PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

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Matt, what would wolf hunting look like to you? :/

I’ve identified my highest sus list with very clear reasoning (Veggie, mightyrunner, you) and voted accordingly. I’ve provided - albeit flawed - justification for the rest of my reads.

Miranda did a whole ISO of your wagon in an attempt to figure out whether you were wolfy or not. It’s a narrow focus but I wouldn’t say she hasn’t *tried* to wolf hunt. (I do find her sus for ultimately waffling her conclusion, but those are two separate things.)
 
chicandtoughness said:
Matt, what would wolf hunting look like to you? :/

I’ve identified my highest sus list with very clear reasoning (Veggie, mightyrunner, you) and voted accordingly. I’ve provided - albeit flawed - justification for the rest of my reads.

Miranda did a whole ISO of your wagon in an attempt to figure out whether you were wolfy or not. It’s a narrow focus but I wouldn’t say she hasn’t *tried* to wolf hunt. (I do find her sus for ultimately waffling her conclusion, but those are two separate things.)
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miranda920 said:
lol if you think I haven't done much you clearly aren't paying attention
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Hmm you know honestly I read both of your posts last, as they were more recent, and what was going through my mind was that this was not very intense 🤔 But tbh I then thought, well who haven't I even considered. And Genny has not done a lot in my opinion after iso-ing. I need to look at some of the other players my brain has been passively ignoring like Dubz as well.
 
cm punk wwe GIF
 
matthirten13 said:
I have been reading your messages, but for some reason I didn't bother to try to remotely think of how village/wolf you were
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Oh well that's okay, I don't like when people read me d1, it makes me feel icky. Carry on.
 
matthirten13 said:
Hmm you know honestly I read both of your posts last, as they were more recent, and what was going through my mind was that this was not very intense 🤔 But tbh I then thought, well who haven't I even considered. And Genny has not done a lot in my opinion after iso-ing. I need to look at some of the other players my brain has been passively ignoring like Dubz as well.
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Is it too obvious to state that this doesn’t feel right to me? You focus on the most recent couple pages (which do have disproportionately more me and Miranda as we both had other commitments during the day) and immediately jump to hmm. Yeah, these two would be good yeets. Never mind that there’s people you have been “passively ignoring” and lots of folks missing from your initial list.
 
chicandtoughness said:
Miranda did a whole ISO of your wagon in an attempt to figure out whether you were wolfy or not. It’s a narrow focus but I wouldn’t say she hasn’t *tried* to wolf hunt. (I do find her sus for ultimately waffling her conclusion, but those are two separate things.)
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ehh I did my ISO on matt and ultimately came to the conclusion that I agreed with my initial thought, weird move and doesn't make any logical sense as a wolf. However, I had already said I would look into it further to really get clarity on it.
Since all my original quotes disappeared I had to go back and read through everything AGAIN (ugh) I found that while he was becoming defensive and that was pinging me, I came back to where I started. It's weird and doesn't make sense, I didn't think it was worthwhile to continue pursuing matt at that point. So I didn't vote him.

If me laying out my whole thought process is "waffling", sorry don't know what to tell you that's just how this brain works lol :shrug:
 
chicandtoughness said:
Is it too obvious to state that this doesn’t feel right to me? You focus on the most recent couple pages (which do have disproportionately more me and Miranda as we both had other commitments during the day) and immediately jump to hmm. Yeah, these two would be good yeets. Never mind that there’s people you have been “passively ignoring” and lots of folks missing from your initial list.
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I read through back to forward and made it very clear those were my current thoughts before iso-ing. I still think your wolf hunting was a bit weak.
 
mightyrunner7 said:
Hmmm.... I don't really have any strong reads at the moment, so below are my current thoughts on the three vote leaders, ranked in order from least to most sus:

1. Matt - I find the initial self yeet and the take-back of the self yeet to be pretty understandable as recoilimg from a poorly recieved joke. The most sus thing about them was the odd analysis about the dangers of a Wolfpack with clem, but the eventual vote against Clem has (somewhat) reduced these concerns

2. Clem - pretty much the entire contribution to the game so far is "Matt is sus". I would expect a bit more of a broader contribution from someone who is actually wolfhunting. However, even though you and I read the Matt yeet differently, I will admit it's one of the few pieces of solid evidence to go on. If you feel this passionately, I'll let it slide for now, but will look some more contribution later on

3. Wonda - I really don't like the initial strong defense of Matt, followed by the wishy-washy posts later on. This reads to me like a wolf who was trying to defend a villager for cred, then started backing down on the position when it become obvious it wasn't going well. The logic on the posts appear a bit inconsistent, and the step away feels particularly sus. It's as if you know you were digging a hole and wanted to retreat to preserve yourself, which is pretty anti-wolfhunting behavior.

Since I liked mkg's latest post and no longer need the pressure vote, I will now:

unyeet mkg yeet wonda @supershorty
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What did you like about mkgs post
 
Not disinterested in Clem, I just think the flip on Matt or Wonda would be more interesting/useful to adjust my reads. Also Clem just hard to read for me lmao.
 
Wondalfy said:
I am back and chilled out a bit.

My category of least sus is people who either haven't really commented on matt/slightly defended his choices. Again, defending a person's choices is not necessarily saying they are village-y or wolfy. Just that I can see where they were coming from. i.e. these (I apparently forgot genny completely in my earlier post):




Also, chic hasn't really commented on matt at all. So that's my category currently. Currently, I think it is less likely for wolves to be in this group than the Matt sus group for the reasons I already mentioned + it's very much against the grain, which I find less likely for a wolf to do.


I've already explained this many times.


No. I gave a hypothetical. I don't think it's likely wolves did that. Because it would make themselves obvious. That was the point of proposing the hypothetical.
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I have a hard time following you tbh.
So for your logic to be sound it has to be a world where Matt is village.
And anyone who stayed out of the conversation is village-y?
Why would not being involved in the conversation be a village move?
 
matthirten13 said:
@WildZoo Why the vote for clem in first place? And why keeping?
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In the first place because I was chasing my matt/Clem pack tinfoil. Wanted to see what would happen if you were both on the board.
I'm keeping it because idk, something just continues to feel icky there. Like his one other read (that AM would not be paired with you) was so obvious based on threadstate that it's worth nothing to me. I get what he's saying about stiff thread entries for sure, but missing that you voted for yourself is weird. And honestly while I'm interested in you/Wonda/Veggie too, I also think I'll have an easier time resolving my suspicions on you all as the game goes on, whereas I think it's less likely I'll reach resolution on Clem.

Plus the relative resistance to his wagon compared to others raises my eyebrows.
 
chicandtoughness said:
This post doesn't sit well with me for some reason. You're doing the same thing as Veggie is doing - overly explaining why you don't want to take a stance one way or another. Yes, it's the first day, but everyone should be able to defend why they are voting why they are voting, even if that defense is, "idk they don't sound the same as last game" or "I voted to get a response from them" or "I agree with player X and will follow their guidance".

Confidence of accuracy can be low, yes, but everyone should be able to justify to some extend why they are voting why they are voting.

There are plenty of role possibilities that have knowledge besides the wolves. (see: mothy and Kat in the noob game).

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@VeggieTrex I want to know who you're reading wolf right now.

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Here's my read list:

Sus because of content of posts: Veggie (I explained why previously), mightyrunner (see above), matt (ditto what everyone's been saying)

Sus because vibez feel different than previous games: AM, miranda, Wonda (not because of matt defense, I want to point out)

Idk because not enough posts: mkg

Idk because you're hard to read: Dubz, Clem, samac

Village lean: genny, Dina, SAR, Santy, Vis

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I'm also strangely sus of anyone who finds me villagey on D1 lmao.
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Oooh I’m hard to read :heckyeah:

I can see your sus list. Can you explain your village lean list?
 
VeggieTrex said:
I'm thinking Wonda is the most wolf. Mighty may also be wolf. I don't think Wonda and Matt are in a pack together, which is why I don't necessarily think Matt is a wolf. I don't want to reboil old water on Matt, but Matt is sus to me as well.
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Wait isn’t your vote on Matt? Wha?
 
Wondalfy said:
I am now going to collect most of my posts for everyone to see.





I never said matt was village-y. I've said from the beginning I thought it was a joke, I didn't think the village thing is a slip. I think there is misyeet potential, I sense a misyeet, not that it is a misyeet. I just didn't like the votes.



I don't like the vote logic. Some of my statements were generalizations of what people said, but the categories were the same -- voted for matt, threw sus on matt, neutral, didn't throw sus on matt.


This is where another theory pops up in my head that further supports my feelings about the matt votes and me not liking the vote logic.


Further confirmed misyeet potential logic.


This is a simplified versions of my further voting thoughts. So few people have either not commented on matt/slightly defended matt that I don't think multiple wolves are hiding there. So, those who threw sus on matt are more likely to be wolves.

I have not been wish-washy. I honestly just don't think most people seem to like my train of logic, or think that I'm being hedge-y about matt. which is fine. I am currently neutral about matt, I get that seems hedge-y. I just think both theories are possible right now. but I've literally not been hedge-y about anything else. I very honestly don't see in what universe I would go down this path if I was a wolf.
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Someone who’s played with them before - has he quoted and read through his own posts to re-iterate himself before?
 
@Animal Midwife Is the reason your vote is currently on me still due to the whole: doing things people said villagers should do, and it not being innate to me?

Just want to confirm. Also curious if your other susses are still same as before.
 
samac said:
Someone who’s played with them before - has he quoted and read through his own posts to re-iterate himself before?
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Wonda is she/her just FYI and I don't specifically recall one way or another.
 
intrusive thought: even though matt's never played with AM, if he was a wolf, the rest of his pack definitely has. you'd think theyd have told him not to try and start a wagon on her D1 right? idk just thinking about yesterday, it was bound to fail from the start. like heck i dont think ive ever seen AM yeeted. noob wolves shouldn't bite off more than they can chew, and i'd expect a more experienced wolf to have shot that down
 
chicandtoughness said:
AM - it's possibly because I wasn't under her scrutiny, but I don't find her as aggressive as the previous game. That said, I've only played one other game with her so this is probably not good evidence. I find it strange she's not pushing harder.

miranda - Initially stated that "it doesn't seem logical" that matt would self vote immediately. Then spent quite a bit of time compiling quotes to explain why Matt's self-vote was sus (most of it being "I agree with these other people").... and then at last minute backed off and said "but it doesn't make sense". Honestly feels a little inconsistent. I would have expected her to either lean into the matt sus, or to lean into the "it doesn't make sense", but to waffle between the two so strongly feels off.

genny - similar vibes as last game 🙂 Ironically the immediate vote on me makes me feel better about her lol



samac posts like I do when I play wolf lmao. "Why are we discussing 3p?" "Wolves have knowledge of who's village." "AM's question felt like it had a purpose." "What has Matt done other than say.." "Do you think Dina and Matt are compatible". Lots of comments about general strategy and tons of questions towards others but very few opinions of their own.
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Wait wasn’t genny wolf siding last game?

Also I have no opinions?!?!
 
samac said:
Someone who’s played with them before - has he quoted and read through his own posts to re-iterate himself before?
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I dont recall many instances of specificly self-quotes, but long posts with a lot of quotes is pretty typical behavior for wondalfy
 
mkg323 said:
intrusive thought: even though matt's never played with AM, if he was a wolf, the rest of his pack definitely has. you'd think theyd have told him not to try and start a wagon on her D1 right? idk just thinking about yesterday, it was bound to fail from the start. like heck i dont think ive ever seen AM yeeted. noob wolves shouldn't bite off more than they can chew, and i'd expect a more experienced wolf to have shot that down
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Yeah I had that thought too. I mean there's something to be said about the WIFOM of it, like being able to make this exact argument. But like, when is the last time any wolf survived a fight with AM :laugh:
 
I am walking into a family commitment right now and will be MIA for the next bit. I will be planning a strategic bathroom break around :45 before vote close to get caught up.

samac I see your question and I will answer it when I don’t have mother aggro lol.

For now

unyeet Veggie
yeet matt
 
chicandtoughness said:
Maybe "opinions" isn't the right word. I think I'm looking more for samac to give some reads. I do see some posts pointing out how others are being hedgy or questioning others' voting patterns, but I think having more clear cut reads from samac would help me read them better. (You'll find one of my fave questions is asking people who they're wolf/village reading lol). The tone of the posts did move away from general questions/comments in the last few pages so I will concede this.

I'm also going to be 100% honest I am not fully caught up. I've read everything but haven't had time to mull over my tinfoils lol
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I’m not one who tends to make a big pretty dubz color coded list but I think I’ve made it pretty clear my biggest wolf interests are Matt and Wonda.
I’m also interested in veggie.
Clem is an enigma to me, but I did want to see what happened when I moved.
And it’s also fun to follow dubz on day 1 and watch her PANICK
 
mkg323 said:
intrusive thought: even though matt's never played with AM, if he was a wolf, the rest of his pack definitely has. you'd think theyd have told him not to try and start a wagon on her D1 right? idk just thinking about yesterday, it was bound to fail from the start. like heck i dont think ive ever seen AM yeeted. noob wolves shouldn't bite off more than they can chew, and i'd expect a more experienced wolf to have shot that down
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I could see a situation where Matt attempts to start the wagon without consulting the pack and his fellow wolves refuse to get on/tell him to drop it.
 
mkg323 said:
intrusive thought: even though matt's never played with AM, if he was a wolf, the rest of his pack definitely has. you'd think theyd have told him not to try and start a wagon on her D1 right? idk just thinking about yesterday, it was bound to fail from the start. like heck i dont think ive ever seen AM yeeted. noob wolves shouldn't bite off more than they can chew, and i'd expect a more experienced wolf to have shot that down
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WildZoo said:
Yeah I had that thought too. I mean there's something to be said about the WIFOM of it, like being able to make this exact argument. But like, when is the last time any wolf survived a fight with AM :laugh:
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I think my mother posted quotes at the end of last game of me blatantly ignoring advice. I'm not sure why I would ever be expected to listen to the wolf pack seniors

Edit: MY last game, the noob game
 
samac said:
I have a hard time following you tbh.
So for your logic to be sound it has to be a world where Matt is village.
And anyone who stayed out of the conversation is village-y?
Why would not being involved in the conversation be a village move?
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I really don't know how to explain this differently than I have already, so I will do all scenarios. I am not focusing on what would be village moves, but rather wolf moves.

Matt is wolf. Wolves, or most of wolves, don't throw sus on Matt. This would significantly help progress the end of the game since less than 5 people haven't thrown sus on Matt.

Matt is wolf. Wolves throw light/heavy sus on Matt - if Matt is a wolf, I find this more likely considering Matt had a sus train. I find it unlikely wolves would defend matt in this fiasco, instead they would throw sus/bonk him for doing something like self-voting. Or maybe even bus him D1 to look better.

Matt is village. Wolves throw light/heavy sus on Matt for doing something like self-voting (misyeet). Clem is the highest on my list due to this scenario, but I find the other one likely as well.

Matt is village. Wolves, or most of wolves, don't throw sus on Matt to make themselves look better. This would significantly help progress the end of the game because less than 5 people haven't thrown sus on Matt.
 
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