LECOM Bradenton Discussion Thread 2011-2012

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I have a pant suit with a long sleeve button up. I'm worried I'm going to be sweaty! haha, oh well. At least I'll look professional...

I have a question about parking on campus. I don't see any information about that in the interview email. For those of you who interviewed already: did you have to pay for parking/ was there plenty of parking/ did you have to look around for parking?? I'm trying to get an idea of what time I should actually arrive on campus.

Thanks!

There is a big parking lot with plenty of room, especially early in the morning when you get there, it filled up a bit by the end of the interview. Just make sure you enter through the back door (nearest the parking lot) you need to check in with security there
 
Does anyone know if LECOM-B or Erie uses the simulated patients like STAN? Not the standardized (live) patients but the robotic dummies that medical students can practice situations such as cardiac arrest, chest pain, etc. Where an operator controls the speech from a remote location.
 
Does anyone know if LECOM-B or Erie uses the simulated patients like STAN? Not the standardized (live) patients but the robotic dummies that medical students can practice situations such as cardiac arrest, chest pain, etc. Where an operator controls the speech from a remote location.

Not sure about Erie, but I don't think we do in Bradenton (we didn't when I went through there, and I haven't heard of them getting one.)

I've seen these dummies, and I think a trained standardized patient is far superior, in most cases. I know the dummies are better at simulating "real" exam findings (like a specific heart murmur, for example), but there are only a few things a real patient can't fake (heart murmurs being one), and these are often easily available as recordings to listen to...

A good patient can pretend to have abdominal pain and tenderness, or pretty much whatever you want.

I think some of the specific simulation is overkill for 1st and 2nd year. Your job 1st and 2nd year is to learn the basic sciences, and get good at BASIC clinical exam TECHNIQUES. Just get very efficient at doing the exam, and the order. Get a flow and a system down. You'll see PLENTY of the weird stuff when you're out on rotations, there's no need to see fake weird stuff before hand, IMO. Those robots look cool, but they're so incredibly expensive...I think it's a waste of money. It's like our schools that finally get some funding, then instead of increasing teacher salaries, they go and buy "smart boards" for every classroom. 🙄 Yet, there are countries without any computers at all beating the pants off us in education...
 
I've seen these dummies, and I think a trained standardized patient is far superior, in most cases. I know the dummies are better at simulating "real" exam findings (like a specific heart murmur, for example), but there are only a few things a real patient can't fake (heart murmurs being one), and these are often easily available as recordings to listen to...

A good patient can pretend to have abdominal pain and tenderness, or pretty much whatever you want.

What about practicing certain techniques like intubation or defibrillation?
I don't think a standardized patient would appreciate being defibrillated or intubated lol
 
Has everyone been accepted thus far who has interviewed? I haven't heard of anyone who has been denied, but if I'm wrong please correct me.
 
What about practicing certain techniques like intubation or defibrillation?
I don't think a standardized patient would appreciate being defibrillated or intubated lol

We do have some cheap dummies for intubation. Don't really need a dummy for defib.

Intubation is a pretty specialized skill, and is not something you NEED to know as a late 2nd year. If you do, then cool, but if not, it's not a big deal. There is no dummy that compares to the real thing anyways, so its kinda silly and you'll get plenty of practice doing intubations 3rd year if you want to.

Oranges are good for injections. We have fake IV arms to practice that. A set of Ribs from the butcher work great for chest tube practice. Chicken works well for suturing. You dont have a lot of time to sit around doing this kind of stuff though. You'll be too busy studying things you actually have to know to practice for your EM rotation.
 
Yea, in my opinion those smart sim dummies are more a cool factor and selling point than a practical tool for the first 2 years.

During years 1 and 2 you really need to focus on the basics of a good history and physical exam, not practicing more advanced specific skills. And really, nothing beats an actual person for practing history/exam skills.

Beyond being somewhat familiar with the basics of certain procedures you wil not be expected to proficient in much going into 3/4th years, and really even residency save for being able to do a decent H&P and exam. Intubating a dummy is fine to learn the mechanics and the steps, but doesn't really compare to a live person.
You will be looked MUCH more highly upon if you go into 3rd year and then residency able to do a competent history and exam as opposed to having tons of experience with specific procedures.
 
LECOM-B 3rd year here... I was a paramedic in my past life, and here's my opinion on learning skills the first 2 years: Meh.

I know everybody wants to get in there and do stuff, but skills are far from the most important thing to cram into the pre-clinical years. As Digitl says, the first two years are best spent hitting the books and learning to do a good H&P (and the specialty exams like eye/neuro/musculoskel/etc). Then, in 3rd year, you're expected to know how to do an H&P well, and they'll guide you through the skills as they come (and if, based on your H&P's & demeanor, you seem to be able to doctor your way out of a paper bag). If you think somebody's going to hand you a laryngoscope in the hall on your first day of 3rd year and say, "Go intubate this lady for me--I'll be in the break room if you have any questions," then med school will be a little different from how you've imagined it. Your first few skills (even with prior experience) are likely to be be heavily supervised.

The EM club has IV arms and an intubation dummy; and they've put on skills clinics the past couple of years to introduce all the 2nd years to IV's, intubation, etc. The surgical club runs suture clinics every year, and last year did a "intro to sterile technique & scrubbing in" clinic as well. If you take advantage of these opportunities, you'll have a good, basic intro to the most important skills to know for 3rd year. In a perfect world, there would be more formal instruction in skills, but given that there's only a certain amount of time, that's time that would come at the expense of something else. (When you have an exam coming up, anything else you have to do--even a 20-minute encounter with a standardized patient--is a mildly annoying distraction, especially if you like to study at home and have to come back to campus just for that.)

Incidentally, last spring, the school entered into some kind of agreement with a college in Sarasota that opened up a skills lab for their nursing program. My understanding was that LECOM students would get to go over there a few times, and in return the nursing students would get to see some of our standard patients; but I haven't kept up with the on-campus news, what with all the H&P's I've been doing.

Specifically relating to defibs and intubations, you will go through BCLS (CPR & AED) in first year and ACLS at the end of second year, so you'll be introduced to those things and even get a couple of wallet cards to prove it. 🙂

Any questions, let me know. Good luck to all of you applying.
 
Just interviewed today with a bunch of people. Some SDNers, some not. Really is a pretty laid back interview. Seem to be generally laid back and really conversational. (probably because PBL puts most of the stress on the students not staff).

20 minute 1 on 1 interview, really went by fast. Different interviewers for different people. Personally my interviewer asked me some standard questions (osteopathy, why medicine? why lecom? why pbl? why are u a good fit? what makes you stand out?) and some weird specifics (grade trend, specific questions about academics)

Been told it was a closed folder interview as in they dont have information about you before interviewing but after that im not so sure. HOWEVER she did ask me why i did poorly in physics when i actually did quite well in physics so i'm a little confused.

overall i think it went well, we'll see next week.
 
I hope it went well, they told us our only options were accept or wait-list (assuming your file is complete).... Assuming that's true we all have a good chance... can't say what the other interview dates were told...
 
Did you guys send a thank you email after interviewing? I'm looking for an email address to send it to but haven't found one.
 
Did you guys send a thank you email after interviewing? I'm looking for an email address to send it to but haven't found one.
They have already made a decision, so.... unless you're just doing it to be nice, it won't get there before they review your file
 
They have already made a decision, so.... unless you're just doing it to be nice, it won't get there before they review your file

Just checked the portal and you're right about that. It says "The Admissions Committee has made a decision on your application. You will receive an official letter in the mail within 30 days."

Does that mean we can call to find out? I'm nervous.
 
Just checked the portal and you're right about that. It says "The Admissions Committee has made a decision on your application. You will receive an official letter in the mail within 30 days."

Does that mean we can call to find out? I'm nervous.

I tried, they wouldn't tell me. The lady said the dean hadn't seen the applications yet....seems strange
 
why snail mail!? I was rejected by MD schools through Email.... lol
 
got this in my admission status:

The Admissions Committee has made a decision on your application. You will receive an official letter in the mail within 30 days.

Also called, and the same answer wait for the letter.
 
got this in my admission status:

The Admissions Committee has made a decision on your application. You will receive an official letter in the mail within 30 days.

Also called, and the same answer wait for the letter.

So they said the decision was made?

I hope it comes in the mail really soon.
 
So they said the decision was made?

I hope it comes in the mail really soon.

no it was weird, they also said that they haven't looked at applications. I'll update asap as soon as i receive the letter of acceptance or rejection.
 
no it was weird, they also said that they haven't looked at applications. I'll update asap as soon as i receive the letter of acceptance or rejection.

I think they said the committee was meeting on Wednesday (tomorrow). And then it would take a few days for the letter to arrive in the mail. So it makes sense that they haven't looked at applications yet; I assume the portal just changed early.

I might call tomorrow.
 
We were told yesterday that the woman who is in charge of sending out the letters and answering phone calls about acceptance is going to be on vacation until next week. So we will have to wait a few extra days to find out.
 
"We were told yesterday that the woman who is in charge of sending out the letters and answering phone calls about acceptance is going to be on vacation until next week. So we will have to wait a few extra days to find out."

This is exactly the correct answer. Annette's out on vacation this week. They said the committee is meeting today (probably already done). They pretty much implied to not call till next week. Most likely Tuesday since Monday is Labor day.
 
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So I just got my MCAT score back and I go a 25R (10vr/8ps/7bs) shame because I got an 8 last time I took it (and had a 22), has *anyone* been offered an interview with a 25?? I am from a top 20 university and have a 3.46cun/3.24sci gpa with awesome extra cirriculars + a full time job at the hospital my whole undergrad. I just want an interview -- should I even hold my breath? I was thinking of sending a letter of intent next week. My secondary has been complete for months as I waited for this new score to come out. Any advice would be awesome. This is my #1 choice school.
 
So I just got my MCAT score back and I go a 25R (10vr/8ps/7bs) shame because I got an 8 last time I took it (and had a 22), has *anyone* been offered an interview with a 25?? I am from a top 20 university and have a 3.46cun/3.24sci gpa with awesome extra cirriculars + a full time job at the hospital my whole undergrad. I just want an interview -- should I even hold my breath? I was thinking of sending a letter of intent next week. My secondary has been complete for months as I waited for this new score to come out. Any advice would be awesome. This is my #1 choice school.

I can't say for sure. I know multiple people who have been accepted with 26's, but that was in my class or the class before, 4-5 years ago. I think I've heard of a 25 of even 24, but I can't say for sure.

If it helps, I got a almost the exact same scores as you (except I got 10 in bio, which obviously helped my overall score).

I don't think the 8 in physics will hurt you. I have long said that if there is a true difference between MD's and DO's, it's that the MD's did better on MCAT physics than us. Almost all my friends I've talked to about this did meh on the MCAT physics (often due to just hating math or poor math skill, in my case being gone from math for too long and I was rusty).
 
I was offered an interview with a 26 (with a 7PS) but I was wait-listed, which I think in reality means rejected because from the sound of it once you get an interview no one gets 'rejected' you only get accepted or 'alternately' accepted or wait-listed... soooo... of the 800 people they're going to interview, ~200 will get 'accepted' and 600 will get wait-listed/rejected
 
Can Any LECOM-B Students please pitch into this question.

How is LECOM-B in terms of student integration? When I interviewed, I felt that many of the students had a repetitive schedule of going to PBL, going to a lab and then going home to study. Then repeat again and again. Do students get to know each other by after hours group studying, hanging out? Does the offer of student affairs promote student unity in any way?

Also, How is the town of Bradenton? Since I only had two days, I didn't get a chance to explore much. I tried looking for restaurants (like outback, chilis, etc.) and ended up with BK. Are there movie theaters? Night life?

The curriculum looks great and the school is my prime choice but I'm just a little curious about what there is outside of the curriculum. I see that there is a lot of work (which there should be), but how is the play?

Any feedback is much appreciated. Thanks!
 
Can Any LECOM-B Students please pitch into this question.

How is LECOM-B in terms of student integration? When I interviewed, I felt that many of the students had a repetitive schedule of going to PBL, going to a lab and then going home to study. Then repeat again and again. Do students get to know each other by after hours group studying, hanging out? Does the offer of student affairs promote student unity in any way?

Also, How is the town of Bradenton? Since I only had two days, I didn't get a chance to explore much. I tried looking for restaurants (like outback, chilis, etc.) and ended up with BK. Are there movie theaters? Night life?

The curriculum looks great and the school is my prime choice but I'm just a little curious about what there is outside of the curriculum. I see that there is a lot of work (which there should be), but how is the play?

Any feedback is much appreciated. Thanks!
First of all not all the classes are taught PBL style. But as far as the PBL style goes, it does get repetitive. You switch "groups" every semester and a faculty member ever 10 weeks or something like that. I think most of the student interaction will take place either in your group, or with a close group of friends you develop initially in the non-pbl style classes. Otherwise I see PBL as a same repetitive schedule kind of thing. The hours that you meet are set as well as the room so other interaction would probably be less likely.

After talking with some people in the Bradenton Area, I've come to the conclusion that Bradenton is kind of a small town. There are restaurants if you wanna venture a little farther (University Parkway). I think i saw a couple of theaters as well.

Honestly, from what they are telling us it seems like it'll be VERY intense studying so I don't really see anyone having a HUGE night life or anything of that sort going on. Occassionally I could see it, but then you could venture an hour north into Tampa, or 20 minutes south into Sarasota to fulfill that. Bradenton itself may not be the biggest nightspot but there are nearby cities that could fill that void.

Oh I'm not a current student, thats just the impression I got from my 3 days there and talking to people.
 
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I'm not sure I'd call the schedule "repetitive", especially compared to traditional lecture based where you may have 8-5 lecture each day. Remember, PBL small group time is only 2hrs, 3x a week, Beyond the other few scheduled courses during the week the rest of the day is up to you.

For the most part people found their own close small group of friends who they studied well with and stuck with them when it came to study time. But overall I'd say our class was fairly close and did a lot together with a good bit of mixing.

Bradenton/Sarasota is basically suburbia. Nothing too exciting but you are in med school and don't really have time for big city adventures. That said, we had tons of fun hitting up local bars after exams and driving up to Tampa or St Pete for a night out.
 
Can Any LECOM-B Students please pitch into this question.

How is LECOM-B in terms of student integration? When I interviewed, I felt that many of the students had a repetitive schedule of going to PBL, going to a lab and then going home to study. Then repeat again and again. Do students get to know each other by after hours group studying, hanging out? Does the offer of student affairs promote student unity in any way?

The school schedule is somewhat repetitive, basically 2 hours a class each day, either PBL (MWF) or Clinical/OMM lecture (Tuesday) or OMM lab (Thursday). Despite this, you'll make a good sized group of friends and be well acquainted with much of the rest of the class.

I, for example, have a close group of about 12 friends and they're some of the best friends I've ever had. You add to this another 30-50 people that you know kinda well and like and would hang out with but don't have time, and another 50 that you barely know but are friendly with and there you have it.

There are numerous school/club sponsored activities as well, such as the soccer games or various medical projects. Many of the students also live in the same neighborhoods/apartments (Yacht Club or Colonial Grand being the most popular, I think), so that helps.

Also, How is the town of Bradenton? Since I only had two days, I didn't get a chance to explore much. I tried looking for restaurants (like outback, chilis, etc.) and ended up with BK. Are there movie theaters? Night life?

Bradenton-Sarasota should be thought of as one metro area. They're not separated by anything but a line on a map. There are plenty of bars, some in the Lakewood Ranch area near LECOM, some in Downtown Sarasota, and some out at the beaches (St. Armand's or Siesta Key). If you're looking for a place to go throw back a couple cold ones after a test with some friends, you won't have any trouble finding a place. There are a couple of places with a world class beer selection (World of Beer and Cock & Bull, which is world famous, despite being the definition of "dive"). McAllister's in LWR has an excellent selection of nice irish whiskys. Other places you can google: Linkster's, Horse Feathers, Cevice, Gilligan's, Beach Club, Daiquiri Deck, Siesta Key Oyster Bar, Urban Flats, umm...that's enough to start with.

If you're looking for a place to go out and pick up girls/boys, you might have a bit more trouble. Many of my younger/single friends complained that the singles scene here in town was lacking and would often go to Tampa for that. There are certainly some fun bars to go dancing at, but there's not a ton of younger people at them usually...they did base that show Cougartown on Sarasota, you know 😉

There are TONS of movie theaters. There is a 16 or so screen near school, on SR 70 up by WalMart, and another 20 screen in downtown Sarasota. There's also an excellent theater in Lakewood Ranch Main Street that has a few screens, and sells beer. Those were my favorites. There are a zillion others, and a discount theater with older movies, but I never went there.

The highlight of the area is, of course, the beaches. Siesta Key beach is nothing short of the greatest beach in the known universe (#1 in the USA this year, woot!). It has spoiled me for all other beaches forever, and this will be my family's beach vacation spot for the rest of our lives. I spent a good amount of time there, because there is nothing better than heading down there with some friends and a good medical textbook, besides not having the textbook, which is what I'm hoping to do this week! eek!

There's a thriving theater scene here in Bradenton/Sarasota, both community (which is one of the best in the country, they've won awards) and professional touring shows come to the Van Wezel all the time. There's also excellent Symphony, Opera, and Ballet companies, and a cool art museum (Ringling).

Tampa is very close, and has tons of sports (Rays baseball, Lightning hockey, Bucs football). USF football and basketball is there too. Tons of concerts there too. Busch Gardens is a popular day trip to Tampa, and the nightlife in Tampa is pretty rocking. Disney World and/or Universal in Orlando is 2 hours away but is a popular weekend trip. My family (and many of our friends) got year long, Florida resident discount passes to Disney and used the hell out of them. It was a blast! Never too old. Harder to study there though, but it's worth doing first year, after anatomy, IMO. We went around once every 4-6 weeks or so, depending on the test schedule, for the weekend. Sometimes we'd just drive up for a day, but more rarely. We often went for holidays: Thanksgiving, XMas, 4th of July, New year's, Easter, etc. There are many special events going on at these times that are tons of fun!

Anyways...unless you're used to NYC or Chicago sized places, you shouldn't have any excuse to be bored. It is suburbia, but you're within a 20 minute drive of a TON of awesome things, an hour drive of a major US city, and a 2 hour drive of one of the most popular vacation destinations in the world. Plenty to do, and you're supposed to be studying anyways!
 
Thank you for the student perspective nlax and digit! It was difficult getting a feel for the place in such short time. Everyone I've spoken to loves the school/education so it definitely has a great reputation. 😀
 
If you're looking for a place to go out and pick up girls/boys, you might have a bit more trouble. Many of my younger/single friends complained that the singles scene here in town was lacking and would often go to Tampa for that. There are certainly some fun bars to go dancing at, but there's not a ton of younger people at them usually...they did base that show Cougartown on Sarasota, you know 😉

^ I am a bit concerned about this. Haha. I'm used to living in a big city where there are lots of singles and young people, so I can go out and meet girls whenever I feel like it. Sounds like Tampa is the place to go.

Good to see such a detailed post about the things to do in Sarasota-Bradenton.
 
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ACCEPTED!!! woot woot... ::dance::
Congratulations!!! When did you interview? I interviewed on August 29th and the status on my portal has changed to "an admissions decision has been made" but I was wondering if I should call or not...did you receive an e-mail?
 
Congratulations!!! When did you interview? I interviewed on August 29th and the status on my portal has changed to "an admissions decision has been made" but I was wondering if I should call or not...did you receive an e-mail?


interviewed 8/26. I emailed them and I got a phone call this morning. 🙂

I suspect you could email them or call and find out.
 
interviewed 8/26. I emailed them and I got a phone call this morning. 🙂

I suspect you could email them or call and find out.

Congrats! I interviewed on the 26th too but they wouldn't tell me when I called. They said the dean had not signed off yet on the decisions or something. Strange to me that they told you but not others.
 
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Congrats! I interviewed on the 26th too but they wouldn't tell me when I called. They said the dean had not signed off yet on the decisions or something. Strange to me that they told you but not others.

They'll probably let you know if you call tomorrow! They let me know I got in (and I interviewed on the 26th as well)
 
Congrats to all of those who have been accepted! I am interviewing on the 9th of September. Is anyone else interviewing on that date?
 
Congrats to all of those who have been accepted! I am interviewing on the 9th of September. Is anyone else interviewing on that date?

Again, if anyone wants to meet up for dinner or anything before (or after) your interview, PM me your emails and we'll get a list going. I'll be happy to have dinner and answer any questions you guys have.
 
Congrats! I interviewed on the 26th too but they wouldn't tell me when I called. They said the dean had not signed off yet on the decisions or something. Strange to me that they told you but not others.


hmm, I think others on here had the same thing happen (told over the phone)
 
To the people who got accepted from the 9/26 interview, do you know if calling changes when your deposite is due? I mean is it due 30 days earlier because you found out 30 days earlier? Thanks
 
To the people who got accepted from the 9/26 interview, do you know if calling changes when your deposite is due? I mean is it due 30 days earlier because you found out 30 days earlier? Thanks

I interviewed on the 26th. She said it would be due sometime in October and the exact date should be in the letter they send out.
 
I just called, they still wouldn't tell me. You must be more charming than I am
 
Hey guys. I haven't used SDN in... gosh, going on three years now. My buddy here, Digitlnoize, has been helping you out, I'm sure ^_^ He and I are both classmates and applying for residency (today, in fact). I'll try to troll these boards and help answer any questions you guys might have. Good luck to all of you applying and have fun this interview season!

-Lumas
 
Admissions status on portal just changed to interview invite. Looked back and saw someone said they got the email itself about 24 hours later after their status changed. Should I call or just wait for the email?
 
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