PokeWWon: A Wild Kanto Adventure - Champs Season 12 Practice Game Thread

[samac]

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Is that a thing? Like we can vote to not kill anyone in a day cycle?

(Normally this is not a thing on sdn but I know we're not playing by home rules)

It is. It’s the sleep vote.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Kinda like the idea of not voting today, ngl. At this point everyone is the POE and that means mafia is forced to kill within the POE.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Is that a thing? Like we can vote to not kill anyone in a day cycle?

(Normally this is not a thing on sdn but I know we're not playing by home rules)

Oh…I assumed it was

 

[supershorty]

O **** I went to watch a weird ass house tour video Zenge sent me and it's lylo??

DID HE SEND YOU THE POSEIDON HOUSE

 

[potentialsheltervet]

But I also don't think it would be 1 in 3 at that point, F4 is more likely if we voted sleep

 

[potentialsheltervet]

DID HE SEND YOU THE POSEIDON HOUSE

SEND IT TO ME

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Also, because I understand I'm massively in contention: I have a huge assessment thing tomorrow that I'll be screaming/crying/throwing up over and thus will be absent from thread for... probably most of tomorrow. It is what it is.

 

[KayJayQueue]

But I also don't think it would be 1 in 3 at that point, F4 is more likely if we voted sleep

I mean that’s still better than 5.

 

[samac]

Kinda like the idea of not voting today, ngl. At this point everyone is the POE and that means mafia is forced to kill within the POE.

Ehhhh…..

 

[samac]

But I also don't think it would be 1 in 3 at that point, F4 is more likely if we voted sleep

There’s not a reason in the world for a wolf to do that….?

 

[SARdoghandler]

DID HE SEND YOU THE POSEIDON HOUSE

YES AND I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS

(first of which is why and how he knows about this to pull it out as "weird house example #1" when it has only 90 views on YouTube 😂)

 

[supershorty]

YES AND I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS

(first of which is why and how he knows about this to pull it out as "weird house example #1" when it has only 90 views on YouTube 😂)

that's my fault, it was shown to me the last time I visited Minnesota and then I came back to Ohio and said ZENGE YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS

 

[samac]

But if I do vote sleep I’m likely to die tonight and be absolved of responsibility…. Hmmn

 

[supershorty]

I AM NOT SURE IF VOTES ACTUALLY ARE LOCKED OR NOT BECAUSE DUBZ AND I ARE NOT MODBOT

WE ARE DOING OUR BEST

WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE

 

[WildZoo]

Sorry y'all, another clarification - since it is MyLo, votes are NOT locked, but majority IS in effect immediately


In other news, I am retiring and giving my job to ModBot. ​

 

[WildZoo]

Lol

 

[madrigal01]

But if I do vote sleep I’m likely to die tonight and be absolved of responsibility…. Hmmn

Bold of you to assume they wouldn't trap us in hel l together

 

[KayJayQueue]

This is roller coaster lol I love it

 

[SARdoghandler]

Real time footage of both players and mods:

 

[supershorty]

we may migrate our champs practice games to the SDN subforum on MU in future years

we'll see

 

[samac]

Bold of you to assume they wouldn't trap us in hel l together

Nah. Not if they’re double killing tonight.
Why would it be hell to go to F3 with me?

 

[supershorty]

Real time footage of both players and mods:

Live footage of me and Dubz opening this cycle:

 

[WildZoo]

we may migrate our champs practice games to the SDN subforum on MU in future years

we'll see

I regretted not doing so almost instantly

So if I run another one, yes

 

[madrigal01]

Nah. Not if they’re double killing tonight.
Why would it be hell to go to F3 with me?

I just figured they would since we've been at each other's throats in the past so in theory it would put less suspicion on them, twas all

 

[samac]

I just figured they would since we've been at each other's throats in the past so in theory it would put less suspicion on them, twas all

Who do you think would want to take us there?

 

[KayJayQueue]

Bold of you to assume they wouldn't trap us in hel l together

The only way you and samac are in F3 together is if I’m scum lol and since I’m not, it won’t happen.

 

[SARdoghandler]

I also am going to assume wolf didn’t realize that announcement would happen and was trying to be quiet and sneaky.
If I knew that was going to happen and I was wolf I would have shot off last night to take another village voice out and done F4 today instead of F5.

Does this change your opinion on the POE?

 

[samac]

Does this change your opinion on the POE?

I’m a confirmation bias mother ****er and if mad is the vig I’d absolutely understand her bus.

At the same time I am also wondering if she TMI’d me town saying she thought someone would bring her and I to F3 together because we’ve been at each others throats when she hasn’t been town reading me and if PSV was going to flip village I was next on her reads list…….

 

[samac]

The only way you and samac are in F3 together is if I’m scum lol and since I’m not, it won’t happen.

I have considered the hell it would be to go into F3 with you 2 if it went that far lol

 

[madrigal01]

I’m a confirmation bias mother ****er and if mad is the vig I’d absolutely understand her bus.

At the same time I am also wondering if she TMI’d me town saying she thought someone would bring her and I to F3 together because we’ve been at each others throats when she hasn’t been town reading me and if PSV was going to flip village I was next on her reads list…….

I'll say you're giving me a lot more credit than I deserve, unless dead wolves are able to talk to the live wolves in the PMs I am not good enough at this game to pull off this plot twist lmao

 

[samac]

I'll say you're giving me a lot more credit than I deserve, unless dead wolves are able to talk to the live wolves in the PMs I am not good enough at this game to pull off this plot twist lmao

They could have helped lay out a plan ahead of time. The only hesitation I have for not getting down your throat is JJJ’s death. That would have been an interesting solo choice over AM.

 

[kaydubs]

In other news, I am retiring and giving my job to ModBot. ​

Yah, I’m in

 

[KayJayQueue]

Well this is awkward lol

 

[potentialsheltervet]

The player I'm clearing the most/unwilling to entertain a yeet of is samac because of the tie-breaking vote. Everyone else is like well, okay, now that it's come down to it...
(Also @samac my thinking is basically every death now is one within the POE so two deaths within the POE increases odds of the wolf being voted out
Although that's attributing a lot to chance)

 

[potentialsheltervet]

hnnnnnngh but also why would SAR and genny camp out on mayo like that? Heck of a play if they're the pack.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

But then, KJQ's back and forth with mayo feels so genuine it would shock me to have any kind of other communication behind it.
And madrigal pushed genny into the lead and then dipped.
?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

maybe I am just starting to come around to a world where it's madrigal and genny/mayo set her up D1 to ride the seas of a bus

 

[KayJayQueue]

But then, KJQ's back and forth with mayo feels so genuine it would shock me to have any kind of other communication behind it.
And madrigal pushed genny into the lead and then dipped.
?

Does that mean it’s you 👀

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Does that mean it’s you 👀

Nay, JQ. But I am privileged to be in a position of higher knowing.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

With regard to my alignment, that is. I don't have to solve myself.

 

[KayJayQueue]

Nay, JQ.

I townread the smallest things lol I just want to believe it at this point

 

[KayJayQueue]

Well it reads as TMI that you know the scum vig holstered last night. And seeing as you can (probably) only be the strongman, it makes me believe the vig is alive and your ninja is dead.

*sigh*

 

[KayJayQueue]

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Updated.

Thoughts:

~ In the past, when I have done this before new audiences, a continuing trend has been giving more town reads correlates with mafia alignment. That can be taken with a grain of salt here since it's not entirely "new". SDN has seen me do this before, albeit only once or twice. If that is meaningful this time, PSV is the standout.

I think "number of town reads" is less interesting, however, and "is the player operating like the game is in a state reflective of their reads?" is more interesting. In that way I do question PSV a bit. I'm not sure her play to this point necessarily aligns with someone who is as comfortable as "11 town reads and 2 wolf reads" would suggest. She is almost forced by default to include her null read, KJQ, as a wolf just to fill the box. So that's something.

~ Let me be very clear that this information should not be interpreted as immediate guidance about who should be voted out by "consensus". I don't care if someone on this chart got 0 town reads and 12 mafia reads. We must remain nuanced and thorough.

~ The names colored blue arrived after the initial exercise and after my first chart. That likely introduces bias for all of them, and I think that may be most applicable to their mayo reads, for example. Take their reads with slightly more grains of salt.

~ AM could also be called "unaligned" between her approach to the game and her reads here. She is playing with a sort of comfort and confidence, but her reads here suggest chaos and distrust. She should speak about that.

~ This information may have limited value right now. Keep it in mind for later, particularly when a mafia member flips.

Only person still alive that was “scum” for mayo is samac. Me, mad, PSV, SAR were all “town”

 

[KayJayQueue]

Spoiler: Day 1 stuff that pinged me on reread

You did not just call zenge suspect for being quiet and lurky
JJJ pls

Asking me questions based on meta is not going to be a strong suit of mine.

That said, isn't mayo one of the players that always has a policy yeet? In which case, I'd expect him to make the same opening post regardless, but perhaps with more dedication to it if wolf in an attempt to get that village read for consistency

I have seen him get accused of being quiet and lurky probably no less than 20 times. It is the lowest hanging zenge fruit.

I disagree. PSV is an excellent wolf, but I feel like her pointed approach with a slightly relaxed air that she's shown so far is far more likely to be village!PSV

SAR feels like vanilla milk

I recind my soft village point then

Whoever said the thread feels very town-driven right now, I think I agree right now. I wanted to try and leave an informed vote before I go to bed but have more village leans than wolf.

I'm feeling reasonable about PSV, JJJ, Samac, Moonster, and Santy. Probably in about that order on strength of feels. Everyone else on thread today is sitting more null until more content is available

i like what santy, jjj, SAR, and Clem have done so far.

SAR , moon , PSV , Mayo

You pull mayo off that list right now

He hasn’t said a single AI thing

Are you seeing a parallel from Mayo's wolfing games to this one? Or is this based on finding something in this game specifically to be questionable?

How often have you played with SAR? It surprises me that you would be sus of Zenge for being lurky on D1 yet claim a meta on SAR.

Agree to disagree.

Off the top of my head I know Zenge was a wolf in BoWWling because I also was, but at this point that was a long time ago.

Is it your experience that mayo would typically demonstrate town indicators by this point?

Get out of my head. I was trying to type something coherent about the same thing

Now I have to side eye that we're mind melded 😤

On the contrary, I actually don't find Zenge wolfy for the vote for me tbh. Seems more like something he does as town.

More village points for PSV

Of the people with enough of a presence on thread to evaluate, I'm trying to decide if I feel worse about Zenge's thought process feeling opportunistic (but may just be that it's different to how I process, which I think happens not infrequently between me and zenge) or about Mayo popping in but not really contributing anything besides his usual **** posting

He has not done a single thing town indicative. I saw your argument but I disagree.

Going to

Yeet Mayo

I need to see more town effort than what he has done so far. He can be a solid villager when he wants but I haven't seen any evidence for that in his posts so far

All my reads are vibes.

I find her less pushy than usual, but I’m not sure yet what that means. Because even as a wolf, she doesn’t tend to coast under the radar.

Are you vibing any particular direction right now?

I think I’m still at the same place with my town list thus far as what I said earlier

Vote mayo

I don’t have a village lean on either Zenge or Mayo right now, but of the two, I think Mayo is more unscrutable.

Aww, I'm honored <3

As someone who has no history vibes on anyone, PSV getting best wolf *and* best noob in 2022 s c a r e s me lol. Vamp has made me laugh the most so I obviously trust them with my life. JJJ is just straight up intimidating, but I respect they want to make it to champs. Unfortunately I may just be bandwagoning this first night just to see how it goes

[5]

That people were surprised when she town read me? Maybe. Her memory of WW is better than mine, but she's not one who usually village reads me D1.

If you mean the part where I've done more village things in past games, sure. I made one joke post and went to bed.

I'm old and even 9 is past my bedtime when I'm working.

V
V
V
V
V

Town
Town
Town
Scum
Scum

Scum
Scum
Town
Scum
Town

Stating the obvious, JJJ is clearly and aggressively town
Santy and SAR appear both have been active and Santy is trying to solve

AM voting on me early because she is frustrated I'm not playing the way she wants me to is very on brand for D1 village AM. I don't think she would try that play as a wolf since she knows I'll call her on it.

PSV and Moon are both village leans right now

Of the votes on me genny feels the most disingenuous. Path of least resistance without having to justify it later. I expect more from Genny

Samac said scum on the list above, but it's more that she feels off. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she is distracted by her monopoly tournament, but she's not her normal aggressive villager yet.

Zenge - the JJJ Zenge interactions actually remind me of how Zenge usually catches an early game wolf by noticing something none of the rest of us have.


The three noobs - Need to see more
Dina - need to see more
Clem - Has never been village to my knowledge. Also need to see more.

I can't recall them posting anything of note, so I defaulted them into town

This is everything the posted. None of it is AI from what I can tell. I don't like sussing people for being busy at work so they get a pass for D1.

I've been on the other end of the pitchforks for the same reason and it stinks.

Village

I thought genny actually felt against census when she entered the thread?

well I hate this

Table 1

Gun to Head Reads in the Student Doctor Network Mafia Championship Practice Game (Season 12), Day 1

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Note. Please let me know if I logged any of your reads incorrectly. I will provide thoughts shortly.

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Corrected

Can you expand upon the intro sus? I dont' think I'm following

Cool. I’m here now.


Village
Village
Wolf
Village
Wolf

Village
Village
Wolf
Wolf
Village

Wolf
Village
Wolf
Village
Village


Wheeeee imma get eaten for that less go

Also

Unvote mayo

Why are all three noobs your wolf reads?

Actually, that's sloppy enough I'm not sure that w!samac would do it

Yeah saw that coming.
AM is a very very low put to the wolf.
The biggest thing is I think people are village reading her too easily. She hasn’t done a single thing out of her wolf range that I’ve seen and hasn’t screamed village at me. I’m uncomfortable with how she’s slipped into everyone’s village core but something feels wrong in my core.

2 things with Madrigal. Firstly it’s out of concern they TMI’d vampyira and they’re working together.
Second is that I haven’t felt any real solving from them which a noobier wolf can flounder around on.

town
town
true null (fight me)
town
town

self
town
town
town
scum

yeet KJQ

Genny is an interesting choice given she said she likely won’t be back this cycle. Why?

Town
Town
Town
Scum
Town

I agree and thus the null is currently holding.

Are you calling the noob wolfy too sir

Mayos village.
It’s not just this poem but that’s just the final nail in the village coffin.

Ya know. I don’t think this is wolf zenge.
I was thinking he was white knighting me earlier and a little skeeved out, but this a little bit irritated obstinate play isn’t very wolf zenge like.

He doesn’t like failing his pack.
And if he was truly a wolf going down unless he’s exactly the vigilante I think he would have held on the vanilla claim for longer and not just outed that out of frustration. He likely would have claimed a PR to try and force a counter claim.

I don’t think this is wolf zenge. I think this is frustrated village zenge.

It makes me feel like that was the outcome of the GTH exercise when I did it. I can't answer your second question because, quite frankly, I have no idea what affiliation anyone else is. I'm playing it based on my thoughts and feelings, not perceptions of town vs mafia control.

I am saying I believe wolfchat is necessary for his point to be believable. And yes, I am still village reading him.

View attachment 402712

Updated.

Thoughts:

~ In the past, when I have done this before new audiences, a continuing trend has been giving more town reads correlates with mafia alignment. That can be taken with a grain of salt here since it's not entirely "new". SDN has seen me do this before, albeit only once or twice. If that is meaningful this time, PSV is the standout.

I think "number of town reads" is less interesting, however, and "is the player operating like the game is in a state reflective of their reads?" is more interesting. In that way I do question PSV a bit. I'm not sure her play to this point necessarily aligns with someone who is as comfortable as "11 town reads and 2 wolf reads" would suggest. She is almost forced by default to include her null read, KJQ, as a wolf just to fill the box. So that's something.

~ Let me be very clear that this information should not be interpreted as immediate guidance about who should be voted out by "consensus". I don't care if someone on this chart got 0 town reads and 12 mafia reads. We must remain nuanced and thorough.

~ The names colored blue arrived after the initial exercise and after my first chart. That likely introduces bias for all of them, and I think that may be most applicable to their mayo reads, for example. Take their reads with slightly more grains of salt.

~ AM could also be called "unaligned" between her approach to the game and her reads here. She is playing with a sort of comfort and confidence, but her reads here suggest chaos and distrust. She should speak about that.

~ This information may have limited value right now. Keep it in mind for later, particularly when a mafia member flips.

Okay.
Walk me through how you are feeling on sar then? Explain those feelings to me.

You gotta give some time for people to get their footings in a new environment.

Your bloodlust is wild tbh. Don’t satiate pls. You gotta let it roll and see what happens

I am not entertaining this line of questioning because it's not what I did. I gave the first one that came to mind, which was my first wolf game. Painting it as me intentionally giving a bad example of his wolfplay is disingenuous. I think it is fair for Zenge to say because he is the one involved. I do not think it's fair for someone else to say.

but
What they doin
Explain it to me

@holdthemayo gonna keep your vote on AM?

Village

AM
SAR
JJJ
PSV
Moon
Mayo

Village Lean

samac
Dinashadow
madrigal01

Upper PoE

Clem
KayJayQueue

Bottom PoE

Vampyrica
genny
Zenge142

I GOT PERMISSION

UNYEET KAYJ
YEET VAMP

No, I want to, but she's obviously village

Where ya gonna move? We have an hour and 20 I want serious votes on the board pls.

Wat
I moved off the top wagon to vote you.
You think that’s wolfy behavior?

Vamp and Kay tbh but that feels ****ty

I was on a different newcomer wagon before I came onto your vote. I can’t help it I’m suspicious of what I don’t know.
I’m going to pivot this from a back and forth though to something useful.
Who do you trust the most? Why?

I don't think Zenge and Samac could be w/w based on interactions.

Going with my gut

Yeet Zenge

I meant my post about wolf zenge not coming out as vanilla this early and kind of feeling like a throwing things down give up post.

@potentialsheltervet just curious how has your read evolved on me now that I’m live and in action on thread if at all?

5 way tie - nobody move unless it's to make a 6 way tie

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - SAR, genny
Zenge (2) - moon, mayo
samac (2) - PSV, vampyrica
Santy (1) - Zenge
KayJayQueue (2) - Clem, AM
genny (3) - JJJ, Santy, madrigal

Not voting: @Dinashadow @KayJayQueue @samac
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 57 minutes remain.

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I’m feeling kind of frozen tbh

KAYJ isn’t going to give us a lot of information, but I am comfortable with that vote.
I don’t think it’s zenge.
Genny isn’t here and she is such an easy wagon.
I dont think it’s santy or mayo.
And I’m the other wagon.
And of the other folks left I don’t know I have enough of a hunch to lead a new crusade.
Bleh.

yeet KAYJ

like, why you dismiss genny wagon for reasons that also apply for the person you are voting??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I don’t like voting genny because she’s an easy wagon that is often a misyeet.
I don’t like the only thing KayJ has done has been to say ims sorry I’m busy so I’m comfortable with that vote. But it’s not the most useful vote as far as flip telling us anything.

Okay my tiny terrorist has finally decided to go to sleep. Gonna be honest that I really lightly skimmed a bunch of pages to try and get caught up because I find I can make reads better in real time but it's also playoffs time so I'm just a bit distracted 😤

@JaggedJimmyJay would it still be useful to do the GTH exercise? Obviously now with all the other answers and your interpretation already posted, it's not exactly gonna be viewed as pure data, even if I did only skim the last 5 pages 😂

It’s the easy wagon part. I’ve seen genny be flash wagons numerous times to a village misyeet.

Why is Clem village?

Not trying to start a new wagon, but like, why?

okay, but KJQ is even more easy to wagon here dont you think? Yet you are mentioning the part about being low info.

like, what makes wagoning KJQ harder here?? If anything I'd say wagoning KJQ is harder than wagoning genny here, since genny is a regular while KJQ is not and no one really can rely on meta to have any sort of read.. excluding jay

I don't like the KJQ vote today. They haven't done anything at all.

I just don't see it on D1

Probably it’s my own bias of knowing how often it happens to genny and how many times it’s failed us before but not having that same piece of info with KayJ. The difference being is I have actively disliked KayJ’s minimal contributions and genny has actually done and said things that I don’t find particularly AI at this point. Does that make sense?

Kindof making my point. Pick on the noobs then... ????

I have also never village read Clem, so more trying to understand than accuse

I think that’s fair and I am agreeing with you that you’re right. My own bias is probably playing a roll here. Unsure what to do what that now.

I do think it’s a bad strat just to just pick from all the people actively here though when about half the game isn’t lol

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - SAR, genny
Zenge (2) - moon, mayo
samac (1) - PSV
KayJayQueue (3) - Clem, AM, samac
genny (3) - JJJ, Santy, madrigal

Not voting: @Dinashadow @KayJayQueue @vampyrica @Zenge142
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 46 minutes remain.

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I think I kinda wanna yeet PSV I wish she’d come back

I need to read through her posts again

@JaggedJimmyJay GTH reads, in roster order because that was easier to find. And likely still biased from thread state earlier today due to my skim read being superficial at best

1. Animal Midwife - town?
2. JaggedJimmyJay - town
3. genny - scum
4. Clem J - scum
5. holdthemayo - scum
6. Dinashadow - town?
7. Zenge142 - scum
8. KayJayQueue - town
9. potentialsheltervet - town
10. Santygrass - town
11. moonstermash - town?
12. vampyrica - scum
13. madrigal01 - town
14. SARdoghandler - town
15. samac - town

?s are for weaker reads, but committed due to the GTH of the exercise. Moonster has slipped a little from my early D1 more town read

Yeah, but you don't only punch down

Also, does he have more content than any of the noobs?

You’re right. That was quick.
It was a lot of back and forth about the bowling thing, a vote on me and calling my posts eh and that’s about it.

I dislike this a lot tbh.

I said as much in my dialogue with AM.

Aye, I feel you're more villagey.

The good news is I feel there’s a lot of discourse on everybody and that means one of these folks were talking about is likely wolfy.

I really do feel PSV is within her village play here. And I say that as a chronic PSV tunneller.

If you must know, I was feeding my dogs. Then I was in the shower.
I might even make dinner, if that's alright.

Yeah I kinda agree and feel like yeeting someone D1 for inactivity is more often a miss than a hit.

Aye, what if
Unvote samac
Vote JJJ

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (2) - SAR, genny
Zenge (2) - moon, mayo
KayJayQueue (4) - Clem, AM, samac, Dina
genny (3) - JJJ, Santy, madrigal
Jay (1) - PSV

Not voting: @KayJayQueue @vampyrica @Zenge142
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 35 minutes remain.

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Honestly it was kind of selfish on my part. I was afraid her disappearance was wolfy in nature.
I’ve been thinking about her a lot
She’s very good at reading me.
My play from when I was busy absolutely was extra ****, I understood the vote. I did not understand no progression either direction on me.
On top of that she knows that her wolf reading me usually causes me to village read her because I don’t think wolf PSV would push me.
But she knows that at this point and I feel like it’s not helpful anymore.
BUT PSV evolving to village on me feels like if she was a wolf going to wolf read me she’d stick to it more while there’s still some discourse around my slot.
I got what I was hoping for which I think would be more in line with village PSV

I feel like I’m talking in circles. Hope that made sense. I’m tired.

I don't think anything is outside her wolf range. She's a good player.

But her approach and her tone have felt very pure to me. Her lack of jumping onto people who are sussing her feels very village aligned

Let me present the thread state.
Jay: this player feels towny. I'm super open to considering another possibility.
also Jay: I shall designate this player green
Jay, later: yes, you guys are right. Maybe we SHOULD vote there.
Examples: genny, vamp, KJQ, Zenge, myself.

So let me ask this, Jay. You have consistently argued for a strong town core. Why, then, are you nodding and agreeing with every possible yeet?

I agree with you in that instance.
It also doesn’t make sense to me If PSV is a wolf to push an entirely new wagon at this point if it wasn’t exactly genny/KayJ/her.
I like the events.
Feels good.

I don't hate a genny yet because I haven't felt the genny way. But I do kinda hate it on D1 for reasons already long stated

And, how many games have we played together?

You and samac already pushed me out of your wussy.

Do you recall how in StardeWW 2 you repeatedly brought up my reading of you in Kirby in order to flatter and pocket me?

Explain please?

I feel like now I need to leave a potential legacy list but I feel so misguided I don’t want to leave a legacy list due and everything be ****ed

Is town being encouraged to collaborate or combust?

I'm not loving my mayo vote with current thread state but also don't live the two leading wagons

Unyeet mayo
Yeet zenge?

I don't feel KayJay's posts were wolfy as compared to legit busy and I don't love a D1 genny as previously stated

1. @Animal Midwife - village lean
2. @JaggedJimmyJay - neutral
3. @genny - scum potential
4. @Clem J - scum potential
5. @holdthemayo - village
6. @Dinashadow - village lean
7. @Zenge142 - village
8. @KayJayQueue - scum
9. @potentialsheltervet - village lean
10. @Santygrass - village
11. @moonstermash - scum lean
12. @vampyrica - scum lean
13. @madrigal01 - neutral
14. @SARdoghandler - village
15. @samac - me!

Yeah
good enough

@Santygrass you’re more likely N1 potential than me. Can you do the same please?

Why Zenge?
And can you please answer approximately how many games we've played together?

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (1) - genny
Zenge (3) - moon, mayo, SAR
KayJayQueue (4) - Clem, AM, samac, Dina
genny (3) - JJJ, Santy, madrigal
Jay (1) - PSV

Not voting: @KayJayQueue @vampyrica @Zenge142
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 19 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
- We are not going to include post counts here because we know we won't keep up with them, but DubZ did add the information about how to find your own post count to the FAQ section of the opening post

- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

Can you elaborate on Zenges a little?

I think this KJQ wagon is bad. If they are mafia, there's also sad little to peruse for thread analysis with interactions because they have none. I mislike it.

Zenge because I haven't seen anything that's screaming village but I feel he's well within his usual sneaky wolf range.

And lol no I have no clue. Somewhere between 3 and 39 probably.

I mean to play devils advocate you’re leaning hard on genny/KJQ being scum for that logic. Could also be a V/V wagon and wolf PSV wanting to stir chaos.

I don’t think that’s the case and I’m village reading her but just wanted to make sure you didn’t lock into that being your only logic for a village read

I'm curious what made you describe yourself as a chronic tunneller of me when, to my memory, we have not played enough games together to establish tunnelling chronicity. An acute tunneller, perhaps.

I think it’s fair. I don’t know what to do though. I feel the freeze

I don't feel particularly good about it, tbh. But I also wanted to see who reacted when I did it

@Zenge142 - If you are village, it would be nice to know where you are voting/what you are thinking

If you are scum, then feel free to hold the vote till the last minute

Let's talk about your vote on KJQ.

Day 1 A Predicament Near Palett Town Vote Tally

mayo (1) - genny
Zenge (3) - moon, mayo, SAR
KayJayQueue (3) - Clem, samac, Dina
genny (3) - JJJ, Santy, madrigal
Jay (1) - PSV
moonster (1) - Zenge
PSV (1) - AM

Spicy
Not voting: @KayJayQueue @vampyrica
Day 1 ends 9pm EDT on Sunday, April 27th. 10 minutes remain.

Mod Notes:
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- Please continue to record your votes in-thread as well as in the shiny new thread poll

You can always just go off wagon!

Talk to me more about this. Something made me shuffle her lower on my village leans pile when I was slimming but I'm struggling to find it again on mobile

How confident are you in this read?

Unyeet Zenge
Yeet clem

I feel better about the Zenge situation now and don't want to risk pushing him into the tie, but that moon wagon happened fast and I'm not sure about it

****

I’m debating on changing
Idkqndeulqnfeywkjdrbydkendbehhffbossg

EOD flashwagons usually end in mafia's favor. Smh

if genny was village, thats such an easy vote for a wolf to make. Yet noooooone voted for her unless you think the wolf is between jay and madrigal, which I dont. Genny is just a wolf

unyeet moon
Yeet genny

I hate this

If it comes down to it moon is more likely town than genny

GENNY IS DEAD

GENNY WAS MAFIA
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Not everything quoted is bad necessarily, just interesting or possibly noteworthy based on alignment.

 

[KayJayQueue]

To say samac’s day 1 is not good is me being nice.

PSV / SAR D1 votes make nearly no sense as part of a genny/mayo team.

This is annoying lol

 

[samac]

maybe I am just starting to come around to a world where it's madrigal and genny/mayo set her up D1 to ride the seas of a bus

The shocked face with no response just feeds into my paranoia tbh

 

[samac]

I am trying so hard to pay attention at work but keep refreshing the thread hoping someone has an aha moment lol

 

[KayJayQueue]

Spoiler: Vig-related posts

1. A doctor has been successful
2. genny was mafia vig
3. Mafia vig has holstered shot

I dunno about SDN's vigilante tendencies, but usually that thing's getting shot at the first opportunity. So seems to favor 1 or 2.

Most common to fire off asap here.
The only thing I can see for holstering is mayo is not the vig and they knew they’d keep the shot for tonight and wanted to use a different power?

I don’t know anything other than santy must have been strongarmed on N1.

For the rest, I’m trying to figure out a pretty bold fake claim.

That scenario at least makes sense to me.

PSV Day 2

Possible mayo defense if mayo is wolf. Had unpaired mayo and genny, read mayo has town and continnued wiht that after Zenge's claim. The caveat to that is I had also been consistently readiny mayo as village and had the same thought process.
The only thing I don't like she did was put a vote on mayo when she was mulling over the stuff with zenge, but it felt like it could be real thought process progression such as:
Mayo village -> Zenge made claim -> oh no what if claim real -> wait don't think claim real. I get it. I was also considering switching to mayo and did not due to the thought process she laid out on thread.

There isn't anything particularly in interactions with Dina to make me feel anything.

I still think the vig died on D1.

i agree it’s a highly likely possibility.

I don’t think anyone else should comment on their opinion re: vig for reasons. It’s not helpful to town today.

There’s just a weird feeling in the pit of my gut that makes me nervous about the game.
I don’t have a good reason why, we’ve only had one misyeet, likely got the vig (or N2 heal was successful, either way shot gone), still have a doc who can act tonight. We’re in relatively good shape.
But something is nagging me. And I can’t even put a finger on it. Bleh.

Well at least I don’t have to be paranoid about JJJ anymore. But that’s really unfortunate. I wonder if it’s at all possible he saved someone N2 and genny wasn’t vig. His ISO is daunting though to look for crumbs on who he might’ve protected. And with no way to know for sure, it’s probably a fool’s errand.

It's not. We killed the vig and then the strongman.

How do we know that? Did I miss something? I know mayo was strongman but how do we know the last scum isn’t vig that shot n2? Am I just overthinking? I don’t think it really matters to our solving but I guess I don’t know how it’s a definite from your pov. I’m trying to go over everything and I’m blanking on what I’m forgetting.

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I have never been more certain on anything in my life.

I KNOW it to be true.

Would explain why mayo didn't bus genny, I guess?

And, more importantly, why genny bussed mayo.

Need to buy time and I was already on him anyway.

For the last time, you don't need to know who the doctors are to figure out this simple mechanic. I know you didn't read D1, but I played it, which is why it's so obvious to me

See above.

Ask what exactly? "Hey mad, are you the even doctor?

I just want to double check because KJQ says I'm wrong about everything and can't possibly know anything about mechanics. Maybe my familiarity with the player list is just an optical illusion and the vig will shoot tomorrow."

It's because you're wasting my posts.

Post-game, you'll see I was right and you'll remember that for the future before you call something I do "odd" ever again.

I didn't get lucky. You just misread the mechanics.

Watch them still have a vig shot and tomorrow be F4 instead lol

 

[supershorty]

I am trying so hard to pay attention at work but keep refreshing the thread hoping someone has an aha moment lol

It took all of my self control to not immediately reply to this with AHA and I hope you can appreciate that.

 

[supershorty]

I did actually have an aha! moment this morning, but it was related to my unrelenting exhaustion and lack of motivation to do the things I enjoy potentially being depression-related instead of that I'm not getting adequate amounts of sleep.

But that is probably not the aha! moment you're looking for.