Persistence of Minecraft WW Game Thread

[Mad Jack]

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So anyway, last night I sent a message to the wolves ....
I told them I was chaos (lie #1), and I told them who I was (or I hinted at it so strongly that they could guess easily in case mods didn't allow me to use my name)...

I told them I would help the wolves (lie#2) and if they used the word "bon bon" like "I am eating bonbons now" in the thread I would know who they were and that I would prove I was trustworthy by not lynching them (lie #3) or disclosing info (lie#4).

I figured there was probably very little chance they would trust me, but if it was a noob enough pack, or a real risk taker like STL, it might work.

More importantly, I figured by offering myself as an easy target as chaos, i figured they would just try to cast aspersions on me, cause I am just about the easiest person to lynch, cause everyone always thinks I am a wolf. (for example, look at last game... i was lynched as a seer, not even given a chance to be investigated overnight, hell even STL got to live 1 day as a seer and he is even more sketch than me)

So IMO, the wolves would try to twist whatever I did or said, and they could vote for me or not, and either way, they could try to gain some credibility since at least they lynched chaos. It was a no risk situation for them to try to look like good villagers just "missing slightly, but they knew I was off".

Anyway, that is why I am highly suspicious of anyone lynching me.

Clever, I like it.

 

[morninqlory]

Day 2 Lynch Tally
WZ () -
Dy (1) - Kam
SOV (2) - LoTF, Finn
MQ (1) - Pho
Finn (2) - MJ, WZ
LoTF (1) - SOV

7/22 accounted for, deadline 9PM EST.

 

[WildZoo]

Clever, I like it.

That's how you know it's crazy

 

[PrincessButterCup]

SOV. . . is hard to read. All this bluster and posting code words before they've had a chance to be used, it's all weird and makes me want to lynch him. But he's SOV. So none of that necessarily means a thing.

Lynch promo for now but I'll try to check in again if work gets out ib time.

 

[Promethean]

SOV. . . is hard to read. All this bluster and posting code words before they've had a chance to be used, it's all weird and makes me want to lynch him. But he's SOV. So none of that necessarily means a thing.

Lynch promo for now but I'll try to check in again if work gets out ib time.

Would be nice if you had a reason attached to that. But whatevs. I'm not going to go into defense mode if this is just a placeholder vote.

 

[Kam325]

SOV. . . is hard to read. All this bluster and posting code words before they've had a chance to be used, it's all weird and makes me want to lynch him. But he's SOV. So none of that necessarily means a thing.

Lynch promo for now but I'll try to check in again if work gets out ib time.

How I read it, SOV wasn't saying he sent the code word actually thinking a wolf would use it. Sounds like he's saying he used the code word as a pretense for telling the wolves he was chaos. He hoped they'd use that knowledge to try to get him lynched in order to a) keep the attention off themselves for a cycle and b) gain some cred when he "came back chaos".

So yeah it's kind of a crazy plan, but it's not stupid. He was looking for the people who'd lynch him, not the people who'd say bonbon.

 

[LetItSnow]

Does anyone else get the sense that SOV wants to be lynched? The way he's posting about WZ and KCough, it sounds like he's intentionally trying to convince people to vote for him by sheer obnoxiousness.

No. I get the sense he's pulling a classic SOV ridiculous stunt with a low probability of success and a high probability of confusing the hell out of everyone, including the village. It super reminds me of when he made a D1 claim of being unkillable, so I killed him N1. For which he still hates me.

No sense in putting off the lynching until the last minute; starting early yesterday got us some information on one person who actually survived the night. Since the current votes are on the two people I can PM with, and someone who claims to have been attacked, I'm going to go back to yesterday's feels and

lynch MQ

lynch allyphoe

The "No sense ...." comment really bugs me. I can't explain why. But it really does. Almost like apologizing for putting a vote in.

Zen's night action option was to feed someone a mushroom with unknown effects. Her intended Night 1 action was to eat it herself. She also offered to feed it to me if I wanted proof; when I said I didn't care, she said she would use it on herself in case it had bad effects.

In actual Minecraft, mushroom stew is an excellent food item (plain mushrooms aren't food, but can be cooked into food), so my guess was that it would be healing / protective. Apparently not. No idea if she died because it was categorically deadly, had random odds of being deadly, or was only deadly to some people.

This bugs me too. So basically Ally made a claim about Zen that is now 100% unverifiable. That's convenient. Or maybe I just don't understand it.

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Serious glitch in in the matrix. Anybody else? Random squares of black blocking off portions of your screen. They move whenever you touch a button, so my screen is kinda having a seizure while I type....
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I really don't like the use of ******* for off-topic posting. That's not directed specifically at LoTF, because lots of people are doing it and she's just going with the flow on it. But I get super confused about who is dead and alive. The first one I saw I thought "****, when did they die????"

Since we are all wildly speculating on Zen's death... i assumed that zen had a role that let them survive for a day after lynching. Simple, clean, and apparently useless.

Not sure it really matters unless it recurs.

That's where I went, too. I'm going with simple explanation, which is wolves attacked WZ, who somehow didn't die (????), and Zen had a role that allowed him to choose someone else to die in his place but he dies later. That sounds like a Trilt thing to do.

So anyway, last night I sent a message to the wolves ....
I told them I was chaos (lie #1), and I told them who I was (or I hinted at it so strongly that they could guess easily in case mods didn't allow me to use my name)...

I told them I would help the wolves (lie#2) and if they used the word "bon bon" like "I am eating bonbons now" in the thread I would know who they were and that I would prove I was trustworthy by not lynching them (lie #3) or disclosing info (lie#4).

I figured there was probably very little chance they would trust me, but if it was a noob enough pack, or a real risk taker like STL, it might work.

More importantly, I figured by offering myself as an easy target as chaos, i figured they would just try to cast aspersions on me, cause I am just about the easiest person to lynch, cause everyone always thinks I am a wolf. (for example, look at last game... i was lynched as a seer, not even given a chance to be investigated overnight, hell even STL got to live 1 day as a seer and he is even more sketch than me)

So IMO, the wolves would try to twist whatever I did or said, and they could vote for me or not, and either way, they could try to gain some credibility since at least they lynched chaos. It was a no risk situation for them to try to look like good villagers just "missing slightly, but they knew I was off".

Anyway, that is why I am highly suspicious of anyone lynching me.

Sigh. This is classic crazy SOV. Impossible to tell which of those lies is a lie, which is truth, and which lies he didn't conveniently enumerate for us. Drives me batty because it just throws a major ass monkey wrench into the game.

But for all that, it is classic village SOV.

name one behavior I would lynch others for?
Name one.

questioning a statement of someone?
defending myself?

unlynch Dyachei
lynch lotf

this is more sketch than Dyachei.

LoTF is village in my book right now based on her D1 comments.

It was a backhanded defense though - I'm not surprised by the amount that you're reaching on day 2 because you always do that.

🤣

Just got out of work...me reading the thread can be personified by this emoji:

I don't think SOV is necessarily being wolfy, but I don't necessarily believe that all of his "lies" are lies. Such is WW. Based on his claimed ability, I would lean toward chaos, but that is speculation based on similar chaos abilities being in previous games. Need to eat dinner now but will be back with a lynch vote shortly

I'm always suspicious of quickly-forming bandwagons,

This post moves guis into the sketchy pile.

I don't know, I understand the votes for SOV but I also don't think anything he's said today is way out of character either. Certainly think it's possible he could be chaos or neutral---but don't know that it would make a lot of sense for him to come out with the role reveal (that could easily make people more suspicious) and explain his trap if he didn't genuinely believe he was catching wolves. It was early in the cycle and he only had a handful of votes, so doesn't seem like a move born out of desperation, really.

Yeah. Have to admit, I thought it was awfully early for him to spill that stuff. But on the flip side, nobody likes a runaway wagon against them.

 

[LetItSnow]

Just in case my lynch vote got missed in that wall of text:

lynch allyphoe

 

[WildZoo]

I really don't like the use of ******* for off-topic posting. That's not directed specifically at LoTF, because lots of people are doing it and she's just going with the flow on it. But I get super confused about who is dead and alive. The first one I saw I thought "****, when did they die????"

I think someone asked us to post in stars for off topic posting a couple games ago, because things got a little crazy during one night cycle. Or something.

 

[LetItSnow]

I think someone asked us to post in stars for off topic posting a couple games ago, because things got a little crazy during one night cycle. Or something.

Right, I get it. Like I said, I wasn't criticizing or attacking anyone for it - I realize it was kinda a group decision. I was just saying: I really don't like it because it wrecks my mental tally of who is alive and who is dead.

 

[WildZoo]

Right, I get it. Like I said, I wasn't criticizing or attacking anyone for it - I realize it was kinda a group decision. I was just saying: I really don't like it because it wrecks my mental tally of who is alive and who is dead.

Yeah it's done that to me before too.

 

[Skimble]

Maybe
Either way there was something wonky with yesterday's lynch.

I thought so too but she seemed to not know why she survived the lynch, and if it was simple as that why did hazel die instead?

Agreed. Something was weird with yesterday's lynch. I wonder if an item gave someone an extra vote or if it's an innate ability.

So my suspicions will be:

KC, LotF, Finn for voting for me.
Dyachei PBC for negative comments against me.

I choose Dyachei for trying to link 2 unrelated items. There are a ton of things that the wolves could have done last night. My not knowing those things doesn't make me suspicious, but it makes me suspicious of Dyachei. PBC also threw out a weird comment about me wanting to be lynched as well.

Maybe i am wrong, but I doubt the wolves would ignore me as an easy target.

I think Dy is way too experienced to jump on a lunch vote for you if she were a wolf and you are telling the truth about what you did.

I think SOV is acting weird because most of his behavior sounds a lot like stuff he would lynch others for. But, willing to role with this.

You are suggesting there are multiple blockers? One attacked WZ and one scared me senseless? Or what do you think happened to me last night?

A certain amount of skepticism is required for this game but... this whole story sounds a little much, unless

Anybody see someone edit in or out SOVs code word because I don't see it? (I don't want to say it lest bad things are assumed about me.)

There could easily be multiple blockers. Very often there is a wolf and a villager blocker, sometimes multiple villager blockers.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Still at conference crazy busy once again. Skimmed last two pages, what SOV did is not surprising, and I do like the play. If he was actual chaos or wolf, it would paint a huge target on his back to look into him, which I don't think he would do.

Other than that, the WZ thing I am not sure of, no point claiming it on a kill night, it's more abnormal to claim it in that situation, so I don't think she would make that up.

******lunch LOTF********* no great reason, super mild feels

 

[WildZoo]

what SOV did is not surprising, and I do like the play

That's how you know it's crazy

x2

 

[dyachei]

Agreed. Something was weird with yesterday's lynch. I wonder if an item gave someone an extra vote or if it's an innate ability.


I think Dy is way too experienced to jump on a lunch vote for you if she were a wolf and you are telling the truth about what you did.


There could easily be multiple blockers. Very often there is a wolf and a villager blocker, sometimes multiple villager blockers.

I didn't even vote him for all that.

I questioned him.

 

[guisantes]

Lynch LotF

 

[Skimble]

Lynch Finn

Partially going with my theory from yesterday, and the SOV lynch thing.

 

[Skimble]

I didn't even vote him for all that.

I questioned him.

I see that now. For some reason I thought you voted for him too.

 

[dyachei]

I see that now. For some reason I thought you voted for him too.

well, the way he reacted, you would assume so.

 

[LetItSnow]

Lynch LotF

Because?

 

[finnickthedog]

Lynch Finn

Partially going with my theory from yesterday, and the SOV lynch thing.

In regards to your theory from yesterday, my lynch vote was consistent for me. Guis was #11 in the roster and therefore got my random early vote. I didn't agree with the rationale behind the leading candidates so I didn't switch later.

In regards to today I voted for SOV because of feels and I didn't see a better candidate. I didn't want to wait too late in the day to put a vote in because it doesn't allow people time to defend themselves. At the time there was very little to work with. I'm still determining whether there is a better place to put my vote.

 

[LetItSnow]

unlynch allyphoe

lynch guisantes

 

[genny]

lynch finn

I agree with Jilary on this one. Finn stayed away from the Zen lynch, and has been pretty quiet.

 

[Trilt]

PS: Oodles of love and Trilt points to anyone who can keep tally running. I can do it from my phone but it is laborious. Only eleven more hours on the road!

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I feel like if I were voting for SOV based on his crazy theory, I would have pulled off once I knew the "true" story.

But, I am keeping my vote there because
1) he had enough weird behavior today that several people commented on it, so it wasn't just me thinking he was acting weird
2) someone just told a crazy story in an effort to say that anybody voting for them is a suspect so nobody is allowed to vote for them... that sounds fishy to me. I don't care if people are saying fishy is normal for SOV. This is a something I would question anyone on and SOV has not acted this far out there in recent games, so it doesn't fall within my normal for him.

I am willing to move if convinced, but so far I just am not.

 

[LetItSnow]

PS: Oodles of love and Trilt points to anyone who can keep tally running. I can do it from my phone but it is laborious. Only eleven more hours on the road!

Are Trilt points redeemable for anything? And if so, is it like one of those things where you need a zillion points to get a small plastic crappy waist pouch from the 80's?

 

[heyyimhayley]

lynch Finn

Putting pressure on someone besides SOV. I see what he was getting at, agree with Kam here:

So yeah it's kind of a crazy plan, but it's not stupid. He was looking for the people who'd lynch him, not the people who'd say bonbon.

But I also don't see the people voting for him as wolves, because his behavior did come off as odd regardless of affiliation.

 

[finnickthedog]

lynch finn

I agree with Jilary on this one. Finn stayed away from the Zen lynch, and has been pretty quiet.

Interesting accusation from someone who has made one less post than I have. Define "quiet".
I wasn't more vocal this morning because my computer was updating and I was stuck on my phone, which I actually mentioned.

I'm also not the only one who stayed away from the Zen lynch. I didn't agree with the reasoning--and she turned out not to be a wolf.

 

[WildZoo]

Unofficial Lynch Tally

WZ () -
Dy (1) - Kam
SOV (2) - LoTF, Finn
MQ (1) - ally
Finn (5) - MJ, WZ, Jilary, genny, hayley
LoTF (3) - SOV, STL, guis
promo (1) - PBC
ally () -
guis (1) - LIS

14/22 accounted for, deadline 9PM EST.

@finnickthedog you're winning!

 

[LetItSnow]

lynch Finn

Putting pressure on someone besides SOV. I see what he was getting at, agree with Kam here:


But I also don't see the people voting for him as wolves, because his behavior did come off as odd regardless of affiliation.

I thought the whole plan was lamesauce. If I were a wolf and got a message like that - assuming he's not making the entire thing up - I'd be like "ha. ha. ha. that's cute. yeah, not going to get involved in that even a little."

But it was classic SOV.

 

[finnickthedog]

I've explained the reasoning behind my votes. I haven't exhibited any unusual behavior for me so I'm not sure what else the people voting for me want.
At this point, jumping the bandwagon to "put pressure on me" seems silly. I've already talked. What exactly are you hoping to gain?

I can't give you much else. There's no active ability for me to "prove". You can have my role name if you want but honestly I think it's pretty useless.

 

[LetItSnow]

lynch finn

I agree with Jilary on this one. Finn stayed away from the Zen lynch, and has been pretty quiet.

What was wrong with Finn staying away from the Zen lynch? Idgi.

 

[Trilt]

Unofficial Lynch Tally

WZ () -
Dy (1) - Kam
SOV (2) - LoTF, Finn
MQ (1) - ally
Finn (5) - MJ, WZ, Jilary, genny, hayley
LoTF (3) - SOV, STL, guis
promo (1) - PBC
ally () -
guis (1) - LIS

14/22 accounted for, deadline 9PM EST.

@finnickthedog you're winning!

20 Trilt points to WZ!

Are Trilt points redeemable for anything? And if so, is it like one of those things where you need a zillion points to get a small plastic crappy waist pouch from the 80's?

Accumulate them and find out! First prize level at 200. Not redeemable for cash or sketchy things.

 

[LetItSnow]

20 Trilt points to WZ!

Accumulate them and find out! First prize level at 200. Not redeemable for cash or sketchy things.

No sketchy things? I'm out.

 

[WildZoo]

Accumulate them and find out! First prize level at 200. Not redeemable for cash or sketchy things.

Do i get points for the tallies I did yesterday?

 

[Trilt]

Do i get points for the tallies I did yesterday?

-2 Trilt points for getting greedy. 😉

 

[dyachei]

Do i get points for the tallies I did yesterday?

greedy.

lynch mq

seems quiet

 

[WildZoo]

-2 Trilt points for getting greedy. 😉

greedy.

😢

 

[Devastating]

Just caught up. Uhh...okay, SOV read waaaaay too much into one innocuous post (which granted, could be used as a ploy, but does it really look like that's the case here? it's day 2). Can't even say anything about that "plan" posting that hasn't already been said. Course that kind of play from him is nothing new 😛, so nothing there cries wolf to me, at least not so far.

Re: Finn--eh, I don't see anything out of the ordinary there. She just came back to WW-ing and I don't feel that her activity level is anything sketch/out of the ordinary, nor do I see staying away from the Zen lynch as suspicious? (though I may need to go back and retread that day's lynch activity)

 

[Kam325]

Unlynch Dy Lynch Lotf, like it more than the Finn lynch.

@LadyOtheFarm

 

[morninqlory]

greedy.

lynch mq

seems quiet

I think I'm always quiet?

Anyways, lynch ally because I didn't like how she didn't think hmoo was a wolf yesterday but voted to lynch her anyways because she didn't think Zen was a wolf. I would think you should pick someone you think might be a wolf instead. I dunno.

 

[morninqlory]

Day 2 Lynch Tally
WZ () -
Dy () -
SOV (2) - LoTF, Finn
MQ (2) - ally, dy
Finn (5) - MJ, WZ, Jil, genny, hayley
LoTF (4) - SOV, STL, guis, Kam
Promo (1) - PBC
ally (1) - MQ
guis (1) - LIS

16/22 accounted for, deadline ~46 minutes.

 

[genny]

Interesting accusation from someone who has made one less post than I have. Define "quiet".
I wasn't more vocal this morning because my computer was updating and I was stuck on my phone, which I actually mentioned.

I'm also not the only one who stayed away from the Zen lynch. I didn't agree with the reasoning--and she turned out not to be a wolf.

Ha! Yeah, I suppose I've been quiet too. Also, those excuses could just be used to cover your butt if you want to be quiet as a wolf. I still thought your day 1 vote was weird, since you admitted to RNG and then never changed it to anything more meaningful after people had been talking.

 

[KCgophervet]

I think I'll go to my old standby and

###Lynch MJ ###

I'd rather get some play time with Finn and i don't think lotf is playing any sketchier than usual.


Sent from my VS876 using SDN mobile

 

[finnickthedog]

Ha! Yeah, I suppose I've been quiet too. Also, those excuses could just be used to cover your butt if you want to be quiet as a wolf. I still thought your day 1 vote was weird, since you admitted to RNG and then never changed it to anything more meaningful after people had been talking.

It wasn't RNG. I just like the number 11. 😉

I explained why I didn't change it to anything meaningful. I did not feel either of those players was a wolf--and oh look, neither of them was. Apparently it's now sketchy not to vote to lynch a villager that you believe to be a villager. I think it would have been far more sketchy if, after stating that I wasn't buying into the logic, I suddenly decided to jump on the bandwagon.

Furthermore, if you really want to run with these theories there are others who didn't get behind the zen lynch. Including several who were also on SOV "list of suspects" today. I'm not the sole person who ticks both boxes.

So why get fixated on me when I've already explained myself to the best of my ability and what I've said is fairly reasonable? I assume you must find it reasonable too or you would come back with something better than "you would also say that if you were a wolf". It's odd that you would be so set on lynching a particular person with such flimsy rationale.

 

[Kam325]

I think I'll go to my old standby and

###Lynch MJ ###

I'd rather get some play time with Finn and i don't think lotf is playing any sketchier than usual.


Sent from my VS876 using SDN mobile

I don't know actually, I kind of feel like villager lotf would have already come out with a passionate defense a little earlier than was really necessary. She's liking posts, so she's around. And she's close enough to be in danger. I don't usually get the wolfy vibes when Lotf is doing Lotf but I do feel a smidge this game.

 

[KCgophervet]

I don't know actually, I kind of feel like villager lotf would have already come out with a passionate defense a little earlier than was really necessary. She's liking posts, so she's around. And she's close enough to be in danger. I don't usually get the wolfy vibes when Lotf is doing Lotf but I do feel a smidge this game.

I was actually thinking she was trying to play less defensively based on advice she'd received in the previous game. But actually you're right that it is different play style.

Sent from my VS876 using SDN mobile

 

[Devastating]

I already spoke about Finn and don't quite feel the LoTF lynch either.

lynch MQ because you are the next-highest candidate other than SOV, and I'd like to hear more. (wouldn't mind hearing more from Ally, either, but don't know if she's been around to see the posts about her)

 

[WildZoo]

unlynch finn
I still think she jumped on sobsob's bandwagon rather quickly and then seemed to post as if she wasn't actually that suspicious of him, but some of the other reasoning being used for her lynch is rubbing me the wrong way so i'm no longer comfortable with it.

 

[Kam325]

I was actually thinking she was trying to play less defensively based on advice she'd received in the previous game. But actually you're right that it is different play style.

Sent from my VS876 using SDN mobile

Yeah, you definitely could be right. I do think you're more likely to make an effort to finesse your play style as a wolf than a villager, though. When I'm a villager I'm comfortable doing all kinds of sketchball things because the stakes are lower.