Midwestern University Chicago (CCOM) Discussion Thread 2015 - 2016

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@Ioannes Paulus I'll certainly ask those questions of students and faculty at second look day next week and let you know what I find out, I'm curious too. I'm hoping there's some flexibility with the electives/away rotations 4th year. Also, the fact that there's no cap on tuition is kinda gross. The CCOM alums that I work with are unanimously shocked when they hear the current pricetag.

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Will most likely be declining my offer of acceptance due to financial constraints. It's an amazing school and I would've loved to attend. Best of luck to everyone!
 
Will most likely be declining my offer of acceptance due to financial constraints. It's an amazing school and I would've loved to attend. Best of luck to everyone!
Best of luck to you elsewhere 🙂
 
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@Ioannes Paulus I'll certainly ask those questions of students and faculty at second look day next week and let you know what I find out, I'm curious too. I'm hoping there's some flexibility with the electives/away rotations 4th year. Also, the fact that there's no cap on tuition is kinda gross. The CCOM alums that I work with are unanimously shocked when they hear the current pricetag.
I think the precise question could be how many elective months are given, how many of them could be used for audition rotations? and is there a cap for how many electives you can do in one field. The online catalogue and the pdf catalogue adress the issue differently and I dont have a clear picture of how it works out.
 
Nothing yet. I've been refreshing the portal most of the day.


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They're supposed to go over more candidates this week so I'm assuming they just never got to us last month. We should hear in the next week or two I bet
 
They're supposed to go over more candidates this week so I'm assuming they just never got to us last month. We should hear in the next week or two I bet

Yep, I emailed to ask for an update and they said I'm still in interviewed status and under consideration. I figured I was waiting for the rejection letter in the mail.
 
I think the precise question could be how many elective months are given, how many of them could be used for audition rotations? and is there a cap for how many electives you can do in one field. The online catalogue and the pdf catalogue adress the issue differently and I dont have a clear picture of how it works out.
I'll ask these questions and get back to you this weekend 🙂
 
I think the precise question could be how many elective months are given, how many of them could be used for audition rotations? and is there a cap for how many electives you can do in one field. The online catalogue and the pdf catalogue adress the issue differently and I dont have a clear picture of how it works out.

I'm a first year, so I don't really have all the details on rotations, but I'm pretty sure we get 7 electives in fourth year. And you can do a maximum of either 3 or 4 in the same field? Pretty sure all electives are completely your choice, so by definition they can be out of CCOM's network i.e. can be used for auditions/aways/whatever your heart desires. Dr. Nichols, the dean, mentioned recently that they are currently making some changes to the clinical rotations to allow more students to do a neurology rotation in third year, based on student feedback, and likely some other changes as well. I think currently third year students get one elective slot, but that might be increased for the class of 2020 (maybe even '19). @absie107 you should definitely ask to clarify at second look day and post what you find out!
 
Nope! I've been checking every hour. I hope we'll get news tomorrow if they do indeed meet on Thursdays like someone else said. Good luck everyone!
 
Anyone get any news today?


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Nope! I've been checking every hour. I hope we'll get news tomorrow if they do indeed meet on Thursdays like someone else said. Good luck everyone!

My applicant checklist updated this morning with the required prerequisite courses. Not sure what it means, I didn't get a "proof of bachelor's degree" notice which means waitlist. Nothing in the accepted checklist either. Possibly a rejection? Did any other February interviews update yet?


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Mine updated in the exact same way


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I called CCOM admissions earlier today and they told me I'm on the waitlist; they said they have letters scheduled to be delivered today. I havent seen any changes on the accepted student checklist.
 
I also got on the alternative list, and my portal did not change for the most part. My checklist added a new prerequisite list with courses completed though.
 
For all thinking about housing, looks like you can find places for multiple roommates as low as $500-700/month, and on campus housing is maybe $800-900/month for a single person. Also in case anybody was interested, they have an OMM fellowship thing where if you get it, you stay on an extra year to intersperse some TA-ing for OMM classes with your rotations/electives, but they pay for half your tuition. Just fyi! 🙂
 
Hmmm this is interesting
CCOM is planning to keep interviewing until mid April but it looks like no one got an acceptance from the past few dates? Is that true?
 
My portal also updated with the required prereqs but I didn't receive a letter. Do the prereqs only mean alternate list or could it also be a rejection?
 
My portal also updated with the required prereqs but I didn't receive a letter. Do the prereqs only mean alternate list or could it also be a rejection?

I don't think your portal changes at all if it is a rejection. Your safest bet is to just call admissions and ask them to clarify.
 
Hmmm this is interesting
CCOM is planning to keep interviewing until mid April but it looks like no one got an acceptance from the past few dates? Is that true?

No SDN acceptances on Friday, it seems. Very weird. Though SDN obviously doesn't account for every single person that got a verdict on Friday.
 
Has anyone here actually got an official "alternative list" letter in the mail or even email yet? I'm kinda hoping the fact that I have not been "officially" notified that I'm on the alternative list would be a good sign.
 
Has anyone here actually got an official "alternative list" letter in the mail or even email yet? I'm kinda hoping the fact that I have not been "officially" notified that I'm on the alternative list would be a good sign.
If I recall, portal changes were like this last year:
  • Required prereqs + matriculation agreement = accepted
  • Required prereqs only = waitlist
 
Is there anyone else that was dissapointed with the interview day? It was one of the shortest interview days I had in the cycle and I felt that we weren't given any new/compelling info about the school?
The Admissions Director didn't know too much about CCOM or the cycle, the interview was 20 minutes long, the tour lasted 15 minutes, financial aid officer was unhelpful...
I still don't really know how the curriculum works. Because it follows the traditional form of medical education, do students have finals all on the same week? Some students here mentioned that the clinical curriculum might be changing but no one touched on the subject during the day. Do students get fridays off?
How do students with families deal with the high tuition? Why is the tuition so high in the first place? Why isn't the school working to make CCOM more affordable and , instead, just saying that the tuition will go up every year?
I loved the complimentary lunch (best lunch I had at a med school interview, both MD and DO) but I was a little disspointed at how unimformative the interview day was. Maybe because the cycle is wrapping up? Did anyone else have a similar experience?
 
Is there anyone else that was dissapointed with the interview day? It was one of the shortest interview days I had in the cycle and I felt that we weren't given any new/compelling info about the school?
The Admissions Director didn't know too much about CCOM or the cycle, the interview was 20 minutes long, the tour lasted 15 minutes, financial aid officer was unhelpful...
I still don't really know how the curriculum works. Because it follows the traditional form of medical education, do students have finals all on the same week? Some students here mentioned that the clinical curriculum might be changing but no one touched on the subject during the day. Do students get fridays off?
How do students with families deal with the high tuition? Why is the tuition so high in the first place? Why isn't the school working to make CCOM more affordable and , instead, just saying that the tuition will go up every year?
I loved the complimentary lunch (best lunch I had at a med school interview, both MD and DO) but I was a little disspointed at how unimformative the interview day was. Maybe because the cycle is wrapping up? Did anyone else have a similar experience?
I thought the interview day was great. Quick and to the point. If you know anything about this process you know it essentially makes no difference what school you go to in terms of your experience there. Your experience is going to consist primarily of living as a information-aholic no matter where you go. The tuition rate is probably due to the location and the premiums they have to pay to get such good rotation sites. The curriculum is the same as nearly every other school out there with a little more emphasis on anatomy and biochemistry. I have never heard of getting Fridays off at any school. It looks like a lot of people go for the military scholarship route to manage the expenses.
 
Is there anyone else that was dissapointed with the interview day? It was one of the shortest interview days I had in the cycle and I felt that we weren't given any new/compelling info about the school?
The Admissions Director didn't know too much about CCOM or the cycle, the interview was 20 minutes long, the tour lasted 15 minutes, financial aid officer was unhelpful...
I still don't really know how the curriculum works. Because it follows the traditional form of medical education, do students have finals all on the same week? Some students here mentioned that the clinical curriculum might be changing but no one touched on the subject during the day. Do students get fridays off?
How do students with families deal with the high tuition? Why is the tuition so high in the first place? Why isn't the school working to make CCOM more affordable and , instead, just saying that the tuition will go up every year?
I loved the complimentary lunch (best lunch I had at a med school interview, both MD and DO) but I was a little disspointed at how unimformative the interview day was. Maybe because the cycle is wrapping up? Did anyone else have a similar experience?

I'm not a current student, but I'll try to answer what I know from these questions to the best of my ability based on what I learned from students/profs recently. In terms of curriculum, the school is on the quarter system. They don't follow a systems-based approach, and instead have you start first year with biochem, histo, OMM class, anatomy, clinical skills, etc. Second year is primarily path, pharm, etc. Here is the page that lists classes for each year: https://www.midwestern.edu/course_c...llege_of_osteopathic_medicine/curriculum.html. Typically, it sounds like students have more frequent exams than other schools, some of which are at 7am, some of which are in the evenings. Students are given note packets for most core classes in lieu of specific books, so you can use that to guide your studies for particular classes and then add your own extra study material as needed. Most lectures are recorded. First year students do NOT have class on Fridays, second years do. Seems like most students plan to take step 1. You get 5 weeks of dedicated study time to prep for comlex/step 1.

As far as tuition, I've heard that student gov and other groups are maybe trying to lobby the admin to stop with the ridiculous rises in tuition. From a doc I know who went to Midwestern about 12 years ago, they've really transformed the campus and made things nicer in general, but I also agree its absolutely insane, maybe second only to the OOS tuition for MSU. There are options for financial aid esp for military and primary care specialties (e.g. HPSP, NHSC), but seems like most people just take the loans they need then opt for PAYE (pay as you earn)/IBR (income based repayment) payback plans where you do something like 10-15% of your monthly income going to loans during residency so you don't have to live out of a cardboard box. Note those programs typically only apply to federal, not private, student loans. I certainly am curious about how CCOM alums who go into peds/family med fare with paying back loans as attendings, but I know a CCOM alum (ED doc) who was very frugal his first few years practicing out of residency and now is debt-free. That's just n=1 tho, esp since you can make pretty decent money in emergency med these days.

If you have more questions, I'm betting students in the FB group or maybe @ananasmed would be happy to answer whatever you're interested in. If you need a link to that let me know. I'm sorry you had a less than stellar experience interviewing!
 
Can anyone speak to deferred acceptances at Midwestern CCOM? Is that something that anyone has heard of or received after an interview? I'm out of school, working in another field, but hope to enter the medical field. It's my true passion, and what I have prepared for my entire life. I have an interview coming up in a few weeks. Decent stats-- UGPA: 3.8 from a double major, MCAT: 512

Also, I'm new on here, sorry if this isn't the place to post this
You could probs call the school about the circumstances for deferring and see if they can help w/that? Nice stats, best of luck with your interview!
 
Waitlisted today 🙁

Hi there. Sorry about the waitlist but hey, it's not an outright rejection! I'm curious to know when you interviewed and how you found out you were waitlisted. I interviewed 3/11 and haven't heard anything yet. The only thing that changed for me is that now in the pre-accepted applicant section, I now have course pre-reqs listed. I'm assuming I'm waitlisted as well. Thank you in advance for your response!
 
Everything @absie107 wrote is true, @Henry101 if you have any more specific questions about the curriculum etc. let me know. There's no good answer in response to the tuition being so high, but we're all in the same boat there... sorry.
 
I didn't look at my checklist before my interview... Is the consensus that if you have a section "required prerequisites" when you click on your applicant checklist that you are waitlisted?:brb::barf:
 
I didn't look at my checklist before my interview... Is the consensus that if you have a section "required prerequisites" when you click on your applicant checklist that you are waitlisted?:brb::barf:

Unfortunately, yes. Welcome to the waitlist.


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Those who got wait listed, don't be discouraged. I was wait listed, interviewed around mid-march! Keep those updates and letters of interest coming!
 
Interviewed/alternate listed last cycle. I applied immediately after this cycle started. Received an email saying I'd been withdrawn from CCOM's application due to not scheduling a secondary. Freaked out. Called. Got one scheduled. I never received a secondary invite (Yes, I checked spam). Interview is insanely late, but I figure I'll give it a shot. CCOM is my top choice program.
 
I thought the interview day was great. Quick and to the point. If you know anything about this process you know it essentially makes no difference what school you go to in terms of your experience there. Your experience is going to consist primarily of living as a information-aholic no matter where you go. The tuition rate is probably due to the location and the premiums they have to pay to get such good rotation sites. The curriculum is the same as nearly every other school out there with a little more emphasis on anatomy and biochemistry. I have never heard of getting Fridays off at any school. It looks like a lot of people go for the military scholarship route to manage the expenses.


Lots of programs have time off like that. TECH in Lubbock is a great example of a program that gives students plenty of time to study on their own. MOST schools I know have have fridays off and exams are typically in the morning. No class on exam days outside of clinical work.
 
For Waitlisted peeps, a friend of mine gave me the following information that I think will help some of you out.
CCOM barely sends out just a little shy of 400 acceptances for 200 seats. That is a total underestimate because, considering CCOM is one of top 3 most competitive DO school in the nation, some accepted students will likely have an MD acceptances or other acceptances in their home state. Why does CCOM underestimate their acceptances? All we know is that Dean Nichols likes to keep admission competitive and is concerned about overenrollment. CCOM will send out its last batch of acceptances the last week or last seconed week of April (date is not disclosed). The last set of deposits are due in the beginning of May. In mid May, the admissions committee meets and the number of committed students (with fully paid deposists) is disclosed and the number of "open" seats counted. At this point, the admissions committee reviews files THAT HAVE AN UPDATE LETTER first. For the past few year, the average number of students in the incoming class that have come from the waitlist is 35. Does this mean that 30 people will be pulled from the waitlist? NO. It means that, more than likely, a larger number were offered a seat with some of them turning it down for other schools until the class is filled. This process continues into June. The key is SEND UPDATE LETTERS. If you are an undergrad and have new grades, send those in with another letter.
 
Interviewed/alternate listed last cycle. I applied immediately after this cycle started. Received an email saying I'd been withdrawn from CCOM's application due to not scheduling a secondary. Freaked out. Called. Got one scheduled. I never received a secondary invite (Yes, I checked spam). Interview is insanely late, but I figure I'll give it a shot. CCOM is my top choice program.

Lots of programs have time off like that. TECH in Lubbock is a great example of a program that gives students plenty of time to study on their own. MOST schools I know have have fridays off and exams are typically in the morning. No class on exam days outside of clinical work.

Best of luck on your interview!!

Just for reference, at CCOM we definitely have class on exam days (99% of the time) and our exams vary from early in the morning (7am) to mid-afternoon. Occasionally we do have exams or clinical activities scheduled on Fridays, but never class during first year. Second years have class on Fridays.
 
Best of luck on your interview!!

Just for reference, at CCOM we definitely have class on exam days (99% of the time) and our exams vary from early in the morning (7am) to mid-afternoon. Occasionally we do have exams or clinical activities scheduled on Fridays, but never class during first year. Second years have class on Fridays.
Also to add on to the class after exams thing, not everybody will go to class after an exam (I've skipped out to get brunch because my brain was still recovering) but class isn't mandatory and all lectures are recorded except OMM.
 
Interviewing on friday! Does anyone have any info/opinions w/r/t current rotation sites and selection thereof? Also are there any charitable oppurtunities for early hands-on experience (MWU clinics or some such?). Thanks!
 
Interviewing on friday! Does anyone have any info/opinions w/r/t current rotation sites and selection thereof? Also are there any charitable oppurtunities for early hands-on experience (MWU clinics or some such?). Thanks!
I'm only a first year but rotation sites are in the Chicagoland area. Students rank their rotation track (the order they do their rotations) and sites separately and will get their lists around spring second year, I think.

There's the Community Health Clinic in Chicago that students apply for. There's also the Soft Tissue Clinic run at school and Old Irving Park Clinic for OMM skills/clinical skills.
 
Interviewing on friday! Does anyone have any info/opinions w/r/t current rotation sites and selection thereof? Also are there any charitable oppurtunities for early hands-on experience (MWU clinics or some such?). Thanks!

I'm only a first year but rotation sites are in the Chicagoland area. Students rank their rotation track (the order they do their rotations) and sites separately and will get their lists around spring second year, I think.

There's the Community Health Clinic in Chicago that students apply for. There's also the Soft Tissue Clinic run at school and Old Irving Park Clinic for OMM skills/clinical skills.

I too am a first year.
To go off what RavenclawMed said, I know that 2nd years were reporting receiving info regarding some of their chosen rotation sites a couple of days ago. It seems that you pick your tracks (order of how you want your rotations) and select 5 options for sites.
Main rotation sites are in Chicagoland area as mentioned by RavenclawMed, but you can also do out of state or even out of the country rotations for your elective rotations.
 
Best of luck on your interview!!

Just for reference, at CCOM we definitely have class on exam days (99% of the time) and our exams vary from early in the morning (7am) to mid-afternoon. Occasionally we do have exams or clinical activities scheduled on Fridays, but never class during first year. Second years have class on Fridays.

Awesome info!! Thank you! This is going to be a completely insane question, but...are the lectures posted in a way that you can speed them up? That's what I did during my Masters, listened to everything on double speed, and worked on readings during class. The ADHD is strong with this one.
 
Awesome info!! Thank you! This is going to be a completely insane question, but...are the lectures posted in a way that you can speed them up? That's what I did during my Masters, listened to everything on double speed, and worked on readings during class. The ADHD is strong with this one.
It depends on your technology. For apple products, you can speed them up on you Mac, but if you are on your iphone or iPad using Safari, then you can't. At least I have not figured out my iPhone or iPad.
 
Awesome info!! Thank you! This is going to be a completely insane question, but...are the lectures posted in a way that you can speed them up? That's what I did during my Masters, listened to everything on double speed, and worked on readings during class. The ADHD is strong with this one.
It depends on your technology. For apple products, you can speed them up on you Mac, but if you are on your iphone or iPad using Safari, then you can't. At least I have not figured out my iPhone or iPad.
And you can't play them at all on the blackboard app. The blackboard app in general...🙄
 
Does anyone have insight regarding their interview day? I REALLY want to get in, and this is so late in the game that I'm looking for anything I can at this point.
 
Does anyone have insight regarding their interview day? I REALLY want to get in, and this is so late in the game that I'm looking for anything I can at this point.

Honestly, just do your best to relax. Be prepared to talk about anything on your resume (you might want to think ahead about any anecdotes you could share about experiences you've had) and express your interest in the school. You'll do great 🙂
 
Honestly, just do your best to relax. Be prepared to talk about anything on your resume (you might want to think ahead about any anecdotes you could share about experiences you've had) and express your interest in the school. You'll do great 🙂
Thank you! My dad went there and I loved it last year when I interviewed. Super excited for next week!
 
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