maybe it was better to get rid of him and sacrifice making her look worse than to risk another woof being looked at.

But that's making a lot of assumptions. We don't even know if he looked into her. I just want to know if he was right at this point, and I think that plus the possibility of mechanical reasons, plus the clarity it'll bring to the previous vote cycle makes it worth it.
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Well I can clear up some things. I haven't received any night results saying I was looked at, or whatever Zenge did.
 
Zenge 100% did not use his ability on me, and I had no clue he had one. So lets throw that tinfoil out, along with the "MKG killed/got a wolf pack to kill the person leading a wagon on her in the middle of the day cycle" because I fail to see how I could ever benefit from this situation.
 
SportPonies said:
It just seems too good to be true that a wolf would take that shot. It was... an odd choice for a villager to make, but with so many other less conspicuous choices, I don’t think wolves would’ve made it either.

...or they’d at least wait til night to make it.

I’m honestly wondering if the vig is 3P, based on that.
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This is weird. Most abilities (I think) are day or night, but not any time of day.

At least, that's how I remember it. So 'wait til night' seems weird.
 
mkg323 said:
Zenge 100% did not use his ability on me, and I had no clue he had one. So lets throw that tinfoil out, along with the "MKG killed/got a wolf pack to kill the person leading a wagon on her in the middle of the day cycle" because I fail to see how I could ever benefit from this situation.
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I mean, short of other people claiming he acted on them on other nights, it's basically your word against a ghost.
 
LetItSnow said:
This is weird. Most abilities (I think) are day or night, but not any time of day.

At least, that's how I remember it. So 'wait til night' seems weird.
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Recent vigs have been for use at any time.

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*waits for AM to yell role technicalities*
 
holdthemayo said:
I mean, short of other people claiming he acted on them on other nights, it's basically your word against a ghost.
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I mean sure, but I really havent, and I fail to see how I'd be able to connect some night result specifically to zenge. And I still fail to see how killing him would be worth it, all its done is bring more scrutiny and votes my way.
 
PippyPony said:
ALAN TURING
Who received fully encoded enemy targeting intel each night using using hidden keyword ciphers.
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After reading this again I'm wondering if it was passive
 
mkg323 said:
I mean sure, but I really havent, and I fail to see how I'd be able to connect some night result specifically to zenge. And I still fail to see how killing him would be worth it, all its done is bring more scrutiny and votes my way.
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his death means I cant discuss with him further to get him to change his mind, which was what I was hoping to do today since I was reading him village. and as he was pushing my vote right before he died, obviously thats what people are going to remember most. maybe he was right somewhere else and wolves wanted to get him out, or someone else connected him to his role, or he said something weird in PMs-who knows. But believe me when I say I did not want him dead, and it in no way, shape, or form, would it be in my best interests for him to be dead right now.
 
Barkley13 said:
I feel like it's all a bunch of WIFOM for mkg to say she wouldn't kill zenge because it would make her look bad. Like how kras claimed killing AM while arguing with her was ridiculous and too obvious
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I literally can not think of a single thing that would make it a good idea, not WIFOM I genuinely dont get it.
 
The_Breadmann said:
Slight Village
Shorty and now Mayo-felt that the fight between DocE and Shorty was most likely to be v.v
DocE- Same as above
LIS- liking logic behind posts and don't remember anything that pinged me while ISOing him
Samac- hoping that she was actually cleared by a seer (also kinda iffy for jumping in April's wagon upon reread)
Cray- appreciating the posts she has been commenting on and that is why I was commenting on her things
Finn- liking the more calming and collected posts. was thinking that if there was a wolf in each area that it was between her and AM but have been feeling better here

Neutral
AM- mostly her usual self but does not quite feel the same as she did in the apocalypse game(that being said, pippy cannot really antagonize her)
Stagg- need to hear/reread more
MKG- voted for her last night just because I felt better about Visc so it was more of a jump to (after Zenge getting shot I am inclined to think I need to move her down though)

Slight Wolf
MsP- Still kind of shaky on the logic on voting for April

I voted April day one just because I was sheeping Samac. Was starting to vote Finn just under the belief that perhaps there was a wolf in each starting district but then quickly jumped off when I was told that was very unlikely. The reason why I was feeling okay about voting of MKG last night over Visc was Zenge's arguments(even though I was still not too sure how I felt about Zenge either)

Gonna take a wee break and start ISOing again. I have been awake for 4 hours but I feel like I just woke up 10 minutes ago.
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So what are your thoughts on MsP's interactions with Bob?
 
Not 100% discounting the possibility that wolves killed zenge specifically to try to put more shade on mkg (however unnecessary that seems to me).

I don't know how else we move past it though. Like, days from now I feel like it would still be a question.
 
WildZoo said:
Not 100% discounting the possibility that wolves killed zenge specifically to try to put more shade on mkg (however unnecessary that seems to me).

I don't know how else we move past it though. Like, days from now I feel like it would still be a question.
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Look, if no ones going to step forward, (which honestly I get that) maybe you should consider that one of the people that have voted for him, or have him in their POE shot him, cause I've got nothing to do with it.
 
mkg323 said:
Look, if no ones going to step forward, (which honestly I get that) maybe you should consider that one of the people that have voted for him, or have him in their POE shot him, cause I've got nothing to do with it.
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Do you truly believe it was a village shot and not at all a wolf shot?
 
Animal Midwife said:
Do you truly believe it was a village shot and not at all a wolf shot?
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But yeah it could be a wolf shot, cause they would know zenge and I are v/v, killing him would make me an easy misyeet. I just dont really want to think about James Bond being a wolf 🙁
 
I can't reconcile mkg being a wolf and the vig shot also being wolfy. I can see either being true, but I can't wrap my head around both being true.

I don't really have much of a read on mkg to begin with.I'd love to ask samac more about why she felt mkg was being genuine--are we talking about the information seemed legit and if so, why or are we talking about "I just get good feels". I'd tried to parse this out during the vote, but given the short time frame I don't feel I really got to pursue that as much as I would have liked. Neither Vis nor mkg were my first choice yesterday.

@WildZoo I'm too lazy to find your post again and quote it but why do you feel better about alissa? I'm still thinking possible sketch and I'm not seeing anything that makes me rethink that.

mkg323 said:
I dont think James Bond would make sense as a wolf
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I must have missed something. Where did James Bond come into this?
 
finnickthedog said:
I can't reconcile mkg being a wolf and the vig shot also being wolfy. I can see either being true, but I can't wrap my head around both being true.

I don't really have much of a read on mkg to begin with.I'd love to ask samac more about why she felt mkg was being genuine--are we talking about the information seemed legit and if so, why or are we talking about "I just get good feels". I'd tried to parse this out during the vote, but given the short time frame I don't feel I really got to pursue that as much as I would have liked. Neither Vis nor mkg were my first choice yesterday.

@WildZoo I'm too lazy to find your post again and quote it but why do you feel better about alissa? I'm still thinking possible sketch and I'm not seeing anything that makes me rethink that.


I must have missed something. Where did James Bond come into this?
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James bond killed Zenge, or at least thats how I interpreted the write up
 
capri1722 said:
already explained on the previous page but basically to get info
i don't feel the most confident in it (or any other potential candidate where i might place my vote otherwise) so i might switch later but i gots to follow modgod wishes
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Wait so then who is in your POE? why is there no one that you'd feel confident voting for?

capri1722 said:
based on the role flip i'm wondering if the shot was wolfy
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if the shot is wolfy, how are you reading me?

capri1722 said:
if no one claims the shot by morning i'm switching my vote to sunny and/or investigating z's potential pm partners
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Is this still your plan? Z's only options for PM partner would be Stagg or DocE, how do you feel about them?
 
Dinashadow said:
I think zenge was in a PM group with DocE and stagg and considering he was wolf reading DocE at least at the beginning of the game and stagg has been very absent I don't know if we'll glean any information from that.

Also why just sunny? I would consider mkg too because that's where his vote was and he was pushing both of them
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I see your point. Tbf though I am already on mkg.
Mostly I was just tired and was looking for an excuse to stop refreshing the thread and go to bed.
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finnickthedog said:
I don't love that your singular wolf read is MsP who I feel is very village after the Bob situation.

Had some other thoughts (not specifically about bread) as I was scrolling through my phone trying to sleep last night but I need to read back and find those. First I gotta go get vaccine-d though.
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Heart reacted for the vaccine part
 
finnickthedog said:
I can't reconcile mkg being a wolf and the vig shot also being wolfy. I can see either being true, but I can't wrap my head around both being true.

I don't really have much of a read on mkg to begin with.I'd love to ask samac more about why she felt mkg was being genuine--are we talking about the information seemed legit and if so, why or are we talking about "I just get good feels". I'd tried to parse this out during the vote, but given the short time frame I don't feel I really got to pursue that as much as I would have liked. Neither Vis nor mkg were my first choice yesterday.

@WildZoo I'm too lazy to find your post again and quote it but why do you feel better about alissa? I'm still thinking possible sketch and I'm not seeing anything that makes me rethink that.


I must have missed something. Where did James Bond come into this?
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I'm guessing your first choice was Alissa since your on her again, what about her is still reading wolfy to you?
 
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