PaWWsta - The Game that WWrites Itself (Game Thread)

[Animal Midwife]

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*stares in lack of kill submissions in Supernatural*

That was different because more than one scum was alive and it wasn't basics. This would be adding time on death row to a death sentence.

 

[genny]

Who´s in your POE?

Not me, not you, not sporty, not wonda. Vis I think would be top choice for me right now. Though I don’t understand why they wouldn’t kill someone.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Not me, not you, not sporty, not wonda. Vis I think would be top choice for me right now. Though I don’t understand why they wouldn’t kill someone.

You are free to case Vis then.

 

[genny]

You are free to case Vis then.

nah, i think i'll just let you follow your mechanical misyeet 😉

 

[Animal Midwife]

As for everyone else, we're going to continue talking and solving like normal. "Worst" case scenario, the discussion was "wasted" because the game ends today. Best case scenario, we got full use out of the cycle and proved it's never worth the risk of deliberately keeping a functional seer alive in a basics game.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Hey everyone, to avoid more noob mistakes, I'm trying to make sure I'm following the game theory here.

Genny was blocked and nobody died. This means:

1. Genny is a wolf that attempted a kill and was blocked
2. The wolf who attempted the kill was prevented from some unknown game mechanic (unlikely in a vanilla-ish game)
3. The wolf chose not to kill anyone to frame genny

In scenario 1, Genny's only realistic response would be to claim innocence, since obviously the blocker has gathered a lot of credibility at this point

Scenario 2 is unlikely, but possible. However, im not sure how we play around "unknown power"

Scenario 3 would mean the wolf was attempting a misyeet of genny, to prepare for a kill tomorrow night. I'm struggling to see how this was in the wolve's best interest, since it would be a missed "guarantee kill" opportunity of the blocker. If genny is misyeeted, the wolf would risk the blocker stopping them tomorrow night

I'm good with continuing to discuss and determine who else is sus along with genny (we could have 2 wolves and the non-genny one didn't perform the kill for unknown reasons), but I find it tough to justify voting for anyone else.

 

[mightyrunner7]

Village - Samac, wonda, AM
Leaning village - mkg, sporty, miranda
Leaning sus- vis
Super sus - genny

 

[genny]

it's never worth the risk of deliberately keeping a functional seer alive in a basics game.

what wolf has that kind of hubris? vis. sporty would kill. i think mkg would too.

 

[Animal Midwife]

what wolf has that kind of hubris? vis. sporty would kill. i think mkg would too.

Then I need you to case Vis.

 

[genny]

but i'm tired and i have to dentistate tomorrow.

 

[Animal Midwife]

but i'm tired and i have to dentistate tomorrow.

We have ~47 hours.

 

[genny]

i know, and i'm going to be uber busy or asleep for most of them.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hey everyone, to avoid more noob mistakes, I'm trying to make sure I'm following the game theory here.

Genny was blocked and nobody died. This means:

1. Genny is a wolf that attempted a kill and was blocked
2. The wolf who attempted the kill was prevented from some unknown game mechanic (unlikely in a vanilla-ish game)
3. The wolf chose not to kill anyone to frame genny

In scenario 1, Genny's only realistic response would be to claim innocence, since obviously the blocker has gathered a lot of credibility at this point

Scenario 2 is unlikely, but possible. However, im not sure how we play around "unknown power"

Scenario 3 would mean the wolf was attempting a misyeet of genny, to prepare for a kill tomorrow night. I'm struggling to see how this was in the wolve's best interest, since it would be a missed "guarantee kill" opportunity of the blocker. If genny is misyeeted, the wolf would risk the blocker stopping them tomorrow night

I'm good with continuing to discuss and determine who else is sus along with genny (we could have 2 wolves and the non-genny one didn't perform the kill for unknown reasons), but I find it tough to justify voting for anyone else.

I'm certain there's only one wolf or else I wouldn't have outted myself. With two wolves, I only have the basic amount of power a blocker does, which is the sole ability to condemn (and not be able to clear).

 

[Animal Midwife]

Also, if there is another ability who can stop kills, they would claim today to maximize information and minimize errors. However, that'd be an extremely heavy amount of village PRs so I'm very doubtful.

 

[WildZoo]

However, that'd be an extremely heavy amount of village PRs so I'm very doubtful.

Not to mention all of my abilities

 

[WildZoo]

That was different because more than one scum was alive and it wasn't basics. This would be adding time on death row to a death sentence.

But what about the lulz

 

[Animal Midwife]

But what about the lulz

More power to them, I suppose. It'd be absolute torture for me.

 

[WildZoo]

Not to mention all of my abilities

Yo my bull**** is for laughs, not for cares MIDWIFE

 

[WildZoo]

 

[Viscernable]

Well i was blocked, so it's clearly a frame job.

So are you hard wolfreading AM?

 

[genny]

So are you hard wolfreading AM?

Uh no. Why would I do that? I don’t see wolf!AM doing that to Santy. That’s just not how she plays.

 

[samac]

I want to blocc sporty.
It would have been both santy and veggie doing an early bus on matt.
My blocc is AM, sporty, wonda.
@Animal Midwife any issues with that?

 

[SportPonies]

I want to blocc sporty.
It would have been both santy and veggie doing an early bus on matt.
My blocc is AM, sporty, wonda.
@Animal Midwife any issues with that?

My angry is only because I must angry the use of two c’s.

 

[samac]

My angry is only because I must angry the use of two c’s.

EVEN WHEN YOURE IN IT?!

 

[Animal Midwife]

I want to blocc sporty.
It would have been both santy and veggie doing an early bus on matt.
My blocc is AM, sporty, wonda.
@Animal Midwife any issues with that?

I suppose that's alright.

 

[WildZoo]

So are you hard wolfreading AM?

Yes

 

[Viscernable]

what wolf has that kind of hubris? vis. sporty would kill. i think mkg would too.

Do you have a citation for why you think I’d choose to give up the chance of a kill of anyone I want just to maybe frame someone if AM blocked someone else, when I’m the most suspected (I assume because I was village-reading Santy until AM revealed she blocked him) and would just be blocked and yeeted after the one misyeet?

 

[samac]

I suppose that's alright.

Then the game is mechanically locked for a village win at this point then isn’t it? Or am I crazy?

 

[Viscernable]

Uh no. Why would I do that? I don’t see wolf!AM doing that to Santy. That’s just not how she plays.

I was confused how you thought you were framed if the person blocking wasn’t the one doing the framing, but apparently your hypothesis is just that I’m a wolf who makes stupid choices

 

[Viscernable]

Yeet genny

 

[Animal Midwife]

Then the game is mechanically locked for a village win at this point then isn’t it? Or am I crazy?

Yeah, which is why a no kill world would thoroughly baffle me.

 

[WildZoo]

Do you have a citation for why you think I’d choose to give up the chance of a kill of anyone I want just to maybe frame someone if AM blocked someone else, when I’m the most suspected (I assume because I was village-reading Santy until AM revealed she blocked him) and would just be blocked and yeeted after the one misyeet?

Vissy pls, what about the lulz

 

[WildZoo]

I want to blocc sporty.
It would have been both santy and veggie doing an early bus on matt.
My blocc is AM, sporty, wonda.
@Animal Midwife any issues with that?

Wow, can't believe you left me out of the blocc

 

[WildZoo]

My heart is brokatini

 

[samac]

Wow, can't believe you left me out of the blocc

You can be in the block

 

[samac]

Yeet genny

 

[WildZoo]

You can be in the block

My pre-death VCA is just as good as yours

 

[genny]

I was confused how you thought you were framed if the person blocking wasn’t the one doing the framing, but apparently your hypothesis is just that I’m a wolf who makes stupid choices

I mean, it’s working, right? Y’all are yeeting a villager, so is the choice really that stupid? If you did kill someone other than AM, then AM would have cleared me with the block and that would be a 4-villager bloc instead of 3.

I’m wondering if you didn’t kill AM because you were worried about her being protected? Did Santy not get a blocking message?

 

[WildZoo]

Tinfoil:
What if it's not Vis either? What if it's someone else entirely, someone a bit more under the radar, who would actually stand to gain from the blocking pushing through an easy misyeet? Their other option would be to let AM potentially clear people, or even worse, land on the correct block again. If everyone is right about there being 1 wolf left, against 7 (?) villagers, you gotta think outside of the box to survive that. Maybe they were getting creative.

 

[WildZoo]

Or we're wrong and there's actually two wolves left and y'all are boned

 

[Animal Midwife]

Tinfoil:
What if it's not Vis either? What if it's someone else entirely, someone a bit more under the radar, who would actually stand to gain from the blocking pushing through an easy misyeet? Their other option would be to let AM potentially clear people, or even worse, land on the correct block again. If everyone is right about there being 1 wolf left, against 7 (?) villagers, you gotta think outside of the box to survive that. Maybe they were getting creative.

Even in this exact scenario, not killing me is still the worst option.

As the final wolf, is it better to have one clear alive or an entire seer + no nightkills?

 

[WildZoo]

Even in this exact scenario, not killing me is still the worst option.

As the final wolf, is it better to have one clear alive or an entire seer + no nightkills?

I mean, the risk in trying to kill you is that you block them and the whole game ends. It's a bold strategy, and one that makes the game a heck of a lot more tedious, but it entirely prevents an insta-loss. So I could see it. Desperate times.

 

[genny]

Even in this exact scenario, not killing me is still the worst option.

As the final wolf, is it better to have one clear alive or an entire seer + no nightkills?

So from the night results I received, I could see the wolves being worried you would act on yourself and be protected. Which would be the same result as skipping a kill, so why not just skip?

 

[supershorty]

Or we're wrong and there's actually two wolves left and y'all are boned

There are 9 wolves left.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I mean, the risk in trying to kill you is that you block them and the whole game ends. It's a bold strategy, and one that makes the game a heck of a lot more tedious, but it entirely prevents an insta-loss. So I could see it. Desperate times.

They'd have to keep forgoing the nightkill for it to "work." If my POE is wrong, you always kill me. That's the only chance at winning. With this strategy, they're ensuring they can't get to f3 (likely not even F4 tbh) because there are too many clears alive (outside of me).

 

[WildZoo]

So from the night results I received, I could see the wolves being worried you would act on yourself and be protected. Which would be the same result as skipping a kill, so why not just skip?

Would have been odd for wolves to interpret AM's ability as protection given that she was pushing Santy, not clearing a protection target.

 

[genny]

There are 9 wolves left.

It’s not fair to make me the only villager, trying to fight off a misyeet by a pack of wolves 😢

 

[Animal Midwife]

So from the night results I received, I could see the wolves being worried you would act on yourself and be protected. Which would be the same result as skipping a kill, so why not just skip?

For situations like this. Sometimes you just bite the bullet. At the bare minimum, kill someone else who's clear to stop the box from closing in.

 

[genny]

They'd have to keep forgoing the nightkill for it to "work." If my POE is wrong, you always kill me. That's the only chance at winning. With this strategy, they're ensuring they can't get to f3 (likely not even F4 tbh) because there are too many clears alive (outside of me).

I didn’t say it was a winning strategy, just that it’s the least crappy way to lose.

 

[genny]

For situations like this. Sometimes you just bite the bullet. At the bare minimum, kill someone else who's clear to stop the box from closing in.

Ok but if they kill a clear, then I’m clear because you blocked me. It doesn’t stop the box from closing in. It just changes who’s holding up the sides.