PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

[Animal Midwife]

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I’m not quite ready to let it go

Why not?

 

[samac]

We're only 7 pages in and I feel overwhelmed, but here we go...



So given that I was sus about mightyrunner early in our noob game (while he didn't originally start as a wolf, he became a wolf) I am naturally cautious of them. Especially because they are very good at expressing opinions that seem neutral. I won't go down this route now, because if they are village in this game, they will be a great asset in sleuthing out wolves.




As a noob wolf in the previous game, this tracks. Ultimately my sussing of Fluff for being 3p eventually led me to get outed as a wolf. Chic pretty much nails it in this summary. So this definitely makes me a little more concerned about Veggie, but again more of a yellow/orange flag rather than an immediate red.



Maybe veggie and matt are in a pack together? 👀


Stay tuned for my deep dive on Matt, because oh boy... I have thoughts now

I’m dying of suspense here

 

[supershorty]

No need to be ravilonely when we're all together - Day 1 Tagliatally

chic (1) - genny
AM (1) - matt
Veggie (2) - chic, SAR
matt (3) - Clem, Veggie, AM
genny ()
mighty (1) - Dina
Clem (3) - Dubz, Vis, samac
Dina (1) - mighty
samac ()
Vis (1) - Santy

@matthirten13 and @Clem J, you are in the lead!
A tieeeeeeeee
13/16 voting
Missing: @miranda920, @mkg323, @Wondalfy

Vote closes tonight at 12am? Mermaid Time/10pm EST/9pm CST/8pm MST/7pm Fantasyland (~11.5 hours).

 

[miranda920]

I’m dying of suspense here

lol sorry, all of the quotes I had saved disappeared and I've been trying to rebuild the motivation to put them all together again

 

[SARdoghandler]

As promised, I haven't read the last 4 pages. I might get back to it, I might not. Has Clem added anything since the first couple pages?

Also from that page 4 ish area I liked samac pointing out wonda's opening post. I had her as such a strong village read quite easily in the last game and have not felt the warm fuzzies this game, especially with that first post pointed out (I agree that it sounded a bit manufactured in the way a wolf might try to slip on thread). So some sketch to wonda and some village points to samac I suppose

 

[samac]

NICK MADE ME PASTA FOR LUNCH
ITS HEART SHAPED

Spoiler

 

[SARdoghandler]

I have to admit that I'm not feeling the Matt vote. I feel like noob wolf wouldn't self-vote like that (granted, WIFOM) because it's way easier to consult the pack and come up with something more cohesive and less attention grabbing. I also like that he's parked on AM. Not in that I'm sussing AM right now, but in that sitting on your strongest wolf read by yourself when you're leading feels more village to me. Unless he and Clem are exactly howling together, of course

 

[SARdoghandler]

NICK MADE ME PASTA FOR LUNCH
ITS HEART SHAPED

Spoiler

View attachment 365570

11 days too early!

 

[WildZoo]

I was really set on being first since the thread was confirmed to open at a time where that was possible to me. I camped for an hour but was still denied that experience since dubz was also camping and got to it faster. That alone deflated me and then I saw dubz's first vote was me, specifically. I was still burned out from all the stuff from last game regarding pressuring me so I just decided to come back the next fiscal day when I was in a better mood.

Aw I'm sorry friendo, I didn't mean to deflate you 🙁

 

[Wondalfy]

Do you have any thoughts on other players?

Doesn't seem to really vibe with the idea that you were speaking up because you sensed a misyeet, if you're not actually village-reading him because you framed it as about matt initially, not about the people voting for him and you haven't actually pushed at or questioned anyone as far as I can see. So, who in particular are you referring to as sus for the vote and have those reads evolved at all?

If you're considering Clem, please feel free to join the wagon.

Clem and Santy are still at the top of my sus list for voting Matt so quickly for something I don't deem as sus. I also liked the argument made about veggie being sus for the 3P comment. Then probably Vis, samac, dina, yourself for throwing sus about the vote/village comment, which again I didn't find sus. Pretty neutral about mighty and miranda due to joining late. I feel best about SAR, chic, and mkg. Although AM is questioning matt a lot, it feels along the same lines as the last game so I feel decent about them as well.

I've been very consistent in that I thought what Matt said was a joke, not that I think he is village-y. I came in saying I didn't have anything to add because I thought it was a joke, i.e. not indicative of anything. I didn't feel like defending myself, but it was also my first post because frankly I didn't have much to say yet, I typically don't on D1, especially early. I think it was NAI. Maybe less likely for a wolf than village to bring attention to themselves like that but definitely still possible - so NAI. What I do find sus is going after it so hard when I interpreted it as just a fun/joke start to the game. I think perhaps I am using a very loose definition of misyeet, as in, I think people are trying to yeet for something I don't find yeetable, if that makes sense lol

 

[Wondalfy]

Either way I'll join the Clem train

yeet Clem @supershorty

 

[matthirten13]

Matt, I'm not fully following this reasoning. If this is what you truly believe, why wouldn't you move your vote to Clem?

I don't know if clem is wolf one way or another. Clem responded to my Qs but has otherwise not talked enough to provide any info. I mean I could move my vote there, but I have no particularly strong feelings that they are wolf or villager. I feel like my main reason for voting clem would be because idk who else to vote and they seem most likely (currently) to be the opposing candidate for yeet. And that feels like a silly reason to vote to them at this stage in the day.

Could you explain your Dina read more? Is it really just "the unvote is a fair reason to sus me"?

Dina had like 5 posts at the time of this list. I don’t think she’s played in a game since your noob game so what of those 5 posts make her the most village?

Yeah his self yeet to his next post unyeeting himself without anything in between concerns me. I would've expected him to ask why he was being sussed for it instead of immediately backing down.

And then there's the potential slip on top of it.

I thought this comment was very logical and did a good job of calling me out in areas I thought made sense. I agreed with it enough that I followed up by questioning the people who put their initial votes on me. This was definitely not a "dina is definitely villager", but it was a "dina has some posts, I followed their logic, seems like good things to ask if trying to deduce wolves"

I wouldn't say I have particularly wolf vibes on AM atm but I need to rerun through a lot of the earlier posts today and decide who I want to keep my vote on then. I think I was selectively reading/digesting posts quoting me and calling me out yesterday

Edit: last paragraph wording terrible. I meant that at some point today I will run through all the earlier posts for all days.

 

[miranda920]

Okay so my thoughts on Matt, I agree with mightyrunner that I believe the self-vote in and of itself was a joke. However, the way Matt has responded to questioning has me suspicious of him. I've gathered some quotes from other players and their questioning/commentary regarding matt and will give my commentary as well.

What do you mean by most of the village?

I really appreciate AM catching this wording Matt used. The wording he used almost implied that he knew who was village vs wolf. Village with poor wording choice? Maybe. Wolf who slipped on the intel he is privy to? Also, maybe.

Yeah his self yeet to his next post unyeeting himself without anything in between concerns me. I would've expected him to ask why he was being sussed for it instead of immediately backing down.

And then there's the potential slip on top of it.

^^^ This

Alright. I'm going to have to ask you to be conscious of where the bias could be coloring your reads since you're aware it's a thing. fluff's husband was a wolf in the noob game. Familiarity means nothing for affiliation. This is also all hypothetical since he's never voted for you, including in this game.

Couldn't have said that better myself. Just because Wonda and Matt are friends doesn't equal that either is innocent of being wolves in this setting. They should not assume they know each other's affiliation because they are friends.

Sounds like you're ready to die this cycle.

Matt: *Jokingly self-votes, but actual low-key wants to be yeeted*

This doesn’t even make sense to me. Wolves would have a pretty good knowledge of who’s village no?

But I don’t know how I feel with veggie being on the same vote as me tbh.

Based on every mafia/WW game I've played, wolves would know who is village (not-wolf)

Ooo let’s make a tie

Vote clem

lol this whole interaction (not just vis) of moving votes to clem made me laugh. I need to look back at what clem said, but it hasn't been much, right?

Matt, I'm not fully following this reasoning. If this is what you truly believe, why wouldn't you move your vote to Clem? Keeping it alone on AM isn't doing much good, but voting against Clem would help reduce this concern of appearing to be a pack.

I didn't want to comment regarding the self yeet, since this was clearly intended as a joke to me. I also didn't appreciate the flak you were getting for abandoning a self-yeet position (what were you supposed to say? "Please yeet me!"). However, The interactions since appear counterproductive and lack much obvious rationale. For example, Dina is accusing you of focusing on self preservation, but as I just identified, you're not taking the logical steps to follow through with that framework

Yeah, I'd like to hear more on this as well.

I have issues with Matt's later actions, but going back to the self-yeet, it seems the community who responded have fallen into 3 camps:

1. The self yeet is sus on its own

2. The self yeet is fine, buy a lack of a defense of the self yeet is sus

3. It was a joke and not sus (this is my opinion)


Although I disagree with it, I'm fine with the people who find tbe self yeet sus, since it could have been a way to prevent having to vote someone with no evidence. I see the temptation of a wolve who would be afraid of having their previous actions analyzed to open with a self-yeet.

However, I can't follow the logic of people like @Dinashadow who fall into my second camp. If you agree that the self yeet was a joke, why did you expect Matt to defend it? What action would you have expected him to take? Try to convince people to join a wagon to yeet himself?

Since I don't understand this reasoning, I really don't understand the one step further that Matt took to read this action as non-sus and justify a high spot of Dina on his list. Particularly since, as Samac pointed out, Matt has had almost no interaction with Dina before those 5 into posts to this game

See this is why we need to keep mighty around!

I do think it's fair to question why matt would self-vote, it's definitely an odd move. I think he could have very easily said it was a joke and left it at that, I would have brushed that off. It's the fact that he dug in and got defensive and has back-tracked that is even weirder.
Going back to my very initial thought though, it just doesn't make sense that w!matt would try to yeet himself. That seems stupid, but maybe that's what he wants us to think.
Ugh the more I dug into this the more I found that I was right back to where I started, unsure.

 

[genny]

Why not?

it's too early, i'm not done marinating

 

[genny]

See this is why we need to keep mighty around!

i don't think mighty is at risk?

 

[samac]

11 days too early!

But delicious!

Clem and Santy are still at the top of my sus list for voting Matt so quickly for something I don't deem as sus. I also liked the argument made about veggie being sus for the 3P comment. Then probably Vis, samac, dina, yourself for throwing sus about the vote/village comment, which again I didn't find sus. Pretty neutral about mighty and miranda due to joining late. I feel best about SAR, chic, and mkg. Although AM is questioning matt a lot, it feels along the same lines as the last game so I feel decent about them as well.

I've been very consistent in that I thought what Matt said was a joke, not that I think he is village-y. I came in saying I didn't have anything to add because I thought it was a joke, i.e. not indicative of anything. I didn't feel like defending myself, but it was also my first post because frankly I didn't have much to say yet, I typically don't on D1, especially early. I think it was NAI. Maybe less likely for a wolf than village to bring attention to themselves like that but definitely still possible - so NAI. What I do find sus is going after it so hard when I interpreted it as just a fun/joke start to the game. I think perhaps I am using a very loose definition of misyeet, as in, I think people are trying to yeet for something I don't find yeetable, if that makes sense lol

How do you feel being on the vote with me, Visc, and Dubz your second sus pile?
Why Clem and not santy then?

Okay so my thoughts on Matt, I agree with mightyrunner that I believe the self-vote in and of itself was a joke. However, the way Matt has responded to questioning has me suspicious of him. I've gathered some quotes from other players and their questioning/commentary regarding matt and will give my commentary as well.




I really appreciate AM catching this wording Matt used. The wording he used almost implied that he knew who was village vs wolf. Village with poor wording choice? Maybe. Wolf who slipped on the intel he is privy to? Also, maybe.



^^^ This



Couldn't have said that better myself. Just because Wonda and Matt are friends doesn't equal that either is innocent of being wolves in this setting. They should not assume they know each other's affiliation because they are friends.



Matt: *Jokingly self-votes, but actual low-key wants to be yeeted*



Based on every mafia/WW game I've played, wolves would know who is village (not-wolf)



lol this whole interaction (not just vis) of moving votes to clem made me laugh. I need to look back at what clem said, but it hasn't been much, right?




See this is why we need to keep mighty around!

I do think it's fair to question why matt would self-vote, it's definitely an odd move. I think he could have very easily said it was a joke and left it at that, I would have brushed that off. It's the fact that he dug in and got defensive and has back-tracked that is even weirder.
Going back to my very initial thought though, it just doesn't make sense that w!matt would try to yeet himself. That seems stupid, but maybe that's what he wants us to think.
Ugh the more I dug into this the more I found that I was right back to where I started, unsure.

Curious - where are you going to put your vote?

 

[WildZoo]

Then probably Vis, samac, dina, yourself for throwing sus about the vote/village comment, which again I didn't find sus.

Where did I throw sus at matt for the vote? Pretty sure I said the opposite, that interpreted it as a joke. I only commented on him after he got all jumpy about it.it was his reaction to slight pressure that raised my eyebrow, not the vote itself.

I've been very consistent in that I thought what Matt said was a joke, not that I think he is village-y. I came in saying I didn't have anything to add because I thought it was a joke, i.e. not indicative of anything. I didn't feel like defending myself, but it was also my first post because frankly I didn't have much to say yet, I typically don't on D1, especially early. I think it was NAI. Maybe less likely for a wolf than village to bring attention to themselves like that but definitely still possible - so NAI. What I do find sus is going after it so hard when I interpreted it as just a fun/joke start to the game. I think perhaps I am using a very loose definition of misyeet, as in, I think people are trying to yeet for something I don't find yeetable, if that makes sense lol

I know what you came in and said, but when questioned about why you made the comment at the time you did, you said that's what you usually do to defend against what you perceive as a misyeet. So just feels strange to do that the way you did it for someone you're not even village reading and then to make little commentary on anything else, and not really direct your attention much towards the people you're saying are sus for it. Your actions aren't really aligning with what you're saying your perspective is, basically.

I'm having a hard time pinpointing who exactly is going after matt "so hard" for the joke. The only person who has really gone after him that hard would be AM, which wasn't for the joke, and you've said yourself AM seems fine to you. Dina was suspicious of him for the context of the unvote, not for the vote itself. Clem I obviously think is sketch anyway, but he just basically placed a vote and bounced, no hard push. So that leaves Santy I guess? There's really no one else here who was ever pushing matt solely for voting for himself, and Santy has talked about other things with regards to matt anyway.

So basically why did it take this long for you to place a vote if you were already so set on the suspicion on matt being misplaced/scummy?

 

[WildZoo]

Either way I'll join the Clem train

yeet Clem @supershorty

Hmmm

 

[miranda920]

i don't think mighty is at risk?

Never said he was.
Please see my original statement:

So given that I was sus about mightyrunner early in our noob game (while he didn't originally start as a wolf, he became a wolf) I am naturally cautious of them. Especially because they are very good at expressing opinions that seem neutral. I won't go down this route now, because if they are village in this game, they will be a great asset in sleuthing out wolves.

 

[miranda920]

Curious - where are you going to put your vote?

Let me evaluate the clem train and I will make a decision

 

[Wondalfy]

But delicious!

How do you feel being on the vote with me, Visc, and Dubz your second sus pile?
Why Clem and not santy then?

Curious - where are you going to put your vote?

I don't really mind it. I'm going off what I have currently which isn't a lot. My sus order can very easily flip if it's found out that several villagers are in the vote Matt pile, then perhaps Matt is a wolf and those trying to divert attention are the other wolves. But then again, even if Matt is a wolf, throwing a little sus at him without voting him would make a wolf look better, hmm... I am leaning towards Clem more than Santy in that I like Santy's read of AM and myself. Although, Santy was a wolf last game which I did expect, so that doesn't mean much

 

[Santygrass]

Catching up after waking up from a nap was not a good idea. I think I forgotten everything I read

Did her vote on me seem serious?
I have begged her to find me sketchy so I can live.

To reply to this, I think I said or implied knowing ut was a joke. It was mostly 'proof' of the Clem vote being like a serious one or with intent and not properly demostrated?


That said the formation of the Clem wagon is so amusing and I love it

 

[Santygrass]

Also me and amanda are two peas in a pod now

 

[Santygrass]

Also me and amanda are two peas in a pod now

Miranda*

Wtf where that amanda came from

 

[miranda920]

Miranda*

Wtf where that amanda came from

haha my alter egos tend to be Marissa, Amanda, and Brenda (?)

 

[Santygrass]

Also re: what are y'all talking about the joke and wondalfy . I think its very clear from my post I didnt vote matt for that reason ?

If so, vote me because I specifically voted them early because it felt like someone who would get pressured off of ut and I was doing my honest part then /?

 

[Santygrass]

@Clem J what are your current thoughts on matt?

Have you read anything besides their opening?

 

[samac]

Catching up after waking up from a nap was not a good idea. I think I forgotten everything I read



To reply to this, I think I said or implied knowing ut was a joke. It was mostly 'proof' of the Clem vote being like a serious one or with intent and not properly demostrated?


That said the formation of the Clem wagon is so amusing and I love it

Oh I read it as you thought her vote on me was for srs

 

[miranda920]

haha my alter egos tend to be Marissa, Amanda, and Brenda (?)

By "alter-egos" I mean the names people tend to call me when they can't remember that my name is Miranda or they just can't hear well

 

[Santygrass]

Oh I read it as you thought her vote on me was for srs

Nah, it was mostly proof of seeming that Clem was somewhat important to vote for Dubz since after dipping in a joking manner on you, she came back to Clem, and the only thing she said about Clem at the moment was maybe the possibility of them being together with matt.

And them knowing how clem rolls, not trying to do *something* else piqued my interest. I'm highly amused with how it ended with dubz campaigning clem into a major wagon tho.

'My job here is done' moment

 

[samac]

Also re: what are y'all talking about the joke and wondalfy . I think its very clear from my post I didnt vote matt for that reason ?

If so, vote me because I specifically voted them early because it felt like someone who would get pressured off of ut and I was doing my honest part then /?

I will give wonda this, you voted matt before he unvoted himself so it’s pretty easy to see why someone would assume that you voted him for the self vote.

 

[Wondalfy]

Where did I throw sus at matt for the vote? Pretty sure I said the opposite, that interpreted it as a joke. I only commented on him after he got all jumpy about it.it was his reaction to slight pressure that raised my eyebrow, not the vote itself.

Perhaps it was an overgeneralization, but these statements in particular. What you're saying is consistent with the vote, it just puts you in the same category as the others imo.

Agree with the sus matt feels, oh boy

It was more the jumpiness from matt in unvoting than the vote itself that bothered me, since I also took the vote as a joke. Some villagers do get jumpy about the attention like that though so I'm not...bothered enough to be like "omg he's lock wolf." Chewing on it and kind of want to see what he does if the pressure isn't too heavy on him this early.

unyeet AM
yeet Clem

I know what you came in and said, but when questioned about why you made the comment at the time you did, you said that's what you usually do to defend against what you perceive as a misyeet. So just feels strange to do that the way you did it for someone you're not even village reading and then to make little commentary on anything else, and not really direct your attention much towards the people you're saying are sus for it. Your actions aren't really aligning with what you're saying your perspective is, basically.

I honestly am not sure what to say to this because I feel like my actions are aligning with what I'm saying. I came in at that time because I saw a lot of focus on Matt's self-vote, I thought it was a joke, didn't understand the sus. The sus seemed like good misyeet potential.

I also don't want to use real life excuses, and I want to be clear it's not indicative of my role in any way. But mentally I am in a slump, and honestly I have not had near as much energy as the last two games for my usual activity and analysis. So if I say things that perhaps aren't up to par that's why, again this can be indicative of me not playing well as a wolf or as a village. I just honestly don't have the energy right now & I apologize for it affecting the game.

I'm having a hard time pinpointing who exactly is going after matt "so hard" for the joke. The only person who has really gone after him that hard would be AM, which wasn't for the joke, and you've said yourself AM seems fine to you. Dina was suspicious of him for the context of the unvote, not for the vote itself. Clem I obviously think is sketch anyway, but he just basically placed a vote and bounced, no hard push. So that leaves Santy I guess? There's really no one else here who was ever pushing matt solely for voting for himself, and Santy has talked about other things with regards to matt anyway.

By going "so hard" I meant voting for him. And most of the discussion on this thread being about it.

So basically why did it take this long for you to place a vote if you were already so set on the suspicion on matt being misplaced/scummy?

Because I don't like voting quickly. I like to wait and watch, usually. I've been called out to vote faster I know in my noob game, and I believe in my last game as well. I just honestly don't like to.

 

[samac]

Perhaps it was an overgeneralization, but these statements in particular. What you're saying is consistent with the vote, it just puts you in the same category as the others imo.




I honestly am not sure what to say to this because I feel like my actions are aligning with what I'm saying. I came in at that time because I saw a lot of focus on Matt's self-vote, I thought it was a joke, didn't understand the sus. The sus seemed like good misyeet potential.

I also don't want to use real life excuses, and I want to be clear it's not indicative of my role in any way. But mentally I am in a slump, and honestly I have not had near as much energy as the last two games for my usual activity and analysis. So if I say things that perhaps aren't up to par that's why, again this can be indicative of me not playing well as a wolf or as a village. I just honestly don't have the energy right now & I apologize for it affecting the game.


By going "so hard" I meant voting for him. And most of the discussion on this thread being about it.


Because I don't like voting quickly. I like to wait and watch, usually. I've been called out to vote faster I know in my noob game, and I believe in my last game as well. I just honestly don't like to.

How are you reading matt at this point?

 

[Santygrass]

By "alter-egos" I mean the names people tend to call me when they can't remember that my name is Miranda or they just can't hear well

This is how I feel rn

 

[SARdoghandler]

Unyeet veggie

Yeet wonda

I wanna try this on for a bit

 

[Santygrass]

I will give wonda this, you voted matt before he unvoted himself so it’s pretty easy to see why someone would assume that you voted him for the self vote.

Before I explained it for sure, like naked votes are there for the sole reason of seeing what assumptions people make for the reasoning on a vote so it's understandable.

I think at this point it should be clear~er that wasnt the reason for the vote so as I saw they mention it still I wanted to pinpoin it if it makes any sense.


Also, I think Clem also said that they didn't even saw that Matt self-voted

 

[mightyrunner7]

Do you think Dina and Matt are particularly compatible?

It's tough, because everything Dina has said so far has been reasonable and rather anti-Matt. However, Matt seems very pro-Dina for no reason.

Either they are in league together and the more experienced player (Dina) is better at hiding it, or Matt just likes Sylveon. I could go either way at the moment.

 

[miranda920]

Unyeet veggie

Yeet wonda

I wanna try this on for a bit

Why do I like this more than the clem train? 🤔

 

[Dinashadow]

Matt, I'm not fully following this reasoning. If this is what you truly believe, why wouldn't you move your vote to Clem? Keeping it alone on AM isn't doing much good, but voting against Clem would help reduce this concern of appearing to be a pack.

I didn't want to comment regarding the self yeet, since this was clearly intended as a joke to me. I also didn't appreciate the flak you were getting for abandoning a self-yeet position (what were you supposed to say? "Please yeet me!"). However, The interactions since appear counterproductive and lack much obvious rationale. For example, Dina is accusing you of focusing on self preservation, but as I just identified, you're not taking the logical steps to follow through with that framework

It's not about abandoning the self-yeet position, it's about how he went about it, which I explained in my post. There's also the addition of the possible TMI slip (the whole "most of village" thing and the multiple instances of saying "chat" instead of thread)

It's the first day, and we all have no actual evidence to go on. Everyone's confidence on votes should be near-zero, and strongly defending any position at this point seems to me to be a little sus, since the only people who have knowledge are the wolves.

smh you know better than this because I've talked to you about the importance of D1 after the noob game.

Yeah, I'd like to hear more on this as well.

I have issues with Matt's later actions, but going back to the self-yeet, it seems the community who responded have fallen into 3 camps:

1. The self yeet is sus on its own

2. The self yeet is fine, buy a lack of a defense of the self yeet is sus

3. It was a joke and not sus (this is my opinion)

Although I disagree with it, I'm fine with the people who find tbe self yeet sus, since it could have been a way to prevent having to vote someone with no evidence. I see the temptation of a wolve who would be afraid of having their previous actions analyzed to open with a self-yeet.

However, I can't follow the logic of people like @Dinashadow who fall into my second camp. If you agree that the self yeet was a joke, why did you expect Matt to defend it? What action would you have expected him to take? Try to convince people to join a wagon to yeet himself?

You're misunderstanding. I never expected Matt to defend placing his self-yeet smh. I expected him to come on and question why people were finding it sus and unnerving when he has stated he meant it as a joke. Which in a round about way makes me wonder if he was talked to about it on wolf chat

Since I don't understand this reasoning, I really don't understand the one step further that Matt took to read this action as non-sus and justify a high spot of Dina on his list. Particularly since, as Samac pointed out, Matt has had almost no interaction with Dina before those 5 into posts to this game

Yes reading Dina village as D1 is highly sus (I'm actually not being sarcastic lol), and I've caught wolves for it (TME in RvB is the most recent example)

 

[samac]

It's tough, because everything Dina has said so far has been reasonable and rather anti-Matt. However, Matt seems very pro-Dina for no reason.

Either they are in league together and the more experienced player (Dina) is better at hiding it, or Matt just likes Sylveon. I could go either way at the moment.

I feel pretty confident in saying Dina wouldn’t come out and say her noob wolf partner was sketchy that quickly. I don’t think they’re compatible.

 

[mightyrunner7]

I don't believe you played the last game, so I'll mention this again, but there's plenty of evidence and room for confidence on D1. If there wasn't, it'd be impossible for village to ever stomp.

True, and I probably overstated my position. I was just trying to point out that after every post, evidence builds and confidence levels increase. Short of a rojo, the chance of finding a wolf call in the first few hours of a game are very low.

However, I've not played 48 hour cycles before. Given we are already on 8 pages of messages, I will conceed that interesting conclusions can be made before the first night

 

[Dinashadow]

Hello everyone, I was assisting with a huge spay/neuter event yesterday (500 cats and dogs) and intended to be fully engaged with this when I got home... However, I fell asleep on my couch as soon as I sat down lol.

Anyway, I don't like the self-vote that matt did on himself it is icky... but I don't know if I feel inclined to say that he is a wolf
In my mind, why as a wolf would he immediately put a target on his back? It just doesn't seem logical.

Because they want to place a vote D1 and look villagey but feel guilty

Because they want to seem joking and carefree when they're really terrified on the inside

Because they're pulling a WIFOM and hope people will not expect a wolf to do it

Should I go on?

So given that I was sus about mightyrunner early in our noob game (while he didn't originally start as a wolf, he became a wolf) I am naturally cautious of them. Especially because they are very good at expressing opinions that seem neutral. I won't go down this route now, because if they are village in this game, they will be a great asset in sleuthing out wolves.

My joke on mighty is partially a joke (because I'm his irl partner) and I like to poke him, but also wanted to pressure him a bit (because I was also his manator) and was frustrated by his early game lack of participation in the noob game

As a noob wolf in the previous game, this tracks. Ultimately my sussing of Fluff for being 3p eventually led me to get outed as a wolf. Chic pretty much nails it in this summary. So this definitely makes me a little more concerned about Veggie, but again more of a yellow/orange flag rather than an immediate red.

Maybe veggie and matt are in a pack together? 👀

Stay tuned for my deep dive on Matt, because oh boy... I have thoughts now

Overall deep dives into reflecting on 3ps and distracting and wolfy. I've also found some noobs get really caught up in their existence despite their affiliation, so yeah veggie's comment about that was a head-scratcher

 

[miranda920]

Should I go on?

Nope, all extremely valid points that make a lot of sense

My joke on mighty is partially a joke (because I'm his irl partner) and I like to poke him, but also wanted to pressure him a bit (because I was also his manator) and was frustrated by his early game lack of participation in the noob game

I didn't know this! I did know you were his mantor, so I suspected that it was a friendly joke

 

[Dinashadow]

I don't believe you played the last game, so I'll mention this again, but there's plenty of evidence and room for confidence on D1. If there wasn't, it'd be impossible for village to ever stomp.

Good AM already beat me to it, and I will continue my crusade against anyone who tries to say D1 is worthless

Clem and Santy are still at the top of my sus list for voting Matt so quickly for something I don't deem as sus.

But can you understand why a self-vote is sus?

I also liked the argument made about veggie being sus for the 3P comment. Then probably Vis, samac, dina, yourself for throwing sus about the vote/village comment, which again I didn't find sus. Pretty neutral about mighty and miranda due to joining late. I feel best about SAR, chic, and mkg.

Why?

Although AM is questioning matt a lot, it feels along the same lines as the last game so I feel decent about them as well.

You feel decent about AM even though she's the one who has probably pushed matt the hardest, but everyone else who has found matt sus is sus?

I've been very consistent in that I thought what Matt said was a joke, not that I think he is village-y.

What? You don't think matt is village-y, but people sussing him are wolfy? I'm having trouble following your logic.

I came in saying I didn't have anything to add because I thought it was a joke, i.e. not indicative of anything. I didn't feel like defending myself, but it was also my first post because frankly I didn't have much to say yet, I typically don't on D1, especially early. I think it was NAI. Maybe less likely for a wolf than village to bring attention to themselves like that but definitely still possible - so NAI. What I do find sus is going after it so hard when I interpreted it as just a fun/joke start to the game. I think perhaps I am using a very loose definition of misyeet, as in, I think people are trying to yeet for something I don't find yeetable, if that makes sense lol

Your entire logic surrounding this seems to be operating under an assumption that matt is village if everyone voting for him/sussing him is wolfy, but you're also calling it NAI which is why I'm not really following your logic. I guess overall it's feeling very hedgy to me

 

[Dinashadow]

It's tough, because everything Dina has said so far has been reasonable and rather anti-Matt. However, Matt seems very pro-Dina for no reason.

Either they are in league together and the more experienced player (Dina) is better at hiding it, or Matt just likes Sylveon. I could go either way at the moment.

Matt does like sylveon confirmed his favorite eeveelution and this is part of the reason why he is my godson now, yes yes

 

[Dinashadow]

I guess my thoughts right now are this -

I'm most interested in wonda or matt rn. I have to go look back at clem because I haven't really developed an opinion yet. Veggie's 3p comment gave me an initial knee-jerk reaction but less interested, but would like to see some more from them.

samac and AM feel pretty good overall, I'm also agreeing with a lot of stuff dubz has said, so I guess I'm ok with her rn too. I've liked miranda's recent posts and SAR's as well despite our differing opinions about matt

 

[Dinashadow]

I guess I'm okay with mighty right now too

unyeet benoit

yeet matt (sorry godson)

 

[Dinashadow]

okay the only thing I'm seeing about clem is they unvoted veggie to naked vote matt and it was assumed it was because of the self-vote? But clem came back and said they didn't even realize that it was a self-vote and it was because of Matt's opening? Which I'm not sure what to read from just that tbh

I am seeing a reasoning why dubz voted clem, but @Wondalfy how does your read on clem change knowing that they didn't vote matt because of matt's self-vote?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Why do I like this more than the clem train?

Because

Obvs

 

[VeggieTrex]

Does anyone have a count of what votes have moved around? I could a little later, but was curious if anyone is more on top of that.