PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

[matthirten13]

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i'm sorry, what? are we reading the same game? clem was chatting?

Okay I'm still really confused by this collection but at least I have the categories. Like I definitely wouldn't call Clem "chatting" at the bare minimum.

Clem responded to my questions so seemed like chatting to some level in my brain

 

[Animal Midwife]

Clem responded to my questions so seemed like chatting to some level in my brain

All he's said is "I didn't see the self-vote" and "matt is ~rand scum."

 

[Santygrass]

@Animal Midwife do you have a read on genny ?

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Animal Midwife do you have a read on genny ?

No.

 

[WildZoo]

Anybody else feel like voting for Clem with me? I think it would be interesting to have him on the board alongside matt, but Santy says I'm not allowed to vote there alone.

 

[Santygrass]

I'm choking

 

[matthirten13]

All he's said is "I didn't see the self-vote" and "matt is ~rand scum."

I mean yeah but he did respond Maybe not the most active or wordy chatter. But the afk list was (at the time) people who either have not talked or gave a vote with a message that was essentially unrelated to the context of the game (insta d1 votes or retaliatory votes to insta votes) I think were two people I put into afk along with miranda.

 

[Santygrass]

No.

Also gotcha.

My feeling rn is that genny seems involved in kinda a towny way? But I don't have played with Wolf genny so I have that read as kinda dumb.
Also maybe not totally tonally since I think there was a post I liked, think it was talking about yoir playstyle hmmyes.
But I think maybe too early so will hold that read and reanalyse later

 

[genny]

On the issue of whether I seem villagey

i.e. idk where genny's read is coming from, because I haven't done anything to earn a village read yet

once upon a time i almost had a reading card

 

[matthirten13]

Anybody else feel like voting for Clem with me? I think it would be interesting to have him on the board alongside matt, but Santy says I'm not allowed to vote there alone.

I do not have confidence clem is innocent which concerns me here because if clem flips wolf I feel like I'll get voted next. And the alternate option would be that I just get voted.

 

[WildZoo]

once upon a time i almost had a reading card

This is true...

 

[WildZoo]

I do not have confidence clem is innocent which concerns me here because if clem flips wolf I feel like I'll get voted next. And the alternate option would be that I just get voted.

Wat

 

[matthirten13]

Wat

Matt's brain is an object of mystery. But I was attempting to say, if the vote goes to a clem/matt showdown, there is 3 options I find very likely
1. clem gets voted -> clem is wolf -> the matt/clem wolf fandom votes matt next night
2. clem gets voted -> clem is villager -> neutral impact on matt
3. matt gets voted

I was just lamenting that it is a bad situation for me given my lack of confidence that clem is villager

 

[Viscernable]

Why would I assume otherwise?

She was talking about a clem pack earlier, and I can’t remember Dubz really using pressure votes

 

[Santygrass]

Matt's brain is an object of mystery. But I was attempting to say, if the vote goes to a clem/matt showdown, there is 3 options I find very likely
1. clem gets voted -> clem is wolf -> the matt/clem wolf fandom votes matt next night
2. clem gets voted -> clem is villager -> neutral impact on matt
3. matt gets voted

I was just lamenting that it is a bad situation for me given my lack of confidence that clem is villager

I think the main gripe here is that you seem too fatalist? (I think that is a word).

Like, you are quickly assuming that you are going to be contender for the yeet and are kinda putting a feet on the tomb already? Like wha.

Dubz was the only one (I think?) To meantion you and Clem being a pack and without much stuff to actually count as a case and you already are inagining that if Clem is yeeted instead of you, if they flip wolf we will instantly yeet you right after .
Like wowee you are doing some jumos right there

 

[Viscernable]

Anybody else feel like voting for Clem with me? I think it would be interesting to have him on the board alongside matt, but Santy says I'm not allowed to vote there alone.

Ooo let’s make a tie

Vote clem

 

[Dinashadow]

DIIIIIIIINAAAAAAAAA

Hi

HAIIIIII

You know when I saw you quoted a post of mine I thought for sure it was gonna be a yeet vote lol

I mean since I sensed it was a joke, I'd probably go after Clem, Santy, or Dina for voting matt quickly. Matt's explanation that he'd vote for me if he didn't vote for himself also makes sense to me since we message a lot on Discord, and I'd know it was a joke.

I also don't really get the tunnel on Matt saying village didn't like it, I think it was just a generalization of the bad reaction from experienced players.

I never voted matt

I just mentioned that his self-vote was icky, but was giving him some noob leeway. It's all his posts after that are making me itchy

It just feels like there are not other yeet options atm. I feel like I am going to get yeeted if nothing happens. Given that, I did not know why AM would risk putting a target on their back to get me yeeted when I would likely be yeeted anyway.

My village vibes for AM are less strong after pondering it more though.

Matt's brain is an object of mystery. But I was attempting to say, if the vote goes to a clem/matt showdown, there is 3 options I find very likely
1. clem gets voted -> clem is wolf -> the matt/clem wolf fandom votes matt next night
2. clem gets voted -> clem is villager -> neutral impact on matt
3. matt gets voted

I was just lamenting that it is a bad situation for me given my lack of confidence that clem is villager

Your posts are making me extremely twitchy because it seems like you're more focus on you surviving rather than voting wolves and that feels very anti-vill

Additionally, re: self-voting, I know this has already been discussed, but it boils down to this - when you self-vote you are either village and making an anti-village play or you're a wolf feeling some guilt

Retaliation

Yeet Dina @supershorty

I was toying with the idea of opening my second game with a unprovoked vote against her, and of course by the time I log on she already has voted me...

GET WREKTED

But also you want to actually share some thoughts on thread state?

Why are we even talking 3p as a possibility in a game that was advertised as 1) probably basicish and 2) when it's literally day 1 and we haven't even flipped anyone, let alone a wolf. Sketch points for anyone seriously entertaining that. If anyone is giving you bad vibes, it's way more likely to be a wolf than a 3p (even in games where it's likely 3ps exist). Unless, of course, someone is a wolf feeling pressure to come up with realistic reads so defaulting to "welp must be 3p"

^^^^^^^^^^^^this

#leavethe3psalone #thisisnotalawpybasicsgame

 

[WildZoo]

You know when I saw you quoted a post of mine I thought for sure it was gonna be a yeet vote lol

Tbh I thought of doing it just for funsies and to get it out of my system

 

[mightyrunner7]

Matt's brain is an object of mystery. But I was attempting to say, if the vote goes to a clem/matt showdown, there is 3 options I find very likely
1. clem gets voted -> clem is wolf -> the matt/clem wolf fandom votes matt next night
2. clem gets voted -> clem is villager -> neutral impact on matt
3. matt gets voted

I was just lamenting that it is a bad situation for me given my lack of confidence that clem is villager

Matt, I'm not fully following this reasoning. If this is what you truly believe, why wouldn't you move your vote to Clem? Keeping it alone on AM isn't doing much good, but voting against Clem would help reduce this concern of appearing to be a pack.

I didn't want to comment regarding the self yeet, since this was clearly intended as a joke to me. I also didn't appreciate the flak you were getting for abandoning a self-yeet position (what were you supposed to say? "Please yeet me!"). However, The interactions since appear counterproductive and lack much obvious rationale. For example, Dina is accusing you of focusing on self preservation, but as I just identified, you're not taking the logical steps to follow through with that framework

 

[genny]

#thisisnotalawpybasicsgame

Is this a basics game? It wrote itself, so how do we know it’s not a writer that appreciates a good plot twist?

 

[genny]

why wouldn't you move your vote to Clem? Keeping it alone on AM isn't doing much good

I’d rather he use his vote to wolf hunt, comes across as more villagey to me rather than just trying to self-prez so early. If he really thinks AM is wolfy, vote there.

 

[WildZoo]

@genny how's the chic vote feeling?

 

[WildZoo]

My thoughts at the time of list @Animal Midwife

Spoiler: Most sus to least sus at time of list creation

Some sus
1. AM
2. Samac
3. wonda
4. chic
Some sus but only because passive
5. mkg
6. Dubz
mostly afk
7. mighty
8. genny
9. miranda
chatting but not sus
10. clem
11. vis
12. santy
13. SAR
possible village
14. veggie
15. dina

Edit: Originally kept the spoiler text for the initial post, but it says currently which is confusing, so edited spoiler

Could you explain your Dina read more? Is it really just "the unvote is a fair reason to sus me"?

 

[WildZoo]

Matt's brain is an object of mystery. But I was attempting to say, if the vote goes to a clem/matt showdown, there is 3 options I find very likely
1. clem gets voted -> clem is wolf -> the matt/clem wolf fandom votes matt next night
2. clem gets voted -> clem is villager -> neutral impact on matt
3. matt gets voted

I was just lamenting that it is a bad situation for me given my lack of confidence that clem is villager

I'm still trying to decide how I feel about this lol

 

[WildZoo]

Matt was implying I am wolfy because I chose to somewhat defend him early, which would make me look good, assuming Matt is village. I'm saying sure, that's possible, but also I just do that in my games when I sense a misyeet

Do you have any thoughts on other players?

He hasn't. I don't think he is necessarily village-y. It's more along the lines of I don't like the logic behind others voting him for his self-vote, that's more sus to me than his actual self vote.

Doesn't seem to really vibe with the idea that you were speaking up because you sensed a misyeet, if you're not actually village-reading him because you framed it as about matt initially, not about the people voting for him and you haven't actually pushed at or questioned anyone as far as I can see. So, who in particular are you referring to as sus for the vote and have those reads evolved at all?

If you're considering Clem, please feel free to join the wagon.

 

[mightyrunner7]

I’d rather he use his vote to wolf hunt, comes across as more villagey to me rather than just trying to self-prez so early. If he really thinks AM is wolfy, vote there.

I agree that people should use votes to wolf hunt, and about half of us (myself included) have so far failed to do that.

My point is if a person was so afraid of a packmate accusation that they spent the time to explicitly lay out the concern, I find it odd that they wouldn't use the vote to help alleviate that concern.

It's the first day, and we all have no actual evidence to go on. Everyone's confidence on votes should be near-zero, and strongly defending any position at this point seems to me to be a little sus, since the only people who have knowledge are the wolves.

 

[samac]

He hasn't. I don't think he is necessarily village-y. It's more along the lines of I don't like the logic behind others voting him for his self-vote, that's more sus to me than his actual self vote.

Okay. It felt like you were defending him as village-y, but I’ll have to go back and read that again.

When did I stop pushing you? And it's a straight up lie to say I haven't questioned anyone else. I don't like this lying and am very close to voting you.

Just curious why didn’t you throw a vote down when you came to thread?

For full transparency, I almost voted Dubz there but decided it was too dumb to do and now I am waiting and judging still like someone smart would do and simpli stating that I am hmmm-ing Dubz vote on Clem.


Like, the first time it felt like and empty kinda RVS-ish stuff and it was alright. Then they have a whole dance with Samac where they vote samac but then back at Clem so it feels more like a comfy vote to maintain status or just kee it there doing nothing than a Village Dubz interested in the game and doing something.

But I also think that if Dubz is villa they dont need pressure or my vote to obvtown so wowee

Did her vote on me seem serious?
I have begged her to find me sketchy so I can live.

How boring, much more exciting if you actually vote for me. In any case, did I not say "what if matt/Clem pack" or something to that effect earlier? The samac stuff was fully joking, she was never sus. She just wishes she was so she could stop dying n1.

You are correct on the last bit. I plan to do more things tomorrow. Just wiped out today. Taking advantage of the long cycles lol

I’m gonna take this opportunity to remind the world that I haven’t lived past night 2 since June.
At least the wolfiest person on thread finds me suspicious *grumbles*

My thoughts at the time of list @Animal Midwife

Spoiler: Most sus to least sus at time of list creation

Some sus
1. AM
2. Samac
3. wonda
4. chic
Some sus but only because passive
5. mkg
6. Dubz
mostly afk
7. mighty
8. genny
9. miranda
chatting but not sus
10. clem
11. vis
12. santy
13. SAR
possible village
14. veggie
15. dina

Edit: Originally kept the spoiler text for the initial post, but it says currently which is confusing, so edited spoiler

Dina had like 5 posts at the time of this list. I don’t think she’s played in a game since your noob game so what of those 5 posts make her the most village?

 

[samac]

Anybody else feel like voting for Clem with me? I think it would be interesting to have him on the board alongside matt, but Santy says I'm not allowed to vote there alone.

Okay

Unyeet matt
Yeet clem

 

[WildZoo]

Okay. It felt like you were defending him as village-y, but I’ll have to go back and read that again.

Just curious why didn’t you throw a vote down when you came to thread?

Did her vote on me seem serious?
I have begged her to find me sketchy so I can live.


I’m gonna take this opportunity to remind the world that I haven’t lived past night 2 since June.
At least the wolfiest person on thread finds me suspicious *grumbles*

Dina had like 5 posts at the time of this list. I don’t think she’s played in a game since your noob game so what of those 5 posts make her the most village?

Wow now I literally can't vote for you, we just mindmelded at least twice

 

[samac]

I do not have confidence clem is innocent which concerns me here because if clem flips wolf I feel like I'll get voted next. And the alternate option would be that I just get voted.

……
Maybe I wanna go back there

 

[samac]

Ooo let’s make a tie

Vote clem

OH HAI

 

[genny]

My point is if a person was so afraid of a packmate accusation that they spent the time to explicitly lay out the concern, I find it odd that they wouldn't use the vote to help alleviate that concern.

And I’m saying that him voting for Clem doesn’t alleviate the concern for me. Especially during the first 24 hours of a 48 hour day. So I get why matt wouldn’t vote there. I understand what you find odd, and I completely disagree.

 

[WildZoo]

After rereading I'm most interested in Clem, Veggie, matt, and Wonda today, but some of those are incompatible imo.

I'll be sad but can't say I'd be surprised if there's not a wolf in there, given my track record

 

[genny]

@genny how's the chic vote feeling?

I’m not quite ready to let it go

 

[samac]

Wow now I literally can't vote for you, we just mindmelded at least twice

Rip

 

[samac]

After rereading I'm most interested in Clem, Veggie, matt, and Wonda today, but some of those are incompatible imo.

I'll be sad but can't say I'd be surprised if there's not a wolf in there, given my track record

I like your list a lot
Do I get to be sketchy again if I say I’m village reading you?

 

[genny]

After rereading I'm most interested in Clem, Veggie, matt, and Wonda today, but some of those are incompatible imo.

I'll be sad but can't say I'd be surprised if there's not a wolf in there, given my track record

How does a dubz track record compare to a Lupin rule? The Venn diagram of those intersects at matt and clem

 

[WildZoo]

I like your list a lot
Do I get to be sketchy again if I say I’m village reading you?

IT'S DAY 1 SAMAC. VILLAGE READING ME IS UNALLOWED. STOP TRYING TO PUT ME IN YOUR COMFY, COZY POCKET.

 

[samac]

IT'S DAY 1 SAMAC. VILLAGE READING ME IS UNALLOWED. STOP TRYING TO PUT ME IN YOUR COMFY, COZY POCKET.

But dubzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[WildZoo]

How does a dubz track record compare to a Lupin rule? The Venn diagram of those intersects at matt and clem

Hmmmm. A deep, philasagnical question that I am not sure I know the answer to. We must test it, for science hmmyes

 

[WildZoo]

But dubzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

(⁠╯⁠°⁠□⁠°⁠）⁠╯⁠︵⁠ ⁠┻⁠━⁠┻

 

[supershorty]

How does a dubz track record compare to a Lupin rule?

Adds to WW stats spreadsheet

 

[WildZoo]

Adds to WW stats spreadsheet

Oh god no one needs a compiled record of my awful d1 reads

 

[mightyrunner7]

Could you explain your Dina read more? Is it really just "the unvote is a fair reason to sus me"?

Yeah, I'd like to hear more on this as well.

I have issues with Matt's later actions, but going back to the self-yeet, it seems the community who responded have fallen into 3 camps:

1. The self yeet is sus on its own

2. The self yeet is fine, buy a lack of a defense of the self yeet is sus

3. It was a joke and not sus (this is my opinion)


Although I disagree with it, I'm fine with the people who find tbe self yeet sus, since it could have been a way to prevent having to vote someone with no evidence. I see the temptation of a wolve who would be afraid of having their previous actions analyzed to open with a self-yeet.

However, I can't follow the logic of people like @Dinashadow who fall into my second camp. If you agree that the self yeet was a joke, why did you expect Matt to defend it? What action would you have expected him to take? Try to convince people to join a wagon to yeet himself?

Since I don't understand this reasoning, I really don't understand the one step further that Matt took to read this action as non-sus and justify a high spot of Dina on his list. Particularly since, as Samac pointed out, Matt has had almost no interaction with Dina before those 5 into posts to this game

 

[miranda920]

Hello everyone, I was assisting with a huge spay/neuter event yesterday (500 cats and dogs) and intended to be fully engaged with this when I got home... However, I fell asleep on my couch as soon as I sat down lol.

Anyway, I don't like the self-vote that matt did on himself it is icky... but I don't know if I feel inclined to say that he is a wolf
In my mind, why as a wolf would he immediately put a target on his back? It just doesn't seem logical.

 

[miranda920]

I've done a quick scan through the posts, but give me about an hour and I'll put some more detailed thoughts together.

 

[samac]

Yeah, I'd like to hear more on this as well.

I have issues with Matt's later actions, but going back to the self-yeet, it seems the community who responded have fallen into 3 camps:

1. The self yeet is sus on its own

2. The self yeet is fine, buy a lack of a defense of the self yeet is sus

3. It was a joke and not sus (this is my opinion)


Although I disagree with it, I'm fine with the people who find tbe self yeet sus, since it could have been a way to prevent having to vote someone with no evidence. I see the temptation of a wolve who would be afraid of having their previous actions analyzed to open with a self-yeet.

However, I can't follow the logic of people like @Dinashadow who fall into my second camp. If you agree that the self yeet was a joke, why did you expect Matt to defend it? What action would you have expected him to take? Try to convince people to join a wagon to yeet himself?

Since I don't understand this reasoning, I really don't understand the one step further that Matt took to read this action as non-sus and justify a high spot of Dina on his list. Particularly since, as Samac pointed out, Matt has had almost no interaction with Dina before those 5 into posts to this game

Do you think Dina and Matt are particularly compatible?

 

[miranda920]

We're only 7 pages in and I feel overwhelmed, but here we go...

Yeet benoit

So given that I was sus about mightyrunner early in our noob game (while he didn't originally start as a wolf, he became a wolf) I am naturally cautious of them. Especially because they are very good at expressing opinions that seem neutral. I won't go down this route now, because if they are village in this game, they will be a great asset in sleuthing out wolves.

unyeet genny
yeet Veggie

"I think they may be 3p" is always a yellow flag (not quite a red flag but close) for me. It smells of wolf trying to seem neutral and cautious. I find noob villagers actually play more recklessly as they know they are safe; noob wolves try hard not to rock the boat and stick out. Pegging someone 3p instead of wolf is classic "I'm trying hard not to take a stance one way or another."

Also yes, they are noob but this is their third game at least. I'm pretty sure they know by now that wolves do not have complete info on who is 3p and who is village. A slip up? Perhaps.

Also, just going off of vibez.

To be fair, the past few games matt has played there has been 3p roles, and most SDN games I've looked back through tend to have at least one. It's easy to make that assumption. That said, I think it has been reiterated pretty much every. single. game. that 3p hunting is pointless if the wolves are still alive, as no one wins if wolves are there (unless it's a wolf-aligned 3p, which I've said in a prior game is notoriously hard to play and I don't see very often either here at SDN or elsewhere).

And yet people fixate on 3p anyways for some reason. In the noob game I (and zuri) actively pushed 3p suspicions because it was an easy way to take focus off wolves.

tl;dr folks aren't sus for assuming there are 3p. They are sus for continuing to discuss who could be 3p/what 3p roles are present/identifying folks as possibly 3p instead of of wolf/etc.



Tell me more about this AM sus. She's a little high on my list right now but I'm curious about your concern. Is it just because she put you under the microscope?



Yeah this is what I meant to say, in better wording.

As a noob wolf in the previous game, this tracks. Ultimately my sussing of Fluff for being 3p eventually led me to get outed as a wolf. Chic pretty much nails it in this summary. So this definitely makes me a little more concerned about Veggie, but again more of a yellow/orange flag rather than an immediate red.

Okay but consider

Wolf!matt : *Selfvotes*

Wolf Partner : *Bonks Matt in Wolfchat*

Wolf!matt : *Unvotes*


Or even just self awareness that their selfvote wasnt well received and just unvoted to try to blend tbh. I think going by 3p reads is a fool's errand. (I dont know if that sentenece even express what I want to say but sounded cool in my head) .

You think its more likely to come from Villa matt or Wolf matt? I think that is what is important here, just discard those ugly 3p thoughts hmmyes

Maybe veggie and matt are in a pack together? 👀


Stay tuned for my deep dive on Matt, because oh boy... I have thoughts now

 

[Animal Midwife]

I agree that people should use votes to wolf hunt, and about half of us (myself included) have so far failed to do that.

My point is if a person was so afraid of a packmate accusation that they spent the time to explicitly lay out the concern, I find it odd that they wouldn't use the vote to help alleviate that concern.

It's the first day, and we all have no actual evidence to go on. Everyone's confidence on votes should be near-zero, and strongly defending any position at this point seems to me to be a little sus, since the only people who have knowledge are the wolves.

I don't believe you played the last game, so I'll mention this again, but there's plenty of evidence and room for confidence on D1. If there wasn't, it'd be impossible for village to ever stomp.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just curious why didn’t you throw a vote down when you came to thread?

I was really set on being first since the thread was confirmed to open at a time where that was possible to me. I camped for an hour but was still denied that experience since dubz was also camping and got to it faster. That alone deflated me and then I saw dubz's first vote was me, specifically. I was still burned out from all the stuff from last game regarding pressuring me so I just decided to come back the next fiscal day when I was in a better mood.