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Animal Midwife said:
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (3) - Pippy 44, Dina 35, samac 79
Boq () -
Dina (2) - Boq 66, Wilgy 45
mighty () -
JJJ (4) - mighty 25, Zenge 19, mayo 39, moth 20
moon (1) - JJJ 120
mayo (2) - Nate 53, moon 35

12/13
yeet close in ~3 hours
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@JaggedJimmyJay Your homework was for Nate and I to find each other, but you don't trust Nate's town lean on me today - why? How are other people supposed to trust our reads of each other if you flip town and wouldn't? I'll grant that I'm more middle-of-the road for Nate than he is for me, but none of the posts below moved the needle for you?

NateTheLesser said:
I think my rough ranking at this point is something like this, not entirely ordered:
Zenge
Pippy
samac
mothy
Boq
moonster
JJJ
Dina
Wilgy
genny
mighty
mayo
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NateTheLesser said:
Dina/moonster I can't really clear, though I town lean moonster more than Dina. Partly on gut vibes, it didn't seem like moonster was working with TMI about how Dubz would flip.
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NateTheLesser said:
I used to keep more track, but I stopped at some point. But yeah, we've played a lot, and I don't think I've seen you wolf beyond the game I was running (maybe as a spectator). You're definitely not a noob and I haven't totally followed your thought process here at all points, but one thing I think people should keep in mind is that our homesite isn't forum based and this is a really different vibe and activity level (especially with basically all new people). So. At this point I'm just not really worrying too much about any "off" points, because I think I'll have a better read as the game goes on.
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NateTheLesser said:
I town lean her based on familiarity, and not seeing anything so far that concerns me that much. Not a lock, but I'm not worried about it today.
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Also, why not try to self-pres and vote someone who already has votes?
holdthemayo said:
I've had a really hard time tracking moonshine's character arc.

I could nitpick other things, like somehow not having Zenge at the top (and pippy for that matter).

The thing that pings me the most on it is how much you moon has flip flopped on the extremes of the list.

They had JJJ as a strong village read when they voted for me
Then they voted with me against JJJ
JJJ's read was wrong and they started the day saying that this somehow vindicated him
now they're back to voting with him against me

Like, reads change, but usually not the very top and very bottom flip flopping multiple times in less than two days.
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Yeah, I'm a weird townie. The wolf tell for me might actually be if my reads were very consistent across the board. I have a tendency to reread my posts to mimic internal consistency when I'm wolfing, whereas as town I don't care about that. (I'm also simultaneously aware of my meta and not good at manipulating it. I don't get much practice, though - I've been a wolf maybe 4 times in 4 years? And probably fewer than 10 times in my entire playing career?)
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Your homework assignment is to prove that your push against Dubz and I (specifically with the AND) was not utterly fake and opportunistic. If you'd like an additional assignment that is less hostile, your extra credit assignment is to make it much clearer than it is right now how you read each of the SDN regulars in the game (really everyone not named me).
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I guess I can take a break from drinking with Dina and the cool kids behind the bleachers to answer. Fwiw, I gave a reads list of everyone yesterday. Even quoted it today, you aren't the only one I've sused or had a read on. Just the strongest read.

I'm not sure who counts as SDN regulars because I don't play often anymore.

5. samac - Village lock
6. Zenge142 - Village lock
9. Dinashadow - Low Neutral, she was lower but I liked her response to pressure today. Could be convinced to vote there, but not looking to tonight.
10. genny - always a difficult read. I have her as neutral. She reads like village genny. She parked her vote off wagon, which is something I've seen her do often as a wolf. I can't say that she's never done that as a villager, especially since it wouldn't have really mattered yesterday and would have brought unwelcome suspicion if she just hopped on the wagon late.
11. PippyPony - Village

I'm aware that the list is largely village leaning, which concerns me for familiarity bias, but I just don't see any scenario where samac or zenges could be a wolf. Almost that strong of a feel on Pippy.

As to your other homework assignment. You will only see me through your tunnel vision and have already made up your mind. So, um, my dog ate it.
 
moonstermash said:
@JaggedJimmyJay Your homework was for Nate and I to find each other, but you don't trust Nate's town lean on me today - why? How are other people supposed to trust our reads of each other if you flip town and wouldn't? I'll grant that I'm more middle-of-the road for Nate than he is for me, but none of the posts below moved the needle for you?


Also, why not try to self-pres and vote someone who already has votes?

Yeah, I'm a weird townie. The wolf tell for me might actually be if my reads were very consistent across the board. I have a tendency to reread my posts to mimic internal consistency when I'm wolfing, whereas as town I don't care about that. (I'm also simultaneously aware of my meta and not good at manipulating it. I don't get much practice, though - I've been a wolf maybe 4 times in 4 years? And probably fewer than 10 times in my entire playing career?)
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Didn’t you already say the first thing

Am I hallucinating
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
How do you interpret the progression of her read on me? To summarize, this is what I think I have seen:

- Townish early day 1
- "trending down" late day 1
- votes for me to end day 1
- calls me town who could have been night killed start of day 2 (later acknowledges a misunderstanding of EOD1 events)
- examines that read in response to numerous questions in a nully kind of way
- retains strong town read

I struggle to reconcile this.
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I'm not sure I can make it make sense for you 😆

I mean it threw me a bit that during EOD1 she had Mayo trending up and you trending down based on posts that I was reacting the opposite way to. I'm just not sure I see wolf motivation in that read shift at that time. Dubz was already cooked, shifting from one cw to another wasn't going to change that. I don't think she said anything about Dubz at all. That's what I meant earlier when I said it didn't seem like moonster approached that EOD with TMI that a wolf was about to flip.
 
samac said:
But Dina’s AtE hit me right in the soul
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Sad Puss In Boots GIF
 
holdthemayo said:
I guess I can take a break from drinking with Dina and the cool kids behind the bleachers to answer. Fwiw, I gave a reads list of everyone yesterday. Even quoted it today, you aren't the only one I've sused or had a read on. Just the strongest read.

I'm not sure who counts as SDN regulars because I don't play often anymore.

5. samac - Village lock
6. Zenge142 - Village lock
9. Dinashadow - Low Neutral, she was lower but I liked her response to pressure today. Could be convinced to vote there, but not looking to tonight.
10. genny - always a difficult read. I have her as neutral. She reads like village genny. She parked her vote off wagon, which is something I've seen her do often as a wolf. I can't say that she's never done that as a villager, especially since it wouldn't have really mattered yesterday and would have brought unwelcome suspicion if she just hopped on the wagon late.
11. PippyPony - Village

I'm aware that the list is largely village leaning, which concerns me for familiarity bias, but I just don't see any scenario where samac or zenges could be a wolf. Almost that strong of a feel on Pippy.

As to your other homework assignment. You will only see me through your tunnel vision and have already made up your mind. So, um, my dog ate it.
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There’s also this lens of like familiar vs unfamiliar but to be fair one familiar is already out. Maybe this is hard because the remaining wolves are unfamiliar
I dunno
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
It's something I have said on a few occasions today. I figure you should be reading my posts if anyone is, given that I am one of your few clear reads.
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And I started the day pointing out the earlier inconsistencies. It's why I went back and came up with a timeline, which you posted the same thing right after.

Admittedly, I dontt' remember you saying anything about it, but you do post a lot, so some are bound to fall through the cracks.

Regardless, I was clearly making a joke and can believe in a world where multiple people can arrive at the same conclusion independently of one another.
 
samac said:
So what made you go back at look at PSV’s reasoning?
And what about the whole vote dubz cause packmate thing
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They do have pairing potential. I’m not blind to that. But JJJ was also PSV’s TOP town read, and she flipped village and knows J’s play very well. That’s been weighing on me.

Jay’s play IS different this game. There’s no getting around that.

I wanted Jay to be a hit because Dubz was a hit and it sort of made sense, but in some ways it felt like I was trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
 
moonstermash said:
@JaggedJimmyJay Your homework was for Nate and I to find each other, but you don't trust Nate's town lean on me today - why? How are other people supposed to trust our reads of each other if you flip town and wouldn't? I'll grant that I'm more middle-of-the road for Nate than he is for me, but none of the posts below moved the needle for you?


Also, why not try to self-pres and vote someone who already has votes?

Yeah, I'm a weird townie. The wolf tell for me might actually be if my reads were very consistent across the board. I have a tendency to reread my posts to mimic internal consistency when I'm wolfing, whereas as town I don't care about that. (I'm also simultaneously aware of my meta and not good at manipulating it. I don't get much practice, though - I've been a wolf maybe 4 times in 4 years? And probably fewer than 10 times in my entire playing career?)
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Sigh. Technology fail. Sorry for the redundant ping, JJJ.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
How do you interpret the progression of her read on me? To summarize, this is what I think I have seen:

- Townish early day 1
- "trending down" late day 1
- votes for me to end day 1
- calls me town who could have been night killed start of day 2 (later acknowledges a misunderstanding of EOD1 events)
- examines that read in response to numerous questions in a nully kind of way
- retains strong town read

I struggle to reconcile this.
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Ehhhh and if you're town I can't reconcile this with a plan to chain you to Dubz and misyeet you down the line, either.
 
NateTheLesser said:
Ehhhh and if you're town I can't reconcile this with a plan to chain you to Dubz and misyeet you down the line, either.
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gru_meme.jpg

>Chain Dubz to Jay
>When Dubz dies, Jay looks real bad
>Townread Jay and get suspected yourself
>......
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Wilgy (2) - Pippy 51, Dina 39
Boq () -
Dina (3) - Boq 66, Wilgy 50, Zenge 27
mighty () -
JJJ (3) - mighty 26, mayo 46, moth 20
moon (2) - JJJ 124, samac 93
mayo (2) - Nate 60, moon 39

12/13
Missing: genny 16
yeet close in ~2 hours
 
(In the game I modded where moonster was a wolf, for some reason the wolves chained all their role claims together in such a way that any one of them dying would have outed like 3 others. Was funny. But they won, so it didn't matter)
 
samac said:
@Zenge142 can I get a reads list from you pls
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Village-
Samac
Boquise
Dr.Wilgy
Pippy

genny?

Neutral-
Nate
Mothy?
Mighty
Moony?
JJJ 😤
Mayo (if I’m not going to wolf read Jay then Mayo does need to go down here I think and get more scrutiny).

Wolfy-
DinaDinaBoBina - It’s really hard to say that she’s not wolfing because she’s doing that floaty oil on water thing wolf Dina does, but it also looks like Busy!Dina, and she’s said she’s busy, so I’m conflicted on this.
 
Zenge142 said:
Village-
Samac
Boquise
Dr.Wilgy
Pippy

genny?

Neutral-
Nate
Mothy?
Mighty
Moony?
JJJ 😤
Mayo (if I’m not going to wolf read Jay then Mayo does need to go down here I think and get more scrutiny).

Wolfy-
DinaDinaBoBina - It’s really hard to say that she’s not wolfing because she’s doing that floaty oil on water thing wolf Dina does, but it also looks like Busy!Dina, and she’s said she’s busy, so I’m conflicted on this.
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Should probably consider likely compatibility with Dina/JJJ/mayo as I have a feeling they’ll be big topics of discussion and one of us dies tonight
 
Zenge142 said:
Village-
Samac
Boquise
Dr.Wilgy
Pippy

genny?

Neutral-
Nate
Mothy?
Mighty
Moony?
JJJ 😤
Mayo (if I’m not going to wolf read Jay then Mayo does need to go down here I think and get more scrutiny).

Wolfy-
DinaDinaBoBina - It’s really hard to say that she’s not wolfing because she’s doing that floaty oil on water thing wolf Dina does, but it also looks like Busy!Dina, and she’s said she’s busy, so I’m conflicted on this.
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Busy Dina went down in pasta and I know when she actually died she had life stuff going on, but when she was getting attention how do you feel with her play here be there?
You were modding so I don’t know how close you paying attention but I was wolfing and remember Notta
 
Just a note that Dubz was consistent with her POE. Her only GTH wolfreads were samac/moonster/Pippy/mayo, and later on after she was being wagoned it was the same 4 names 🤔
 
NateTheLesser said:
(In the game I modded where moonster was a wolf, for some reason the wolves chained all their role claims together in such a way that any one of them dying would have outed like 3 others. Was funny. But they won, so it didn't matter)
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I inadvertedly started it, and didn't realize it was a bad idea until it was too late.
Zenge142 said:
Village-
Samac
Boquise
Dr.Wilgy
Pippy

genny?

Neutral-
Nate
Mothy?
Mighty
Moony?
JJJ 😤
Mayo (if I’m not going to wolf read Jay then Mayo does need to go down here I think and get more scrutiny).

Wolfy-
DinaDinaBoBina - It’s really hard to say that she’s not wolfing because she’s doing that floaty oil on water thing wolf Dina does, but it also looks like Busy!Dina, and she’s said she’s busy, so I’m conflicted on this.
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Wilgy town? Can you elaborate on that (or link me to earlier thoughts)? Because JJJ isn't that particularly confident on him either way, and he's floating in most other people's POEs, it seems.
 
I’m also thinking about how in an open set up like this a role reveal would potentially be all clearing since the Prs are open. Huh.
 
NateTheLesser said:
Just a note that Dubz was consistent with her POE. Her only GTH wolfreads were samac/moonster/Pippy/mayo, and later on after she was being wagoned it was the same 4 names 🤔
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Rule of 3 (4), and one of us is scum? Or do you think Dubz was powerwolfing and had zero buddies here? For the former, I think I'd go Pippy, samac, mayo from least to most suss in that group.
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
Dubz/Wilgy interactions

Dubz on Wilgy:


Some of that may be difficult to follow just given the quoting and search functions here. These either are about Wilgy or responses to Wilgy. This is another case where Dubz's GTH rationale is inconsistent (which could be attributed merely to the fact that they were fake). She was neutral on Wilgy in that second-last post but GTH town read him (while being neutral on mayo and GTH wolf reading him). There's not much else happening here to talk about.

Wilgy on Dubz:

~~~

These aren't entirely in order. The tildes ~~~ separate the "Dubz" and "WildZoo" mentions.

The things I highlighted in orange are fun. "What's up with the Dubz wagon?" followed by "vote Dubz" in the space of about one minute. I am going to call that NAI for someone like Wilgy. Otherwise this material doesn't make me feel much either way. On one hand I can appreciate Wilgy's combined perspectives -- slight town read on Dubz | willing to listen to the Dubz case when it appears from multiple SDN sources | more suspicious of mayo and Pippy --> those are pretty similar to where I was at through the progression of yesterday. Nonetheless there is a case to be made if one wants to, and it'd be basically the same as the case against me (if perhaps not as loud, and I understand the case against me even if the conclusion is incorrect) with the wifom added of the tie-making vote.

Conclusion:

I don't think this interaction clears DrWilgy. I don't really think it makes him look worse either. It's all quite "rand" in my eyes. I will likely continue to assess him at face value instead of with this stuff.
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I've decided to stop being a weenie about Wilgy's vote. He's probably town. That's how I felt yesterday. Not a "strong" read but who cares. Wilgy is not town for that Dubz vote, but he isn't mafia for it either. I think just as a base assessment of his play and my knowledge of him, I need to give him more credit. He looks like his town body.

Last post for a half hour.
 
moonstermash said:
Rule of 3 (4), and one of us is scum? Or do you think Dubz was powerwolfing and had zero buddies here? For the former, I think I'd go Pippy, samac, mayo from least to most suss in that group.
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Yar, you. (this is like a 45% accuracy read).
 
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